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(NPR)   Men in unions earn an average of $1.3 million more in their lifetimes than men who aren't in one. What about women, you ask? LOL, there aren't any women in unions   (npr.org) divider line
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2022-10-13 1:53:50 PM  
public school teachers... some are men, some are women... almost all are union
(if you think public school teachers are underpaid, just take a glance at the private school, non union, teachers)
 
2022-10-13 1:54:52 PM  
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All you need to know about unions. And if you don't join up, you're a fool.
 
2022-10-13 2:04:39 PM  
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2022-10-13 2:07:53 PM  
hospital maintenance contract called for their workers to earn anywhere from 18-20 dollars an hour.  after this contract was signed for 5 years, the hospital announced all the lowest paying jobs that paid approx 10 an hour was going to be increased to 15-16 an hour.

the union cried foul since the food service and housekeeping workers were almost making what a plumber or electrician was making.  they went to court and lost.  a contract is a contract.  the grass isn't always greener on the other side.
 
2022-10-13 2:14:52 PM  
No women in unions, you say?  What about all those sexy carnival girls marching through Philadelphia every New Year's Day? ;-)

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2022-10-13 2:20:21 PM  
Have the women and womxn form a union.  Then go on strike until the government gives them each 1.3 million dollars.  Problem solved.

Make it a sex strike.  Make the lesbians the only people having sex until the overmasters give in.

One or two weeks of the whole nation of men going without sex should be enough to break them.  Sure the incels won't notice a difference, but the elites will.  Imagine if all of a sudden the politicians couldn't get a beej from an intern.  If a movie star went a few days without a harem of groupies opening their holes.  It would break the world engine.

Problem solved.
 
2022-10-13 2:47:32 PM  

COVID19: public school teachers... some are men, some are women... almost all are union
(if you think public school teachers are underpaid, just take a glance at the private school, non union, teachers)


And most government employees. My wife works for the State. The salary is mediocre, but the benefits are great.
 
2022-10-13 2:50:22 PM  
Majority of unionized healthcare workers are women.
 
2022-10-13 3:21:26 PM  
The sample consists only of men because women earners are categorized as "spouse" in the PSID, and data on spouses only began being collected consistently in 1979, the researchers said.

This gives me the utmost confidence in the validity of this data.
 
2022-10-13 3:54:32 PM  
FTFA:  Men with no college degree who have been in a union at least half their career had expected earnings of $1.96 million by age 65, while those with no college degree who have never been in a union or been in one less than half of their career have projected earnings of about $1.5 million.

I haven't been been in a a union for at least half my career so maybe that's why I can't see where the $1.3 million difference occurs.
 
2022-10-13 3:59:57 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Have the women and womxn form a union.  Then go on strike until the government gives them each 1.3 million dollars.  Problem solved.

Make it a sex strike.  Make the lesbians the only people having sex until the overmasters give in.

One or two weeks of the whole nation of men going without sex should be enough to break them.  Sure the incels won't notice a difference, but the elites will.  Imagine if all of a sudden the politicians couldn't get a beej from an intern.  If a movie star went a few days without a harem of groupies opening their holes.  It would break the world engine.

Problem solved.


The benefits of a classical education.
 
2022-10-13 4:05:25 PM  
However.... your results may vary.... FTA:

Men with no college degree who have been in a union at least half their career had expected earnings of $1.96 million by age 65, while those with no college degree who have never been in a union or been in one less than half of their career have projected earnings of about $1.5 million.

Inversely, people with college degrees who have been in a union for more than half their careers made less ($2.16 million) than those with college degrees who have never been in a union ($2.67 million), "likely because of the association of union membership and occupations worked," the study says.


So evidently the UAW and Teamsters rock, while the Teachers Associations and other "Professional" unions are doing a disservice to their members.
 
2022-10-13 4:44:20 PM  

ltdanman44: hospital maintenance contract called for their workers to earn anywhere from 18-20 dollars an hour.  after this contract was signed for 5 years, the hospital announced all the lowest paying jobs that paid approx 10 an hour was going to be increased to 15-16 an hour.

the union cried foul since the food service and housekeeping workers were almost making what a plumber or electrician was making.  they went to court and lost.  a contract is a contract.  the grass isn't always greener on the other side.


This is why lots of union contracts have wage increased tied to increases of state minimum wages - when it goes up, so does their pay.

Starbucks is playing this game by telling baristas who vote for a union that corporate will offer higher wages to non-union stores and "Whoops, you guys signed a contract and we can't offer you these same wages because that would violate your contract!"

