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2022-10-07 5:29:14 PM  
I liked it overall. The fallout from Mount Doom's eruption was awesome.

I'm still not 100% clear on where the Harfoots are, but it seems to be somewhere close to where the Stoors ended up (southwest corner of Greenwood). I do wish they would have at least mentioned one way or the other if Elvish medicine could have helped Miriel's eyes, especially since Galdriel was so quick to take Halbrand to get healed.

Also... I don't care what he promises you, I don't care how cool it sounds... do NOT let Durin take you down to the basement. In fact they should probably not leave the steps open.

/wasn't expecting to see *that* today
 
2022-10-07 5:34:14 PM  
Soooo, mithril is now the spice melange for Elves.

Oh Kay.
 
2022-10-07 5:35:05 PM  
 
2022-10-07 5:35:27 PM  
Loving this show.  Moar!

After this and WOT give us Codex Alera and be a nerd legend Bezos.
 
2022-10-07 5:41:26 PM  

Trik: Soooo, mithril is now the spice melange for Elves.

Oh Kay.


I think it's a *bit* more convoluted than that. The mithril from Durin's mine is what Celebrimbor will use to make The Three.

Without the power from those Rings, Sauron would absolutely have conquered Middle-earth and very few Elves would have survived to sail into the Undying West. Two (if not all three) were present during the battle of The Last Alliance and all three were vital in the War of the Ring.
 
2022-10-07 5:57:44 PM  
The only thing that stop Adar is Z'Dar.

...too bad he's dead.
 
2022-10-07 6:13:58 PM  
I liked it overall. I had forgotten about the weird white-cloaked she-mages or whatever. Interesting that they can do magic. Harfoots having character growth. Prob. will end terribly for them just like much has since meeting Meteor Man.

I loved every scene with Elrond and Durin. Those actors have quite a chemistry, I'd believe they've been friends for centuries or whatever.

Also agree - "Halbrand needs Elvish medicine" but does not offer to Queen Regent? WTF she-elf? Alas, poor Isidulr, we know he doesn't die...thinking he gets to stay in Middle Earth for a while.

I'd really like to see Theo rise up as a great warrior and succumb to being one of the Nazgul - he did get those marks from the sword-key thingy.

Thought the BoM was a little on the nose, since you're close to the credits anyway just have the leaf burn up, real fans know what's in there even though they did spoil that reveal in one of the trailers.
 
2022-10-07 6:26:18 PM  

The_EliteOne: Thought the BoM was a little on the nose, since you're close to the credits anyway just have the leaf burn up, real fans know what's in there even though they did spoil that reveal in one of the trailers.


It's also an odd choice to introduce it at this point in the timeline. In the books it was awakened by Durin VI well into the Third Age. If it were already awake when the Rings first came into power under the reign of Durin III and IV, it would have chased the Dwarf population away that much sooner.

That said, the existence of "Durin's Bane" in Moria has always been an oddity in the story. It obviously gave us a really cool chapter in the book (which I appreciate), but it's hard to believe that a being of that much dark power was just sitting under a mountain for a couple thousand years and the Valar were like "eh, whatever. We already sank one continent trying to defeat those guys. Someone else can deal with it now."
 
2022-10-07 6:40:32 PM  

ZMugg: The only thing that stop Adar is Z'Dar.

...too bad he's dead.


The Jaw is eternal.  All things that can be crunched shall be crunched.
 
2022-10-07 6:47:59 PM  

JolobinSmokin: Loving this show.  Moar!

After this and WOT give us Codex Alera and be a nerd legend Bezos.


And then the animated Dresden Files!

/James Marsters voicing Bob.
 
2022-10-07 6:53:02 PM  
I'm loving this show. I agree with The_EliteOne that the chemistry between the actors playing Elrond and Sitting Durin have excellent chemistry--their timing and body language are just so genuine. Also, the guy who plays Elendil--wow. If he's never lost a kid of his own, he's one amazing actor.  That last shot of him as he's washed over with grief after Miriel unknowingly drives a dagger further into his heart by viewing to return is just a gut-punch.  I thought Halbrand was going to end up as the Witch King but now my eye's on Elendil.

