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(NPR)   Egypt demands the return of stolen priceless historical artifacts. The Ark of the Covenant seems to be missing from the list somehow   (npr.org) divider line
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Private_Citizen [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-12 9:46:01 AM  
The British Museum's spokesrabbit issued a short response:
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iron de havilland [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-12 9:56:06 AM  

Private_Citizen: The British Museum's spokesrabbit issued a short response:
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Priceless antiquities would be safer in stable countries like Egypt or Greece over backwards shiatholes like the UK.
 
raerae1980 [TotalFark]
2022-10-12 11:12:02 AM  
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little big man [TotalFark]
2022-10-12 11:17:06 AM  
Not the first time the Rosetta Stone has been asked to be returned. In Nov. 2010, Egyptian antiquities expert Zahi Hawass told NPR that he was fighting to have the Rosetta Stone returned to Egypt from the British Museum.

And if they had, it might be stolen or in pieces right now thanks to 2013's civil unrest.

Egypt: Hundreds of priceless artefacts destroyed in museum looting
Youtube 1i-38AWATok
 
qorkfiend
2022-10-12 12:04:27 PM  
Uh, would you want that back?
 
PirateKing [OhFark]
2022-10-12 12:06:17 PM  
The British Museum counter-offered with a 2yr subscription to Duolingo.
 
historynow11
2022-10-12 12:09:20 PM  
City of Tanis, consumed by a sandstorm that lasted a whole year, is opting to pass on hosting the Ark this time around.
 
WordsnCollision [OhFark]
2022-10-12 12:09:51 PM  
We'll get right on that...

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austerity101
2022-10-12 12:12:56 PM  

little big man: Not the first time the Rosetta Stone has been asked to be returned. In Nov. 2010, Egyptian antiquities expert Zahi Hawass told NPR that he was fighting to have the Rosetta Stone returned to Egypt from the British Museum.

And if they had, it might be stolen or in pieces right now thanks to 2013's civil unrest.

[YouTube video: Egypt: Hundreds of priceless artefacts destroyed in museum looting]


So? It still seems like that's Egypt's concern. It's not appropriate for countries to be like, "Hey, so we think you're country is unstable, so we're just gonna take your stuff. You know, for safe keeping." That's like a unilateral conservatorship imposed by a separate sovereign state.
 
Weaver95
2022-10-12 12:13:09 PM  
Egypt isn't wrong. A lot of armies have looted their country over the centuries.
 
austerity101
2022-10-12 12:13:12 PM  
Ugh, *your, phone.
 
jjorsett
2022-10-12 12:14:17 PM  
They nabbed that stuff from the Egyptian Coliseum fair and square.
 
Weaver95
2022-10-12 12:14:54 PM  

little big man: Not the first time the Rosetta Stone has been asked to be returned. In Nov. 2010, Egyptian antiquities expert Zahi Hawass told NPR that he was fighting to have the Rosetta Stone returned to Egypt from the British Museum.

And if they had, it might be stolen or in pieces right now thanks to 2013's civil unrest.

[YouTube video: Egypt: Hundreds of priceless artefacts destroyed in museum looting]


The UK has come close to complete financial collapse twice in the past 14 days.
I'm not sure what point it is you think you are making here.
 
justanotherfarkinfarker
2022-10-12 12:15:39 PM  
They have gotten a lot of things back. Probably sold them to hobby lobby.
 
mathamagical [OhFark]
2022-10-12 12:16:51 PM  
Why? Do the Egyptians want to use as a building block again?

It never belonged to Egypt. The Greeks have a better claim and they aren't getting it either.
 
Gaddiel
2022-10-12 12:18:07 PM  
I'll just leave this here and be on my merry way.

Museums: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
Youtube eJPLiT1kCSM
 
Weaver95
2022-10-12 12:18:50 PM  

mathamagical: Why? Do the Egyptians want to use as a building block again?

It never belonged to Egypt. The Greeks have a better claim and they aren't getting it either.


Right now, Egypt is more stable than the UK.
if you wanted to be objective, returning the Rosetta stone to Egypt would be the best way to protect it from social or economic chaos.
Just saying!
 
OtherLittleGuy [BareFark]
2022-10-12 12:19:11 PM  

PirateKing: The British Museum counter-offered with a 2yr subscription to Duolingo.


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/well-played!
 
kbronsito
2022-10-12 12:19:41 PM  
If we give them the Rosetta Stone, they'll end up going to Thailand.


