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(AsiaOne)   Taiwan warns that China is taking copious notes on Putin's blunders in Ukraine, hoping to do better in their planned conquest of island: "cognitive warfare, grey zone activities and other hybrid methods"   (asiaone.com) divider line
    More: Obvious, World War II, TAIPEI- China, Taiwan, military activities, military exercises, Republic of China, hybrid warfare, grey zone  
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448 clicks; posted to Politics » on 14 Oct 2022 at 4:50 AM (15 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-10-14 4:59:47 AM  
This feels like it's for local consumption. China's sabre rattling has dropped off a cliff over the last couple of months. I would be nervous of the location of Chinese armoured divisions if I was Putin. Xi might be thinking of liberating Russian held Manchuria if they don't test a nuke within the next month or so, proving they have some that still work.
 
2022-10-14 5:14:31 AM  
If anything, China's waiting 2 years to help get a GOP puppet elected president. We can look forward to Hunter Biden's 2nd laptop in Taiwan.
 
2022-10-14 5:20:22 AM  
"Don't get High on your own vatnik supply" is pretty easy advice though.
 
2022-10-14 5:22:42 AM  
Which is why it's so important for the West to show a united and firm front against Russia's belligerence.  China may be counting on us not being directly involved if they invade Taiwan, but they may think twice if they know Taiwan will have access to the spectrum of Western firepower.  They're counting on our reliance on their industry to avoid too many sanctions, so we need to support those countries weathering a lack of Russian oil to show we can work around it.
 
2022-10-14 5:36:14 AM  

Summoner101: Which is why it's so important for the West to show a united and firm front against Russia's belligerence.  China may be counting on us not being directly involved if they invade Taiwan, but they may think twice if they know Taiwan will have access to the spectrum of Western firepower.  They're counting on our reliance on their industry to avoid too many sanctions, so we need to support those countries weathering a lack of Russian oil to show we can work around it.


How would "western firepower" make it to Taiwan, exactly?

China would blockade the island on the very first day of hostilities. Nothing in or out.
 
2022-10-14 5:38:32 AM  

Shaggy_C: How would "western firepower" make it to Taiwan, exactly?


You're kidding, right?
 
2022-10-14 6:08:03 AM  
They're basically bullies. Nuke them.
 
2022-10-14 6:14:29 AM  

Shaggy_C: Summoner101: Which is why it's so important for the West to show a united and firm front against Russia's belligerence.  China may be counting on us not being directly involved if they invade Taiwan, but they may think twice if they know Taiwan will have access to the spectrum of Western firepower.  They're counting on our reliance on their industry to avoid too many sanctions, so we need to support those countries weathering a lack of Russian oil to show we can work around it.

How would "western firepower" make it to Taiwan, exactly?

China would blockade the island on the very first day of hostilities. Nothing in or out.


And the US would sink every ship in that blockade without even trying.
 
2022-10-14 6:26:49 AM  

Shaggy_C: Summoner101: Which is why it's so important for the West to show a united and firm front against Russia's belligerence.  China may be counting on us not being directly involved if they invade Taiwan, but they may think twice if they know Taiwan will have access to the spectrum of Western firepower.  They're counting on our reliance on their industry to avoid too many sanctions, so we need to support those countries weathering a lack of Russian oil to show we can work around it.

How would "western firepower" make it to Taiwan, exactly?

China would blockade the island on the very first day of hostilities. Nothing in or out.


Likewise, China is sort of borked at landing an invasion force. Much like Elvis, China needs boats. Specifically to land troops and equipment that would be vulnerable while making the crossing. They have warships, but troop carriers they're not so well equipped. Plus, historically, China has had some issues with large scale operations. They're STILL stinging over the Divine Wind that shielded Japan, not once but twice, and that was back in the days of the Mongols. Pirates they can do. They're feeling good about defending their coastal waters, and shelling targets inland. But troop movements on a massive scale isn't something that they want to do without guarantees there would be no interference.