I will say that I'm tired of the Harfoots, though. Brandyfoot makes this big speech about sticking together after they were going to leave his family behind?  "We stay true to each other"...unless you break an ankle and piss off Sadoc.  I don't know what role they play in the Silmarillion but, other than being ancestors of Hobbits, I'm not seeing why were spending 1/4 of the story on them.

I'll admit knowing nothing outside of the 4 novels, so I'm really enjoying watching things unfold and trying to figure out who's going to end up as whom (still leaning towards The Man Who Fell to (Middle) Earth is Sauron, only because Gandalf is too obvious.
 
2022-10-07 7:21:59 PM  

ZMugg: The only thing that stop Adar is Z'Dar.

...too bad he's dead.


Adar didn't survive the initial nuke bombardment of Caprica
 
2022-10-07 7:39:28 PM  
I wonder if they're giving Glorfindel's story to a certain other elf- i.e., he was so farking metal that the Valar brought him back to life in Second Age after his heroic death in the First.  If they do, then that would make poor Glorfindel a two time loser.  They replaced him with Arwen in Peter Jackson's movies.
 
2022-10-07 7:58:40 PM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I wonder if they're giving Glorfindel's story to a certain other elf- i.e., he was so farking metal that the Valar brought him back to life in Second Age after his heroic death in the First.  If they do, then that would make poor Glorfindel a two time loser.  They replaced him with Arwen in Peter Jackson's movies.


Yeah, I wondered what that dialog about Celeborn was all about.
 
2022-10-07 8:32:15 PM  
Cracking open Durin's Bain isn't just stupid - it is a contract violation. Amazon doesn't have rights to the Third Age and DB sleeps through the Second.
 
2022-10-07 9:05:02 PM  
I was thinking the meteor guy was Saruman, and he founds the wizards conclave.
 
2022-10-07 9:06:46 PM  
My only gripe is, well, did they really need to say it? The Southlands/Mordor transition was cheesy. It felt like something a coked up exec that never read the books and feel asleep during the movies insisted on.
 
2022-10-07 9:15:48 PM  

Dave The Slushy: My only gripe is, well, did they really need to say it? The Southlands/Mordor transition was cheesy. It felt like something a coked up exec that never read the books and feel asleep during the movies insisted on.


Oh yeah that was straight up four cheese Mac & cheese - like I get in the first episode or three when we see a new land, OBVIOUSLY WE ALL KNOW by episode 8...

Like who the hell was that for? Even my most barbarian uncle or cousin would wonder why this is being spoon fed.
 
2022-10-07 9:24:38 PM  

clkeagle: The_EliteOne: Thought the BoM was a little on the nose, since you're close to the credits anyway just have the leaf burn up, real fans know what's in there even though they did spoil that reveal in one of the trailers.

It's also an odd choice to introduce it at this point in the timeline. In the books it was awakened by Durin VI well into the Third Age. If it were already awake when the Rings first came into power under the reign of Durin III and IV, it would have chased the Dwarf population away that much sooner.

That said, the existence of "Durin's Bane" in Moria has always been an oddity in the story. It obviously gave us a really cool chapter in the book (which I appreciate), but it's hard to believe that a being of that much dark power was just sitting under a mountain for a couple thousand years and the Valar were like "eh, whatever. We already sank one continent trying to defeat those guys. Someone else can deal with it now."


It was cool seeing the Balrog, but yeah, the timing makes zero sense unless he just rolls over and goes back to sleep for a thousand years or so.
 
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2022-10-07 10:03:55 PM  

NeoCortex42: clkeagle: The_EliteOne: Thought the BoM was a little on the nose, since you're close to the credits anyway just have the leaf burn up, real fans know what's in there even though they did spoil that reveal in one of the trailers.

It's also an odd choice to introduce it at this point in the timeline. In the books it was awakened by Durin VI well into the Third Age. If it were already awake when the Rings first came into power under the reign of Durin III and IV, it would have chased the Dwarf population away that much sooner.

