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1051 clicks; posted to Business » on 13 Oct 2022 at 9:03 AM (22 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-10-13 9:16:47 AM  
BTC has no future.  Crypto and NFTs Jae popped.  But sure, put your retirement money in Bitcoin, pet rocks, cabbage patch kids, tulips, or beanie babies.  Better yet, buy up that cheap Florida coast.  Make sure to invest in Turkish Lira or Venezuelan Bolivars too.
401ks are a scam.
 
2022-10-13 9:20:28 AM  
$15k by tomorrow.

$10k by next week.
 
2022-10-13 9:36:12 AM  

Northern: BTC has no future.  Crypto and NFTs Jae popped.  But sure, put your retirement money in Bitcoin, pet rocks, cabbage patch kids, tulips, or beanie babies.  Better yet, buy up that cheap Florida coast.  Make sure to invest in Turkish Lira or Venezuelan Bolivars too.
401ks are a scam.


So, you're saying Pogs are still safe. Whew.
 
2022-10-13 9:42:02 AM  
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2022-10-13 10:01:39 AM  

Northern: BTC has no future.  Crypto and NFTs Jae popped.  But sure, put your retirement money in Bitcoin, pet rocks, cabbage patch kids, tulips, or beanie babies.  Better yet, buy up that cheap Florida coast.  Make sure to invest in Turkish Lira or Venezuelan Bolivars too.
401ks are a scam.


My mother in law has a large beanie baby collection. It's nice to know there's a secure future for our bloodline despite any shakeups in the market.
 
2022-10-13 10:06:44 AM  
Considering the value of most stocks are as about as disconnected from actual economic factors as Bitcoin, it's not that surprising.
 
2022-10-13 10:19:59 AM  
You can tell Bitcoin is OVER because of three in a row stories about it on Fark.
You can also tell how Trump is OVER as he dominates the Politics tab.
Also Musk is OVER, you can tell because almost every thread here mentions him.

We need to rethink what OVER means, I believe. Over, and out!
 
2022-10-13 10:32:25 AM  

Metaluna Mutant: Northern: BTC has no future.  Crypto and NFTs Jae popped.  But sure, put your retirement money in Bitcoin, pet rocks, cabbage patch kids, tulips, or beanie babies.  Better yet, buy up that cheap Florida coast.  Make sure to invest in Turkish Lira or Venezuelan Bolivars too.
401ks are a scam.

So, you're saying Pogs are still safe. Whew.


Depends on Pogs.
Charlie Brown Pogs? Get out now
Alf Pogs? Guaranteed to go up in value
Steve Allen Pog? You can't afford it, so don't worry about it
 
2022-10-13 10:50:48 AM  
It's hard to be volatile when only 5 people are using it.
 
2022-10-13 11:10:39 AM  
So I had been wondering if there was a chance the volatility would go away, people would stop speculating, the price would crash to some reasonable low value that made sense, and then it could start acting like an actual currency.  A stable medium of exchange.

But if I understand it correctly, there's a problem. There are 21 million bitcoins possible.  Let's say we envision Bitcoin achieving its proclaimed future as a currency, and it replaces just 10% of global money supply.  That's $10 trillion according to some googling.  Than would require a value of $477,000 per Bitcoin.  Current value of all 19 million or so mined Bitcoin is around $350 billion.

It seems to me that it's impossible for Bitcoin to be a viable alternative currency without an astronomical increase in value.  Is the idea that speculation will get us there, and then we can use it as a currency?  Or is the idea that demand as a currency will eventually increase the value and allow broader use?

Interestingly, there is also only about $10 trillion worth of gold around, and there's still people advocating a return to gold based money.  So are the people advocating for these limited money supplies thinking we're just going to have a round of massive deflation, and then everything will be good?  I'm guessing these advocates are also against fractional reserve banking (which would be impossible with a limited money supply?) because I'm sure they claim it causes inflation.  So what's that future look like?  The Middle Ages?
 
