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ProfessorTomoe
2022-10-20 8:39:51 PM  
Ordered a bag of the Utz Salt 'n Vinegar chips. I've gotta try them for myself.
 
flucto
2022-10-20 9:52:00 PM  
PIss and Vinegar is the best.
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-20 10:43:52 PM  
Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.
 
brap [TotalFark]
2022-10-20 10:49:16 PM  
My kid freaking loves those UTZ salt and vinegar chips, which is weird because she seems to find mayonnaise to be too spicy.

I blame the Irish.
 
drjekel_mrhyde
2022-10-21 12:06:27 AM  
It's salt and sour, no matter what you East Coast farks say.
 
Moose out front
2022-10-21 12:20:28 AM  
I despise vinegar. Rules out these chips obviously, but also rules out about 99.9999999% of salad dressings. I can do blue cheese, French, ranch, and Caesar and that's about it. After that, there's walls full of thousands of salad dressings that are "something-something-vinaigrette." All no go's.
 
Some Junkie Cosmonaut [BareFark]
2022-10-21 12:36:27 AM  
It's about as universal as cilantro - some people like the combination, some don't.  Like literally every other food in existence.  How shocking
 
Redh8t [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-21 12:52:17 AM  

fragMasterFlash: Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.


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/not wearing pants
 
Some Junkie Cosmonaut [BareFark]
2022-10-21 1:02:36 AM  

Redh8t: fragMasterFlash: Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.

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My first thought was, "And you know how fruit fly poop tastes how?"  Then I realized that was a question I did not want the answer to, so I didn't type that
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-21 1:06:46 AM  

Redh8t: fragMasterFlash: Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.

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The more you know about the origins of acetobacter the less you enjoy the flavor of vinegar.
 
olrasputin
2022-10-21 1:07:05 AM  
Hmm. I need to order some Utz, apparently. All the stores around me have Kettle brand, which I like quite a bit. But more vinegar is always better.

Hell, I have a batch of prik nam som (literally just thin-sliced Thai chilis in vinegar) on hand as a condiment for fried rice noodle dishes. So good for offsetting the sweetness of pad see ew.
 
olrasputin
2022-10-21 1:17:49 AM  

fragMasterFlash: Redh8t: fragMasterFlash: Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.

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The more you know about the origins of acetobacter the less you enjoy the flavor of vinegar.


I mean, I guess you enjoy it less. I've brewed enough beer to be desensitized to damn near anything along those lines. Right bug/yeast for the job at hand, and all that.

Also, A. aceti isn't the critter they're talking about with regards to fruit fly symbiosis.

/clears throat

It is a benign microorganism which is present everywhere in the environment, existing in alcoholic ecological niches which include flowers, fruits, and honey bees, as well as in water and soil. It lives wherever sugar fermentation occurs.
 
olrasputin
2022-10-21 1:24:26 AM  

Redh8t: fragMasterFlash: Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.

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So we have a vinegar thread where Jeff Goldblum gets mentioned. I feel obligated to post a 'vinegar strokes' gif.

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Redh8t [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-21 2:11:55 AM  

fragMasterFlash: Redh8t: fragMasterFlash: Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.

[Fark user image 425x223]

The more you know about the origins of acetobacter the less you enjoy the flavor of vinegar.


Fascinating!
I had a limited understanding of how important fruit flys were to science.
Did you know, five Nobel prizes have been awarded for research and experiments utilizing them?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila_melanogaster

Honestly, I've got no problem with fruit fly ass juice.
But thank you, I have a new appreciation for the little f*ckers.
 
rosekolodny [recently expired TotalFark]
2022-10-21 2:17:10 AM  

fragMasterFlash: Redh8t: fragMasterFlash: Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.

[Fark user image 425x223]

The more you know about the origins of acetobacter the less you enjoy the flavor of vinegar.


Do you dislike alcohol because it was made by yeast? Sauerkraut and pickles and yogurt and cheese because they were made by lactobacillus? Sourdough bread because it was made by both?

We've been making and preserving food through creative microbiology for 10,000 years at least.
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-21 3:09:15 AM  

rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: Redh8t: fragMasterFlash: Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.

[Fark user image 425x223]

The more you know about the origins of acetobacter the less you enjoy the flavor of vinegar.

