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(ESPN)   Washington Commanders coach Ron Rivera has no regerts about trading for quarterback Carson Wentz   (espn.com) divider line
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2022-10-11 7:34:53 AM  
Wentz is trash, been trash since Philly. I can't believe when he got voted a top 5 player before the season in his second year. He's a poor man's Kirk Cousins somehow.
 
2022-10-11 7:56:40 AM  
I guess he has no regrets about being 1 and 4, also. I wonder if he'll have regrets when he's looking for a new job.
 
2022-10-11 7:56:42 AM  
Rivera said the difference between his 1-4 Commanders and the rest of the NFC East teams, who are all 4-1 or better, comes down to the quarterback position.
"The truth is that this is a quarterback-driven league," Rivera said. "And if you look at the teams that have been able to sustain success, they've been able to build it around a specific quarterback."


I don't know how accurate that is.  The Cowboys are winning on defense right now.
 
2022-10-11 8:19:16 AM  
The Commanders have good defensive personnel, but can't stop anyone, so the team's second biggest problem is Jack Del Rio's inability to coordinate a defense. That's a problem when your title is "Defensive Coordinator."

The Commanders biggest problem remains, as it has since 1999, the existence of Daniel Marc Snyder.
 
2022-10-11 8:30:04 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Rivera said the difference between his 1-4 Commanders and the rest of the NFC East teams, who are all 4-1 or better, comes down to the quarterback position.
"The truth is that this is a quarterback-driven league," Rivera said. "And if you look at the teams that have been able to sustain success, they've been able to build it around a specific quarterback."

I don't know how accurate that is.  The Cowboys are winning on defense right now.


The Giants also appear to be doing it with an unimpressive passing game. Although I wonder if the Giants are a mirage that will start dropping a ton of games as they revert to mean as the season progresses.
 
2022-10-11 8:35:10 AM  

TheJoe03: Wentz is trash, been trash since Philly. I can't believe when he got voted a top 5 player before the season in his second year. He's a poor man's Kirk Cousins somehow.


Would that be the year the Eagles were 11-2 under Wentz prior to his season-ending injury? To be clear, after that he was trash, but there was a reason he was hyped in 2017.

And obviously Rivera should be displeased with Carson's overall performance, but his hands are tied and this is simply what you say in public.
 
2022-10-11 8:35:24 AM  

anotherluser: Rapmaster2000: Rivera said the difference between his 1-4 Commanders and the rest of the NFC East teams, who are all 4-1 or better, comes down to the quarterback position.
"The truth is that this is a quarterback-driven league," Rivera said. "And if you look at the teams that have been able to sustain success, they've been able to build it around a specific quarterback."

I don't know how accurate that is.  The Cowboys are winning on defense right now.

The Giants also appear to be doing it with an unimpressive passing game. Although I wonder if the Giants are a mirage that will start dropping a ton of games as they revert to mean as the season progresses.


It's hard not to be skeptical of the Giants.  I just checked their stats.  They have the second best rushing YPG and the second worst passing YPG.
 
2022-10-11 9:35:47 AM  
Rot starts at the top.

As long as Snyder is involved, they will always suck.
 
2022-10-11 10:25:57 AM  
The story here goes, when Nagy was still the coach, he had called Chris Ballard to ask him about Wentz. Nagy and Ballard are apparently close friends. Ballard told him to run away as far as he could and don't look back.

Don't know if it's true but it wouldn't surprise me. And if it is, I'm glad he listened to his friend otherwise Pace probably would have gotten fleeced on the deal as usual and we'd be stuck with Wentz as our QB.

Apparently the Bears made a pretty big offer for Wilson too but Seattle turned it down so we dodged that bullet too.

So...phew
 
2022-10-11 10:34:37 AM  

abhorrent1: The story here goes, when Nagy was still the coach, he had called Chris Ballard to ask him about Wentz. Nagy and Ballard are apparently close friends. Ballard told him to run away as far as he could and don't look back.

Don't know if it's true but it wouldn't surprise me. And if it is, I'm glad he listened to his friend otherwise Pace probably would have gotten fleeced on the deal as usual and we'd be stuck with Wentz as our QB.

