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(Ars Technica)   Intel i9-13900K and i5-13600K review: mostly faster than AMD, and believe it or not, cheaper, thanks to continued DDR4 support   (arstechnica.com) divider line
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DrunkenIrishOD
2022-10-20 3:05:49 PM  
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Think this beefy boy is enough for handbrake with the intel and a 4090?
 
log_jammin
2022-10-20 3:08:54 PM  

DrunkenIrishOD: [Fark user image 425x290]

Think this beefy boy is enough for handbrake with the intel and a 4090?


"you're going to need a bigger box...."
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Linux_Yes
2022-10-20 3:46:34 PM  

log_jammin: DrunkenIrishOD: [Fark user image 425x290]

Think this beefy boy is enough for handbrake with the intel and a 4090?

"you're going to need a bigger box...."
[Fark user image image 600x299]


No

Youre going to need a bigger power supply and a good air conditioner to keep your room cool.
 
Linux_Yes
2022-10-20 3:47:45 PM  
AMD Ryzen 7 5700X

65 watt TDP

Thank you
 
basscomm
2022-10-20 3:52:05 PM  

Linux_Yes: log_jammin: DrunkenIrishOD: [Fark user image 425x290]

Think this beefy boy is enough for handbrake with the intel and a 4090?

"you're going to need a bigger box...."
[Fark user image image 600x299]

No

Youre going to need a bigger power supply and a good air conditioner to keep your room cool.


Why would I need to keep my room cool? It's autumn in this hemisphere.
 
BumpInTheNight [OhFark]
2022-10-20 4:08:29 PM  
I'm wondering if the 13700 can clock up to the same as the 13900.  I don't need 16 E-cores, frankly I barely use the 8 regular cores of my 9900K today.

/14 days until AMD shows off their new GPUs
 
Abe Vigoda's Ghost
2022-10-20 4:09:00 PM  
Spend the extra money and get DDR5 RAM.
 
Linux_Yes
2022-10-20 4:17:17 PM  

basscomm: Linux_Yes: log_jammin: DrunkenIrishOD: [Fark user image 425x290]

Think this beefy boy is enough for handbrake with the intel and a 4090?

"you're going to need a bigger box...."
[Fark user image image 600x299]

No

Youre going to need a bigger power supply and a good air conditioner to keep your room cool.

Why would I need to keep my room cool? It's autumn in this hemisphere.


Bec intel procs suck up power and push out heat
 
Nimbull
2022-10-20 4:17:22 PM  

Linux_Yes: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X

65 watt TDP

Thank you


That's a good option. I went with the 5700g for the backup graphics in case the video card took a dive. Processor offered more performance then my old i7 while providing better graphics then Intel does in their CPUs.
 
DrunkenIrishOD
2022-10-20 4:33:06 PM  

Linux_Yes: log_jammin: DrunkenIrishOD: [Fark user image 425x290]

Think this beefy boy is enough for handbrake with the intel and a 4090?

"you're going to need a bigger box...."
[Fark user image image 600x299]

No

Youre going to need a bigger power supply and a good air conditioner to keep your room cool.


I saw some YouTuber who put his system in a grow tent to help vent/cool it because it was outpacing the AC unit...it helped keep the room much cooler.
 
basscomm
2022-10-20 4:44:56 PM  

Linux_Yes: basscomm: Linux_Yes: log_jammin: DrunkenIrishOD: [Fark user image 425x290]

Think this beefy boy is enough for handbrake with the intel and a 4090?

"you're going to need a bigger box...."
[Fark user image image 600x299]

No

Youre going to need a bigger power supply and a good air conditioner to keep your room cool.

Why would I need to keep my room cool? It's autumn in this hemisphere.

Bec intel procs suck up power and push out heat


It's autumn in this hemisphere. That means that it's getting cold outside. Pumping heat into my room is what I want.
 
log_jammin
2022-10-20 4:50:33 PM  

basscomm: Linux_Yes: basscomm: Linux_Yes: log_jammin: DrunkenIrishOD: [Fark user image 425x290]

Think this beefy boy is enough for handbrake with the intel and a 4090?

"you're going to need a bigger box...."
[Fark user image image 600x299]

No

Youre going to need a bigger power supply and a good air conditioner to keep your room cool.

Why would I need to keep my room cool? It's autumn in this hemisphere.

Bec intel procs suck up power and push out heat

It's autumn in this hemisphere. That means that it's getting cold outside. Pumping heat into my room is what I want.


he hasn't been using all his cores for a long time now.
 
