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(Tom's Hardware)   Let the flame wars commence - AMD vs Intel: Which CPUs Are Better in 2022?   (tomshardware.com) divider line
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2022-10-17 5:40:20 PM  
Answer: depends on what the hell happens with semiconductors and chip manufacturing in China.
 
2022-10-17 6:50:03 PM  
So the Intel shills over at Tom's are now espousing thriftiness after a decade of claiming Intel chips are always worth paying a premium to obtain? Even Ray Charles could see that line of BS coming.
 
2022-10-17 6:56:00 PM  
The one that works.
 
2022-10-17 7:40:35 PM  
Brand loyalty is insane.
 
2022-10-17 8:17:59 PM  
I assume they're both pretty good when paired with a 4090
 
2022-10-17 10:19:47 PM  
Over the last 20 years I have owned an almost equal number of AMD and Intel rigs.

I used to be a big AMD fan, but this free 4ghz, 4790k chip I got from my brother in law has impressed me greatly.
 
2022-10-17 10:23:52 PM  
Inciting a flamewar isn't allowed on Fark.
 
2022-10-17 10:44:18 PM  

Rev.K: Over the last 20 years I have owned an almost equal number of AMD and Intel rigs.

I used to be a big AMD fan, but this free 4ghz, 4790k chip I got from my brother in law has impressed me greatly.


That one was a real standout. It was a solid performer for something like 6 years.  AMD didn't have any chips that could outdo its single core performance until the 3000-series, but it started to suffer compared to chips with more than four cores in workloads that can make use of them.   For most stuff, it'll be enough for years more.

But it's also toward the tail end of intel's last great run, and they haven't all been quite that great in the years since.
 
2022-10-17 10:45:13 PM  
Depends what you want the CPU for, what parts you have on hand (ie if you can reuse components from your older computer), what sales are currently, and the state of your local used market. And critically, look at the CPU, RAM, MB package. Saving $50 on a CPU is not a deal if you need to spend an extra $75 on an MB and $25 on RAM.

But for practical purposes in a general use machine, I would lean pretty strongly towards AMD 5000 series right now if I don't have a compelling reason otherwise. Seems like a pretty solid place today. Especially if you can find someone selling off the MB, RAM, and CPU in a package deal as they are updating to 7000.

Personally planning to pick up a Ryzen 7000 series or Intel 13th gen this winter or next spring. Not because I need it (I don't, my 2600 is pretty solid still, but I want to demote it to the living room media machine) or it is a good idea (probably a 5600X is the best considering cost and value), but because I want to. Will decide which when it comes time to pull the trigger, I bought AMD in the past as price was the primary driver of the decision but now I have a lot more flexibility in the budget.
 
2022-10-17 10:45:36 PM  
the biggest problem I have with my AMD is that it's a pain in the ass to get stable diffusion working on it.
 
2022-10-17 10:46:44 PM  

NateAsbestos: Brand loyalty is insane.


Some brand loyalty is ok. It's a form of business relationship. This sort of brand loyalty is insane:

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2022-10-17 10:51:08 PM  

Rev.K: Over the last 20 years I have owned an almost equal number of AMD and Intel rigs.

I used to be a big AMD fan, but this free 4ghz, 4790k chip I got from my brother in law has impressed me greatly.


I used to be a big intel fan, but my BIL getting screwed over on a 9th gen system - he wanted to RAID 3 NVME drives for his boot drive (I suspect mostly because I had a dual NVME RAID boot drive at the time), but Intel insisted he had to buy a VROC key, that in the end, still didn't work - it was recognized, but Intel's RAID driver still wouldn't enable the "feature" that was free on my 6th gen system and free on AMD systems. Intel's scam was an attempt to steer consumers toward their Optane stuff, which was over-priced and under-capacity.

I updated my PC from a 6700K to a Zen3 5900X and I'm quite happy with it. I may update next tax season, to a 7950X3D when they come out.

Intel is still playing some games with their systems. There was a time when Intel was the way to go for media encoding, but AMD has reached parity on productivity, and even Handbrake can leverage GPU accelerated encoding now.
 
2022-10-17 10:52:38 PM  
AMD  ftw
 
2022-10-17 10:52:42 PM  

Gubbo: I assume they're both pretty good when paired with a 4090


Yeah, truth is it's easy to be GPU bound anyway. I'm still rocking an i7-8700k and I have a 1440p monitor - it isn't the CPU limiting me, it's my GPU (2080).

