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(Fox News)   Fox Nooz: "Service members sound alarm against 'extremely woke' military"; Translation: "Angry commenters claiming to be in the military complain they can't assault women and the gays with impunity"   (foxnews.com) divider line
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2022-10-11 11:55:59 AM  
Not to mention people of color.
 
2022-10-11 11:57:13 AM  
Yes Yes, our woke military is so incompetent unlike the hyper masculine russian army which is getting grenades dropped on them from of the shelf drones while giving each other bjs in a foxhole.

/also the sheep video
 
2022-10-11 12:06:33 PM  
There are some members of the military who are incredibly f*cking stupid and so are their families.

They are usually very vocal and somehow speak for EVERY servicemember.

From the bottom of my heart, f*ck you F*x Noise.

Here's a quote from Lt. Col. (ret) Asshole:

"I am a Conservative: Barack Obama is the Hans Gruber of American politics. #caring"
 
2022-10-11 12:32:06 PM  
How about yall win a war or stop wasting all our goddamn money
 
2022-10-11 12:32:08 PM  
Sounds like someone is mad that they got kicked out for their swastika tattoos.
 
2022-10-11 12:32:14 PM  
Republicans always lie.
 
2022-10-11 12:33:07 PM  

NewportBarGuy: There are some members of the military who are incredibly f*cking stupid and so are their families.

They are usually very vocal and somehow speak for EVERY servicemember.

From the bottom of my heart, f*ck you F*x Noise.

Here's a quote from Lt. Col. (ret) Asshole:

"I am a Conservative: Barack Obama is the Hans Gruber of American politics. #caring"


I met some of the absolute best humanity has to offer, in the Army.

But it's also where I met some of the worst criminals I've ever seen.
 
2022-10-11 12:34:55 PM  
Yes, abusers and predators do really seem to dislike anything that makes it more difficult for them to abuse with impunity.
 
2022-10-11 12:35:17 PM  
Here is the prime suspect in our woke military.

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Without EO 9981 we'd never be in this mess.

(On a serious note - our military is only as strong as their weakest link.  Right now our weakest link isn't women, or gay folks or whatever.  It's busybodies in and out of uniform who worry about external stuff that has nothing at all to do with how good of a soldier or sailor someone is.)
 
2022-10-11 12:36:09 PM  
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2022-10-11 12:36:26 PM  

AirForceVet: Not to mention people of color.


Must be a very effective camo pattern.
 
2022-10-11 12:37:20 PM  
The US military declaring white nationalism a threat has really upset 1488 people.
 
2022-10-11 12:38:09 PM  
"I 100% believe the military is woke. I see daily minorities, overweight people and women not adhering to military standards," another said. "Nobody corrects them due to the fear of being fired and labeled a racist or a sexist."

What complete shiat.
 
2022-10-11 12:38:23 PM  
"I see daily minorities, overweight people and women not adhering to military standards," another said. "Nobody corrects them due to the fear of being fired and labeled a racist or a sexist."

Whew, sounds like racist white servicemembers I'm sorry, serviceMEN wait, still sorry, serviceALPHA MALES are still completely up to the standards.
 
2022-10-11 12:40:29 PM  
"Most of us who serve did so because we came from military families. Patriotism and American values are no longer appreciated or expected," one service member said. "Troops themselves are largely treated as expendable and they don't even pretend otherwise. Spending 15+ years in the military during wartime with multiple deployments risking their lives only to be tossed out like garbage."

Sounds like you should be pissed as hell at Repubs voting against vet support.

"Losing the retirement they have worked years to earn because they didn't want to take an experimental vaccine for an illness that was mild for fit and healthy people."

But you got all those other vaccines required by the military without a single peep, right?
"Experimental vaccine," fark off.
 
2022-10-11 12:41:00 PM  

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I bet all of those guys know this formula by heart:

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2022-10-11 12:41:09 PM  

khitsicker: /also the sheep video


OK now you've piqued my interest.
 