2022-10-13 11:15:21 AM  

pearls before swine: So I had been wondering if there was a chance the volatility would go away, people would stop speculating, the price would crash to some reasonable low value that made sense, and then it could start acting like an actual currency.  A stable medium of exchange.

But if I understand it correctly, there's a problem. There are 21 million bitcoins possible.  Let's say we envision Bitcoin achieving its proclaimed future as a currency, and it replaces just 10% of global money supply.  That's $10 trillion according to some googling.  Than would require a value of $477,000 per Bitcoin.  Current value of all 19 million or so mined Bitcoin is around $350 billion.

It seems to me that it's impossible for Bitcoin to be a viable alternative currency without an astronomical increase in value.  Is the idea that speculation will get us there, and then we can use it as a currency?  Or is the idea that demand as a currency will eventually increase the value and allow broader use?

Interestingly, there is also only about $10 trillion worth of gold around, and there's still people advocating a return to gold based money.  So are the people advocating for these limited money supplies thinking we're just going to have a round of massive deflation, and then everything will be good?  I'm guessing these advocates are also against fractional reserve banking (which would be impossible with a limited money supply?) because I'm sure they claim it causes inflation.  So what's that future look like?  The Middle Ages?


Yes
 
2022-10-13 11:31:35 AM  

NewportBarGuy: $15k by tomorrow.

$10k by next week.


Oh man, I would so take that bet.
 
2022-10-13 11:49:46 AM  

pearls before swine: So I had been wondering if there was a chance the volatility would go away, people would stop speculating, the price would crash to some reasonable low value that made sense, and then it could start acting like an actual currency.  A stable medium of exchange.

But if I understand it correctly, there's a problem. There are 21 million bitcoins possible.  Let's say we envision Bitcoin achieving its proclaimed future as a currency, and it replaces just 10% of global money supply.  That's $10 trillion according to some googling.  Than would require a value of $477,000 per Bitcoin.  Current value of all 19 million or so mined Bitcoin is around $350 billion.

It seems to me that it's impossible for Bitcoin to be a viable alternative currency without an astronomical increase in value.  Is the idea that speculation will get us there, and then we can use it as a currency?  Or is the idea that demand as a currency will eventually increase the value and allow broader use?

Interestingly, there is also only about $10 trillion worth of gold around, and there's still people advocating a return to gold based money.  So are the people advocating for these limited money supplies thinking we're just going to have a round of massive deflation, and then everything will be good?  I'm guessing these advocates are also against fractional reserve banking (which would be impossible with a limited money supply?) because I'm sure they claim it causes inflation.  So what's that future look like?  The Middle Ages?


15% of Bitcoin is owned by just 99 accounts.  94% of Bitcoin is owned by 2% of accounts.  Keep in mind, these are just accounts.  People often own more than one account.

I don't know where it goes from here.  Those people can't sell without destroying the price.
 
2022-10-13 12:19:27 PM  
Rapmaster2000:

15% of Bitcoin is owned by just 99 accounts.  94% of Bitcoin is owned by 2% of accounts.  Keep in mind, these are just accounts.  People often own more than one account.

I don't know where it goes from here.  Those people can't sell without destroying the price.


While that statement is factual, it is also misleading.  Most of the very large accounts are exchanges.  And those coins are split up by its customers.

It's like saying that 60% of US Dollars is owned by 50 companies (banks).
 
2022-10-13 1:22:13 PM  

Lord Bear: Rapmaster2000:

15% of Bitcoin is owned by just 99 accounts.  94% of Bitcoin is owned by 2% of accounts.  Keep in mind, these are just accounts.  People often own more than one account.

I don't know where it goes from here.  Those people can't sell without destroying the price.

While that statement is factual, it is also misleading.  Most of the very large accounts are exchanges.  And those coins are split up by its customers.