I try and err on the side of spending the most I can on a GPU, and getting a good but not top-end CPU. Maybe something like last year's top-tier chip instead. If it's your gaming machine as long as the CPU isn't dogshiat the quality of the GPU should matter much more.
 
2022-10-17 10:59:44 PM  
as long as the porn box boots up I don't care
 
2022-10-17 11:04:59 PM  
Just depends on the workloads, and the power you want to draw. Honestly, they're so close that it really comes down to whichever one you can get the best deal on at the moment. You - yes you - won't be able to notice a difference unless you're a content creator, scientist, or art/media professional.

I went with a 5900x, because I didn't want the thermals of the 12th gen Intel. Now that Zen4 is sucking down the power right beside Intel for the same performance, it really doesn't matter. Buy based on price.
 
2022-10-17 11:09:12 PM  

Kuroshin: Just depends on the workloads, and the power you want to draw. Honestly, they're so close that it really comes down to whichever one you can get the best deal on at the moment. You - yes you - won't be able to notice a difference unless you're a content creator, scientist, or art/media professional.

I went with a 5900x, because I didn't want the thermals of the 12th gen Intel. Now that Zen4 is sucking down the power right beside Intel for the same performance, it really doesn't matter. Buy based on price.


And if upgrading. The cost of associated upgrades. Do you need a new motherboard, new ram etc.
 
2022-10-17 11:09:45 PM  

Russ1642: NateAsbestos: Brand loyalty is insane.

Some brand loyalty is ok. It's a form of business relationship. This sort of brand loyalty is insane:

[Fark user image 799x599]


All brand loyalty is insane to anyone who isn't the brand. It's of zero benefit to the consumer.
 
2022-10-17 11:22:30 PM  

neilbradley: Russ1642: NateAsbestos: Brand loyalty is insane.

Some brand loyalty is ok. It's a form of business relationship. This sort of brand loyalty is insane:

[Fark user image 799x599]

All brand loyalty is insane to anyone who isn't the brand. It's of zero benefit to the consumer.


A guy like that might be apple to pick up a certain class of mid 30's to early 40's lady that is into Kirkland wine, gin, and tequila.  In this case, I'll allow it.
 
2022-10-17 11:25:47 PM  
And the winner is... NVidia.
 
2022-10-17 11:36:47 PM  

neilbradley: Russ1642: NateAsbestos: Brand loyalty is insane.

Some brand loyalty is ok. It's a form of business relationship. This sort of brand loyalty is insane:

[Fark user image 799x599]

All brand loyalty is insane to anyone who isn't the brand. It's of zero benefit to the consumer.


Well who cares about the customers FFS?  What's important is the size of your PRPeen
 
2022-10-17 11:51:05 PM  

whither_apophis: as long as the porn box boots up I don't care


Her name is Sony.
 
2022-10-17 11:57:48 PM  

neilbradley: Russ1642: NateAsbestos: Brand loyalty is insane.

Some brand loyalty is ok. It's a form of business relationship. This sort of brand loyalty is insane:

[Fark user image 799x599]

All brand loyalty is insane to anyone who isn't the brand. It's of zero benefit to the consumer.


I think blind loyalty is bad, but if you have had good experience with a company before then going back to them again isn't a bad thing. There is a difference between trust and cheerleading.

The last three (? I think) motherboards in my personal systems have been from Asus.  They have all been absolute champs. Plus I know the bios and support page like the back of my hand. I've put MSI, Gigabyte etc boards in other systems I've built, but the next time I build a new main computer for me it will probably have an Asus board assuming they put out quality at that time. I won't be wearing Asus branded clothes yelling at people on the internet perfectly happy with their purchases.
 
2022-10-18 12:05:05 AM  
I'll take one of the new Apple M processors, please.
 
2022-10-18 12:16:01 AM  

paulleah: I'll take one of the new Apple M processors, please.


I was going to say "thank goodness they didn't even mention Apple's chips" but then you had to ruin it...
 
2022-10-18 12:17:12 AM  
SPARC!
 
2022-10-18 12:20:07 AM  

Great clown Pagliacci's pick-me-up: neilbradley: Russ1642: NateAsbestos: Brand loyalty is insane.

Some brand loyalty is ok. It's a form of business relationship. This sort of brand loyalty is insane:

[Fark user image 799x599]

All brand loyalty is insane to anyone who isn't the brand. It's of zero benefit to the consumer.