2022-10-11 12:41:12 PM  
I often hear people say, "I would have joined the military, but I have problems with authority." What people that say this line do not understand is that for myself it is an immediate red flag to verify anything else we discuss, and to have any deals in writing before moving forward. This is because they have demonstrated a fundamental misunderstanding of what authority is, and what the foundation of the US military is.

The military is in essence the state's means of exercising violence on a national scale. The threat and use of violence requires trust. This might seem counterintuitive on the surface. However, if you threaten violence unless somebody takes an action and then you go ahead and are violent towards them, they will not comply next time. After all you are going to attack either way, so they might as well conserve whatever resource it is you are requiring for their own use to counter your violence. Likewise, the use of violence to achieve an end is only handy if the other side knows you will stop short of their life to achieve your goal. If it is a life and death situation in all circumstances, then there is no compromise and no promise other than death your enemy has no reason to do anything but seek your total destruction.

The foundation of the US Military is therefore trust. Almost every regulation or joint publication deals with the building, maintenance, and use of trust in some form. Trust must be built and maintained. It is built by repetition of simple tasks and verification of the steps used to complete those tasks. This provides the unit, NCOs, and Officers reason to have good faith in each other, and the verification in paper to demonstrate how that good faith has been earned. The regulations show this by providing what tasks each person in the unit should be doing, who should be verifying it is done, how to remedy situations where processes are stymied, and most importantly how to communicate difficulties, and normal operations throughout the force.
Often when young soldiers ask me about or take exception to my reviewing what has been done, or planned they believe it is because I do not trust them. This is inaccurate, and I take pains to explain this point to them. By fully understanding what it is they do I can verify their good judgement and if questioned demonstrate my own knowledge of their processes. If something goes sideways I know how the soldier will handle it because they have already informed me of such, and shown their capability.

Trust is most important when dealing with the unknown. Because of this it is important to always expand what is known and reduce uncertainty as much as possible. A portion of the Creed of the Non-Commissioned Officer states, "My two basic responsibilities will always be uppermost in my mind: the accomplishment of my mission, and the welfare of my soldiers." This is because trust is a two way street. Not only must I trust my soldiers but they must also have reason to trust me. The mission must come first. If I placed the welfare of each of my individual soldiers before the mission I could not accomplish iat, because I could not risk my soldiers' lives.
Therefore the soldiers under my responsibility must know I will keep their welfare as the second most important thing to me. I cannot lie to them and say it is the most important because lies destroy trust. However they must know that if I do risk them it will be for the mission, and it will be in the most responsible, and safe manner I can. This theme of responsibility to the soldier is repeated throughout the Creed. In the first stanza the last line is "I will not use my grade, nor position to attain pleasure, profit, or personal safety."

In the second stanza this is continued with the following lines, "All Soldiers are entitled to outstanding leadership; I will provide that leadership. I know my Soldiers and I will always place their needs above my own." This is imperative, and good NCOs regularly try to get extras for their soldiers at their own expense (though not out of our own pocket, as that leads to its own issues). I cannot jeopardize the mission, but if nothing is pressing I try to get my enlisted off early on the days I can. If there is a simple task keeping the soldiers around and I can do it I will knock it out so they can go home.  This is not because I am exceptional, but because this is the role of an NCO, something I have seen NCOs of every tier in the Army do. It is regularly communicated from the top of my unit down through the NCO chain of responsibility in order to ensure it is a part of our culture.
The building of such culture is deliberate. During NCO professional development meetings often the topic of conversation is not how to accomplish mundane tasks, but how to build culture, what our culture is, and why it is the way it is. The concept of the servant leader is often used. This is not touchy feely soft stuff but discussion on how to utilize yourself to facilitate the growth of soldiers into competent leaders that are not toxic. When to step in, when to let things shake out, how to handle failure, and always how to build trust.