Do you dislike alcohol because it was made by yeast? Sauerkraut and pickles and yogurt and cheese because they were made by lactobacillus? Sourdough bread because it was made by both?

We've been making and preserving food through creative microbiology for 10,000 years at least.


Its all fun and games until the wine you were counting on as your only safe potable beverage for an entire year turns to vinegar. But obviously the dread of giardia or dysentery only serves to strengthen the herd, right hombre?
 
Some Junkie Cosmonaut [BareFark]
2022-10-21 3:14:39 AM  

fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: Redh8t: fragMasterFlash: Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.

[Fark user image 425x223]

The more you know about the origins of acetobacter the less you enjoy the flavor of vinegar.

Do you dislike alcohol because it was made by yeast? Sauerkraut and pickles and yogurt and cheese because they were made by lactobacillus? Sourdough bread because it was made by both?

We've been making and preserving food through creative microbiology for 10,000 years at least.

Its all fun and games until the wine you were counting on as your only safe potable beverage for an entire year turns to vinegar. But obviously the dread of giardia or dysentery only serves to strengthen the herd, right hombre?


Then you make a nice vinagrette, and make cheapass small beer to drink - which damn near anyone can with minimal work and facilities
 
rosekolodny [recently expired TotalFark]
2022-10-21 3:25:54 AM  

fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: Redh8t: fragMasterFlash: Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.

[Fark user image 425x223]

The more you know about the origins of acetobacter the less you enjoy the flavor of vinegar.

Do you dislike alcohol because it was made by yeast? Sauerkraut and pickles and yogurt and cheese because they were made by lactobacillus? Sourdough bread because it was made by both?

We've been making and preserving food through creative microbiology for 10,000 years at least.

Its all fun and games until the wine you were counting on as your only safe potable beverage for an entire year turns to vinegar. But obviously the dread of giardia or dysentery only serves to strengthen the herd, right hombre?


Eh.  You use the vinegar to preserve your veggies, and make small beer for daily drinking.
 
rosekolodny [recently expired TotalFark]
2022-10-21 3:31:52 AM  
Also, Kombucha.

Kombucha is fermented by yeast, lactobacillus, and acetobacter.  Not only drinkable, but delicious.

Hell, the tea for kombucha is fermented by molds (Aspergillus spp. if wikipedia is to be believed).
 
Some Junkie Cosmonaut [BareFark]
2022-10-21 3:36:12 AM  

rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: Redh8t: fragMasterFlash: Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.

[Fark user image 425x223]

The more you know about the origins of acetobacter the less you enjoy the flavor of vinegar.

Do you dislike alcohol because it was made by yeast? Sauerkraut and pickles and yogurt and cheese because they were made by lactobacillus? Sourdough bread because it was made by both?

We've been making and preserving food through creative microbiology for 10,000 years at least.

Its all fun and games until the wine you were counting on as your only safe potable beverage for an entire year turns to vinegar. But obviously the dread of giardia or dysentery only serves to strengthen the herd, right hombre?

Eh.  You use the vinegar to preserve your veggies, and make small beer for daily drinking.


As long as you save some for my vinaigrette ;p
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-21 3:41:50 AM  

rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: Redh8t: fragMasterFlash: Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.

[Fark user image 425x223]

The more you know about the origins of acetobacter the less you enjoy the flavor of vinegar.

Do you dislike alcohol because it was made by yeast? Sauerkraut and pickles and yogurt and cheese because they were made by lactobacillus? Sourdough bread because it was made by both?

We've been making and preserving food through creative microbiology for 10,000 years at least.

Its all fun and games until the wine you were counting on as your only safe potable beverage for an entire year turns to vinegar. But obviously the dread of giardia or dysentery only serves to strengthen the herd, right hombre?

Eh.  You use the vinegar to preserve your veggies, and make small beer for daily drinking.


Growing grain, sorghum or gourds to ferment requires orders of magnitude more water than grape vines that can subsist on the hydration of morning mist alone. Beer is the currency of civilization, wine consumption is much more suitable for nomadic people, which is how humanity managed to spread far and wide enough to begin making beer in the first place, and many of those people died along the way when a given years batch of wine went "sour".
 
rosekolodny [recently expired TotalFark]
2022-10-21 3:50:21 AM  

fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: Redh8t: fragMasterFlash: Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.

