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(Some Guy)   At Harvard, the environmental peasants are revolting. The elitists on the water want none of this   (guudtimes.com) divider line
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Ragin' Asian [recently expired TotalFark]
2022-10-15 12:22:08 PM  
It's crew season!
 
Snort
2022-10-15 12:22:09 PM  
Property rights mean nothing these days.
 
Ragin' Asian [recently expired TotalFark]
2022-10-15 12:24:17 PM  

Snort: Property rights mean nothing these days.


Try not paying taxes. Also, quit complaining.
 
danvon
2022-10-15 12:28:14 PM  
FTFA: "Harvard, meanwhile, wants to keep its private dock on the Charles, and is offering to fund a public dock elsewhere along the river in return."

In other words, "Separate, but equal."
 
Fano
2022-10-15 12:28:46 PM  
Well if the townies weren't thieving scum, we could all have nice things.
 
Porous Horace
2022-10-15 12:33:59 PM  
Stone Cutters, not Cutters.
 
austerity101 [BareFark]
2022-10-15 12:35:49 PM  

Fano: Well if the townies weren't thieving scum, we could all have nice things.


The rich steal more than the poor could ever dream of stealing.
 
New Rising Sun
2022-10-15 12:37:06 PM  
Oh for pete sake. Look I'm all for dunking on Harvard but the crew boathouses are like maybe 150 feet of waterline length each along something that's basically 10 miles long on each side (so 20 miles total) of public park along the Charles River.  Harvard has two boathouses (1 for men 1 for women, formerly Radcliff College's), but other schools have them too (one each) Northeastern, Boston University, and MIT, plus two private rowing clubs and a non-profit called Community Rowing, Inc. Incidentally, Community Rowing's boathouse is brand new and makes Harvard's look like a dump.

That said, it's valid to want more public facilities like permanent bathrooms and drinking fountains, which get pretty nonexistent when you get away from the downtown portion of the river.
 
Snort
2022-10-15 12:37:16 PM  

austerity101: Fano: Well if the townies weren't thieving scum, we could all have nice things.

The rich steal more than the poor could ever dream of stealing.


But the poors are racist Bostonians.  I know because Michael Che tells me so.
 
Fano
2022-10-15 12:37:57 PM  

austerity101: Fano: Well if the townies weren't thieving scum, we could all have nice things.

The rich steal more than the poor could ever dream of stealing.


That's because they know what it's like to have nice things. You can't dream of much from the bottom of a well.
 
Vlad_the_Inaner
2022-10-15 12:38:00 PM  
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Day_Old_Dutchie
2022-10-15 12:38:24 PM  
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austerity101 [BareFark]
2022-10-15 12:42:00 PM  

Fano: austerity101: Fano: Well if the townies weren't thieving scum, we could all have nice things.

The rich steal more than the poor could ever dream of stealing.

That's because they know what it's like to have nice things. You can't dream of much from the bottom of a well.


I legitimately can't tell if you're being sarcastic or you're just a piece of sh*t. So, bravo, I guess.
 
waxbeans [TotalFark]
2022-10-15 12:48:04 PM  

Snort: Property rights mean nothing these days.


Should they?
As far as I'm concerned we're standing on stolen property.  So, fark Harvard.

/Head of Useless Talent Development
 
waxbeans [TotalFark]
2022-10-15 12:50:15 PM  

New Rising Sun: Oh for pete sake. Look I'm all for dunking on Harvard but the crew boathouses are like maybe 150 feet of waterline length each along something that's basically 10 miles long on each side (so 20 miles total) of public park along the Charles River.  Harvard has two boathouses (1 for men 1 for women, formerly Radcliff College's), but other schools have them too (one each) Northeastern, Boston University, and MIT, plus two private rowing clubs and a non-profit called Community Rowing, Inc. Incidentally, Community Rowing's boathouse is brand new and makes Harvard's look like a dump.

That said, it's valid to want more public facilities like permanent bathrooms and drinking fountains, which get pretty nonexistent when you get away from the downtown portion of the river.


Considering community college let's people who aren't students use the computers, I'm not seeing an issue.
WTF
 
replacementcool
2022-10-15 12:54:17 PM  
public access to waterways should be considered a right. but then, america.