It's like saying that 60% of US Dollars is owned by 50 companies (banks).


Not your key, not your coin?
 
2022-10-13 1:55:51 PM  

OptionC: Lord Bear: Rapmaster2000:

15% of Bitcoin is owned by just 99 accounts.  94% of Bitcoin is owned by 2% of accounts.  Keep in mind, these are just accounts.  People often own more than one account.

I don't know where it goes from here.  Those people can't sell without destroying the price.

While that statement is factual, it is also misleading.  Most of the very large accounts are exchanges.  And those coins are split up by its customers.

It's like saying that 60% of US Dollars is owned by 50 companies (banks).

Not your key, not your coin?


Pretty much.

It would be more correct to say a "large amount of bitcoin is CONTROLLED by a small percentage of the accounts".  But that would be the same for the traditional finance world too.  Most people have their liquid wealth in banks, stocks or funds of some sort, not under their mattress.

Concentrated wealth is endemic in both systems.
 
2022-10-13 2:15:50 PM  
Bitcoin is not all of crypto. Since Ethereum moved to proof-of-stake successfully, bitcoin is the only major token that is sucking down insane amount of energy to run.

It's still about 1/3rd of a Trillion dollar market because it's still the first coin people buy and there's evidently a ton of people deciding now is the time to get in on a high risk speculative profit game that's rigged.

Plus, it's way easier to shout 'tulips' and 'ponzi' than to try and make sense of the other 2/3rds of the market of meme-coins, network coins, play-to-earn games and a hundred other things that make up 'crypto' now.
 
2022-10-13 6:51:57 PM  

pearls before swine: Interestingly, there is also only about $10 trillion worth of gold around, and there's still people advocating a return to gold based money. So are the people advocating for these limited money supplies thinking we're just going to have a round of massive deflation, and then everything will be good? I'm guessing these advocates are also against fractional reserve banking (which would be impossible with a limited money supply?) because I'm sure they claim it causes inflation. So what's that future look like? The Middle Ages?


Economies are built for deflation. Companies build and invest in technology to compete with one another and over time, most consumer goods become commodities. Our current monetary system is built for never ending inflation. The two systems are at odds with one another. Deflation in a credit based inflationary system like ours is bad, not when the structure is built for it. There is an excellent book on the matter called "The Price of Tomorrow" that goes into this in depth. Having a fixed currency like btc allows for the natural economics to take place as then both systems are on the same page. Companies would be forced to compete to provide the most value to you, which over time, would lower prices over time.

Money at the end of the day is just a commodity like any other, but is used to facilitate indirect exchange. It should not be free to produce. Hello energy (which ties it to economies) and proof of work allows that to happen. Unlike current system that just sits on top and has no relational balance to the underlying economy. Whatever jackass politician wants to do, they just conjure it for votes, consequences be damned.

Our current model is not sustainable. High level math, 150-200T in unfunded liabilities in the next 20yrs, 10-100T for Green New Deal shiat, 1+T a year in interest expense ect on top of current defecits. It doesnt even include any new spend. If our tax receipts just grow at nominal avg gdp, we will only collect ~110T over that time. Where is that 200+T deficit going to come in the next 20 years? There is not enough wealth or taxes that can remotely cover that. That is why I laugh at all promises now from any politician. Every single one is so full of shiat. On all sides. The math fails.

I wouldnt want to be, idk, 45 or older right now as there is a non-zero chance this ship wipes you without enough time to recover in 20 years. So I am personally more than willing to take a flier on this as any dollar I put into it anyway will go to zero in terms of purchasing power in 30 years.

Another great intro read is "The Bitcoin Standard" that goes into great depths more so than I could possibly type here, it covers a lot of what you asked higher up in your post. It surprisingly doesn't talk about bitcoin much at all until the very. It mainly goes over qualities of money, and introduces bitcoin towards the end.

/As always, you do you, this is how I view it
 
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