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(Yahoo)   Putin wants a new "grand bargain" with the west. You can have my answer now, if you like. My offer is this: Nothing   (yahoo.com) divider line
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UberDave [OhFark]
2022-10-10 10:33:39 AM  
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abb3w [TotalFark]
2022-10-10 10:35:23 AM  
Not even the catering for the peace negotiations, which I would appreciate if you would put up personally.
 
Uchiha_Cycliste [TotalFark]
2022-10-10 10:36:23 AM  
Spits on ground.
Take it or leave it.
 
mrshowrules [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-10 10:58:06 AM  
I also support a grand new deal with Russia.  I just think Ukraine will have a much stronger bargaining position after the occupy Moscow and burn down the Kremlin.
 
Rwa2play [TotalFark]
2022-10-10 11:03:31 AM  
You forgot to add the following subby: Not even keeping Ukraine, Belarus and Georgia away from joining NATO; which the west would appreciate if you signed off on.
 
Ivo Shandor [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-10 11:16:29 AM  
Too late. The "bargain" now is for you to surrender, for Russian forces to withdraw over the internationally accepted border, and for your successor to start working on a schedule to pay reparations. We'll want a bunch of war crime investigations too.
 
bloobeary [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-10 11:18:59 AM  
Okay russia, here's the deal:
1) All russian troops out of Ukraine, now.
2) Unconditional surrender of russian government.
3) Putin sent to the ICC for judgement.
4) russia foots the bill for rebuilding Ukraine.

Do that and we let you live.
 
mrshowrules [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-10 11:28:09 AM  

bloobeary: Okay russia, here's the deal:
1) All russian troops out of Ukraine, now.
2) Unconditional surrender of russian government.
3) Putin sent to the ICC for judgement.
4) russia foots the bill for rebuilding Ukraine.

Do that and we let you live.


5) relinquish your seat on the UN Security Council
 
Exile On Beale Street [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-10 11:34:56 AM  
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SpectroBoy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-10 11:46:45 AM  
Dear Russia,

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Strongly worded letter to follow.
 
Rent Party
2022-10-10 11:52:54 AM  

mrshowrules: bloobeary: Okay russia, here's the deal:
1) All russian troops out of Ukraine, now.
2) Unconditional surrender of russian government.
3) Putin sent to the ICC for judgement.
4) russia foots the bill for rebuilding Ukraine.

Do that and we let you live.

5) relinquish your seat on the UN Security Council


Long term, this is the only thing that matters.   Russia on the UNSC is a goddamn travesty.
 
New Rising Sun
2022-10-10 11:52:59 AM  
Kalin noted that Moscow feels that the agreements made at the end of the Cold War, under Presidents Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin, no longer reflect the Russia of today.


(. _ .)   And whose fault is that?
 
special20 [TotalFark]
2022-10-10 11:53:20 AM  
America does not negotiate with terrorists.
EOM
 
tuxbabe
2022-10-10 11:54:31 AM  
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Rage Against the Thorazine [TotalFark]
2022-10-10 11:54:39 AM  
Da we have deal to offer. You give us what we want and we stop taking it.
 
Im_Gumby
2022-10-10 11:54:40 AM  

mrshowrules: bloobeary: Okay russia, here's the deal:
1) All russian troops out of Ukraine's boarders as of 2012, now.
2) Unconditional surrender of russian government.
3) Putin sent to the ICC for judgement.
4) russia foots the bill for rebuilding Ukraine.
5) relinquish your seat on the UN Security Council

6) return all kidnapped to Ukraine

/slightly updated
 
NewportBarGuy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-10 11:55:03 AM  
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Ivo Shandor [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-10 11:55:31 AM  

special20: America does not negotiate with terrorists.
EOM


Mike Pompeo and the Taliban might disagree with you there.
 
The Madd Mann [OhFark]
2022-10-10 11:55:35 AM  
Grand bargains with the US are for nations that aren't backwater third-rate shiatholes.

Justify why you deserve better treatment than Sudan.
 
db2
2022-10-10 11:55:38 AM  
Take him to Detroit.
 
shpritz
2022-10-10 11:55:43 AM  
I want a foot massage from Ana de Armas wearing nothing but a pink wig.
 
LarryDan43
2022-10-10 11:55:59 AM  
Retreat, surrender everything you took and pay us.
 
Kittypie070
2022-10-10 11:56:28 AM  
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jso2897
2022-10-10 11:56:43 AM  
A. Leave Ukraine.
B. Return all kidnapped Ukrainians.
C. Leave Crimea
D. Return all kidnapped Crimeans, send Russian placeholders home to Russia.
E. Sit down and fold your hands in your lap and keep them to yourself from now on.
 
inglixthemad
2022-10-10 11:56:43 AM  
Hey Vlad

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ImpendingCynic
2022-10-10 11:56:59 AM  
I have a counter offer: you go f*ck yourself, and in exchange, we get to watch you go f*ck yourself.
 
2wolves [TotalFark]
2022-10-10 11:57:13 AM  
"Nuts."  -  General Anthony McAuliffe
 
Ivo Shandor [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-10 11:57:14 AM  

shpritz: I want a foot massage from Ana de Armas wearing nothing but a pink wig.


You do realize that a wish worded like that would end up with you wearing the wig, right?
 
Rent Party
2022-10-10 11:59:37 AM  

Ivo Shandor: shpritz: I want a foot massage from Ana de Armas wearing nothing but a pink wig.

