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2022-10-08 3:10:10 AM  
Still impressive
 
2022-10-08 6:25:35 AM  

edmo: Still impressive


I mean, OnStar had this eons ago. Android in 2018.
 
2022-10-08 6:30:32 AM  

jclaggett: edmo: Still impressive

I mean, OnStar had this eons ago. Android in 2018.


But it was still invented by Apple, and they have the money and lawyers to prove it.
 
2022-10-08 6:39:54 AM  
iPhone 15 will automatically shoot minorities when a threat is reported.

Posted from my iPhone 7. Or was it...?
 
2022-10-08 6:44:20 AM  
That call - alerting officers to the car-tree collision...

Car-tree collision suggests they haven't determined who's at fault yet. The car is at fault. Trust me on this one.
 
2022-10-08 7:01:09 AM  

phishrace: That call - alerting officers to the car-tree collision...

Car-tree collision suggests they haven't determined who's at fault yet. The car is at fault. Trust me on this one.


The tree could have been an Ent and attacked the car!
 
2022-10-08 7:01:10 AM  

jclaggett: edmo: Still impressive

I mean, OnStar had this eons ago. Android in 2018.


Yeah, that's cool and all, but I hated it when the ringing phone interrupted my Beach Boy's car crash music soundtrack.

/God only knows where I'd be without you
//Without you!
///God only knows!
////I rolled the car at the harmonizing part after 1:36
//Stupid OnStar could've waited until the song finished
//Oh wait, that's actually a good OnStar commercial ... What would've I done without it? God only knows ...
 
2022-10-08 7:06:43 AM  

phishrace: That call - alerting officers to the car-tree collision...

Car-tree collision suggests they haven't determined who's at fault yet. The car is at fault. Trust me on this one.


Ent-like typing detected.
 
2022-10-08 7:39:06 AM  
Don't drop your phone out the car window... could be on the hook for some expensive emergency responders.
 
2022-10-08 7:40:14 AM  
Fta:
All of that is paired with an algorithm - developed with a million hours of real-world driving and crash record data, Apple said - to sense side and front impacts, rear-end collisions and rollovers.


Does this come across as not some mundane detail to anyone else?
 
2022-10-08 8:15:24 AM  

jclaggett: edmo: Still impressive

I mean, OnStar had this eons ago. Android in 2018.


From the article:

"The technology is new to Apple, but it's been available for several years. Google's Pixel phone introduced it in 2018, and several third-party companies - like OnStar and Life360 - also offer crash-detection services."
 
2022-10-08 8:29:04 AM  
No, it's not the first time an iPhone has dialed 911.  Reddit has already had a few stories over the past few years of it happening with motorcyclists. (along with a guy whose iPhone fell off the mount on the tank)
 
2022-10-08 8:35:05 AM  
This is an ad
 
2022-10-08 8:58:50 AM  

BunkyBrewman: No, it's not the first time an iPhone has dialed 911.  Reddit has already had a few stories over the past few years of it happening with motorcyclists. (along with a guy whose iPhone fell off the mount on the tank)


Siri, call an ambulance!
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2022-10-08 9:00:26 AM  
Okay, that's kind of neat but really the last thing I want to hear as the life drains from my body is the voice of Siri.
 
2022-10-08 9:20:49 AM  

punkwrestler: phishrace: That call - alerting officers to the car-tree collision...

Car-tree collision suggests they haven't determined who's at fault yet. The car is at fault. Trust me on this one.

The tree could have been an Ent and attacked the car!


Great. If Bezos sees this thread you know they'll work that into Ring of Power somehow.
 
2022-10-08 9:21:48 AM  

dmc12mk3: Fta:
All of that is paired with an algorithm - developed with a million hours of real-world driving and crash record data, Apple said - to sense side and front impacts, rear-end collisions and rollovers.


Does this come across as not some mundane detail to anyone else?


The "article" is basically an ad.
 
2022-10-08 9:22:19 AM  
get a little too enthusiastic rounding a corner?
 
2022-10-08 9:23:54 AM  

BunkyBrewman: No, it's not the first time an iPhone has dialed 911.  Reddit has already had a few stories over the past few years of it happening with motorcyclists. (along with a guy whose iPhone fell off the mount on the tank)


I think the article is phrasing it as 'the first time it's happened *here*'.
 
2022-10-08 9:24:49 AM  
Article a week or two ago about a guy on a motorcycle that dropped his while driving.  It caused his relatives to think he'd been in a crash.
 