One of the more important forms of trust building in the military is something that people like Tucker Carlson will never understand: the EO and SHARP program. Sexual harassment destroys trust in an unit, even if everyone in it is male and the harasser only targets females. The harasser cannot be trusted around the other soldiers' spouses or families. They cannot be asked to help with the mundane tasks such as picking up kids. You do not want to go to bars or social gatherings with them because you do not want to be responsible for their misdeeds or near them. These are simply the practical considerations, nevermind not wanting to be associated with someone that acts in such a way, and naturally wanting to confront and stop the behavior.

EO is much the same way. No soldier can or should trust I have their welfare at heart if I discriminate against them, or really any person for the reasons covered by EO. Again from the Creed "ALL Soldiers are entitled to outstanding leadership; I will provide that leadership."

The entire third stanza of the Creed is about earning and maintaining respect, loyalty, and integrity in all of my actions. In so many words: trust in myself and in my actions.
The military is unique that lack of trust in and by itself is grounds for removal from position. You do not have to actually do anything criminal or untoward other than give the perception that you cannot be trusted with some aspect of upholding good order and discipline. This can come from the bottom up more often than people realize. Part of the reason it takes so long to rise in the ranks is to give the soldier time to build their social network. If enough soldiers in a unit have lost trust, and that word gets around through those networks a commander could find himself reassigned to a less strenuous job that is within their capabilities.
In the private sector I often had to work with people I could not trust. In the Russian military, corruption is so rampant that if you don't take part you are not trusted. However even if you do you will never be fully trusted because no one can trust corruption. Since the military is violence it must be ready to meet all acts of violence against the state from small interest groups with overwhelming force. To do otherwise invites the destruction of the state and the military itself since all questions for that society devolve into a question of who has the greater means of violence. However, the society as a whole needs to be able to trust that the military will not come after its components provided they do not come after the state with violence first.
 
2022-10-11 12:41:40 PM  
So, when one of these yahoos assaults another servicemember for being gay/brown/trans/whatever, the UCMJ will be called "woke" when they are charged?
 
2022-10-11 12:42:28 PM  
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Confederate News:  "Service members sound alarm against 'extremely woke' Union Army"

 
2022-10-11 12:42:43 PM  
"How can we ask young men and women who have decided to risk their lives for America, even die for America, to affirm that our country is inherently racist?" former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo wrote for Fox News last month.

This farking asshole.
 
2022-10-11 12:43:26 PM  

fiddlehead: "I 100% believe the military is woke. I see daily minorities, overweight people and women not adhering to military standards," another said. "Nobody corrects them due to the fear of being fired and labeled a racist or a sexist."

What complete shiat.


I fully understand being against overweight minorities. I don't agree with being against women, but at least they have arguments. But thinking there is something wrong with minorities in the army ? What is this pre-Ww2 white supremacist way of thinking ?

Antiwokes are just assholes who want to live in a world of assholes, where everybody are assholes to each other, and they want to call that virtuous.
 
2022-10-11 12:45:43 PM  

fiddlehead: "I 100% believe the military is woke. I see daily minorities, overweight people and women not adhering to military standards," another said. "Nobody corrects them due to the fear of being fired and labeled a racist or a sexist."

What complete shiat.


If there's one thing that's easy as fark to do on this planet, it's get yourself fired from the US military.
 
2022-10-11 12:46:21 PM  
 
2022-10-11 12:46:41 PM  

Chagrin: khitsicker: /also the sheep video

OK now you've piqued my interest.


https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1576969072319029248 not really nsfw but its implied.

There are more graphic ones im sure but damn if I am searching for them.
 
2022-10-11 12:47:41 PM  
"Woke" here is the term for not politically aligned with the GOP yet. God forbid we ever have a political military.
 
2022-10-11 12:49:01 PM  
We live by a warrior's code in the Core.  We don't have time for your feelings.
 
