kryptoknightmare: The Netflix Daredevil show is my favorite superhero show ever. It's incredible. The internet (myself included) campaigned to bring THAT show back. All signs indicate that the show they're planning is going to be a new thing, and considering the track record of the Disney+ era of Marvel shows, it will probably be a limp, embarrassing failure. It seems doubtful that they're even going to bring back the rest of the (terrific) cast.

I anticipate more silly quips, more bad writing, more of the ghastly yellow suit, and boring and ugly CGI action sequences. I hope to be proven wrong

kryptoknightmare: WhippingBoi: kryptoknightmare: The Netflix Daredevil show is my favorite superhero show ever. It's incredible. The internet (myself included) campaigned to bring THAT show back. All signs indicate that the show they're planning is going to be a new thing, and considering the track record of the Disney+ era of Marvel shows, it will probably be a limp, embarrassing failure. It seems doubtful that they're even going to bring back the rest of the (terrific) cast.

I anticipate more silly quips, more bad writing, more of the ghastly yellow suit, and boring and ugly CGI action sequences. I hope to be proven wrong

I've been a huge DD fan since #158.

When they announced that the new series was going to be called "Born Again", my heart skipped a beat with joy. Then I realized who was going to be producing it.

I hope you're completely wrong in your predictions, but sadly, I think you nailed it.

Born Again is such a clever title (considering the situation) that they couldn't pass up using it, but the Netflix show already took inspiration from so many elements of that storyline that there's essentially no more meat left on the bone.

clkeagle: Night Train to Wakanda: clkeagle: I liked the less broody version of him in Spider-Man and She-Hulk. The grimdark version from Netflix is a bit played out at this point. DC can keep wallowing in that sort of characterization.

Keep the same fight choreographer though. For the love of all that is good and entertaining in this world... Keep the Netflix fight choreographer.

If you don't like daredevil just say so. Don't justify why you don't like the character.

I just said that I liked the version in Spider-Man and She-Hulk. Was that somehow unclear?

clkeagle: WhippingBoi: clkeagle: Night Train to Wakanda: clkeagle: I liked the less broody version of him in Spider-Man and She-Hulk. The grimdark version from Netflix is a bit played out at this point. DC can keep wallowing in that sort of characterization.

Keep the same fight choreographer though. For the love of all that is good and entertaining in this world... Keep the Netflix fight choreographer.

If you don't like daredevil just say so. Don't justify why you don't like the character.

I just said that I liked the version in Spider-Man and She-Hulk. Was that somehow unclear?

So you don't like Daredevil. But you repeat yourself.

Am I missing something here? Was the character in Spider-Man and She-Hulk supposed to be someone else?

clkeagle: WhippingBoi: clkeagle: WhippingBoi: clkeagle: Night Train to Wakanda: clkeagle: I liked the less broody version of him in Spider-Man and She-Hulk. The grimdark version from Netflix is a bit played out at this point. DC can keep wallowing in that sort of characterization.

Keep the same fight choreographer though. For the love of all that is good and entertaining in this world... Keep the Netflix fight choreographer.

If you don't like daredevil just say so. Don't justify why you don't like the character.

I just said that I liked the version in Spider-Man and She-Hulk. Was that somehow unclear?

So you don't like Daredevil. But you repeat yourself.

Am I missing something here? Was the character in Spider-Man and She-Hulk supposed to be someone else?

Daredevil wasn't in Spider-Man. Matt Murdoch was. And his character was completely in line with Matt Murdoch.

And I must confess I haven't seen a single episode of She-Hulk, but I have read descriptions of the "Daredevil" character. And based on this, yes, the "She-Hulk" Daredevil was indeed supposed to be someone else: a pale shadow of a great character, "re-imagined" through the eyes of some useless chud completely indifferent to that character.

Okay, so you're biatching about something you haven't even watched. Plus, it's their movie and TV universe. Don't they get to decide who their character is? Or is it a "pale shadow" without Petrie and Goddard dictating the storylines? I mean were pretty good--Netflix Daredevil did remind me a lot of their work on Buffy and Angel.

Oh, is this some kind of weird gatekeeping thing connected to the source comics? If so, specifically which of the twenty-plus writers in Daredevil's history (not even counting the crossover or alt-universe writers) made the "great  character?" The one you haven't even watched is a "pale shadow" of?

Don't they get to decide who their character is?

clkeagle: So one writer--specifically the one known as the king of grimdark--is the stick by which you measure all other writers' characterizations?

clkeagle: WhippingBoi: Moon Knight was pretty cool
Completely disagree. Moon Knight was a disgusting abomination that completely disrespected the core characterization of Moon Knight (as developed by Moench/Sienkiewicz).

I wouldn't know. I've never turned a single page of a Moon Knight comic. The only reason I knew he existed was from the 1991 Marvel trading cards. Having nothing to compare it to, I really enjoyed it.

WhippingBoi: Yes, I understand this. You'll never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator. The ironic thing is, they were much more popular (and lucrative) when they appealed to the 1% of the comic readers. It doesn't mean I have to like it, however, or that I'm an "incel" because I'm critical of it.

I never called you an incel. I'm just encouraging you to like or dislike things based on nothing but their own merits. You'll experience an awful lot of disappointment if you automatically dislike an adaptation because it wasn't a 99.999% faithful adaptation of whatever specific writer's run of whatever specific comic appealed to you. Because let's be honest... that will never happen. I could spend hours pointing out the differences between the Netflix and the Miller versions of Daredevil, but it's not needed because it's not supposed to be a 100% faithful adaptation. Comics are comics. Screen is screen. No comic will adapt at the level of faithfulness a subset of fans seem to demand.

Even DC's animated films like Under The Red Hood end up straying from their source material--and some of them are as direct an adaptation as you'll ever find.