[Fark user image 425x223]

The more you know about the origins of acetobacter the less you enjoy the flavor of vinegar.

Do you dislike alcohol because it was made by yeast? Sauerkraut and pickles and yogurt and cheese because they were made by lactobacillus? Sourdough bread because it was made by both?

We've been making and preserving food through creative microbiology for 10,000 years at least.

Its all fun and games until the wine you were counting on as your only safe potable beverage for an entire year turns to vinegar. But obviously the dread of giardia or dysentery only serves to strengthen the herd, right hombre?

Eh.  You use the vinegar to preserve your veggies, and make small beer for daily drinking.

Growing grain, sorghum or gourds to ferment requires orders of magnitude more water than grape vines that can subsist on the hydration of morning mist alone. Beer is the currency of civilization, wine consumption is much more suitable for nomadic people, which is how humanity managed to spread far and wide enough to begin making beer in the first place, and many of those people died along the way when a given years batch of wine went "sour".


Cool. Today you and I are anthropologists, and I can't wait to read the citations you have for this one.

Mind you, one of my degrees is anthropology, so I will actually enjoy reading them if they are reputable sources.
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-21 3:58:30 AM  

rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: Redh8t: fragMasterFlash: Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.

[Fark user image 425x223]

The more you know about the origins of acetobacter the less you enjoy the flavor of vinegar.

Do you dislike alcohol because it was made by yeast? Sauerkraut and pickles and yogurt and cheese because they were made by lactobacillus? Sourdough bread because it was made by both?

We've been making and preserving food through creative microbiology for 10,000 years at least.

Its all fun and games until the wine you were counting on as your only safe potable beverage for an entire year turns to vinegar. But obviously the dread of giardia or dysentery only serves to strengthen the herd, right hombre?

Eh.  You use the vinegar to preserve your veggies, and make small beer for daily drinking.

Growing grain, sorghum or gourds to ferment requires orders of magnitude more water than grape vines that can subsist on the hydration of morning mist alone. Beer is the currency of civilization, wine consumption is much more suitable for nomadic people, which is how humanity managed to spread far and wide enough to begin making beer in the first place, and many of those people died along the way when a given years batch of wine went "sour".

Cool. Today you and I are anthropologists, and I can't wait to read the citations you have for this one.

Mind you, one of my degrees is anthropology, so I will actually enjoy reading them if they are reputable sources.


HINT 1: Amphora is more than just a shop at the mall where you shopped during the 1990s.
 
rosekolodny [recently expired TotalFark]
2022-10-21 4:04:26 AM  

fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: Redh8t: fragMasterFlash: Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.

[Fark user image 425x223]

The more you know about the origins of acetobacter the less you enjoy the flavor of vinegar.

Do you dislike alcohol because it was made by yeast? Sauerkraut and pickles and yogurt and cheese because they were made by lactobacillus? Sourdough bread because it was made by both?

We've been making and preserving food through creative microbiology for 10,000 years at least.

Its all fun and games until the wine you were counting on as your only safe potable beverage for an entire year turns to vinegar. But obviously the dread of giardia or dysentery only serves to strengthen the herd, right hombre?

Eh.  You use the vinegar to preserve your veggies, and make small beer for daily drinking.

Growing grain, sorghum or gourds to ferment requires orders of magnitude more water than grape vines that can subsist on the hydration of morning mist alone. Beer is the currency of civilization, wine consumption is much more suitable for nomadic people, which is how humanity managed to spread far and wide enough to begin making beer in the first place, and many of those people died along the way when a given years batch of wine went "sour".

Cool. Today you and I are anthropologists, and I can't wait to read the citations you have for this one.

Mind you, one of my degrees is anthropology, so I will actually enjoy reading them if they are reputable sources.

HINT 1: Amphora is more than just a shop at the mall where you shopped during the 1990s.


I see.  You want to say stuff but not back it up.  Okay, I guess.  It's 1am here so it's probably even later wherever you are.

I was looking forward to reading your source materials.
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-21 4:43:54 AM  

rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: Redh8t: fragMasterFlash: Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.

[Fark user image 425x223]

The more you know about the origins of acetobacter the less you enjoy the flavor of vinegar.

Do you dislike alcohol because it was made by yeast? Sauerkraut and pickles and yogurt and cheese because they were made by lactobacillus? Sourdough bread because it was made by both?