/Director of Laughter Therapy
 
Biledriver
2022-10-15 1:01:42 PM  
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austerity101 [BareFark]
2022-10-15 1:08:41 PM  

replacementcool: public access to waterways should be considered a right. but then, america.


America hasn't met the thing they can't prevent poor people from accessing.
 
gameshowhost [OhFark]
2022-10-15 1:18:30 PM  
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starlost
2022-10-15 1:20:31 PM  
iirc some of this is about the street parking next to it the university has control over and doesn't want to lose.
 
Ragin' Asian [recently expired TotalFark]
2022-10-15 1:24:11 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: [scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net image 648x633]


John Hart. Stealing jokes before Dane Cook was Dane Cook. Not very Christian.

/eel-free hovercraft since '98
 
stuffy
2022-10-15 1:29:12 PM  
Better have great insurance. Fist time some A-hole gets a splinter in their little toe.
 
TheYeti
2022-10-15 1:32:13 PM  

danvon: FTFA: "Harvard, meanwhile, wants to keep its private dock on the Charles, and is offering to fund a public dock elsewhere along the river in return."

In other words, "Separate, but equal."


Truly a story of the haves and the other, different, haves.

Inspiring.

/Director of Punny Jokes
 
Target Builder
2022-10-15 1:38:06 PM  
So is the issue that if your house borders a lake or river and you build a dock that you then have to build a footpath/provide access to it and allow randoms to hang out on it?
 
robodog
2022-10-15 1:47:26 PM  

austerity101: Fano: Well if the townies weren't thieving scum, we could all have nice things.

The rich steal more than the poor could ever dream of stealing.


Wage theft eclipses all other forms of theft and robbery, by a large margin.
 
PunGent
2022-10-15 2:21:44 PM  

replacementcool: public access to waterways should be considered a right. but then, america.


It is a right here in Mass., but not an unlimited right.  The part of the statute tfa left out was "maritime activity", iirc...ie, rowing.  If it was, say, a warehouse for something other than boat parts, this suit might go somewhere.

Target Builder: So is the issue that if your house borders a lake or river and you build a dock that you then have to build a footpath/provide access to it and allow randoms to hang out on it?


Not if you get a proper permit.  But if you just slap a dock, jetty, or fence down, blocking a beach, whether on a lake or the ocean, you may indeed be forced to provide access...or tear the thing down.

U.S. waterfront rights trace all the way back to Roman law.
 
dryknife [BareFark]
2022-10-15 2:33:16 PM  
What a wicked pissah
 
scanman61
2022-10-15 2:35:20 PM  

Snort: Property rights mean nothing these days.


They haven't since the 17th century.

The Commonwealth's primary tool for protection and promotion of public use of its tidelands and other waterways is Massachusetts General Law Chapter 91, the waterways licensing program. The Commonwealth formally established the program in 1866, but the philosophy behind Chapter 91 dates back to the earliest days of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, most notably in the Colonial Ordinances of 1641-1647. The Colonial Ordinances codified the "public trust doctrine," a legal principle that dates back nearly 2000 years, which holds that the air, the sea and the shore belong not to any one person, but rather to the public at large.

/Ninja Warrior Trainer
 
scanman61
2022-10-15 2:36:25 PM  

New Rising Sun: Oh for pete sake. Look I'm all for dunking on Harvard but the crew boathouses are like maybe 150 feet of waterline length each along something that's basically 10 miles long on each side (so 20 miles total) of public park along the Charles River.


So it's ok to break the law if you're only breaking it a little bit?

https://www.mass.gov/guides/chapter-91-the-massachusetts-public-waterfront-act
 
MBooda [TotalFark]
2022-10-15 2:37:55 PM  
Ah, this picture brought back high school memories.
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Our boathouse was in Georgetown under K street. We weren't as close to the Exorcist Steps as our rivals, we were classified as a club, not a team, and we never won a meet, but our coach was legendary and we got to go to a lot of prestigious events as a result. We spent most of our time playing blackjack and dodging the huge Norway rats that inhabited the wharf, until our coach made us put the shells in the water. Then we were drilled until our coxswains were hoarse and we threw up in the Potomac. On weekends we drank lots of beer and smoked lots of weed.

/memories
 
aungen [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-15 2:41:18 PM  

waxbeans: Snort: Property rights mean nothing these days.

Should they?
As far as I'm concerned we're standing on stolen property.  So, fark Harvard.