I think blind loyalty is bad, but if you have had good experience with a company before then going back to them again isn't a bad thing. There is a difference between trust and cheerleading.

The last three (? I think) motherboards in my personal systems have been from Asus.  They have all been absolute champs. Plus I know the bios and support page like the back of my hand. I've put MSI, Gigabyte etc boards in other systems I've built, but the next time I build a new main computer for me it will probably have an Asus board assuming they put out quality at that time. I won't be wearing Asus branded clothes yelling at people on the internet perfectly happy with their purchases.


I think that my first build with a 486 had an Asus MB. Like you said, when you are happy with their product, you become a return customer. With all the builds since then, one Asrock, otherwise all Asus.
 
2022-10-18 12:30:28 AM  

Great clown Pagliacci's pick-me-up: neilbradley: Russ1642: NateAsbestos: Brand loyalty is insane.

Some brand loyalty is ok. It's a form of business relationship. This sort of brand loyalty is insane:

[Fark user image 799x599]

All brand loyalty is insane to anyone who isn't the brand. It's of zero benefit to the consumer.

I think blind loyalty is bad, but if you have had good experience with a company before then going back to them again isn't a bad thing. There is a difference between trust and cheerleading.

The last three (? I think) motherboards in my personal systems have been from Asus.  They have all been absolute champs. Plus I know the bios and support page like the back of my hand. I've put MSI, Gigabyte etc boards in other systems I've built, but the next time I build a new main computer for me it will probably have an Asus board assuming they put out quality at that time. I won't be wearing Asus branded clothes yelling at people on the internet perfectly happy with their purchases.


Thinking back on it, I guess I've always had good luck with Asus boards as well.

My current homelab machine is running on a Z10 with dual E5-2680v4 in it. Been rock solid as a server setup. I gutted my TS440 (the good deal from Kate 14/early 15 model) and upgraded it. Kept the chassis because it's a damned solid chassis and has the dual 4x drive bays in it. It's primary function is Plex and I've got a Supermicro 826 drive shelf attached to it.

One of these days, I'm gonna actually get a proper rack shelf for it all.

Now where we? Oh yeah, CPUs. One of my all time favorites was the AMD 5x86. I had a motherboard that supported 50mhz VLB and I had a video card at the time that also supported it. So I ran it at 3x50 instead of the popular 4x33. Sacrifice 16mhz of CPU speed to have 17mhz faster for video? Yes please.
 
2022-10-18 12:31:36 AM  
Oh, maybe is was 5x33 for 166mhz? It's been so long now, I honestly can't remember.
 
2022-10-18 12:42:33 AM  
Cyrix!
 
2022-10-18 1:50:05 AM  
My 9900k and 2080 Ti still plows through whatever I need it to.  Benchmark chasers shouldn't determine what is better for YOU
 
2022-10-18 2:00:50 AM  
My Cyrix/IBM 486. It runs the EEPROM burner (ISA Bus Card)
 
2022-10-18 3:06:08 AM  

Klom Dark: Cyrix!


I just installed WIndows XP on an old Via Epia 800 I found in a box in my shed. It still works. Turns out you can't update XP online any more. WTF?
 
2022-10-18 3:53:51 AM  
Intel doesn't offer a high end desktop platform with additional I/O any more. If you have a workload that benefits from extra PCIe connectivity, Threadripper is the only game in town.

On the other hand, among desktop platforms, neither side runs away with anything. Each company is within 3% of the other within the same rough price point for any given benchmark, and then you just have to think about things like thermals and extra features to decide. AMD is easier to cool and keep cool right now but Intel has at least some claim to fastest single threaded performance.

I've been building PCs for over 30 years. I've never had an Asus RMA successfully completed. Not for a monitor, a laptop or a motherboard. The closest I've come is to have similarly defective parts returned. Maybe they're ok when they're working but I'd prefer to deal with a company that offers better service.
 
2022-10-18 4:03:46 AM  
We're just lucky that they are both still competitive - if Intel would have crushed AMD then there would be zero reason for them to keep innovating or reduce prices - it's WAY more lucrative to just keep the same chip fab running for another decade and keep cranking out the exact same cpu instead of having to do all that pesky R&D or invest money in new multi-billion dollar fabs.

Everyone benefits from there being healthy competition between the two.

/over the past 30 years, I've had 4 Intel and 4 amd computers myself, most recently an Amd Ryzen threadripper
 
2022-10-18 4:44:44 AM  

Russ1642: NateAsbestos: Brand loyalty is insane.