Linux_Yes
2022-10-20 6:30:03 PM  

Nimbull: Linux_Yes: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X

65 watt TDP

Thank you

That's a good option. I went with the 5700g for the backup graphics in case the video card took a dive. Processor offered more performance then my old i7 while providing better graphics then Intel does in their CPUs.


i was going to to that.  i already have a 3400G in my HTPC, but since i have a backup video card for my desktop i decided to go with the 5700x.   one thing i didn't want is a heat hog proc.
 
Linux_Yes
2022-10-20 6:31:12 PM  

basscomm: Linux_Yes: basscomm: Linux_Yes: log_jammin: DrunkenIrishOD: [Fark user image 425x290]

Think this beefy boy is enough for handbrake with the intel and a 4090?

"you're going to need a bigger box...."
[Fark user image image 600x299]

No

Youre going to need a bigger power supply and a good air conditioner to keep your room cool.

Why would I need to keep my room cool? It's autumn in this hemisphere.

Bec intel procs suck up power and push out heat

It's autumn in this hemisphere. That means that it's getting cold outside. Pumping heat into my room is what I want.


well then crank that thing up and start gaming.
 
LesserEvil [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-20 7:37:03 PM  

Linux_Yes: log_jammin: DrunkenIrishOD: [Fark user image 425x290]

Think this beefy boy is enough for handbrake with the intel and a 4090?

"you're going to need a bigger box...."
[Fark user image image 600x299]

No

Youre going to need a bigger power supply and a good air conditioner to keep your room cool.


Get a Kaiser, those things are built to last.

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fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-20 7:41:01 PM  
People who buy Intel 13th gen before PCIe 5.0 NVME drives and GPUs become widely available are likely going to have buyers remorse sooner than later. The current Intel benchmarks are as good as it gets until 14th generation parts come along, meanwhile AMD 7000-series still have a good bit of yet untapped horsepower under the hood that will likely give significant performance boosts in the coming 3 to 6 months. Long story short, Raptor Lake will hit the retail discount bin long before Raphael does, so plan your budget accordingly.
 
LesserEvil [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-20 7:42:38 PM  
The new Intel CPUs are certainly fast, but I can't help but wonder if this will turn into a Bulldozer situation with the heat.

I had one of those damn AMD Bulldozers... worked fine for a while, but then suddenly it couldn't go more than 5 minutes before getting crazy hot.

My plan is still the same... wait until the 7950X3D comes out, which will be right around tax return/company bonus time frame.

Hopefully RDNA3 catches up in RT performance - with 2.4X the shaders, 25% more clocks, misc other improvements, the 7900XT will be competitive with the 4090 at a lower cost (again, HOPEFULLY). I might not even have to rewire my computer room for 50A service.
 
BumpInTheNight [OhFark]
2022-10-20 7:52:37 PM  

fragMasterFlash: People who buy Intel 13th gen before PCIe 5.0 NVME drives and GPUs become widely available are likely going to have buyers remorse sooner than later. The current Intel benchmarks are as good as it gets until 14th generation parts come along, meanwhile AMD 7000-series still have a good bit of yet untapped horsepower under the hood that will likely give significant performance boosts in the coming 3 to 6 months. Long story short, Raptor Lake will hit the retail discount bin long before Raphael does, so plan your budget accordingly.


Got any links about the untapped potential of the 7000s?  I seriously want to believe in AMD but my wallet points to the parts that give me the most pretties in gaming, and right now with today's real-world assessment the Intel chips are coming out on top again.
 
envirovore [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-20 7:56:12 PM  

BumpInTheNight: fragMasterFlash: People who buy Intel 13th gen before PCIe 5.0 NVME drives and GPUs become widely available are likely going to have buyers remorse sooner than later. The current Intel benchmarks are as good as it gets until 14th generation parts come along, meanwhile AMD 7000-series still have a good bit of yet untapped horsepower under the hood that will likely give significant performance boosts in the coming 3 to 6 months. Long story short, Raptor Lake will hit the retail discount bin long before Raphael does, so plan your budget accordingly.

Got any links about the untapped potential of the 7000s?  I seriously want to believe in AMD but my wallet points to the parts that give me the most pretties in gaming, and right now with today's real-world assessment the Intel chips are coming out on top again.


