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(Vice)   It's not paranoia when Starbucks is actually targeting you   (vice.com) divider line
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1732 clicks; posted to Business » on 15 Oct 2022 at 12:30 AM (16 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-10-15 12:35:50 AM  
This is a dangerous game for Starbucks. FoxNews is already proclaiming that Democrats want to force people to drink Starbucks thereby making them an enemy. Messing around with workers rights and unions when your fans are Democrats may be one of the dumbest things you can possibly do.
 
2022-10-15 1:56:02 AM  
My local convenience store has automated coffee machines that appear to produce a cup on demand. I get my coffee from the grinding machine, turn around and see a rack of add ins. It's about $2.50 for a cup of what I want.

Tarbuck's is retreating to places to work when we work at home, and drive thru service for people who don't have a Dutch Bros on their route. Yet.
 
2022-10-15 1:59:13 AM  
When unionized and non-unionized worker fight each other, corporations win.
 
2022-10-15 2:17:04 AM  
I pretty much feel in order to deal with capitalism i need to record conversations with my managers now.  because they lie.

so glad i like in a single party consent state
 
2022-10-15 2:56:55 AM  
This year the Starbucks holiday cup is going to be Santa union busting the elves, and for once Fox News will back it wholeheartedly, since War on Workers > War on Christmas
 
2022-10-15 3:17:11 AM  
What is it about these "district managers" that makes them so motivated to discourage unions? They can't be large shareholders, not C-suite executives who's income is determined by stock price, just mid-level managers that get a salary like every else. I wouldn't want to risk being sued or fined by the gov. just because the execs. tell me to. Plenty of jobs out there even if I were to get fired
 
2022-10-15 3:32:07 AM  

mistahtom: When unionized and non-unionized worker fight each other, corporations win.


Whoever wins we lose?

I don't drink coffee.
 
2022-10-15 6:14:33 AM  
Probably spelled their names wrong.
 
2022-10-15 7:01:47 AM  
It's ridiculous that Starbucks still calls their workers "partners", even though they are blatantly union busting.

It's like being addressed as "friend" by the man with the knife who has cornered you in a dark alley.
 
2022-10-15 7:10:57 AM  
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By my calculations, costs less than a dime a cup.
 
2022-10-15 7:25:49 AM  

Psychopompous: [media-amazon.com image 580x306]
By my calculations, costs less than a dime a cup.


Yup, looks like it, too.
 
2022-10-15 7:32:18 AM  

discoballer: Psychopompous: [media-amazon.com image 580x306]
By my calculations, costs less than a dime a cup.

Yup, looks like it, too.


Not sure how it could be worse than Starbucks.

/ and SBs CEO is an apex sociopath
 
2022-10-15 8:44:57 AM  

Psychopompous: [media-amazon.com image 580x306]
By my calculations, costs less than a dime a cup.


Tastes even worse than Starbucks, though. OTH, I can get a bag containing 2 honest pounds of acceptable quality coffee beans from Costco for ~$15. If ground and brewed properly, it's noticeably better than Starbucks. And given that Starbucks wants $2.45 for a large coffee, it's still vastly cheaper.
 
2022-10-15 10:17:59 AM  

kkinnison: I pretty much feel in order to deal with capitalism i need to record conversations with my managers now.  because they lie.

so glad i like in a single party consent state


At my last job I had to do that. Not recording, but whenever my boss lost his sh*t and started screaming racial epithets and berated employees, I noted the date, time, and who was present to hear what was being said, as well as what was being said.

Labor and the workers are getting too powerful for management and they don't like it. Be paranoid and cover yer ass
 
2022-10-15 10:27:29 AM  

Psychopompous: [media-amazon.com image 580x306]
By my calculations, costs less than a dime a cup.


Or, you could patronize other local coffee shops than Starbucks. They may be a little more out of the way and may not be unionized but, even if they are evil, they're probably not evil on the same scale as Starbucks.
 
2022-10-15 10:31:53 AM  
3 years ago I bought a Breville Grind & Brew.  It has paid for itself several times over.
 
2022-10-15 11:07:26 AM  
A while back, I was a retail manager for a few different companies. They both had licensed Starbucks locations inside which I typically oversaw because I was good at it.