You do realize that a wish worded like that would end up with you wearing the wig, right?


Doesn't change a thing.
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-10 12:00:23 PM  
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kbronsito
2022-10-10 12:00:30 PM  
The West used to bargain with the USSR. It may bargain with China.

But Russia is a has been power with a crap economy and a shiat military. The US barely respects France or the UK and both those second rate powers are orders of magnitude closer to being a world player than Russia in both economics and military tech.
 
lordjupiter
2022-10-10 12:00:45 PM  
Effective leaders who want a new deal reflecting updated realities tend to negotiate for those things.

Dictators who want their enemies to drop their guard PREtend to negotiate for those things.
 
whidbey
2022-10-10 12:00:59 PM  
"There is a new Russia, there is a new world, there is a new reality, and they want to have a new bargain," he said, adding that as a result, the entire global liberal order is facing a big test.

Well that shiat sure was vague.
 
Weatherkiss [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-10 12:01:43 PM  
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Serious Black
2022-10-10 12:01:56 PM  
People who have the upper hand in the real world get to dictate the principles behind a negotiation or a "grand bargain". What upper hand does Putin have? Nukes? That's not an upper hand; that's a death wish. No, the West has the upper hand here, and that means they get to dictate the terms of negotiation.
 
TheCubsFan
2022-10-10 12:02:19 PM  
So what is this supposed "new deal"?  I mean I'm sure it would have been 100% bullshiat but it would be nice to include some actual details in the article.
 
Meatsim1
2022-10-10 12:02:33 PM  
What is he even offering? What can he even offer?
 
Olympic Trolling Judge
2022-10-10 12:03:18 PM  

New Rising Sun: Kalin noted that Moscow feels that the agreements made at the end of the Cold War, under Presidents Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin, no longer reflect the Russia of today.


(. _ .)   And whose fault is that?


I mean, he's technically correct.  We made those agreements on the assumption that "the new Russia" would be a strategic partner in good faith.  And to be fair, Gorby's USSR could have been.  But under Yeltsin?  Under Putin?  Nah.
 
Communist Middleschool Student
2022-10-10 12:03:42 PM  
You understand we don't want to conquer Russia. It's big, it's cold, there's nothing there.

You also understand that the national borders as they are now are how they are
 
shpritz
2022-10-10 12:03:52 PM  

Ivo Shandor: shpritz: I want a foot massage from Ana de Armas wearing nothing but a pink wig.

You do realize that a wish worded like that would end up with you wearing the wig, right?


It's a win either way as far as I'm concerned. So let's say it's her choice.
 
PhoenixFarker [TotalFark]
2022-10-10 12:04:13 PM  

2wolves: "Nuts."  -  General Anthony McAuliffe


Came for this, leaving happy.
 
Glicky
2022-10-10 12:04:23 PM  

whidbey: "There is a new Russia, there is a new world, there is a new reality, and they want to have a new bargain," he said, adding that as a result, the entire global liberal order is facing a big test.

Well that shiat sure was vague.


I think they they want the FA without the FO in their defined area, Baltic states to the Pacific.  I suspect they may even have designs on Finland but that would entail finding out.
 
oopsboom
2022-10-10 12:04:28 PM  
it looks inevitable that Russia's war in Ukraine will continue for some time, and the question is how much damage will have occurred before negotiations resume

just to clarify here...
are we talking about damage to ukraine or russia?  b/c russia seems to be getting their ass beat at the moment.  this statement would seem to apply more to russia currently.
 
New Rising Sun
2022-10-10 12:04:38 PM  

Ivo Shandor: shpritz: I want a foot massage from Ana de Armas wearing nothing but a pink wig.

You do realize that a wish worded like that would end up with you wearing the wig, right?


You say that like it's a problem.  I would wear pretty much whatever she wanted.
 
GregInIndy
2022-10-10 12:04:56 PM  
There's never been a "bargain" of the type he envisions with Russia, where we serve up other nations' sovereignty to him because he demands it. The policy has been and remains containment, helping our friends, and promoting & supporting democracy abroad.
 
Bungles
2022-10-10 12:05:02 PM  
How about we have a new round of post-USSR referenda in the various regions and oblasts of Russia? I suspect you've created a whole new fleet of independent Ukraines.
 
Communist Middleschool Student
2022-10-10 12:05:49 PM  

GregInIndy: There's never been a "bargain" of the type he envisions with Russia, where we serve up other nations' sovereignty to him because he demands it. The policy has been and remains containment, helping our friends, and promoting & supporting democracy abroad.


*Offer void when Republicans in white House.
 
lilbjorn
2022-10-10 12:06:25 PM  
As my old man would have said: If you were at war with the Collective West, you'd know it!
 
hej
2022-10-10 12:06:36 PM  
I'm not sure going back to pre-1990's Soviet Union is a "new" deal.
 
whidbey
2022-10-10 12:07:05 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: New Rising Sun: Kalin noted that Moscow feels that the agreements made at the end of the Cold War, under Presidents Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin, no longer reflect the Russia of today.


(. _ .)   And whose fault is that?

I mean, he's technically correct.  We made those agreements on the assumption that "the new Russia" would be a strategic partner in good faith.  And to be fair, Gorby's USSR could have been.  But under Yeltsin?  Under Putin?  Nah.


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It means we too want peace---of Ukraine.
 
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