2022-10-08 9:25:08 AM  

snowjack: Don't drop your phone out the car window... could be on the hook for some expensive emergency responders.


You know how I know you didn't read the article?

The motion-sensing technology relies on a series of components: an accelerometer to measure G-forces, a gyroscope, a barometer to detect cabin pressure changes from an airbag deployment, GPS and the microphone, which can recognize the sound of a crash.

If you dropped your phone out of the window, two of those components, namely the barometer and microphone wouldn't properly detect their appropriate measurements and the car crash algorithm wouldn't trigger. It was designed to prevent false positives like that.
 
2022-10-08 9:38:20 AM  
Call me when the fan bois' self driving cars stop driving into trees.
 
2022-10-08 9:44:21 AM  
Third to say
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2022-10-08 9:48:00 AM  

tuxq: This is an ad


Thank you!  I was looking to see if I was missing something. Nothing in the article states about the response. What else happened about the response of status of others.

Ad.
 
2022-10-08 9:49:19 AM  

SamLowryDZ-015: Article a week or two ago about a guy on a motorcycle that dropped his while driving.  It caused his relatives to think he'd been in a crash.


Only a matter of time.
 
2022-10-08 9:53:23 AM  
(cfreak:

The "article" is basically an ad.

and thank you

Erma Gerdd: Third to say
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and you)
 
2022-10-08 9:54:35 AM  

phishrace: That call - alerting officers to the car-tree collision...

Car-tree collision suggests they haven't determined who's at fault yet. The car is at fault. Trust me on this one.


"This is an American car, traveling at 63 mph. Advise you to divert your course to the left."
"This is a tree. Your call."
 
2022-10-08 9:56:03 AM  

Madison_Smiled: phishrace: That call - alerting officers to the car-tree collision...

Car-tree collision suggests they haven't determined who's at fault yet. The car is at fault. Trust me on this one.

Ent-like typing detected.


I see the typical Fark root-licking brigade is out in full force this morning.
 
2022-10-08 9:58:28 AM  

phishrace: That call - alerting officers to the car-tree collision...

Car-tree collision suggests they haven't determined who's at fault yet. The car is at fault. Trust me on this one.


He's About To Hit A Chestnut Tree (The Simpsons)
Youtube 9Z1Hl67fNt0
 
2022-10-08 10:23:11 AM  

cfreak: punkwrestler: phishrace: That call - alerting officers to the car-tree collision...

Car-tree collision suggests they haven't determined who's at fault yet. The car is at fault. Trust me on this one.

The tree could have been an Ent and attacked the car!

Great. If Bezos sees this thread you know they'll work that into Ring of Power somehow.


That's ENTertainment!
 
2022-10-08 10:34:14 AM  

cfreak: dmc12mk3: Fta:
All of that is paired with an algorithm - developed with a million hours of real-world driving and crash record data, Apple said - to sense side and front impacts, rear-end collisions and rollovers.


Does this come across as not some mundane detail to anyone else?

The "article" is basically an ad.


Thanks, Jimmy.
 
2022-10-08 10:44:00 AM  
They hit a tree? Jesus, how fast were they going?
 
2022-10-08 10:44:06 AM  
is believed to be the first time an automated cellphone message has contacted the 911 center

HA no , couple weeks ago the motorcycle guy dropped his phone and it called the police , but he didn't hit a tree or die.

oh wait . THE 911 center not A 911 center.
 
2022-10-08 10:55:58 AM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: They hit a tree? Jesus, how fast were they going?


Probably joyriding teens, or a stolen car, and not a single one of them was seatbelted.
 
2022-10-08 11:08:22 AM  

ajgeek: snowjack: Don't drop your phone out the car window... could be on the hook for some expensive emergency responders.

You know how I know you didn't read the article?

The motion-sensing technology relies on a series of components: an accelerometer to measure G-forces, a gyroscope, a barometer to detect cabin pressure changes from an airbag deployment, GPS and the microphone, which can recognize the sound of a crash.

If you dropped your phone out of the window, two of those components, namely the barometer and microphone wouldn't properly detect their appropriate measurements and the car crash algorithm wouldn't trigger. It was designed to prevent false positives like that.