The blood of the pre-hominids soaked the ground that the 'natives' walked upon.

And when the fires of my Armageddon fade from this epoch, and another species rises, I will tell them of the 4th generation of hominids to rule this land, and let them know that the 3rd considered the 4th totally evil for killing almost all of them and being jerks, in general.

But the 3rd also couldn't remember what they had done to the 2nd, nor could the 2nd speak about what's they had done to the 1st, because they were both extinct when records keeping became popular.

And then after a time, I will ride again and bathe the world in fire, destroying the 5th generation and starting the cycle anew.  Someday they will be sharp enough to realize what I am doing, but until then they will keep blaming each other.

Which is fine.
 
waxbeans [TotalFark]
2022-10-15 2:42:25 PM  

Target Builder: So is the issue that if your house borders a lake or river and you build a dock that you then have to build a footpath/provide access to it and allow randoms to hang out on it?


Why do we even teach people to share? Once in adult life sharing never farking happen.

Odd.

/David Byrne is my fashion guru
 
StatelyGreekAutomaton
2022-10-15 2:50:36 PM  

Snort: Property rights mean nothing these days.


He says, breathing public access air.

/applesauce!
 
Vlad_the_Inaner
2022-10-15 2:56:39 PM  

Ragin' Asian: Vlad_the_Inaner: [scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net image 648x633]

John Hart. Stealing jokes before Dane Cook was Dane Cook. Not very Christian.


He is a creationist. So anything from before 4004BC is fair game

/Director of Awkward Dancing
 
Shakin_Haitian
2022-10-15 3:10:23 PM  

waxbeans: Target Builder: So is the issue that if your house borders a lake or river and you build a dock that you then have to build a footpath/provide access to it and allow randoms to hang out on it?

Why do we even teach people to share? Once in adult life sharing never farking happen.

Odd.


You don't share? I share all the time. I share tools, food, drink, and money.
 
Vlad_the_Inaner
2022-10-15 3:21:42 PM  

StatelyGreekAutomaton: Snort: Property rights mean nothing these days.

He says, breathing public access air.


You forgot the "gotcha!"

/flapdoodle!
 
MindStalker
2022-10-15 3:27:14 PM  

Target Builder: So is the issue that if your house borders a lake or river and you build a dock that you then have to build a footpath/provide access to it and allow randoms to hang out on it?


Think of the river as a road. You can't block the road or sidewalk in front of your house. You don't own that property exactly.
 
waxbeans [TotalFark]
2022-10-15 3:29:18 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: waxbeans: Target Builder: So is the issue that if your house borders a lake or river and you build a dock that you then have to build a footpath/provide access to it and allow randoms to hang out on it?

Why do we even teach people to share? Once in adult life sharing never farking happen.

Odd.

You don't share? I share all the time. I share tools, food, drink, and money.


I do.
Not many people i know share.
And sharing among people know doesn't count.
I'm big on buying random people drinks. Because why I was young people would regularly buy me drinks.  Strangers.
 
Stud Gerbil
2022-10-15 3:42:04 PM  
Should you let people camp in your backyard?   Just asking.   You seem to own the yard for your own use, right?   But if you find some obscure provision in the law that seems to allow it, I guess you could have the whole town camping out there.   Yeah, fark property rights and such.
 
replacementcool
2022-10-15 3:44:10 PM  

Stud Gerbil: Should you let people camp in your backyard?   Just asking.   You seem to own the yard for your own use, right?   But if you find some obscure provision in the law that seems to allow it, I guess you could have the whole town camping out there.   Yeah, fark property rights and such.


we're talking about public waterways. Try to keep up.
 
MBooda [TotalFark]
2022-10-15 3:56:21 PM  

replacementcool: Stud Gerbil: Should you let people camp in your backyard?   Just asking.   You seem to own the yard for your own use, right?   But if you find some obscure provision in the law that seems to allow it, I guess you could have the whole town camping out there.   Yeah, fark property rights and such.

we're talking about access to public waterways. Try to keep up.


FTFY
 
replacementcool
2022-10-15 3:57:22 PM  

MBooda: replacementcool: Stud Gerbil: Should you let people camp in your backyard?   Just asking.   You seem to own the yard for your own use, right?   But if you find some obscure provision in the law that seems to allow it, I guess you could have the whole town camping out there.   Yeah, fark property rights and such.

we're talking about access to public waterways. Try to keep up.