2022-10-11 12:49:29 PM  
Woke

Drink
 
2022-10-11 12:49:40 PM  
When my brother was in the Air Force 20 years ago, there was already heavy fundie proselytizing, with the implication that not supporting Christianity vocally would be detrimental to his AF career.
 
2022-10-11 12:51:14 PM  
I wish someone would explain what woke means, like, do conservatives even know?

I know they made it up, I just want someone to pin one of them down and get them to explain it.

Like, are they saying there are too many minorities in the military? That they shouldn't recruit trans people? All of the above?

Are they saying they only want white people to join the military? Good luck with that.
 
2022-10-11 12:51:49 PM  

MurphyMurphy: I met some of the absolute best humanity has to offer, in the Army.

But it's also where I met some of the worst criminals I've ever seen.


Put it that way, it reminds me of churches
 
2022-10-11 12:51:50 PM  
Fix the f*cking VA first
 
2022-10-11 12:52:07 PM  
^F for "woke" returns 16 matches.

Just another term that has lost all (or never had) meaning to these people, just like "communist", "socialist", and "liberal".  Now it means "something we were told to dislike".

People aren't joining the military for a host of reasons, most of which have nothing to do with rules on conduct.  Low pay, frequent deployments, and poor aftercare are the ones I hear about most often.  Guess which party is mostly responsible for that.
 
2022-10-11 12:53:12 PM  

Huggermugger: When my brother was in the Air Force 20 years ago, there was already heavy fundie proselytizing, with the implication that not supporting Christianity vocally would be detrimental to his AF career.


A guy i went to high school with said the same thing. He joined the AF and used it to pay for him going to school to be a teacher. People in his squad couldnt grasp why he wasn't teaching at a private school because public schools are full of (insert whatever racist term).
 
2022-10-11 12:55:02 PM  

Chagrin: khitsicker: /also the sheep video

OK now you've piqued my interest.


maybe we should just watch this one instead

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2022-10-11 12:55:39 PM  
We have two briefings a year, one of Equal Opportunity and one on prevention of sexual harassment.  That's it.

They're basically the same ones I've sat through for the past 20+ years
 
2022-10-11 12:55:40 PM  

JRoo: I wish someone would explain what woke means, like, do conservatives even know?

I know they made it up, I just want someone to pin one of them down and get them to explain it.

Like, are they saying there are too many minorities in the military? That they shouldn't recruit trans people? All of the above?

Are they saying they only want white people to join the military? Good luck with that.


"Woke" is a catch-all term for anything that is upsetting to white supremacists.
 
2022-10-11 12:56:50 PM  
Woke.. 

I do like not having to wonder if someone is entitled or racist; I hate having to guess..

I think it is a kindness that they announce themselves by waiving their (Confederate) flag or announcing "woke" culture any time they get called on stuff

Anyone who uses "woke" as an argument point is saying, "Traditionally, I could say or do.. so I should be able to say or do.. now..."

Tradition does not equal future.
 
2022-10-11 12:59:00 PM  

fiddlehead: "How can we ask young men and women who have decided to risk their lives for America, even die for America, to affirm that our country is inherently racist?" former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo wrote for Fox News last month.

This farking asshole.


He doesn't get it. We don't sign up to affirm it is inherently racist. We knew it was in the past, we fight to reject that history and allow everyone a chance to be more than their flawed beginnings. Even the process of training soldiers is always one of hope, that if the training is followed and the soldier learns they will be better than they were when they initially joined. That even if they only stay in for a single term they will use that to better themselves after and be good representatives of what the military can, should, and must be for all Americans.

Recruitment should be an opportunity. It should not be anyone's only opportunity, but it should be available to everyone possible, regardless of gender, sexuality, religion, ethnicity, color, nationality of origin, or creed.
 
2022-10-11 1:02:36 PM  

Sgt Otter: We have two briefings a year, one of Equal Opportunity and one on prevention of sexual harassment.  That's it.