We've been making and preserving food through creative microbiology for 10,000 years at least.

Its all fun and games until the wine you were counting on as your only safe potable beverage for an entire year turns to vinegar. But obviously the dread of giardia or dysentery only serves to strengthen the herd, right hombre?

Eh.  You use the vinegar to preserve your veggies, and make small beer for daily drinking.

Growing grain, sorghum or gourds to ferment requires orders of magnitude more water than grape vines that can subsist on the hydration of morning mist alone. Beer is the currency of civilization, wine consumption is much more suitable for nomadic people, which is how humanity managed to spread far and wide enough to begin making beer in the first place, and many of those people died along the way when a given years batch of wine went "sour".

Cool. Today you and I are anthropologists, and I can't wait to read the citations you have for this one.

Mind you, one of my degrees is anthropology, so I will actually enjoy reading them if they are reputable sources.

HINT 1: Amphora is more than just a shop at the mall where you shopped during the 1990s.

I see.  You want to say stuff but not back it up.  Okay, I guess.  It's 1am here so it's probabl ...


Unfortunately making wine in amphora is experiencing a bit of a renaissance so I find it difficult to find an authoritative source publicly available that shows the spread of ancient amphora shards with wine produced in what is today Iraq across what became the silk road, but back when I first went down the road of investigating old world wine (predating religious control of who could consume it and who was allowed to produce it) are now buried under far too many box wino blogs. Speaking of which, I shall toast you as I enjoy a nightcap. Good night and thank you for keeping me as honest as this old vagabond can be. Cheers.
 
Redh8t [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-21 5:14:11 AM  

fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: Redh8t: fragMasterFlash: Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.

[Fark user image 425x223]

The more you know about the origins of acetobacter the less you enjoy the flavor of vinegar.

Do you dislike alcohol because it was made by yeast? Sauerkraut and pickles and yogurt and cheese because they were made by lactobacillus? Sourdough bread because it was made by both?

We've been making and preserving food through creative microbiology for 10,000 years at least.

Its all fun and games until the wine you were counting on as your only safe potable beverage for an entire year turns to vinegar. But obviously the dread of giardia or dysentery only serves to strengthen the herd, right hombre?

Eh.  You use the vinegar to preserve your veggies, and make small beer for daily drinking.

Growing grain, sorghum or gourds to ferment requires orders of magnitude more water than grape vines that can subsist on the hydration of morning mist alone. Beer is the currency of civilization, wine consumption is much more suitable for nomadic people, which is how humanity managed to spread far and wide enough to begin making beer in the first place, and many of those people died along the way when a given years batch of wine went "sour".

Cool. Today you and I are anthropologists, and I can't wait to read the citations you have for this one.

Mind you, one of my degrees is anthropology, so I will actually enjoy reading them if they are reputable sources.

HINT 1: Amphora is more than just a shop at the mall where you shopped during the 1990s.

I see.  You want to say stuff but not back it up.  Okay, I guess.  It's 1am here so it's probabl ...

Unfortunately making wine in amphora is experiencing a bit of a renaissance so I find it difficult to find an authoritative source publicly available that shows the spread of ancient amphora shards with wine produced in what is today Iraq across what became the silk road, but back when I first went down the road of investigating old world wine (predating religious control of who could consume it and who was allowed to produce it) are now buried under far too many box wino blogs. Speaking of which, I shall toast you as I enjoy a nightcap. Good night and thank you for keeping me as honest as this old vagabond can be. Cheers.


Oh, Jebus f*cking Christ!
You two are gonna make babies aren't you?
...
Do the world a favor hey?
Drink heavily during gestation. Maybe throw in some crack...

/shout out to my fellow trypophobiacs!
 
BunkyBrewman [TotalFark]
2022-10-21 8:29:26 AM  
Oh yeah?  What about Voodoo chips?  They're like salt and vinegar on steroids

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Tyrone Slothrop [TotalFark]
2022-10-21 9:03:27 AM  

BunkyBrewman: Oh yeah?  What about Voodoo chips?  They're like salt and vinegar on steroids

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Voodoo? Hoodoo!
 
phlegmjay
2022-10-21 10:16:33 AM  

fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: Redh8t: fragMasterFlash: Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.

[Fark user image 425x223]

The more you know about the origins of acetobacter the less you enjoy the flavor of vinegar.