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ArcadianRefugee
2022-10-12 12:21:09 PM  
From beyond the grave
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Kengar
2022-10-12 12:21:14 PM  

little big man: Not the first time the Rosetta Stone has been asked to be returned. In Nov. 2010, Egyptian antiquities expert Zahi Hawass told NPR that he was fighting to have the Rosetta Stone returned to Egypt from the British Museum.

And if they had, it might be stolen or in pieces right now thanks to 2013's civil unrest.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/1i-38AWATok]


Yeah, but now it might be destroyed in the irish/scotish independence war....
 
Weaver95
2022-10-12 12:22:49 PM  

Kengar: little big man: Not the first time the Rosetta Stone has been asked to be returned. In Nov. 2010, Egyptian antiquities expert Zahi Hawass told NPR that he was fighting to have the Rosetta Stone returned to Egypt from the British Museum.

And if they had, it might be stolen or in pieces right now thanks to 2013's civil unrest.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/1i-38AWATok]

Yeah, but now it might be destroyed in the irish/scotish independence war....


I'd be a tad more worried about the impending collapse of the British economy.
Liz truss is not very good with handling money.
 
Kengar
2022-10-12 12:23:53 PM  
Sure, but if the British economy tanks, do you really think they would let anyone go without trying to loot them for any cash they can first?
 
fallingcow
2022-10-12 12:26:19 PM  

Gaddiel: I'll just leave this here and be on my merry way.

[YouTube video: Museums: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)]


I really got to get to London and back to Paris before this movement gets its way.
 
Wessoman
2022-10-12 12:29:41 PM  
It's okay, I heard that our Government has top men working on it now.

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Sword and Shield [TotalFark]
2022-10-12 12:29:44 PM  
Egypt would have no claim for the Ark. The last place it's proven to be would be either Jerusalem, or, if you believe the legends of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, it's in Axum in Ethiopia.
 
Erma Gerdd
2022-10-12 12:34:07 PM  
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Mr. Shabooboo
2022-10-12 12:39:26 PM  
Given modern technology..It would seem that having a resin replica of some items would be
perfectly fine to display (As long as properly marked as such) as part of the context to go along with
the actual real period objects a museum possesses..If your museum has, for example, a lot of
items with various languages on them, why not display a resin Rosetta Stone along with original
objects with Hieroglyphs, Hiratc, Greek,Linear-A/B, Cuneiform, etc.. on them ?? To me, it would be
more important to make the objects tell as much as they can, not just having them in a case with a light
on it, with a little plaque that says "Cuneiform Tablet, Mesopotamia. 212 BCE" .. That doesn't draw
the line connecting dots..
 
northgrave
2022-10-12 12:52:07 PM  

Sword and Shield: Egypt would have no claim for the Ark. The last place it's proven to be would be either Jerusalem, or, if you believe the legends of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, it's in Axum in Ethiopia.


Winnipeg: The Ark? We already got one!
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https://photojourneys.ca/2019/11/winnipeg-ancient-temple/

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Slackfumasta
2022-10-12 12:53:30 PM  

Sword and Shield: Egypt would have no claim for the Ark. The last place it's proven to be would be either Jerusalem, or, if you believe the legends of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, it's in Axum in Ethiopia.


I feel like saying that the Ark was "proven" to be in a location is a bit misleading. I'm convinced the Ark is about as real as Joseph Smith's golden plates.
 
Commander Lysdexic
2022-10-12 1:01:23 PM  

Weaver95: I'd be a tad more worried about the impending collapse of the British economy.


Any day now.
For the last 6 years, any. day. now.
 
Weaver95
2022-10-12 1:02:29 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: Weaver95: I'd be a tad more worried about the impending collapse of the British economy.

Any day now.
For the last 6 years, any. day. now.


You should go read up on recent events.
 
Senseless_drivel
2022-10-12 1:04:25 PM  
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twistedsteel5252
2022-10-12 1:08:54 PM  
Let's just make some replicas and send back the originals.

I mean a copy of a tank is just as good as the original tank right?

Now James Dean's car might be more valuable than a copy but only out of sentimental value that it was James dean's car. If a buyer had no understanding of James Dean the original car and the copy should be of equal value.
 
Ketchuponsteak
2022-10-12 1:08:56 PM  

little big man: Not the first time the Rosetta Stone has been asked to be returned. In Nov. 2010, Egyptian antiquities expert Zahi Hawass told NPR that he was fighting to have the Rosetta Stone returned to Egypt from the British Museum.

And if they had, it might be stolen or in pieces right now thanks to 2013's civil unrest.

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Hey, that was ages ago, like 9 years.
 
