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2022-10-13 9:03:32 PM  
Did they hold 'em?
 
2022-10-13 9:52:02 PM  
They did not know when to run.
 
2022-10-13 9:54:39 PM  
Freedom
 
2022-10-13 9:58:43 PM  
So an illegal gambling operation was opened 10 months ago and was attended by the mayor at the ribbon cutting, and was raided now?

And this apparently isn't rare, and there are lots of poker clubs in Texas that just openly flout the law until the wrong person gets pissed off for some reason?

Am I understanding this correctly? Because WTF?
 
2022-10-13 10:01:14 PM  

nmrsnr: So an illegal gambling operation was opened 10 months ago and was attended by the mayor at the ribbon cutting, and was raided now?

And this apparently isn't rare, and there are lots of poker clubs in Texas that just openly flout the law until the wrong person gets pissed off for some reason?

Am I understanding this correctly? Because WTF?


How do you know it's illegal? And no, "police say" isn't a valid proof
 
2022-10-13 10:10:41 PM  
I had my first court appearance in Wutagua. Got caught by the local police after curfew. Got the ticket dismissed, but seriously, fark that place.
 
2022-10-13 10:40:52 PM  
Can we get a list of the arrestees?
 
2022-10-13 11:51:20 PM  

Gubbo: How do you know it's illegal


From a linked article: "In the state of Texas, gambling is illegal, but there is a loophole in Texas Penal Code 47.04, which permits poker clubs to operate so long as there is no "economic benefit other than personal winnings" received from the games. One way to ensure a poker business in the Lone Star State is operating illegally is to take rake out of cash game pots. Thus, rooms across the state operate as social clubs and make their money by charging membership and seat fees instead of collecting rake. Still, there are lawmakers in Texas who argue that card rooms such as Texas Card House, which operates four poker clubs across the state, are receiving an "economic benefit" even if rake isn't part of the business model."

So it's kind of like the pot dispensaries here in DC. You're not allowed to sell marijuana, but you are allowed to give away small quantities, so the dispensaries sell you a $40 T-shirt with a "free gift." Nobody thinks it's a real defense, but the city also doesn't actually want to enforce the law, so nobody cares.
 
2022-10-14 12:12:58 AM  

nmrsnr: Gubbo: How do you know it's illegal

From a linked article: "In the state of Texas, gambling is illegal, but there is a loophole in Texas Penal Code 47.04, which permits poker clubs to operate so long as there is no "economic benefit other than personal winnings" received from the games. One way to ensure a poker business in the Lone Star State is operating illegally is to take rake out of cash game pots. Thus, rooms across the state operate as social clubs and make their money by charging membership and seat fees instead of collecting rake. Still, there are lawmakers in Texas who argue that card rooms such as Texas Card House, which operates four poker clubs across the state, are receiving an "economic benefit" even if rake isn't part of the business model."

So it's kind of like the pot dispensaries here in DC. You're not allowed to sell marijuana, but you are allowed to give away small quantities, so the dispensaries sell you a $40 T-shirt with a "free gift." Nobody thinks it's a real defense, but the city also doesn't actually want to enforce the law, so nobody cares.


Sounds like it's going to be up to a jury to decide if it is illegal or not.

Isn't it pesky when interpretations get in the way of the nanny state of Texas
 
2022-10-14 2:37:34 AM  
As it stands, poker social clubs operate throughout Texas and are subject to primarily city and county authorities. Most law enforcement seems to accept the rooms without much resistance, but raids in certain jurisdictions have occurred.

Unequal enforcement of the law. How unusual.
 
2022-10-14 2:39:23 AM  
Texas, land of freedom from government oversight as long as you agree with the puritanical beliefs enshrined into law.
 
2022-10-14 2:43:24 AM  

nmrsnr: Gubbo: How do you know it's illegal

From a linked article: "In the state of Texas, gambling is illegal, but there is a loophole in Texas Penal Code 47.04, which permits poker clubs to operate so long as there is no "economic benefit other than personal winnings" received from the games. One way to ensure a poker business in the Lone Star State is operating illegally is to take rake out of cash game pots. Thus, rooms across the state operate as social clubs and make their money by charging membership and seat fees instead of collecting rake. Still, there are lawmakers in Texas who argue that card rooms such as Texas Card House, which operates four poker clubs across the state, are receiving an "economic benefit" even if rake isn't part of the business model."