They're basically the same ones I've sat through for the past 20+ years


Recently we have had more directed training on the dangers and recruitment methods of white supremacist organizations. These have been very canned with limited room for discussion, and therefore not what I would consider ideal. They are a start in the right direction though.

Frankly that is probably what these assholes are trying to squash.
 
2022-10-11 1:02:46 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: The US military declaring white nationalism a threat has really upset 1488 people.


When a group of Navy reservists, can plot to "spit on the sitting president", and get away with the conspiracy in spite of being reported by name to NCIS, America's  military isn't "woke" enough.
 
2022-10-11 1:04:04 PM  
The same people who complain about "Woke" are the same refusing to watch baseball ever again because Cleveland is now the guardians.
 
2022-10-11 1:04:59 PM  
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Gay, conquered the world

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Killed men with her bare hands

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Saved America with indigenous language

How's that racially pure and super macho Russian army doing these days?
 
2022-10-11 1:10:07 PM  
is it the 'swift boat veterans' and are they still 'for truth'?
 
2022-10-11 1:12:30 PM  

fiddlehead: "How can we ask young men and women who have decided to risk their lives for America, even die for America, to affirm that our country is inherently racist?" former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo wrote for Fox News last month.

This farking asshole.


He accidentally is kind of right. I mean, would you want to risk your life, maybe die, for a country that made that dude a Secretary of State?
 
2022-10-11 1:19:23 PM  

fiddlehead: "I 100% believe the military is woke. I see daily minorities, overweight people and women not adhering to military standards," another said. "Nobody corrects them due to the fear of being fired and labeled a racist or a sexist."

What complete shiat.


If someone is overweight when they join the military, they will correct that in about ten weeks (Navy). How the f'k can someone be "corrected" for being a minority or a woman?

I 100% believe this person is full of shat.
 
2022-10-11 1:33:28 PM  

rewind2846: I 100% believe this person is full of shat.


I believe that, and that they know it too, and they seek to damage America for Russia to "own the libs".
 
2022-10-11 1:36:04 PM  

NewportBarGuy: There are some members of the military who are incredibly f*cking stupid and so are their families.

They are usually very vocal and somehow speak for EVERY servicemember.

From the bottom of my heart, f*ck you F*x Noise.

Here's a quote from Lt. Col. (ret) Asshole:

"I am a Conservative: Barack Obama is the Hans Gruber of American politics. #caring"


The bolded is one of the things that I find most annoying.

I was at a national physician's conference back in April, and when we were advancing proposals for legislation, you had to do a few things when you stood up and spoke.

1. Name
2. Chapter
3. Speaking on behalf of what constituency. (Dr. S&S, MAFP, speaking on behalf of the LGBTQIA+ contigent).

The Armed Services contingent, though? They added something. Went something like "Dr ABC, (chapter), speaking on behalf of (contingent). I speak on behalf of myself and this does not reflect current policy or endorsement by the US Department of Defense, US Navy, (unit name), or the Department of Veterans Affairs."

Basically going to an incredible length to make it obvious they weren'tspeaking for any servicemember aside from themselves.
 
2022-10-11 1:37:45 PM  

rewind2846: fiddlehead: "I 100% believe the military is woke. I see daily minorities, overweight people and women not adhering to military standards," another said. "Nobody corrects them due to the fear of being fired and labeled a racist or a sexist."

What complete shiat.

If someone is overweight when they join the military, they will correct that in about ten weeks (Navy). How the f'k can someone be "corrected" for being a minority or a woman?

I 100% believe this person is full of shat.


In the Army they have about a year to correct that deficiency from their BSAB date. Frankly basic and AIT will likely handle any issues by themselves.
 
2022-10-11 1:39:53 PM  

fiddlehead: "I 100% believe the military is woke. I see daily minorities, overweight people and women not adhering to military standards," another said. "Nobody corrects them due to the fear of being fired and labeled a racist or a sexist."

What complete shiat.


Gunny don't give a flying FUUUUU*K who he wells at!!
 
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