Do you dislike alcohol because it was made by yeast? Sauerkraut and pickles and yogurt and cheese because they were made by lactobacillus? Sourdough bread because it was made by both?

We've been making and preserving food through creative microbiology for 10,000 years at least.

Its all fun and games until the wine you were counting on as your only safe potable beverage for an entire year turns to vinegar. But obviously the dread of giardia or dysentery only serves to strengthen the herd, right hombre?

Eh.  You use the vinegar to preserve your veggies, and make small beer for daily drinking.

Growing grain, sorghum or gourds to ferment requires orders of magnitude more water than grape vines that can subsist on the hydration of morning mist alone. Beer is the currency of civilization, wine consumption is much more suitable for nomadic people, which is how humanity managed to spread far and wide enough to begin making beer in the first place, and many of those people died along the way when a given years batch of wine went "sour".

Cool. Today you and I are anthropologists, and I can't wait to read the citations you have for this one.

Mind you, one of my degrees is anthropology, so I will actually enjoy reading them if they are reputable sources.

HINT 1: Amphora is more than just a shop at the mall where you shopped during the 1990s.

I see.  You want to say stuff but not back it up.  Okay, I guess.  It's 1am here so it's probabl ...

Unfortunately making wine in amphora is experiencing a bit of a renaissance so I find it difficult to find an authoritative source publicly available that shows the spread of ancient amphora shards with wine produced in what is today Iraq across what became the silk road, but back when I first went down the road of investigating old world wine (predating religious control of who could consume it and who was allowed to produce it) are now buried under far too many box wino blogs. Speaking of which, I shall toast you as I enjoy a nightcap. Good night and thank you for keeping me as honest as this old vagabond can be. Cheers.


I don't want to speak for Rosekolodny, but I think their criticism wasn't of the idea that wine production was widespread in the ancient world or that we have shards of pottery demonstrating that. It was of the idea that it was the only potable beverage for most any society, let alone nomadic peoples. The idea that someone would die of thirst because their wine turned to vinagre is fairly ludicrous.

/And that's how I ended up with a pet octopus named Carl
 
luna1580 [TotalFark]
2022-10-21 10:46:45 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: BunkyBrewman: Oh yeah?  What about Voodoo chips?  They're like salt and vinegar on steroids

[Fark user image image 488x488]

Voodoo? Hoodoo!


you do! remind me of the babe.....

Labyrinth - You Remind Me Of The Babe! (Official Video) | Netflix
Youtube FfccgkG6Og8
 
olrasputin
2022-10-21 10:52:17 AM  

luna1580: Tyrone Slothrop: BunkyBrewman: Oh yeah?  What about Voodoo chips?  They're like salt and vinegar on steroids

[Fark user image image 488x488]

Voodoo? Hoodoo!

you do! remind me of the babe.....

[YouTube video: Labyrinth - You Remind Me Of The Babe! (Official Video) | Netflix]


Lulz. I almost posted that, but figured you'd handle it.
 
Everything is Awful
2022-10-21 11:31:07 AM  

ProfessorTomoe: Ordered a bag of the Utz Salt 'n Vinegar chips. I've gotta try them for myself.


They're the best S&V chip.
 
luna1580 [TotalFark]
2022-10-21 11:34:42 AM  

olrasputin: Lulz. I almost posted that, but figured you'd handle it.


always count on me to handle bowie, especially jareth, in ALL the ways!
 
luna1580 [TotalFark]
2022-10-21 12:41:08 PM  

phlegmjay: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: Redh8t: fragMasterFlash: Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.

[Fark user image 425x223]

The more you know about the origins of acetobacter the less you enjoy the flavor of vinegar.

Do you dislike alcohol because it was made by yeast? Sauerkraut and pickles and yogurt and cheese because they were made by lactobacillus? Sourdough bread because it was made by both?

We've been making and preserving food through creative microbiology for 10,000 years at least.

Its all fun and games until the wine you were counting on as your only safe potable beverage for an entire year turns to vinegar. But obviously the dread of giardia or dysentery only serves to strengthen the herd, right hombre?

Eh.  You use the vinegar to preserve your veggies, and make small beer for daily drinking.