Wccftech has been pretty heavy with the rumors for both Ryzen 7000 and rdna3 as Nov 3rd approaches.
That said, it's wccf...so...I guess more reliable on average than MLiD but still have your choice of sodium close by.
 
raygundan
2022-10-20 8:09:37 PM  

BumpInTheNight: fragMasterFlash: People who buy Intel 13th gen before PCIe 5.0 NVME drives and GPUs become widely available are likely going to have buyers remorse sooner than later. The current Intel benchmarks are as good as it gets until 14th generation parts come along, meanwhile AMD 7000-series still have a good bit of yet untapped horsepower under the hood that will likely give significant performance boosts in the coming 3 to 6 months. Long story short, Raptor Lake will hit the retail discount bin long before Raphael does, so plan your budget accordingly.

Got any links about the untapped potential of the 7000s?  I seriously want to believe in AMD but my wallet points to the parts that give me the most pretties in gaming, and right now with today's real-world assessment the Intel chips are coming out on top again.


It's not even so much the 7000 series itself, although it's likely they will have 3D cache versions of those before too long. It's that AMD supports their socket quite a bit longer.  There's likely to be multiple generations of drop-in upgrades for their new socket- the last one lasted from 2016 to present.

Which isn't to say you shouldn't buy that Intel chip if it's the best for your needs now... just that the next upgrade after will be a board/ram/cpu swap instead of a simpler cpu upgrade.
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-20 8:13:23 PM  

BumpInTheNight: fragMasterFlash: People who buy Intel 13th gen before PCIe 5.0 NVME drives and GPUs become widely available are likely going to have buyers remorse sooner than later. The current Intel benchmarks are as good as it gets until 14th generation parts come along, meanwhile AMD 7000-series still have a good bit of yet untapped horsepower under the hood that will likely give significant performance boosts in the coming 3 to 6 months. Long story short, Raptor Lake will hit the retail discount bin long before Raphael does, so plan your budget accordingly.

Got any links about the untapped potential of the 7000s?  I seriously want to believe in AMD but my wallet points to the parts that give me the most pretties in gaming, and right now with today's real-world assessment the Intel chips are coming out on top again.


November 3rd is the day we get to hear about next-gen AMD GPUs, and if those do include PCIe Gen 5 support I suspect the reduced GPU-bound bottleneck in 4K gaming might allow AMD chipsets shine compared to Raptor Lake. So if you care about that scenario it might be worth the 2 week wait. As far as NVME drives with Gen 5 support I haven't been following that closely enough to know when consumer parts will become widely available, but they could be a bigger deal than you might otherwise expect (Google "DirectStorage 1.1 Coming Soon" as Fark won't let me link that blog).
 
BumpInTheNight [OhFark]
2022-10-20 8:21:44 PM  

fragMasterFlash: November 3rd is the day we get to hear about next-gen AMD GPUs, and if those do include PCIe Gen 5 support I suspect the reduced GPU-bound bottleneck in 4K gaming might allow AMD chipsets shine compared to Raptor Lake. So if you care about that scenario it might be worth the 2 week wait. As far as NVME drives with Gen 5 support I haven't been following that closely enough to know when consumer parts will become widely available, but they could be a bigger deal than you might otherwise expect (Google "DirectStorage 1.1 Coming Soon" as Fark won't let me link that blog).


Oh wait like the Intels aren't supporting PCIE 5.0?  NVMe is plenty fast enough already for now in my opinion.  Direct storage == Windows 11 which isn't appealing to me either at this point in time nor do I think its got an appreciable impact on gaming, yet.

My timeline is most likely January any ways, that's when the PSUs that actually support that fancy 12pin+4feedback start showing up and likely where I'll get hungry enough to build a new system based on the 2023 tech available at the time.  Lots of time to see all four new component generations come online and mature, with waterblocks, because that's also crucially important to me.
 
madgonad [OhFark]
2022-10-20 10:08:54 PM  

fragMasterFlash: People who buy Intel 13th gen before PCIe 5.0 NVME drives and GPUs become widely available are likely going to have buyers remorse sooner than later. The current Intel benchmarks are as good as it gets until 14th generation parts come along, meanwhile AMD 7000-series still have a good bit of yet untapped horsepower under the hood that will likely give significant performance boosts in the coming 3 to 6 months. Long story short, Raptor Lake will hit the retail discount bin long before Raphael does, so plan your budget accordingly.


No.