FTFY


it's the same thing. If a private entity was blocking access to public roads, they would also be coonts.
 
cwheelie
2022-10-15 3:58:50 PM  

waxbeans: Snort: Property rights mean nothing these days.

Should they?
As far as I'm concerned we're standing on stolen property.  So, fark Harvard.


Need help packing? Or will yoube publishing your address and giving any extra rooms you have to those exploited by your ancestors
 
jjorsett
2022-10-15 4:26:34 PM  
From here: The Ash Center would like to acknowledge the land on which Harvard sits as the traditional territory of the Massachusett people and a place which has long served as a site of meeting and exchange among nations.


So the real answer is: they should be giving the boathouses and docks back to the natives they stole their land from.
 
Target Builder
2022-10-15 4:28:58 PM  

MindStalker: Target Builder: So is the issue that if your house borders a lake or river and you build a dock that you then have to build a footpath/provide access to it and allow randoms to hang out on it?

Think of the river as a road. You can't block the road or sidewalk in front of your house. You don't own that property exactly.


Maybe TFA is explaining it poorly, but the issue seems to be that if they don't build a jetty then river users can use the river, but if they do build one then they have to provide river users access to their land to access the jetty.

Be like if installing a driveway meant your neighbors gained roaming rights to your front yard.
 
scanman61
2022-10-15 4:41:38 PM  

Target Builder: MindStalker: Target Builder: So is the issue that if your house borders a lake or river and you build a dock that you then have to build a footpath/provide access to it and allow randoms to hang out on it?

Think of the river as a road. You can't block the road or sidewalk in front of your house. You don't own that property exactly.

Maybe TFA is explaining it poorly, but the issue seems to be that if they don't build a jetty then river users can use the river, but if they do build one then they have to provide river users access to their land to access the jetty.

Be like if installing a driveway meant your neighbors gained roaming rights to your front yard.


Well, yes, if your front yard was considered a public waterway.  Otherwise this would be a really farking stupid analogy.
 
replacementcool
2022-10-15 5:13:30 PM  

Target Builder: MindStalker: Target Builder: So is the issue that if your house borders a lake or river and you build a dock that you then have to build a footpath/provide access to it and allow randoms to hang out on it?

Think of the river as a road. You can't block the road or sidewalk in front of your house. You don't own that property exactly.

Maybe TFA is explaining it poorly, but the issue seems to be that if they don't build a jetty then river users can use the river, but if they do build one then they have to provide river users access to their land to access the jetty.

Be like if installing a driveway meant your neighbors gained roaming rights to your front yard.


the river is not harvard's front yard.
 
meat0918 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-15 5:21:16 PM  
Sorry, no, the public sucks.

Unless I am misunderstanding something, private docks are private docks, even though it's a navigable water doesn't mean I can pull up to it unless there's an emergency.

The open bank on the other hand or shore is a different matter.
 
Target Builder
2022-10-15 5:23:05 PM  

replacementcool: Target Builder: MindStalker: Target Builder: So is the issue that if your house borders a lake or river and you build a dock that you then have to build a footpath/provide access to it and allow randoms to hang out on it?

Think of the river as a road. You can't block the road or sidewalk in front of your house. You don't own that property exactly.

Maybe TFA is explaining it poorly, but the issue seems to be that if they don't build a jetty then river users can use the river, but if they do build one then they have to provide river users access to their land to access the jetty.

Be like if installing a driveway meant your neighbors gained roaming rights to your front yard.

the river is not harvard's front yard.


I don't think anyone, certainly not me, is talking about folks on the water.

The issue, unless TFA is explaining it badly, seems to be that building a jetty gives river users access to the land and requires the university to provide land access to it.
 
waxbeans [TotalFark]
2022-10-15 5:57:08 PM  

cwheelie: waxbeans: Snort: Property rights mean nothing these days.

Should they?
As far as I'm concerned we're standing on stolen property.  So, fark Harvard.

Need help packing? Or will yoube publishing your address and giving any extra rooms you have to those exploited by your ancestors


Texas was originally Mexico.  So me and my blood line are all from this land originally.  Except the for the one related to rapist Spaniards.
So I'm always already where I and my people came from.
Six flags over Texas.
We didn't cross a bridge.  The flag over head changed.  Six times.
 
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