That said, the existence of "Durin's Bane" in Moria has always been an oddity in the story. It obviously gave us a really cool chapter in the book (which I appreciate), but it's hard to believe that a being of that much dark power was just sitting under a mountain for a couple thousand years and the Valar were like "eh, whatever. We already sank one continent trying to defeat those guys. Someone else can deal with it now."

It was cool seeing the Balrog, but yeah, the timing makes zero sense unless he just rolls over and goes back to sleep for a thousand years or so.


_____________________________

"What awakens me????"  "Oh, a flippin' leaf?  I'm hittin' that snooze button!"
 
2022-10-07 11:38:18 PM  
This whole mithril storyline is just stupid.
 
2022-10-08 12:17:47 AM  
I was hoping they would open up Galadriel like a backed potato. Was looking for the butter and sour cream.
 
2022-10-08 12:27:06 AM  

RoLleRKoaSTeR: I was hoping they would open up Galadriel like a backed potato. Was looking for the butter and sour cream.


...I genuinely can't tell if you're hungry or horny from that comment.
 
2022-10-08 12:46:12 AM  
I can't wait to watch it and see this week's funny hats.
 
2022-10-08 2:04:05 AM  
Don't have the streaming service but wanted to check in how Fark likes the show.

YouTube attention whores hate this show second to She Hulk (I can only guess why), but I notice it's been gaining traction this week when I doomscroll suggestions past my usual fare. "WORST THING EVER TO TOLKIEN!!!"

/you click on Critical Drinker just once ... and all that whining appeared, it seems
//Tolkien's books weren't my jam but didn't have anything against the movies; I liked the '70s Hobbit cartoon though
 
2022-10-08 7:06:50 AM  
Tried to watch it. Fell asleep.
 
2022-10-08 7:19:11 AM  

brigid_fitch: I'm loving this show. I agree with The_EliteOne that the chemistry between the actors playing Elrond and Sitting Durin have excellent chemistry--their timing and body language are just so genuine. Also, the guy who plays Elendil--wow. If he's never lost a kid of his own, he's one amazing actor.  That last shot of him as he's washed over with grief after Miriel unknowingly drives a dagger further into his heart by viewing to return is just a gut-punch.  I thought Halbrand was going to end up as the Witch King but now my eye's on Elendil.

I will say that I'm tired of the Harfoots, though. Brandyfoot makes this big speech about sticking together after they were going to leave his family behind?  "We stay true to each other"...unless you break an ankle and piss off Sadoc.  I don't know what role they play in the Silmarillion but, other than being ancestors of Hobbits, I'm not seeing why were spending 1/4 of the story on them.

I'll admit knowing nothing outside of the 4 novels, so I'm really enjoying watching things unfold and trying to figure out who's going to end up as whom (still leaning towards The Man Who Fell to (Middle) Earth is Sauron, only because Gandalf is too obvious.


You think Elendil will become the Witch King?
 
2022-10-08 7:55:26 AM  
They are doing some cool stuff, like the origin of Mordor. My favorite parts are Elrond and Durin.  Get some good 'lad' vibes from them.  I like how Elrond is portrayed especially. Literally not afraid to get his hands dirty.

I'm not keen on the mithril idea but I see where they are going with it and it ties into lore so...eh ok.

I enjoy speculating on the Stranger and who/where is Sauron.  It's a matter of taste, maybe, but Galadriel is a little too Terminator.  But was she was in the Silmarillion?  I'm only 1/3 through it.  Or maybe movie Galadriel has me hopelessly influenced.

Love the Numenoreans and especially Elendil.  That dude can act! They did them right, love the armor and society.

I'm really enjoying it and hate that the season is almost over.  Gorgeous show and I'm fairly invested in the characters (Theo's the future WK, heh).  I like this more than HoD but HoD has a much lower budget and scale.
 
2022-10-08 8:42:05 AM  

clkeagle: RoLleRKoaSTeR: I was hoping they would open up Galadriel like a backed potato. Was looking for the butter and sour cream.

...I genuinely can't tell if you're hungry or horny from that comment.


Surprised no one else got hungry from all that Cheeto dust.
 