So it's kind of like the pot dispensaries here in DC. You're not allowed to sell marijuana, but you are allowed to give away small quantities, so the dispensaries sell you a $40 T-shirt with a "free gift." Nobody thinks it's a real defense, but the city also doesn't actually want to enforce the law, so nobody cares.


In Japan, where gambling is usually illegal, Pachinko parlors allow gamblers to win non-cash prizes, which winners go to a separate but associated location to sell for cash.
 
2022-10-14 2:51:57 AM  

question_dj: I had my first court appearance in Wutagua. Got caught by the local police after curfew. Got the ticket dismissed, but seriously, fark that place.


Wait...curfew??


Poker clubs, and the occasional raids that accompany them, have been in a thing in Tx for literally decades. Not sure why this particular one is making the news, other than maybe having a little more notoriety than some others. And it's not like gambling being illegal is an inconvenience unique to Texas.

At any rate, Watauga is a 1 hour shot up I-35 to Winstar, which I suspect is as liberal with donations to law enforcement in DFW as they are with their billboard advertising spending. So this one was only a matter of time.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2022-10-14 2:52:51 AM  
They were incredibly stupid, everyone.  If there was a native Texan in the bunch I can't believe he didn't mention at some point that this is probably, surely, definitely, the kind of thing you can't do.

No one involved here needed criminal charges or their fingerprints taken downtown.  That's as powerdumb as trying to pull this off.
 
2022-10-14 2:57:32 AM  
So what they are saying is gambling is legal...FOR A PRICE.. You either pay off someone to keep
looking the other way, or they come in and close the place down for vague technicalities in the law
wording...Well that doesn't sound AT ALL like legal mafia level extortion...

It's a good thing that Big Gub'ment isn't prying into peoples lives and finances and holding them down
from their freedums...

/I would bet you if Texas had more open minded legislature, things like gambling wouldn't be a problem.
// because the people that scream about "Freedums!" are more about telling others what those are
/// of a kind
 
433 [TotalFark]
2022-10-14 3:00:00 AM  
Oh you know, I didn't realize at first this was just a poker club.  That's already a lot like running a head shop quite some time ago, but come on, guys, seizing cash and milking more out of the players and attendants?

Also we have a terrible state government, if you want to talk more about the place...
 
2022-10-14 3:10:55 AM  
I'm all in.
 
2022-10-14 3:12:47 AM  
Talk about a flop.
 
2022-10-14 3:17:39 AM  

nmrsnr: So an illegal gambling operation was opened 10 months ago and was attended by the mayor at the ribbon cutting, and was raided now?

And this apparently isn't rare, and there are lots of poker clubs in Texas that just openly flout the law until the wrong person gets pissed off for some reason?

Am I understanding this correctly? Because WTF?


Texas: It's 1850 everyday
 
2022-10-14 3:19:52 AM  
Mayor attends opening, then cops raid it?

Perhaps the chief didn't get his cut...
 
2022-10-14 3:20:05 AM  
I'm going to splash the pot.

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433 [TotalFark]
2022-10-14 3:28:04 AM  

Badafuco: I'm going to splash the pot.

[Fark user image 200x84]


That's not the GIF I would choose to match that phrase, but OK
 
2022-10-14 3:31:35 AM  
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2022-10-14 3:38:39 AM  
I bet it's illegal rake they got shut down for. Or more likely failure of the organisers to "sell" enough "tickets" to the ""Peace" Officers' "Annual Ball"" as part of their "goodwill" with law enforcement.

If it's a rake issue, it's the same as here in SA. Public and private poker tournaments (and even private cash games) can be played perfectly legally, as long as there's a 100% return of entry fees or rebuys to players.

So, organisers go to pubs, hold a tournament to attract people, and get paid by the pub based on the number of drinks and meals bought by players. They then don't need a rake, pubs get additional people in, etc.

Though it's difficult, most poker players around here are farking stingy, miserable assholes who rarely buy anything. There have been times where I've sat through a four hour tournament and I'm the only one with anything but water in front of me. Not even a soft drink or token glass of booze. Half of them claim it's because they don't want alcohol to impact their game. Seriously, it's like a $15 buy in, and half the people here are already stoned off their nut and the other have no idea what they're doing You don't need *THAT* much of an edge you can't have one beer.
 
2022-10-14 3:39:43 AM  
Years ago, I was offered a lucrative job running one of these 'social clubs' down in the Houston, TX area.