Apparently the Bears made a pretty big offer for Wilson too but Seattle turned it down so we dodged that bullet too.

So...phew


You cannot convince me that Wentz would not be an upgrade over Justin Fields. He has thrown for twice the yardage and 3x the TDs in '22 so far.

Wentz lives in his own head and will never peak again, but Fields is laughably bad.
 
2022-10-11 11:19:59 AM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: abhorrent1: The story here goes, when Nagy was still the coach, he had called Chris Ballard to ask him about Wentz. Nagy and Ballard are apparently close friends. Ballard told him to run away as far as he could and don't look back.

Don't know if it's true but it wouldn't surprise me. And if it is, I'm glad he listened to his friend otherwise Pace probably would have gotten fleeced on the deal as usual and we'd be stuck with Wentz as our QB.

Apparently the Bears made a pretty big offer for Wilson too but Seattle turned it down so we dodged that bullet too.

So...phew

You cannot convince me that Wentz would not be an upgrade over Justin Fields. He has thrown for twice the yardage and 3x the TDs in '22 so far.

Wentz lives in his own head and will never peak again, but Fields is laughably bad.


Wentz has been in the league for 7 years. Agree that Fields hasn't been good but he's played 17 games so far, and on bad teams. I'm willing to give him some time. Plenty of QBs have been bad their first season or two.

And other things I've heard or read, Wentz isn't the most liked guy in the locker room.
 
2022-10-11 11:50:21 AM  

abhorrent1: Eddie Hazel's E string: abhorrent1: The story here goes, when Nagy was still the coach, he had called Chris Ballard to ask him about Wentz. Nagy and Ballard are apparently close friends. Ballard told him to run away as far as he could and don't look back.

Don't know if it's true but it wouldn't surprise me. And if it is, I'm glad he listened to his friend otherwise Pace probably would have gotten fleeced on the deal as usual and we'd be stuck with Wentz as our QB.

Apparently the Bears made a pretty big offer for Wilson too but Seattle turned it down so we dodged that bullet too.

So...phew

You cannot convince me that Wentz would not be an upgrade over Justin Fields. He has thrown for twice the yardage and 3x the TDs in '22 so far.

Wentz lives in his own head and will never peak again, but Fields is laughably bad.

Wentz has been in the league for 7 years. Agree that Fields hasn't been good but he's played 17 games so far, and on bad teams. I'm willing to give him some time. Plenty of QBs have been bad their first season or two.

And other things I've heard or read, Wentz isn't the most liked guy in the locker room.


The book on Ryan Tannehill prior to arriving in Tennessee was "Just good enough to get you beat," and kind  of a dick to boot. If you can make it so that a guy like that isn't expected to put the team on his shoulders very often, it  appears that you can still win with him.
 
2022-10-11 11:54:26 AM  

LucklessWonder: The Commanders have good defensive personnel, but can't stop anyone, so the team's second biggest problem is Jack Del Rio's inability to coordinate a defense. That's a problem when your title is "Defensive Coordinator."

The Commanders biggest problem remains, as it has since 1999, the existence of Daniel Marc Snyder.


This!

Also our offensive coordinator is horrible at play calling it seems.

/gee we keep getting sacked when trying long pass plays...
//let's keep doing it until it works!
///3s
 
2022-10-11 7:41:52 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Rivera said the difference between his 1-4 Commanders and the rest of the NFC East teams, who are all 4-1 or better, comes down to the quarterback position.
"The truth is that this is a quarterback-driven league," Rivera said. "And if you look at the teams that have been able to sustain success, they've been able to build it around a specific quarterback."

I don't know how accurate that is.  The Cowboys are winning on defense right now.


I've always argued that teams should not rely so heavily on the quarterback.   I think Dallas is proving that with their defense and a lot of teams are having hyped up QBs really stink up the joint this season.

Sooner or later terms need to learn to start winning with a COMPLETE team.  There's very few Brady's and Rodgers out there that can put an entire team on their shoulders and win games.  QBs are not the magical beings that GMs and owners seem to think they are.

REALLY bad QBs will obviously lose you games, but few are worth the gigantic bucks.  Get a decently competent one and surround them with talent on both sides of the ball... and you'll win plenty.
 
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