Some brand loyalty is ok. It's a form of business relationship. This sort of brand loyalty is insane:

[Fark user image 799x599]


Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2022-10-18 5:32:34 AM  
Previous gen on eBay, probably AMD. They both have big uglies this gen.
 
2022-10-18 6:04:26 AM  

jclaggett: Great clown Pagliacci's pick-me-up: neilbradley: Russ1642: NateAsbestos: Brand loyalty is insane.

Some brand loyalty is ok. It's a form of business relationship. This sort of brand loyalty is insane:

[Fark user image 799x599]

All brand loyalty is insane to anyone who isn't the brand. It's of zero benefit to the consumer.

I think blind loyalty is bad, but if you have had good experience with a company before then going back to them again isn't a bad thing. There is a difference between trust and cheerleading.

The last three (? I think) motherboards in my personal systems have been from Asus.  They have all been absolute champs. Plus I know the bios and support page like the back of my hand. I've put MSI, Gigabyte etc boards in other systems I've built, but the next time I build a new main computer for me it will probably have an Asus board assuming they put out quality at that time. I won't be wearing Asus branded clothes yelling at people on the internet perfectly happy with their purchases.

Thinking back on it, I guess I've always had good luck with Asus boards as well.

My current homelab machine is running on a Z10 with dual E5-2680v4 in it. Been rock solid as a server setup. I gutted my TS440 (the good deal from Kate 14/early 15 model) and upgraded it. Kept the chassis because it's a damned solid chassis and has the dual 4x drive bays in it. It's primary function is Plex and I've got a Supermicro 826 drive shelf attached to it.

One of these days, I'm gonna actually get a proper rack shelf for it all.

Now where we? Oh yeah, CPUs. One of my all time favorites was the AMD 5x86. I had a motherboard that supported 50mhz VLB and I had a video card at the time that also supported it. So I ran it at 3x50 instead of the popular 4x33. Sacrifice 16mhz of CPU speed to have 17mhz faster for video? Yes please.


The fact that you had a motherboard with VLB that could do 50MHz fsb is getting into BS territory...
 
2022-10-18 6:42:16 AM  
Right now I'm waiting until I can buy a delided  7000 series X3D version, but Intel 13th Gen is just about to drop so we will have to see what those numbers are.

Intels insistence on forcing you to pay more for the ability to overclock really pisses me off.
 
2022-10-18 6:44:28 AM  
I'll say it that my CPU hasn't been the bottleneck in my desktops for years now, many many years.  Those desktops have also been Intel based for the last fifteen years but I'm pretty sure my next one will be a Ryzen.  In the server world it was a complete no brainer to flip to Epyc chips due to their beautiful density and lower price point, even with VMware's totally not Intel influenced licensing model change for chips over 32 cores.

and what's with Tom's Hardware arbitrarily using the ryzen 5000s as their AMD example in some of the comparison point vs not even released Intel chips?   This opinion piece is dildos.
 
2022-10-18 6:56:22 AM  
AMD is the better buy today I'd say in terms of power, performance, and even integrated graphics wither you use that as a primary or backup solution for your display. Intel has a lot of ground to claw back at and instead of jamming more power in to chips making them hotter to be faster they need to be smarter about it. If Intel could get a top end i9 running at half the power for the same performance at full power now they'd be well on their way. That and get their graphics ducks in a row.
 
2022-10-18 6:57:28 AM  
Amd still has better price to performance
 
2022-10-18 7:04:41 AM  
I think X86 is finally giving way to ARM and RISC
 
2022-10-18 7:38:24 AM  

BumpInTheNight: and what's with Tom's Hardware arbitrarily using the ryzen 5000s as their AMD example in some of the comparison point vs not even released Intel chips?


To be fair, the 5800X3D is a beast of a gaming chip that rivals the 7000 series in many tasks and doesn't need the expensive AM5 mobo or double-priced DDR5 memory.  If you're building a gaming system today on a budget, it's a solid contender.

AMD really screwed up when they didn't allow DDR4 memory on the 7000 series.  They should have waited a generation or two before forcing DDR5 upgrades.
 
2022-10-18 8:28:27 AM  
My rig is now 9 years old which is a record.
I've never waited around for the CPU to do anything.
The thing I look forward to in my next box is an M.2 socket, with a lesser priority on a 10Gbit ethernet card.
The biggest bottleneck in the house is the internet connection, but we can stream HD video as fast as we can watch it and half the stuff we're watching is standard def, and once a week it'll be a black and white movie from the 1930's, so the new "5x speed" promotion from the cable company made me yawn.