Combine the oppressive heat, relocating 2250 miles, and that crap like this made it an (almost) easy decision.

Throw in that I don't speak Spanish and don't sound like I'm from those parts...

/Took French in high school for the easy 'A'...
 
2022-10-14 3:41:38 AM  

question_dj: I had my first court appearance in Wutagua. Got caught by the local police after curfew. Got the ticket dismissed, but seriously, fark that place.


Curfew? Is that for minors? Weird. Don't think I've ever lived in a place with a curfew.
And, if it is for minors, why are they dragging children to court for something like that?
 
2022-10-14 3:41:45 AM  
So, liquor in the front, and poker in the rear?
 
2022-10-14 4:08:59 AM  

No Catchy Nickname: question_dj: I had my first court appearance in Wutagua. Got caught by the local police after curfew. Got the ticket dismissed, but seriously, fark that place.

Curfew? Is that for minors? Weird. Don't think I've ever lived in a place with a curfew.
And, if it is for minors, why are they dragging children to court for something like that?


Yep, TX law allows individual towns and cities to enforce curfews against minors.

Bonus nanny state points:  the minors can be tried as adults, and their adult guardians can also be tried.

/freedumb
 
2022-10-14 4:09:13 AM  

Mad-n-FL: So, liquor in the front, and poker in the rear?


No
 
2022-10-14 4:47:12 AM  
Funny how the "freedom" states have a fark ton of "you can't do that".
 
2022-10-14 4:58:24 AM  

PunGent: No Catchy Nickname: question_dj: I had my first court appearance in Wutagua. Got caught by the local police after curfew. Got the ticket dismissed, but seriously, fark that place.

Curfew? Is that for minors? Weird. Don't think I've ever lived in a place with a curfew.
And, if it is for minors, why are they dragging children to court for something like that?

Yep, TX law allows individual towns and cities to enforce curfews against minors.

Bonus nanny state points:  the minors can be tried as adults, and their adult guardians can also be tried.

/freedumb


Freedumb, indeed.

Curfew because you're a minor...but charged as an adult for breaking curfew.

How does that make any sense?
 
2022-10-14 5:11:06 AM  
I guess we got to see that tide turn.

Perhaps someone will go up the river for this one.

Kind of a kick in the nuts.

I can see someone who's winnings went down the toilet with a big flush.

I imagine the police came in all suited up.

I wonder who fingered the joint, who pushed the button, who made those connectors.

Perhaps the police were the only ones with bullets this time around.

At least the police didn't have to shoot, someone would have had a gut shot, almost certainly. If it had happened, the medics might have had to hold a dead man's hand to get him to the morgue.

Overall, this raid surely served as a big blocker on this kind of action in the area.

/got nothin' else.
 
2022-10-14 5:13:37 AM  

433: Badafuco: I'm going to splash the pot.

[Fark user image 200x84]

That's not the GIF I would choose to match that phrase, but OK


What GIF would you choose for splashing the pot?
 
2022-10-14 5:18:56 AM  
It's too bad there are so few poker jokes.
 
2022-10-14 5:22:40 AM  
Sounds like the police heard about the 100k prize and decided they deserved it more than the players.

"Small government" indeed.
 
2022-10-14 6:01:29 AM  

wingedkat: Sounds like the police heard about the 100k prize and decided they deserved it more than the players.

"Small government" indeed.


I think the right thinks 'small' means the number of people running the government, not the total amount of control.
They want BIG amount of control, small amount of people running the place.
With them doing the running, I mean.
 
2022-10-14 6:29:09 AM  

No Catchy Nickname: PunGent: No Catchy Nickname: question_dj: I had my first court appearance in Wutagua. Got caught by the local police after curfew. Got the ticket dismissed, but seriously, fark that place.

Curfew? Is that for minors? Weird. Don't think I've ever lived in a place with a curfew.
And, if it is for minors, why are they dragging children to court for something like that?

Yep, TX law allows individual towns and cities to enforce curfews against minors.

Bonus nanny state points:  the minors can be tried as adults, and their adult guardians can also be tried.

/freedumb

Freedumb, indeed.

Curfew because you're a minor...but charged as an adult for breaking curfew.

How does that make any sense?


Have you tried balancing your town budget WITHOUT screwing poor colored people?  It's hard out there for a white man...