2022-10-08 8:45:21 AM  

madgonad: Cracking open Durin's Bain isn't just stupid - it is a contract violation. Amazon doesn't have rights to the Third Age and DB sleeps through the Second.


Doesn't Durin's bane chase the dwarves out of Moria until Balin reopens the mines after they retake the Lonely Mountain?   Then Balin and company are overrun by orcs years before the Fellowship arrives.

In other words, Durin eventually mines the Mithril for Elrond (and plenty for himself) eventually attracting the attention of the Balrog, abandoning Moria for millennia.

Basing this all on memory so probably wrong.
 
2022-10-08 8:48:50 AM  

Practical_Draconian: Don't have the streaming service but wanted to check in how Fark likes the show.

YouTube attention whores hate this show second to She Hulk (I can only guess why), but I notice it's been gaining traction this week when I doomscroll suggestions past my usual fare. "WORST THING EVER TO TOLKIEN!!!"

/you click on Critical Drinker just once ... and all that whining appeared, it seems
//Tolkien's books weren't my jam but didn't have anything against the movies; I liked the '70s Hobbit cartoon though


Of the three show's that rile up the incels, this is the worst one.

Not saying it's bad at all, it's actually good, but the other two are better.
 
2022-10-08 8:50:44 AM  
Durin's Bane did not wake up and drove out the dwarves out of Moria until T.A. 1980 (that is Third Age).
 
2022-10-08 8:51:27 AM  

Tannhauser: They are doing some cool stuff, like the origin of Mordor. My favorite parts are Elrond and Durin.  Get some good 'lad' vibes from them.  I like how Elrond is portrayed especially. Literally not afraid to get his hands dirty.

I'm not keen on the mithril idea but I see where they are going with it and it ties into lore so...eh ok.

I enjoy speculating on the Stranger and who/where is Sauron.  It's a matter of taste, maybe, but Galadriel is a little too Terminator.  But was she was in the Silmarillion?  I'm only 1/3 through it.  Or maybe movie Galadriel has me hopelessly influenced.

Love the Numenoreans and especially Elendil.  That dude can act! They did them right, love the armor and society.

I'm really enjoying it and hate that the season is almost over.  Gorgeous show and I'm fairly invested in the characters (Theo's the future WK, heh).  I like this more than HoD but HoD has a much lower budget and scale.


Galadriel ends up a ring bearer, with one of The Three. You don't get that without being a total badass.
 
2022-10-08 8:54:04 AM  

Tannhauser: They are doing some cool stuff, like the origin of Mordor. My favorite parts are Elrond and Durin.  Get some good 'lad' vibes from them.  I like how Elrond is portrayed especially. Literally not afraid to get his hands dirty.

I'm not keen on the mithril idea but I see where they are going with it and it ties into lore so...eh ok.

I enjoy speculating on the Stranger and who/where is Sauron.  It's a matter of taste, maybe, but Galadriel is a little too Terminator.  But was she was in the Silmarillion?  I'm only 1/3 through it.  Or maybe movie Galadriel has me hopelessly influenced.

Love the Numenoreans and especially Elendil.  That dude can act! They did them right, love the armor and society.

I'm really enjoying it and hate that the season is almost over.  Gorgeous show and I'm fairly invested in the characters (Theo's the future WK, heh).  I like this more than HoD but HoD has a much lower budget and scale.


She is named through out the book, but she doesn't really do anything.

Not a great warrior, like all the other Noldor heroes. Let's face it, if she was, she would be dead like them.

I kinda think she was edited in later so that she had the proper pedigree for her big role in LoTR.
 
2022-10-08 8:59:29 AM  
How can Elendil be the Witch King if Sauron kills him on the battlefield so Isildul can use his father's broken sword to cut the ring off Sauron's finger?
 
2022-10-08 9:02:51 AM  
It's true, The Rings of Power is visually arresting, but the plot is not as interesting as I expected.
 
2022-10-08 9:46:58 AM  

KingKauff: How can Elendil be the Witch King if Sauron kills him on the battlefield so Isildul can use his father's broken sword to cut the ring off Sauron's finger?


About as silly as Isildur being on of the Nazgul.