In fact AMD's decision to skip DDR4 support has killed Zen4. There is literally no reason to get AMD right now. None. Raptor Lake outperforms it at every SKU. Add in the hefty price penalty for having to buy speedy DDR5 memory instead of cheap and fast DDR4 and AMD would literally have to drop their prices around $200 at every price point to provide equivalent net system cost at same performance ratio. I love AMD. As a shareholder I want you to buy their CPUs, but only heavily multithreaded workstations can even come close to price/performance parity. If you are shopping for the best value than you are going to be buying an intel CPU.

Do buy an AMD GPU though.
 
Abe Vigoda's Ghost
2022-10-21 6:01:29 AM  

madgonad: fragMasterFlash: People who buy Intel 13th gen before PCIe 5.0 NVME drives and GPUs become widely available are likely going to have buyers remorse sooner than later. The current Intel benchmarks are as good as it gets until 14th generation parts come along, meanwhile AMD 7000-series still have a good bit of yet untapped horsepower under the hood that will likely give significant performance boosts in the coming 3 to 6 months. Long story short, Raptor Lake will hit the retail discount bin long before Raphael does, so plan your budget accordingly.

No.

In fact AMD's decision to skip DDR4 support has killed Zen4. There is literally no reason to get AMD right now. None. Raptor Lake outperforms it at every SKU. Add in the hefty price penalty for having to buy speedy DDR5 memory instead of cheap and fast DDR4 and AMD would literally have to drop their prices around $200 at every price point to provide equivalent net system cost at same performance ratio. I love AMD. As a shareholder I want you to buy their CPUs, but only heavily multithreaded workstations can even come close to price/performance parity. If you are shopping for the best value than you are going to be buying an intel CPU.

Do buy an AMD GPU though.


Intel does win this round for value. It will be interesting to see if AMD lowers prices in the next few months.
Both Intel and AMD have created power hungry space heaters with these new generation CPUs.
But unless you're a serious competitive gamer (you're probably not), you would be smarter to build a system based around the Ryzen 5000 series CPUs right now, as the prices are good, and the other components are also much more affordable.
 
thrasherrr
2022-10-21 9:10:29 AM  
Still no cure for Intel inability to produce enough chips to meet demand for the fourth year running.

Meteor Lake benchmarks will be out before Raptor Lake CPUs hit full mass production.

A lot of the PC downturn is Intel Chips? What Intel chips?
 
madgonad [OhFark]
2022-10-21 11:27:16 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: But unless you're a serious competitive gamer (you're probably not), you would be smarter to build a system based around the Ryzen 5000 series CPUs right now, as the prices are good, and the other components are also much more affordable.


Exactly. The two year old Zen 3 chips on the AM4 platform draw a reasonable amount of power and perform well. I They are great for gamers that play in GPU-limited environments - which is honestly almost all of us. If you are interested in turning the eye-candy up and want to play at 1440p or 4K that your choice of CPU is mostly irrelevant. That's why gamers have been getting the cheap and low-power 12400 and using the $200+ savings to beef-up the GPU.

Now Tom's testing is still crippling dual chiplet Ryzen chips with Microsoft's SMT bug AND apparently the tested Raptor  Lake CPUs are using higher speed DDR5 (not DDR4) memory than AMD despite both platforms being able to handle much higher speeds.
 
raygundan
2022-10-21 9:53:04 PM  

madgonad: fragMasterFlash: People who buy Intel 13th gen before PCIe 5.0 NVME drives and GPUs become widely available are likely going to have buyers remorse sooner than later. The current Intel benchmarks are as good as it gets until 14th generation parts come along, meanwhile AMD 7000-series still have a good bit of yet untapped horsepower under the hood that will likely give significant performance boosts in the coming 3 to 6 months. Long story short, Raptor Lake will hit the retail discount bin long before Raphael does, so plan your budget accordingly.

No.

In fact AMD's decision to skip DDR4 support has killed Zen4. There is literally no reason to get AMD right now. None. Raptor Lake outperforms it at every SKU. Add in the hefty price penalty for having to buy speedy DDR5 memory instead of cheap and fast DDR4 and AMD would literally have to drop their prices around $200 at every price point to provide equivalent net system cost at same performance ratio. I love AMD. As a shareholder I want you to buy their CPUs, but only heavily multithreaded workstations can even come close to price/performance parity. If you are shopping for the best value than you are going to be buying an intel CPU.

Do buy an AMD GPU though.


Mixed bag. Buy AMD now and pay more this generation... but your next 2-4 upgrades will use the same motherboard and RAM, while you'll end up buying replacements at the very next upgrade (and likely multiple times before the AMD board gets replaced) with Intel.

Still, it's good to have them trading blows again. It's never good one one of them is completely dominant.
 
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