And yet...

https://www.fark.com/comments/12573266/I-dropped-my-new-iPhone-EVERYBODY-PANIC
 
2022-10-08 11:16:05 AM  

Cyrene Valantion: BunkyBrewman: No, it's not the first time an iPhone has dialed 911.  Reddit has already had a few stories over the past few years of it happening with motorcyclists. (along with a guy whose iPhone fell off the mount on the tank)

I think the article is phrasing it as 'the first time it's happened *here*'.


This particular iPhone feature was only rolled out last month, so this could be the first time that it triggered for a real crash (vs. a false alarm from a dropped phone).
 
2022-10-08 11:35:33 AM  

Ivo Shandor: ajgeek: snowjack: Don't drop your phone out the car window... could be on the hook for some expensive emergency responders.

You know how I know you didn't read the article?

The motion-sensing technology relies on a series of components: an accelerometer to measure G-forces, a gyroscope, a barometer to detect cabin pressure changes from an airbag deployment, GPS and the microphone, which can recognize the sound of a crash.

If you dropped your phone out of the window, two of those components, namely the barometer and microphone wouldn't properly detect their appropriate measurements and the car crash algorithm wouldn't trigger. It was designed to prevent false positives like that.

And yet...

https://www.fark.com/comments/12573266/I-dropped-my-new-iPhone-EVERYBODY-PANIC


Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2022-10-08 11:50:10 AM  

jclaggett: edmo: Still impressive

I mean, OnStar had this eons ago. Android in 2018.


True, but OnStar requires you to buy a GM vehicle and pay a subscription fee, so it isn't for everyone while having the feature on the iPhone makes it much more widely available to people.

Also, the Apple implement III is a little more advanced than what Android has because Apple has a new accelerometer in the iPhone 14 models that supposedly can more accurately detect crashes (assuming you don't drop your phone off the handlebars of your bike).

Just because someone did something first doesn't mean it shouldn't be a nice thing that a safety feature gets added to a popular phone. It would be stupid for Apple to not do it and just let people bleed to death on the side of the road because Google did it first and it would be unseemly to copy them.
 
2022-10-08 12:36:29 PM  
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2022-10-08 12:42:34 PM  

snowjack: Ivo Shandor: ajgeek: snowjack: Don't drop your phone out the car window... could be on the hook for some expensive emergency responders.

You know how I know you didn't read the article?

The motion-sensing technology relies on a series of components: an accelerometer to measure G-forces, a gyroscope, a barometer to detect cabin pressure changes from an airbag deployment, GPS and the microphone, which can recognize the sound of a crash.

If you dropped your phone out of the window, two of those components, namely the barometer and microphone wouldn't properly detect their appropriate measurements and the car crash algorithm wouldn't trigger. It was designed to prevent false positives like that.

And yet...

https://www.fark.com/comments/12573266/I-dropped-my-new-iPhone-EVERYBODY-PANIC

[Fark user image image 425x277]


... Goddamnit, Apple. I stood up for you for once and all I got was thrush with my foot so far in my mouth.

Fine... I concede your point.
/Posted from my Moto Z4
 
2022-10-08 12:46:08 PM  

punkwrestler: phishrace: That call - alerting officers to the car-tree collision...

Car-tree collision suggests they haven't determined who's at fault yet. The car is at fault. Trust me on this one.

The tree could have been an Ent and attacked the car!


It was an Apple tree.
 
2022-10-08 12:53:58 PM  

jclaggett: edmo: Still impressive

I mean, OnStar had this eons ago. Android in 2018.


Like many other "new" features, Android had it first, in a half-assed way, just so that they could crow about being first. Apple took the time to do it properly.
 
2022-10-08 1:19:53 PM  
My iphone 11 was acting glitchy in need of a reboot a few mos ago, and dialed 911 while I was holding it, and refused to stop no matter what buttons I pressed.
 
2022-10-08 2:07:52 PM  

jclaggett: edmo: Still impressive

I mean, OnStar had this eons ago. Android in 2018.


It's still nice. I don't have to pay a separate subscription and it follows me to rentals.
 
2022-10-08 3:09:04 PM  

AllyOop: tuxq: This is an ad

Thank you!  I was looking to see if I was missing something. Nothing in the article states about the response. What else happened about the response of status of others.

Ad.


What are you looking for exactly? 911 was contacted, dispatched and they were dead already. The system worked, it just didn't matter.

Mad_Radhu: True, but OnStar requires you to buy a GM vehicle and pay a subscription fee, so it isn't for everyone while having the feature on the iPhone makes it much more widely available to people.