Growing grain, sorghum or gourds to ferment requires orders of magnitude more water than grape vines that can subsist on the hydration of morning mist alone. Beer is the currency of civilization, wine consumption is much more suitable for nomadic people, which is how humanity managed to spread far and wide enough to begin making beer in the first place, and many of those people died along the way when a given years batch of wine went "sour".

Cool. Today you and I are anthropologists, and I can't wait to read the citations you have for this one.

Mind you, one of my degrees is anthropology, so I will actually enjoy reading them if they are reputable sources.

HINT 1: Amphora is more than just a shop at the mall where you shopped during the 1990s.

I see.  You want to say stuff but not back it up.  Okay, I guess.  ...


yeah, in pre-agrarian nomadic societies most moving surface water, springs, or collected rain water are very drinkable for humans, it's settlements with poor human/animal waste disposal systems that get into trouble with tainted fresh water sources......

also, wouldn't nomadic people and herdsmen be much more likely to carry wine in wineskins, NOT ceramic amphore? i don't have an anthropology degree, but it seems much more logical that making, using, and transporting wine and oil containing amphore was the practice of people already living in permanent settlements.
 
Iowan73
2022-10-21 5:02:01 PM  
CSB:

When I was 20, I did a summer internship at a small town Iowa newspaper. One day after work the staff went to a bar near the office. I told them I wasn't old enough, they said, "It's a small town and you're with us." So I went, and editor introduced me to salt and vinegar chips with beer, which is awesome.

Later that summer, we were at another bar when the OJ Simpson Bronco chase was on live television. Everyone was glued to the TV. Suddenly my editor asked me if I had met our sheriff. He had just sat down on the stool next to me, and I was trying to remember if I had told him how old I was when we had met a few weeks before. He probably knew and didn't care.
 
Some Junkie Cosmonaut [BareFark]
2022-10-21 5:19:28 PM  

luna1580: phlegmjay: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: rosekolodny: fragMasterFlash: Redh8t: fragMasterFlash: Acid and salt create an environment favorable for probiotics to dominate other naturally occurring flora, both in the packaging as the chips are shipped to you and in your gut after you eat them. Some people also claim to like the taste but I am not a big fan of the fruit fly poop flavor.

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The more you know about the origins of acetobacter the less you enjoy the flavor of vinegar.

Do you dislike alcohol because it was made by yeast? Sauerkraut and pickles and yogurt and cheese because they were made by lactobacillus? Sourdough bread because it was made by both?

We've been making and preserving food through creative microbiology for 10,000 years at least.

Its all fun and games until the wine you were counting on as your only safe potable beverage for an entire year turns to vinegar. But obviously the dread of giardia or dysentery only serves to strengthen the herd, right hombre?

Eh.  You use the vinegar to preserve your veggies, and make small beer for daily drinking.

Growing grain, sorghum or gourds to ferment requires orders of magnitude more water than grape vines that can subsist on the hydration of morning mist alone. Beer is the currency of civilization, wine consumption is much more suitable for nomadic people, which is how humanity managed to spread far and wide enough to begin making beer in the first place, and many of those people died along the way when a given years batch of wine went "sour".

Cool. Today you and I are anthropologists, and I can't wait to read the citations you have for this one.

Mind you, one of my degrees is anthropology, so I will actually enjoy reading them if they are reputable sources.

HINT 1: Amphora is more than just a shop at the mall where you shopped during the 1990s.

I see.  You want to say stuff but not back it up.  Okay ...


There was a lot more clay than you'd figure - evaporative cooling is important in that kind of environment, and clay is more watertight and lasts far longer than skins.  Yes, it's heavy, but if you want to carry large amounts of water in something that will keep it drinkable for long periods of time, clay is superior and was used a lot because of it.  At least among those who weren't just traveling from oasis equivalent to oasis equivalent on such a regular basis that long term storage wasn't a usually much of a concern

/none of that is meant to be right/wrong pokes for the previous posters
//just that there was a lot more jar water storage than you'd figure offhand, in just about every culture
///clay just did an enormously better job than skins and the like unless you were off on a trip where speed was necessary and just needed light and it works - hunting for instance

/roots for Freddy and Jason
 
RI_Red
2022-10-21 7:04:27 PM  
Best s&v chips ever were made by a RI company called Michael's.

Take Ruffles and spray the shiat out of them w/salt & vinegar. That's a close approximation.
 
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