Because of that, I've had many interactions with Starbucks corporate in my area. They were all backstabbing liars who were almost universally out to get each other and you if you rubbed them the wrong way.

I learned a lot about how to deal with difficult people in a professional manner, but it was not fun at the time.

All that said, I don't doubt this person's story one bit.
 
2022-10-15 11:08:49 AM  

sinner4ever: This is a dangerous game for Starbucks. FoxNews is already proclaiming that Democrats want to force people to drink Starbucks thereby making them an enemy. Messing around with workers rights and unions when your fans are Democrats may be one of the dumbest things you can possibly do.


To be fair

Excess caffeine can make you paranoid and interfere with sleep cycles.

And is addictive

The reason why morning caffeine drinkers are so groggy before their morning fix is because they are going thru caffeine withdrawal.

Non drinkers dont have that issue.

Disclaimer: this information is provided as a public service and was not funded by the coffee industry.
 
2022-10-15 11:10:40 AM  

Psychopompous: [media-amazon.com image 580x306]
By my calculations, costs less than a dime a cup.


The best part of waking up is folgers in your butt.
 
2022-10-15 11:29:42 AM  

TotallyHeadless: What is it about these "district managers" that makes them so motivated to discourage unions? They can't be large shareholders, not C-suite executives who's income is determined by stock price, just mid-level managers that get a salary like every else. I wouldn't want to risk being sued or fined by the gov. just because the execs. tell me to. Plenty of jobs out there even if I were to get fired


District managers are on the first rung of the upper level management track were you have to prove that you are a sociopath that will maximise the share price above all other things, like the law, self respect or empathy for your fellow humans.

They are the people who think Jordan Belfort of the Wolf of Wall Street is a roll modal and if you don't think like that you won't get promoted into those positions. If you have ever worked with sales teams you will know the type.
 
2022-10-15 1:29:22 PM  
Coffee is just the training wheels for the real thing -- chocolate.  It's even Mormon approved, so it has to be good.

Starbucks, in attempting to creature a profitable narcotic-based "culture" nearing a cult, really needs to understand that unions are "culture" too and you really shouldn't poop in the same pool.

Personally I find Starbucks aroma to be very close to ripe skunk, with skunk spray maybe a little burnt.
 
2022-10-15 2:06:19 PM  

TotallyHeadless: What is it about these "district managers" that makes them so motivated to discourage unions? They can't be large shareholders, not C-suite executives who's income is determined by stock price, just mid-level managers that get a salary like every else. I wouldn't want to risk being sued or fined by the gov. just because the execs. tell me to. Plenty of jobs out there even if I were to get fired


Because they see it as a path from "has a few scraps tossed on the floor" to "allowed to lick the plate after Master is done eating"
 
2022-10-15 2:18:34 PM  
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2022-10-15 2:52:15 PM  
Some thoughts...

Labor Unions generally work best in professions where long term employment is an expectation, in the sense that many Iron/Auto/Agricultural/etc Workers did that their entire careers, with a heavy emphasis on retirement and seniority, ensuring personal investment on the part of the workers and reliable output for Capital.

How long does the average starbucks "partner" work there? I imagine longer than some things, but do these unions really have the staying power to do anything? Is there going to be anyone keeping these unions going as staff turn over? Are these workers looking to turn Coffee Barista into something like an factory-worker lifelong career?

As much as Starbucks is fighting this, I just don't see this particular labor market as spectacularly ripe for effective unionization beyond saying "our store made a union!" It seems like they're generating a lot of negative publicity over something that doesn't seem that big of a threat, mostly because it appears to personally irritate C-suite types.
 
2022-10-15 3:16:38 PM  
The mid-management of Starbucks is awful...because a majority of them have never worked in the stores.  The pipeline from Store Manager to District Manager disappeared around the time that Barista -> Shift Manager -> Asst Store Manager dried up.

They started hiring folks with 'food management' experience, rather than people who knew the playbook.

So, you have an unhappy workforce, a broken talent retention system, and a communication disconnect.
 
2022-10-15 3:34:47 PM  
Just in case you forget that beer snobs aren't the only insufferable douches, we present to you coffee snobs
 
2022-10-15 3:45:21 PM  

zbtop: Some thoughts...