Then again, they did that in Shadow of War.
 
2022-10-08 10:58:33 AM  

Great_Milenko: Tannhauser: They are doing some cool stuff, like the origin of Mordor. My favorite parts are Elrond and Durin.  Get some good 'lad' vibes from them.  I like how Elrond is portrayed especially. Literally not afraid to get his hands dirty.

I'm not keen on the mithril idea but I see where they are going with it and it ties into lore so...eh ok.

I enjoy speculating on the Stranger and who/where is Sauron.  It's a matter of taste, maybe, but Galadriel is a little too Terminator.  But was she was in the Silmarillion?  I'm only 1/3 through it.  Or maybe movie Galadriel has me hopelessly influenced.

Love the Numenoreans and especially Elendil.  That dude can act! They did them right, love the armor and society.

I'm really enjoying it and hate that the season is almost over.  Gorgeous show and I'm fairly invested in the characters (Theo's the future WK, heh).  I like this more than HoD but HoD has a much lower budget and scale.

Galadriel ends up a ring bearer, with one of The Three. You don't get that without being a total badass.


It was the best example of a successful saving throw vs. death from D&D ever.

/Super nerd.
 
2022-10-08 11:05:54 AM  
Oops. That was supposed to be in response to her surviving the blast.
 
2022-10-08 1:08:04 PM  

Great_Milenko: madgonad: Cracking open Durin's Bain isn't just stupid - it is a contract violation. Amazon doesn't have rights to the Third Age and DB sleeps through the Second.

Doesn't Durin's bane chase the dwarves out of Moria until Balin reopens the mines after they retake the Lonely Mountain?   Then Balin and company are overrun by orcs years before the Fellowship arrives.

In other words, Durin eventually mines the Mithril for Elrond (and plenty for himself) eventually attracting the attention of the Balrog, abandoning Moria for millennia.

Basing this all on memory so probably wrong.


Wrong Durin.

The Durin of Durin's Bane is supposed to be the grandson of Prince Durin in the show.
 
2022-10-08 1:25:38 PM  

Clash City Farker: Tannhauser: They are doing some cool stuff, like the origin of Mordor. My favorite parts are Elrond and Durin.  Get some good 'lad' vibes from them.  I like how Elrond is portrayed especially. Literally not afraid to get his hands dirty.

I'm not keen on the mithril idea but I see where they are going with it and it ties into lore so...eh ok.

I enjoy speculating on the Stranger and who/where is Sauron.  It's a matter of taste, maybe, but Galadriel is a little too Terminator.  But was she was in the Silmarillion?  I'm only 1/3 through it.  Or maybe movie Galadriel has me hopelessly influenced.

Love the Numenoreans and especially Elendil.  That dude can act! They did them right, love the armor and society.

I'm really enjoying it and hate that the season is almost over.  Gorgeous show and I'm fairly invested in the characters (Theo's the future WK, heh).  I like this more than HoD but HoD has a much lower budget and scale.

She is named through out the book, but she doesn't really do anything.

Not a great warrior, like all the other Noldor heroes. Let's face it, if she was, she would be dead like them.

I kinda think she was edited in later so that she had the proper pedigree for her big role in LoTR.


Outside of bearing one of the Three, Tolkien himself never quite settled on Galadriel's powers, abilities, even her proper place in Feanor's family tree (he had a hard time justifying how Gil-galad ended up on the throne instead of her). He mentioned all this in a few of his letters. We really don't know if what ended up in the Silmarillion was his final plan, or if it was just the most cohesive version that Christopher Tolkien was able to assemble from the various early notes and incomplete scraps he could find.

I've been saying all along that I absolutely love the character in the show and Morfydd Clark is crushing it. But that character should have been Celebrian instead of Galadriel. They would have had a blank slate to work with--Galadriel's daughter, Elrond's wife, mother to Arwen and her brothers. Other than that all we really know is oddly fitting: she was injured fighting Orcs and went into the West because Elrond couldn't fully heal her poisoned wounds.
 
2022-10-08 5:18:59 PM  

clkeagle: I liked it overall. The fallout from Mount Doom's eruption was awesome.