My mother in law was on the board at Intel. Back in '99 I built my stepson a system with a 1GHz Athlon, and without thinking put the 'AMD' sticker on the case. Eventually he moved in with his grandma, and I got a phone call about my choice of processor.

It appears now that Intel hasn't been focused on their main product; they're having to farm out 7nm and 5nm to TSMC, and the only excuse for that is that they've got too many irons in the fire and forgot to be a processor company.

My brand loyalty or lack of it has noting to do with what's actually available to buy when I'm ready to replace this rusty battleship.
 
2022-10-18 8:50:35 AM  

Foundling: It appears now that Intel hasn't been focused on their main product; they're having to farm out 7nm and 5nm to TSMC, and the only excuse for that is that they've got too many irons in the fire and forgot to be a processor company.


This is just the business cycle and consultants.

If you only make one thing, you'll be expected to diversify into other areas.

If you make lots of things, you'll be expected to focus on your core product.
 
2022-10-18 12:19:35 PM  
Built an i7-9800K system with a 2080 Ti GPU in 2019, and it will be at least one more GPU generation before the CPU even becomes a factor in performance.
 
2022-10-18 1:08:38 PM  

Great clown Pagliacci's pick-me-up: neilbradley: Russ1642: NateAsbestos: Brand loyalty is insane.

Some brand loyalty is ok. It's a form of business relationship. This sort of brand loyalty is insane:

[Fark user image 799x599]

All brand loyalty is insane to anyone who isn't the brand. It's of zero benefit to the consumer.

I think blind loyalty is bad, but if you have had good experience with a company before then going back to them again isn't a bad thing. There is a difference between trust and cheerleading.


I would assert that going back to a company because they've treated you well or had a good product isn't a "loyalty" thing. I'm really referring to those (like my mom) who have always owned Fords and have always driven Fords, and even though many manufacturers have come out with vehicles that are objectively better in easily measurable fashion, her loyalty to Ford is self limiting.
 
2022-10-18 1:37:04 PM  

Klom Dark: Cyrix!


Once upon a time I actually had one of those. It was slightly cheaper than the alternatives, and I was a poor dude who was trying to save every buck I could. And it was a huge mistake. Should have spent the extra money on a different CPU. Most unstable CPU I've ever had, before or since.
 
2022-10-18 1:58:08 PM  

Boomstickz: jclaggett: Great clown Pagliacci's pick-me-up: neilbradley: Russ1642: NateAsbestos: Brand loyalty is insane.

Some brand loyalty is ok. It's a form of business relationship. This sort of brand loyalty is insane:

[Fark user image 799x599]

All brand loyalty is insane to anyone who isn't the brand. It's of zero benefit to the consumer.

I think blind loyalty is bad, but if you have had good experience with a company before then going back to them again isn't a bad thing. There is a difference between trust and cheerleading.

The last three (? I think) motherboards in my personal systems have been from Asus.  They have all been absolute champs. Plus I know the bios and support page like the back of my hand. I've put MSI, Gigabyte etc boards in other systems I've built, but the next time I build a new main computer for me it will probably have an Asus board assuming they put out quality at that time. I won't be wearing Asus branded clothes yelling at people on the internet perfectly happy with their purchases.

Thinking back on it, I guess I've always had good luck with Asus boards as well.

My current homelab machine is running on a Z10 with dual E5-2680v4 in it. Been rock solid as a server setup. I gutted my TS440 (the good deal from Kate 14/early 15 model) and upgraded it. Kept the chassis because it's a damned solid chassis and has the dual 4x drive bays in it. It's primary function is Plex and I've got a Supermicro 826 drive shelf attached to it.

One of these days, I'm gonna actually get a proper rack shelf for it all.

Now where we? Oh yeah, CPUs. One of my all time favorites was the AMD 5x86. I had a motherboard that supported 50mhz VLB and I had a video card at the time that also supported it. So I ran it at 3x50 instead of the popular 4x33. Sacrifice 16mhz of CPU speed to have 17mhz faster for video? Yes please.

The fact that you had a motherboard with VLB that could do 50MHz fsb is getting into BS territory...


VLB 2.0 supported 50mhz bus speeds.

It was fickle as all get out, but when it worked it was quite nice.
 
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