Given the chip manufacture processes that Taiwan has now, they are making themselves integral to a lot of nations, and that makes them a big target, and gives Taiwan a LOT of potential allies. And there are few folks anywhere in the world that want to rely on the PRC for that kind of tech. Just too much potential for political headaches. Taiwan represents far more than just a wayward province, lost from the fold. It is a powerhouse for finance and innovative manufacturing that China really wants under their control.
 
2022-10-14 6:30:31 AM  
China can just send soldiers to Taiwan until the island is wall-to-wall Chinese soldiers if they really want to. Its impractical, but it would certainly work. Conquest by mass!
 
2022-10-14 6:45:19 AM  

Gyrfalcon: China can just send soldiers to Taiwan until the island is wall-to-wall Chinese soldiers if they really want to. Its impractical, but it would certainly work. Conquest by mass!


China is really in a quandary with an invasion of Taiwan because they can't exactly bomb the sh*t out of them. They want the infrastructure. They want the industry. They need the financial centers intact. They need in the industrial complexes and machinery, because there are things therein they don't even have the tools to make the tools to restore them if they get damaged. Like it's years away for them to come close enough without the engineers that created the tech. They just go in killing folks willy-nilly, they are reducing Taiwan's value significantly. It's not like taking over a bunch of farms and tool and die shops. They NEED that educated, and more importantly, experienced work force. Where the financial institutions are concerned, they NEED the relationships that the banks have cultivated. As well as the records.

Taiwan is a rich target, but it taking it has to be done carefully. Not if they want their stuff. The BEST way for China to do so is through political means, so that the transfer is peaceful and there is very little damage done to any structures of import. Killing off the workers is not something they can really afford either, because they could replace them, but training them up to standards is going to take time. Which means that they've damaged their own possessions in grabbing it.
 
2022-10-14 7:08:12 AM  

Olthoi: And the US would sink every ship in that blockade without even trying.


Sort of like how the USA protected Ukraine's airspace? You got the "Without even trying" part right at least.
 
2022-10-14 7:13:13 AM  
1) Don't report to using combat minivans.
2) Don't have your generals communicating over public WiFi.
3) Tell your troops they're invading before they cross the border.
 
2022-10-14 7:15:45 AM  

Shaggy_C: Summoner101: Which is why it's so important for the West to show a united and firm front against Russia's belligerence.  China may be counting on us not being directly involved if they invade Taiwan, but they may think twice if they know Taiwan will have access to the spectrum of Western firepower.  They're counting on our reliance on their industry to avoid too many sanctions, so we need to support those countries weathering a lack of Russian oil to show we can work around it.

How would "western firepower" make it to Taiwan, exactly?

China would blockade the island on the very first day of hostilities. Nothing in or out.


lots of ordnance is already there, so what with dodging missiles inbound from Taiwan there's the issue of shiat flying in from the various assets of the US, Japan and Australia.
also they'll have the issue of being under an oil embargo as all China bound tankers get held up in the Indian Ocean.
 
2022-10-14 7:26:56 AM  

hubiestubert: Likewise, China is sort of borked at landing an invasion force. Much like Elvis, China needs boats. Specifically to land troops and equipment that would be vulnerable while making the crossing. They have warships, but troop carriers they're not so well equipped. Plus, historically, China has had some issues with large scale operations. They're STILL stinging over the Divine Wind that shielded Japan, not once but twice, and that was back in the days of the Mongols. Pirates they can do. They're feeling good about defending their coastal waters, and shelling targets inland. But troop movements on a massive scale isn't something that they want to do without guarantees there would be no interference.

Given the chip manufacture processes that Taiwan has now, they are making themselves integral to a lot of nations, and that makes them a big target, and gives Taiwan a LOT of potential allies. And there are few folks anywhere in the world that want to rely on the PRC for that kind of tech. Just too much potential for political headaches. Taiwan represents far more than just a wayward province, lost from the fold. It is a powerhouse for finance and innovative manufacturing that China really wants under their control.


Yep, I just can't see an actual invasion making much sense. The very things that make Taiwan (err...Chinese Taipei?) a valuable target would be destroyed in the process. Far more likely to have a "naval siege" of sorts where they try to starve out the island and take it with minimal damage.
 