/see also:  Ferguson, MO
//heard Loretta Lynch the other night, their former financial shenanigans were among her topics
///they were also screwing poor white folks, to be fair
 
2022-10-14 6:44:26 AM  

Badafuco: 433: Badafuco: I'm going to splash the pot.

[Fark user image 200x84]

That's not the GIF I would choose to match that phrase, but OK

What GIF would you choose for splashing the pot?


I'm thinking it involves a toilet and is NSFL.
 
2022-10-14 7:08:54 AM  

olrasputin: question_dj: I had my first court appearance in Wutagua. Got caught by the local police after curfew. Got the ticket dismissed, but seriously, fark that place.

Wait...curfew??


Poker clubs, and the occasional raids that accompany them, have been in a thing in Tx for literally decades. Not sure why this particular one is making the news, other than maybe having a little more notoriety than some others. And it's not like gambling being illegal is an inconvenience unique to Texas.

At any rate, Watauga is a 1 hour shot up I-35 to Winstar, which I suspect is as liberal with donations to law enforcement in DFW as they are with their billboard advertising spending. So this one was only a matter of time.


Yeah, I was like 14 or 15. And here in Texas, at least DFW, there are curfew laws where the children can't be outside because reasons.

And honestly, we were going to TP someone's house.
 
2022-10-14 7:19:08 AM  
Hang on.  Aren't these clubs not actually gambling, but entering like a competition, where you get so many tokens and then play poker until one person has all the tokens, then they win the competition?  So no actual gambling for money is going on, just a poker competition.
 
2022-10-14 7:30:10 AM  
In the middle of TFA:

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2022-10-14 7:42:47 AM  

nmrsnr: So an illegal gambling operation was opened 10 months ago and was attended by the mayor at the ribbon cutting, and was raided now?

And this apparently isn't rare, and there are lots of poker clubs in Texas that just openly flout the law until the wrong person gets pissed off for some reason?

Am I understanding this correctly? Because WTF?


Someone didn't get invited, hugged, or paid.
 
2022-10-14 7:43:38 AM  

question_dj: I had my first court appearance in Wutagua. Got caught by the local police after curfew. Got the ticket dismissed, but seriously, fark that place.


Curfew?
 
2022-10-14 7:44:29 AM  

PunGent: No Catchy Nickname: question_dj: I had my first court appearance in Wutagua. Got caught by the local police after curfew. Got the ticket dismissed, but seriously, fark that place.

Curfew? Is that for minors? Weird. Don't think I've ever lived in a place with a curfew.
And, if it is for minors, why are they dragging children to court for something like that?

Yep, TX law allows individual towns and cities to enforce curfews against minors.

Bonus nanny state points:  the minors can be tried as adults, and their adult guardians can also be tried.

/freedumb


Yeah they made that legal when I was in high school. Kept arresting LARPers.
 
2022-10-14 8:00:34 AM  
There's a fellow I listen to on a station out of Houston.  He pointed out in the past that any time an attempt was made to legalize gambling, strangely enough lobbyists from every state bordering Texas (where coincidentally gambling IS legal) converged on Austin, next thing you know, the legislation was never heard from again.  Same thing eerily happens there when a lawmaker proposes some form of marijuana legalization.
It's really bizarre how Texas' capitol city becomes a tourist mecca for lobbyists.
 
2022-10-14 8:28:56 AM  

Langdon_777: Hang on.  Aren't these clubs not actually gambling, but entering like a competition, where you get so many tokens and then play poker until one person has all the tokens, then they win the competition?  So no actual gambling for money is going on, just a poker competition.


Yes of course. In related news, hunting is a sport but your opponent isn't aware that they're playing.
 
2022-10-14 8:30:24 AM  

question_dj: I had my first court appearance in Wutagua. Got caught by the local police after curfew. Got the ticket dismissed, but seriously, fark that place.


Curfew?

Was this during WW2?
 
2022-10-14 8:35:46 AM  
I'm thinking this isn't the version of Texas Hold Em they went there to play.
 
2022-10-14 8:36:00 AM  
Civil asset forfeiture is the game the cops play to enrich their departments.

The tournament attracted 369 entries who generated a $132,840 prize pool.

QED
 
2022-10-14 8:39:54 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: question_dj: I had my first court appearance in Wutagua. Got caught by the local police after curfew. Got the ticket dismissed, but seriously, fark that place.

Curfew?

Was this during WW2?


The 90s. 1990s.
 
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