Daddy's Big Pink Man-Squirrel
2022-10-12 1:09:29 PM  
There WAS no goddam ark during the alleged (and historically unlikely) period of enslavement of the Not Yet Jews. Read your pentateuchs, children.
 
GhostOfSavageHenry
2022-10-12 1:14:15 PM  
Rosetta Stone-Leave Me For Dead (Official Video)
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but they were so happy in England. Oh well, guess we'll see what the Goth scene in Egypt is like.
 
Froman
2022-10-12 1:17:38 PM  

austerity101: little big man: Not the first time the Rosetta Stone has been asked to be returned. In Nov. 2010, Egyptian antiquities expert Zahi Hawass told NPR that he was fighting to have the Rosetta Stone returned to Egypt from the British Museum.

And if they had, it might be stolen or in pieces right now thanks to 2013's civil unrest.

[YouTube video: Egypt: Hundreds of priceless artefacts destroyed in museum looting]

So? It still seems like that's Egypt's concern. It's not appropriate for countries to be like, "Hey, so we think you're country is unstable, so we're just gonna take your stuff. You know, for safe keeping." That's like a unilateral conservatorship imposed by a separate sovereign state.


It's the social justice cause du jour to point out all the theft by colonists, which while not without merit, fails to recognize such theft is likely the only reason they still exist rather than left to be smashed by religious nuts or stolen by local collectors. I'll bet that the collection of artifacts raided from temples and tombs by locals before colonization far exceeds what was taken by Europeans. Who knows what important keys to ancient history and languages are just sitting in someone's house and they think it's just some cool artifact their grandpa found one day.

Also, internationally significant artifacts should be in a place where all walks of life are welcome to visit them safely IMO. If they want to not have their items under "conservatorship" maybe prove they can keep them safe - as well as the people who are interesting in seeing them.
 
replacementcool
2022-10-12 1:18:08 PM  

little big man: Not the first time the Rosetta Stone has been asked to be returned. In Nov. 2010, Egyptian antiquities expert Zahi Hawass told NPR that he was fighting to have the Rosetta Stone returned to Egypt from the British Museum.

And if they had, it might be stolen or in pieces right now thanks to 2013's civil unrest.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/1i-38AWATok]


that makes its theft OK and even morally good!
 
baka-san [TotalFark]
2022-10-12 1:19:23 PM  

twistedsteel5252: Let's just make some replicas and send back the originals.

I mean a copy of a tank is just as good as the original tank right?

Now James Dean's car might be more valuable than a copy but only out of sentimental value that it was James dean's car. If a buyer had no understanding of James Dean the original car and the copy should be of equal value.


Deans death car was stolen from a trailer, and most likely melted for scrap
 
Invisible Obama
2022-10-12 1:19:36 PM  

northgrave: Winnipeg: The Ark? We already got one!


He says they've already got one!
 
baka-san [TotalFark]
2022-10-12 1:22:07 PM  

twistedsteel5252: Let's just make some replicas and send back the originals.

I mean a copy of a tank is just as good as the original tank right?

Now James Dean's car might be more valuable than a copy but only out of sentimental value that it was James dean's car. If a buyer had no understanding of James Dean the original car and the copy should be of equal value.


Oh, and a Porsche 550 Spyder
Any 550 Spyder is worth 3 million and up
 
Sword and Shield [TotalFark]
2022-10-12 1:22:42 PM  

Slackfumasta: Sword and Shield: Egypt would have no claim for the Ark. The last place it's proven to be would be either Jerusalem, or, if you believe the legends of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, it's in Axum in Ethiopia.

I feel like saying that the Ark was "proven" to be in a location is a bit misleading. I'm convinced the Ark is about as real as Joseph Smith's golden plates.


Eh, possible.

However, if you say the Ark existed, the legends do not have it in Egypt as its last known location. It was either taken as treasure by the Babylonians (which would be odd in that it's not mentioned in the things they took, and they recorded a lot of it), smuggled out of Jerusalem at the time of the Babylonian Conquest to parts unknown, or if you believe the Kebra Negast of the Ethiopians, the son of Solomon took it to Ethiopia for safekeeping.

What's problematic about the Kebra Negast's account is that the son of Solomon that it relies upon doing this (Menelek) is not mentioned at any point in the original Jewish texts. It's possible he's a later addition to basically set Ethiopia apart.
 
Moooooo K
2022-10-12 1:23:43 PM  

Slackfumasta: Sword and Shield: Egypt would have no claim for the Ark. The last place it's proven to be would be either Jerusalem, or, if you believe the legends of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, it's in Axum in Ethiopia.