Labor Unions generally work best in professions where long term employment is an expectation, in the sense that many Iron/Auto/Agricultural/etc Workers did that their entire careers, with a heavy emphasis on retirement and seniority, ensuring personal investment on the part of the workers and reliable output for Capital.

How long does the average starbucks "partner" work there? I imagine longer than some things, but do these unions really have the staying power to do anything? Is there going to be anyone keeping these unions going as staff turn over? Are these workers looking to turn Coffee Barista into something like an factory-worker lifelong career?

As much as Starbucks is fighting this, I just don't see this particular labor market as spectacularly ripe for effective unionization beyond saying "our store made a union!" It seems like they're generating a lot of negative publicity over something that doesn't seem that big of a threat, mostly because it appears to personally irritate C-suite types.


Starbucks generally has a number of employees stay a long time, I know some that have stayed at Starbucks for 5+ years, especially if they are shift managers or higher. From a general sense, a union can be beneficial because it gives a stability to old and new workers by setting standards for workers. A good example are graduate student unions where people are only grad students for 2 to 5 years, but benefit from the standards negotiated by the union.
 
2022-10-15 5:16:29 PM  

OhioUGrad: Just in case you forget that beer snobs aren't the only insufferable douches, we present to you coffee snobs


You don't have to be a snob to know that Starbucks is garbage coffee
 
2022-10-15 9:28:40 PM  

TotallyHeadless: zbtop: Some thoughts...

Labor Unions generally work best in professions where long term employment is an expectation, in the sense that many Iron/Auto/Agricultural/etc Workers did that their entire careers, with a heavy emphasis on retirement and seniority, ensuring personal investment on the part of the workers and reliable output for Capital.

How long does the average starbucks "partner" work there? I imagine longer than some things, but do these unions really have the staying power to do anything? Is there going to be anyone keeping these unions going as staff turn over? Are these workers looking to turn Coffee Barista into something like an factory-worker lifelong career?

As much as Starbucks is fighting this, I just don't see this particular labor market as spectacularly ripe for effective unionization beyond saying "our store made a union!" It seems like they're generating a lot of negative publicity over something that doesn't seem that big of a threat, mostly because it appears to personally irritate C-suite types.

Starbucks generally has a number of employees stay a long time, I know some that have stayed at Starbucks for 5+ years, especially if they are shift managers or higher. From a general sense, a union can be beneficial because it gives a stability to old and new workers by setting standards for workers. A good example are graduate student unions where people are only grad students for 2 to 5 years, but benefit from the standards negotiated by the union.


That's Management's job, not the union's.
 
2022-10-15 9:34:27 PM  

Bob Falfa: TotallyHeadless: zbtop: Some thoughts...

Labor Unions generally work best in professions where long term employment is an expectation, in the sense that many Iron/Auto/Agricultural/etc Workers did that their entire careers, with a heavy emphasis on retirement and seniority, ensuring personal investment on the part of the workers and reliable output for Capital.

How long does the average starbucks "partner" work there? I imagine longer than some things, but do these unions really have the staying power to do anything? Is there going to be anyone keeping these unions going as staff turn over? Are these workers looking to turn Coffee Barista into something like an factory-worker lifelong career?

As much as Starbucks is fighting this, I just don't see this particular labor market as spectacularly ripe for effective unionization beyond saying "our store made a union!" It seems like they're generating a lot of negative publicity over something that doesn't seem that big of a threat, mostly because it appears to personally irritate C-suite types.

Starbucks generally has a number of employees stay a long time, I know some that have stayed at Starbucks for 5+ years, especially if they are shift managers or higher. From a general sense, a union can be beneficial because it gives a stability to old and new workers by setting standards for workers. A good example are graduate student unions where people are only grad students for 2 to 5 years, but benefit from the standards negotiated by the union.

That's Management's job, not the union's.


Yeah, that's why unions exist--because managers are not doing their jobs in properly (and fairly) managing their workers.
 
2022-10-16 8:25:00 AM  
I am glad he came out and said what he did.   It's devastating for Starbucks on a national scale.   I am glad I don't go there.

I will happily drink my Death Wish coffee I brew myself in a French Press.  I can see sounds!

/coffee butter.
//Folgers is good through the press, too!
 
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