I'm still not 100% clear on where the Harfoots are, but it seems to be somewhere close to where the Stoors ended up (southwest corner of Greenwood). I do wish they would have at least mentioned one way or the other if Elvish medicine could have helped Miriel's eyes, especially since Galdriel was so quick to take Halbrand to get healed.

Also... I don't care what he promises you, I don't care how cool it sounds... do NOT let Durin take you down to the basement. In fact they should probably not leave the steps open.

/wasn't expecting to see *that* today


There is a great interactive version of the map that Amazon released prior to the show that shows the path certain characters have taken in The Rings of Power. It shows that the Harfoots and the stranger are currently on the southern edge of the mountains near the southwestern corner of the Sea of Rhûn, and ending up in Dorwinion before heading to Greenwood... or toward The Brown Lands just south of there would be a wise choice.

https://rop-map.com/
 
2022-10-08 5:29:11 PM  

Nick el Ass: clkeagle: I liked it overall. The fallout from Mount Doom's eruption was awesome.

I'm still not 100% clear on where the Harfoots are, but it seems to be somewhere close to where the Stoors ended up (southwest corner of Greenwood). I do wish they would have at least mentioned one way or the other if Elvish medicine could have helped Miriel's eyes, especially since Galdriel was so quick to take Halbrand to get healed.

Also... I don't care what he promises you, I don't care how cool it sounds... do NOT let Durin take you down to the basement. In fact they should probably not leave the steps open.

/wasn't expecting to see *that* today

There is a great interactive version of the map that Amazon released prior to the show that shows the path certain characters have taken in The Rings of Power. It shows that the Harfoots and the stranger are currently on the southern edge of the mountains near the southwestern corner of the Sea of Rhûn, and ending up in Dorwinion before heading to Greenwood... or toward The Brown Lands just south of there would be a wise choice.

https://rop-map.com/


Thank you for that--I didn't know it was a thing!
 
2022-10-08 6:19:23 PM  
It started slow, but has gotten better. And has likable characters (said looking directly at House of the Dragon)
 
2022-10-08 8:27:26 PM  

ReaverZ: It started slow, but has gotten better. And has likable characters (said looking directly at House of the Dragon)


Hey! I really liked the two main female characters for the first five episodes.
 
2022-10-08 9:30:59 PM  
I'm digging it.
The orcs look great. The rest of the effects and cinematography are very good. Score is excellent.

As for any changes. It's a limited interpretation, I'll give it some room to grow.
 
2022-10-08 9:35:28 PM  

baron von doodle: ReaverZ: It started slow, but has gotten better. And has likable characters (said looking directly at House of the Dragon)

Hey! I really liked the two main female characters for the first five episodes.


They're different shows entirely. RoP is high fantasy, while HotD is low fantasy. The most magical thing in Westeros is the dragons, and they're really just big Wyverns being used as steeds.

I like both shows for entirely different reasons. HotD is basically the modern-day version of prime-time intrigue and "backstabbing-biatches" soap operas like Falcon Crest, Dallas, and Dynasty. They just moved it to a different era, and can build drama by having those old-world taboos as pressure points.

RoP is more like a serious Dungeons & Dragons series that should have been. It's less "stoic" and dry than full-on, by-the-book Tolkien, but it's way more fantasy based and magical than HotD or even Game of Thrones.
 
2022-10-08 9:55:32 PM  
Conservatives like to complain that "the Left" has taken over pop culture, but it sometimes seems to me that the Right is just... abandoning the battlefield and taking themselves out of the game.  I mean, take the reaction to The Rings of Power. It's the opposite of what should have happened. This show is everything that conservatives said that they wanted -- a heroic tale of brave, honest Western men battling a force of pure evil. There are few gray areas and moral relativism. There's no sex, no nudity, no cuss words, no gay characters, no extreme gore, no weirdness or perversion. It's entirely wholesome. It's what they always claimed to want...

...but it has a few black actors in it, so it immediately becomes "woke." They angrily reject it. 99% purity is not enough; 1% liberal content means the entire thing is tainted, woke, and bad!