I feel like saying that the Ark was "proven" to be in a location is a bit misleading. I'm convinced the Ark is about as real as Joseph Smith's golden plates.


Well that's just silly. How did he translate the plates with his magic rock, if the plates didn't exist? What else is a magic rock for?

You make him sound like a crackpot.
 
twistedsteel5252
2022-10-12 1:25:56 PM  

baka-san: twistedsteel5252: Let's just make some replicas and send back the originals.

I mean a copy of a tank is just as good as the original tank right?

Now James Dean's car might be more valuable than a copy but only out of sentimental value that it was James dean's car. If a buyer had no understanding of James Dean the original car and the copy should be of equal value.

Deans death car was stolen from a trailer, and most likely melted for scrap


Yeah, but the theory holds. I thought of a relic I'd like off the top of my head and it was the first thing.
 
Olthoi
2022-10-12 1:32:05 PM  
I'm as progressive as it gets, but the fact is 3rd world countries are unstable and should not be housing priceless artifacts. All it takes is a coup and some Islamic fundamentalist asshole to take power and blow up the museum because it "insults Mohammad" or some other line of ignorant reasoning.
 
Slackfumasta
2022-10-12 1:34:14 PM  

Sword and Shield: Slackfumasta: Sword and Shield: Egypt would have no claim for the Ark. The last place it's proven to be would be either Jerusalem, or, if you believe the legends of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, it's in Axum in Ethiopia.

I feel like saying that the Ark was "proven" to be in a location is a bit misleading. I'm convinced the Ark is about as real as Joseph Smith's golden plates.

Eh, possible.

However, if you say the Ark existed, the legends do not have it in Egypt as its last known location. It was either taken as treasure by the Babylonians (which would be odd in that it's not mentioned in the things they took, and they recorded a lot of it), smuggled out of Jerusalem at the time of the Babylonian Conquest to parts unknown, or if you believe the Kebra Negast of the Ethiopians, the son of Solomon took it to Ethiopia for safekeeping.

What's problematic about the Kebra Negast's account is that the son of Solomon that it relies upon doing this (Menelek) is not mentioned at any point in the original Jewish texts. It's possible he's a later addition to basically set Ethiopia apart.


Yeah, questions of it's actual existence aside, shouldn't we be more interested in where it came from rather than it's last known location to determine who has the best claim to it?  Using last known location to determine best claim would mean that the British have a right to keep the Rosetta Stone, a right I don't believe they have.
 
Weaver95
2022-10-12 1:35:40 PM  

Olthoi: I'm as progressive as it gets, but the fact is 3rd world countries are unstable and should not be housing priceless artifacts. All it takes is a coup and some Islamic fundamentalist asshole to take power and blow up the museum because it "insults Mohammad" or some other line of ignorant reasoning.


You might want to go look up recent events in the UK.
 
Shocktopus
2022-10-12 1:37:07 PM  

fallingcow: Gaddiel: I'll just leave this here and be on my merry way.

[YouTube video: Museums: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)]

I really got to get to London and back to Paris before this movement gets its way.


I specifically went to London and spent 16 hours over 3 days at the British Museum a few years ago for just this reason. Yes empire bad, yes many acquisitions are morally indefensible by modern standards and a lot more are errrrr let's say dubiously principled.

But I and millions of other people would not ever be able nor willing to fly all over the world to see 3 priceless artifacts in country 1, 2 amazing unique things in country 2, 10 sorta cool things in country 3, 4 interesting things in country 4, 12 impressive things in country 5, 14 "huh, I didn't know that" things in country 6, 8 incredible things in country 7, et cetera and that's not even considering intracountry dispersal of each thing.

Especially since many of the countries would be places that I wouldn't want to or cannot go to, the British Museum was awesome. The Mesopotamian collection at the BM is amazing, but I'm not going to Syria and Iraq to see those things.

So yeah, the dragon's hoard of world heritage items is not easy to defend on modern moral grounds. But if one wants to see them in less than a lifetime of travel, now is the time to do it before it all gets dispersed into a thousand regional museums from Phnom Penh to Ramadi to Burkina Faso.
 
replacementcool
2022-10-12 1:40:39 PM  

Olthoi: I'm as progressive as it gets, but the fact is 3rd world countries are unstable and should not be housing priceless artifacts. All it takes is a coup and some Islamic fundamentalist asshole to take power and blow up the museum because it "insults Mohammad" or some other line of ignorant reasoning.


'cuz it's not like terrorists can just walk into the united states capitol and smear shiat on the wa-

wait
 
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