That union needs to have a contract with wages tied wages of other hospital workers as a wage floor, I.E., the wage floor of maintenance shall be $X per hour greater than the lowest paid employee at the hospital. Or "Any pay increase granted to non-union employees shall be mirrored by an equal pay increase for union employees."
 
2022-10-13 4:48:02 PM  
I think everyone pretty much took care of the "no women in unions" thing.

Though I don't think anyone mentioned the unions in the entertainment field, chock full of women. SAG-AFTRA, Writer's Guild, Director's Guild, etc.

Honestly, submitter's comment is a weird flex. We've seen unions led by women making news fairly recently. Flight attendants. Teachers.

Does submitter actually think there are no women in unions?
 
2022-10-13 5:31:41 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I think everyone pretty much took care of the "no women in unions" thing.

Though I don't think anyone mentioned the unions in the entertainment field, chock full of women. SAG-AFTRA, Writer's Guild, Director's Guild, etc.

Honestly, submitter's comment is a weird flex. We've seen unions led by women making news fairly recently. Flight attendants. Teachers.

Does submitter actually think there are no women in unions?


It's such a ridiculous statement that I assumed subby was sarcastically criticizing what is obviously outdated data, since "the sample consists only of men because women earners are categorized as 'spouse.'"
 
2022-10-13 5:34:48 PM  
Wow, what are some other meaningless comparisons they could make? And how high would a stack of two-dollar bills worth 1.3 million USD stand?
 
2022-10-13 7:00:04 PM  

ltdanman44: hospital maintenance contract called for their workers to earn anywhere from 18-20 dollars an hour.  after this contract was signed for 5 years, the hospital announced all the lowest paying jobs that paid approx 10 an hour was going to be increased to 15-16 an hour.

the union cried foul since the food service and housekeeping workers were almost making what a plumber or electrician was making.  they went to court and lost.  a contract is a contract.  the grass isn't always greener on the other side.


Of all the things that didn't happen, I doubt this happened the most.
 
2022-10-13 7:12:44 PM  

BumpInTheNight: ltdanman44: hospital maintenance contract called for their workers to earn anywhere from 18-20 dollars an hour.  after this contract was signed for 5 years, the hospital announced all the lowest paying jobs that paid approx 10 an hour was going to be increased to 15-16 an hour.

the union cried foul since the food service and housekeeping workers were almost making what a plumber or electrician was making.  they went to court and lost.  a contract is a contract.  the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Of all the things that didn't happen, I doubt this happened the most.


well your wrong

https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2021/08/23/summa-health-joins-others-boost-minimum-wage-15-hour/8192235002/
 
2022-10-13 7:25:16 PM  

ltdanman44: BumpInTheNight: ltdanman44: hospital maintenance contract called for their workers to earn anywhere from 18-20 dollars an hour.  after this contract was signed for 5 years, the hospital announced all the lowest paying jobs that paid approx 10 an hour was going to be increased to 15-16 an hour.

the union cried foul since the food service and housekeeping workers were almost making what a plumber or electrician was making.  they went to court and lost.  a contract is a contract.  the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Of all the things that didn't happen, I doubt this happened the most.

well your wrong

https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2021/08/23/summa-health-joins-others-boost-minimum-wage-15-hour/8192235002/


Where's the part about the union lawsuit?
 
2022-10-13 7:46:57 PM  

austerity101: ltdanman44: BumpInTheNight: ltdanman44: hospital maintenance contract called for their workers to earn anywhere from 18-20 dollars an hour.  after this contract was signed for 5 years, the hospital announced all the lowest paying jobs that paid approx 10 an hour was going to be increased to 15-16 an hour.

the union cried foul since the food service and housekeeping workers were almost making what a plumber or electrician was making.  they went to court and lost.  a contract is a contract.  the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Of all the things that didn't happen, I doubt this happened the most.

well your wrong

https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2021/08/23/summa-health-joins-others-boost-minimum-wage-15-hour/8192235002/

Where's the part about the union lawsuit?


Indeed, that's the part that sounds the most "capitalist ball-licker telling ooogaa-booga stories about why unions are bad" part of it.  Who signs a collective agreement for 5 years for a start?
 
2022-10-13 8:03:44 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Who signs a collective agreement for 5 years for a start?


If terms are generous, lots probably would.

I think when Chicago was bidding for the Olympics the city council made a long-term sweetheart deal with the police union because their contract was going to expire right before the Olympics and they didn't want picketing, "blue-flu" striking police officers on a world stage. They offered some big raises and COLA to get them to agree to like a 5-year deal.
 
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