Also, the Apple implement III is a little more advanced than what Android has because Apple has a new accelerometer in the iPhone 14 models that supposedly can more accurately detect crashes (assuming you don't drop your phone off the handlebars of your bike).


OnStar is also detecting by deployment of the airbag system, not necessarily if you are in a low-speed crash where that doesn't happen. I am not sure the iPhone just detects a fall, so on a bicycle you'd probably be fine. I would imagine it is measuring your forward speed and free fall is different from a crash which has higher acceleration. 

Additionally, the iphone implementation doesn't do it entirely automatically, it asks for you to intervene from dialing. If you don't, then it calls.

dmc12mk3: Fta:
All of that is paired with an algorithm - developed with a million hours of real-world driving and crash record data, Apple said - to sense side and front impacts, rear-end collisions and rollovers.
Does this come across as not some mundane detail to anyone else?


What are you surprised by? They have both Apple Maps as a source and there are likely public sources that is anonymized data from various sensor equipped vehicles - especially if they were working with the NHSTA for example.
 
2022-10-08 3:24:17 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Cyrene Valantion: BunkyBrewman: No, it's not the first time an iPhone has dialed 911.  Reddit has already had a few stories over the past few years of it happening with motorcyclists. (along with a guy whose iPhone fell off the mount on the tank)

I think the article is phrasing it as 'the first time it's happened *here*'.

This particular iPhone feature was only rolled out last month, so this could be the first time that it triggered for a real crash (vs. a false alarm from a dropped phone).


Well, it works!  Could we get a few more Beta Testers to make sure?  Plenty of trees out there!
 
2022-10-08 3:49:18 PM  

phimuskapsi: AllyOop: tuxq: This is an ad

Thank you!  I was looking to see if I was missing something. Nothing in the article states about the response. What else happened about the response of status of others.

Ad.

What are you looking for exactly? 911 was contacted, dispatched and they were dead already. The system worked, it just didn't matter.

Mad_Radhu: True, but OnStar requires you to buy a GM vehicle and pay a subscription fee, so it isn't for everyone while having the feature on the iPhone makes it much more widely available to people.

Also, the Apple implement III is a little more advanced than what Android has because Apple has a new accelerometer in the iPhone 14 models that supposedly can more accurately detect crashes (assuming you don't drop your phone off the handlebars of your bike).

OnStar is also detecting by deployment of the airbag system, not necessarily if you are in a low-speed crash where that doesn't happen. I am not sure the iPhone just detects a fall, so on a bicycle you'd probably be fine. I would imagine it is measuring your forward speed and free fall is different from a crash which has higher acceleration. 

Additionally, the iphone implementation doesn't do it entirely automatically, it asks for you to intervene from dialing. If you don't, then it calls.

dmc12mk3: Fta:
All of that is paired with an algorithm - developed with a million hours of real-world driving and crash record data, Apple said - to sense side and front impacts, rear-end collisions and rollovers.
Does this come across as not some mundane detail to anyone else?

What are you surprised by? They have both Apple Maps as a source and there are likely public sources that is anonymized data from various sensor equipped vehicles - especially if they were working with the NHSTA for example.


I'm also sure they probably went to the crash test labs and paid them to allow Apple to place prototypes in the vehicles being tested.
 
2022-10-08 3:57:30 PM  
Mad_Radhu:

I'm also sure they probably went to the crash test labs and paid them to allow Apple to place prototypes in the vehicles being tested.

You know, I just felt my brain wrinkle and realized that Apple is developing their own car or automated car tech (or both). They probably have their own lab, and in that case, they would absolutely have access to sensor and anonymized crash data for research purposes.
 
2022-10-08 4:21:07 PM  

phimuskapsi: Mad_Radhu:

I'm also sure they probably went to the crash test labs and paid them to allow Apple to place prototypes in the vehicles being tested.

You know, I just felt my brain wrinkle and realized that Apple is developing their own car or automated car tech (or both). They probably have their own lab, and in that case, they would absolutely have access to sensor and anonymized crash data for research purposes.


True, but they also probably would want to validate that it worked not just with their own vehicles, but also other makes and models that are engineered differently. The easiest way to do a lot of real-world testing of a wide variety of brands would be to partner with the crash test labs.

I could definitely seem them having their own labs for testing older vehicles that might behave differently, just to make sure that they know it also works on that 16 year old RAV4 that a parent is buying for their kid that was born the same year the car was built.
 
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