It's nonsensical.  They've abandoned Tolkien and let the liberals claim it. That's foolish.

The same thing is true of Star Wars.

In a sane world, conservatives would be claiming the Sequel trilogy as a victory and a vindication of their values. They could be mocking all the foolish liberals who wanted Rey to become a short-haired lesbian who don't need no man, and for Finn and Poe to become a gay couple... silly liberals, Disney would never let that happen because Disney is as American as baseball and apple pie!

Instead of any of that, the Sequels ended with the triumph of the Force Dyad. And what is the Force Dyad? It's a young man and woman becoming more powerful together. It's a paean to heterosexuality, the most heteronormative thing imaginable, the idea that the fusion of opposite and strictly-defined sexes has a mystical power, it's the basis of everything, man and woman!

Ben Solo gives his life to save the woman he loves, and then she takes his last name, the name of his family, to continue his line. A woman taking a man's last name is the very definition of patriarchy!

...but the woman was allowed to hold a lightsaber, so it immediately becomes "woke."

It's nonsensical.
 
2022-10-08 10:36:51 PM  

Socrofece: Conservatives like to complain that "the Left" has taken over pop culture, but it sometimes seems to me that the Right is just... abandoning the battlefield and taking themselves out of the game.  I mean, take the reaction to The Rings of Power. It's the opposite of what should have happened. This show is everything that conservatives said that they wanted -- a heroic tale of brave, honest Western men battling a force of pure evil. There are few gray areas and moral relativism. There's no sex, no nudity, no cuss words, no gay characters, no extreme gore, no weirdness or perversion. It's entirely wholesome. It's what they always claimed to want...

...but it has a few black actors in it, so it immediately becomes "woke." They angrily reject it. 99% purity is not enough; 1% liberal content means the entire thing is tainted, woke, and bad!

It's nonsensical.  They've abandoned Tolkien and let the liberals claim it. That's foolish.

The same thing is true of Star Wars.

In a sane world, conservatives would be claiming the Sequel trilogy as a victory and a vindication of their values. They could be mocking all the foolish liberals who wanted Rey to become a short-haired lesbian who don't need no man, and for Finn and Poe to become a gay couple... silly liberals, Disney would never let that happen because Disney is as American as baseball and apple pie!

Instead of any of that, the Sequels ended with the triumph of the Force Dyad. And what is the Force Dyad? It's a young man and woman becoming more powerful together. It's a paean to heterosexuality, the most heteronormative thing imaginable, the idea that the fusion of opposite and strictly-defined sexes has a mystical power, it's the basis of everything, man and woman!

Ben Solo gives his life to save the woman he loves, and then she takes his last name, the name of his family, to continue his line. A woman taking a man's last name is the very definition of patriarchy!

...but the woman was allowed to hold a lightsaber, ...


yeah but in star wars conservatives are the villain. because you know, they're fascists.
 
2022-10-08 11:54:44 PM  

clkeagle: Nick el Ass: clkeagle: I liked it overall. The fallout from Mount Doom's eruption was awesome.

I'm still not 100% clear on where the Harfoots are, but it seems to be somewhere close to where the Stoors ended up (southwest corner of Greenwood). I do wish they would have at least mentioned one way or the other if Elvish medicine could have helped Miriel's eyes, especially since Galdriel was so quick to take Halbrand to get healed.

Also... I don't care what he promises you, I don't care how cool it sounds... do NOT let Durin take you down to the basement. In fact they should probably not leave the steps open.

/wasn't expecting to see *that* today

There is a great interactive version of the map that Amazon released prior to the show that shows the path certain characters have taken in The Rings of Power. It shows that the Harfoots and the stranger are currently on the southern edge of the mountains near the southwestern corner of the Sea of Rhûn, and ending up in Dorwinion before heading to Greenwood... or toward The Brown Lands just south of there would be a wise choice.

https://rop-map.com/

Thank you for that--I didn't know it was a thing!


Sorry for the sloppy comment, but whoever made that map deserves a lot of credit since even with episode five showing the direction they were going it was still confusing to a lot of people... and we could see a lot of cool places along the way.
 
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