2022-10-14 7:52:17 AM  

Gyrfalcon: China can just send soldiers to Taiwan until the island is wall-to-wall Chinese soldiers if they really want to. Its impractical, but it would certainly work. Conquest by mass!


How do they get there? It's a long way to swim.
 
2022-10-14 8:11:03 AM  

Gyrfalcon: China can just send soldiers to Taiwan until the island is wall-to-wall Chinese soldiers if they really want to. Its impractical, but it would certainly work. Conquest by mass!


Except they dont have any troop carriers so theyll have to build a bridge out of half the troops first. Witch they could do.
 
2022-10-14 8:27:42 AM  
It's an island.

All they have to do is surround it and say, "Ya'll surrender?"
 
2022-10-14 8:54:19 AM  

Shaggy_C: Sort of like how the USA protected Ukraine's airspace? You got the "Without even trying" part right at least.


Russians were expected to have air superiority over all of Ukraine within days. Half a year later they can't even fly above tree-top altitude over the territoriy they do control. Some of that's pluck, but quite a bit of it is Western-provided intelligence, MANPADs, and anti-air units.

All that said, we should be pre-helping Taiwan more. Send them the Javelins and whatnot before they're needed, as a deterrent.
 
2022-10-14 9:46:13 AM  
I think after watching the clusterfark in Ukraine, China's Generals are pretty confident that Taiwan is more valuable as a permanent nemesis than as an conquered land. No amount of clever is going to get masses of troops over 100 miles of water. No amount of electronic shenanigans is going to counter multiple US carrier groups bombing the Chinese coastline non-stop.

And at this point the Chinese can build ships. They still haven't invested in the facilities to actually maintain and repair those ships.
 
2022-10-14 10:31:39 AM  
China could hardly do worse.  Sadly, Taiwan is doomed.
 
2022-10-14 10:46:55 AM  

Shaggy_C: Summoner101: Which is why it's so important for the West to show a united and firm front against Russia's belligerence.  China may be counting on us not being directly involved if they invade Taiwan, but they may think twice if they know Taiwan will have access to the spectrum of Western firepower.  They're counting on our reliance on their industry to avoid too many sanctions, so we need to support those countries weathering a lack of Russian oil to show we can work around it.

How would "western firepower" make it to Taiwan, exactly?

China would blockade the island on the very first day of hostilities. Nothing in or out.


You seem to be under the assumption that the US Navy would have to sail out of Pearl Harbor in response to any Chinese threat, instead of having forward bases in Japan and South Korea, and also constantly having carrier groups on patrol in the Western Pacific.
 
2022-10-14 11:15:49 AM  

Arkanaut: Shaggy_C: Summoner101: Which is why it's so important for the West to show a united and firm front against Russia's belligerence.  China may be counting on us not being directly involved if they invade Taiwan, but they may think twice if they know Taiwan will have access to the spectrum of Western firepower.  They're counting on our reliance on their industry to avoid too many sanctions, so we need to support those countries weathering a lack of Russian oil to show we can work around it.

How would "western firepower" make it to Taiwan, exactly?

China would blockade the island on the very first day of hostilities. Nothing in or out.

You seem to be under the assumption that the US Navy would have to sail out of Pearl Harbor in response to any Chinese threat, instead of having forward bases in Japan and South Korea, and also constantly having carrier groups on patrol in the Western Pacific.


Not to mention substantial facilities on Guam and the ability to reactivate a lot of major bases in the Philippines is it looks like it's going to be a long war.
 
2022-10-14 11:48:58 AM  
The difference is that FOX News won't be in their corner.
 
2022-10-14 11:49:25 AM  

thealgorerhythm: Gyrfalcon: China can just send soldiers to Taiwan until the island is wall-to-wall Chinese soldiers if they really want to. Its impractical, but it would certainly work. Conquest by mass!

Except they dont have any troop carriers so theyll have to build a bridge out of half the troops first. Witch they could do.


It's not like they don't have bodies to spare.
 
2022-10-14 7:40:39 PM  
Speaking of Vatniks, Hi Shaggy!
 
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