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2022-10-07 8:17:26 AM  
But less prone to "mistakes" than machine counted ballots.
 
2022-10-07 8:35:29 AM  
Also, can't trust the results to be sent in to the State by any electronic means.  Riders on Horseback only!
 
2022-10-07 8:44:05 AM  
Most trump supporters can't count higher than 21, some can only count to 20.
 
2022-10-07 8:49:49 AM  
"We're just gonna protect these here boxes by taking them into our custody and out of the hands of them 'officials' who can't be trusted. You never mind how heavy these boxes are going out, you just worry about how many votes they got coming in from us. That's called 'trust', Old Son, you might want to try that."

This is the best they got?
 
2022-10-07 8:55:53 AM  
Anything done by trump supporters is by nature unreliable.
 
2022-10-07 8:56:55 AM  
They have trouble when they run out of fingers and toes.
 
2022-10-07 8:57:50 AM  
I feel we'd get more accurate tallies if we let Iraq oversee the election.
 
2022-10-07 8:59:00 AM  

grokca: Most trump supporters can't count higher than 21, some can only count to 20.


10, tops, for all of them; they haven't seen the other 10 (and definitely not the other 1) in years.
 
2022-10-07 8:59:29 AM  

Snapper Carr: They have trouble when they run out of fingers and toes.


And for the ones that aren't wearing sandals, it's not like they remember they have toes.
 
2022-10-07 9:00:37 AM  
I used to have commercial clip art from the '60s for companies to brag that their bills are calculated by hand and not by one of those crazy computer things.
 
2022-10-07 9:03:03 AM  

Snapper Carr: They have trouble when they run out of fingers and toes.


It's why MTG can only count to 16.
 
2022-10-07 9:06:29 AM  
I'd think a room full of people saying, "One Mississippi, two Mississippi," would confuse the count.
 
2022-10-07 9:07:26 AM  
You mean injecting a large number of humans into a situation makes everything worse? You don't say.
 
2022-10-07 9:09:34 AM  
But what about "tHe HuMaN eLeMeNt?!?!?!?!"
 
2022-10-07 9:10:27 AM  
Human counting is a Republican entitlement.  This relocation of GOP capitol hill staff wouldn't have happened outside a computer room.  It also takes a human gaggle of reporters.  Robots wouldn't be so naive, or purposely mislead, that they were local Broward county voters.
 
2022-10-07 9:10:56 AM  

WhackingDay: You mean injecting a large number of humans into a situation makes everything worse? You don't say.


When I was a kid, in my teens, I remember seeing people in lines, almost always in Georgia, almost always black neighborhoods... same as today... waiting to vote because out of the three machines they gave them, 2 were broken, or they ran out of ballots, or some shiat.

I thought to myself... Why don't we just take out like $20b (at the time a lot more than today) and create a national voting system. Same machines, all provided by the government, all with service contracts paid for by the government. They provide the systems, pay for the systems, and the state would, obviously, control the elections with a standardized system across the country.

But, as I grew up, I realized i lived in America and craziness like that can never and will never happen because it makes too much sense and there are people who profit off the system as it is.

We're just f*cked in so many ways.

Bastion of freedom and hope? My ass.
 
2022-10-07 9:11:46 AM  

BizarreMan: But less prone to "mistakes" than machine counted ballots.


'Mistakes' being accidentally counted votes the the democratic candidate.
 
2022-10-07 9:12:12 AM  
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2022-10-07 9:12:26 AM  
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2022-10-07 9:17:03 AM  

BizarreMan: But less prone to "mistakes" than machine counted ballots.


Well, yeah - as long as you put the word mistakes in quotes.
 
2022-10-07 9:17:12 AM  
By their logic, if we start mixing vaccines by hand, they'll trust them more than the ones mixed by machine?
 
2022-10-07 9:18:40 AM  
I wouldn't trust a republican to count the number of shiat piles at a dog park much less anything important like the results of a close election. The GOP can not operate in good faith and has made it clear they have no use for the democratic process except in using it to manipulate it to enforce their will on the majority of the population.
 
2022-10-07 9:19:31 AM  
If you're worried about this like me, then you can get involved! Volunteer, be a poll worker, just put in effort and help keep the lights on for democracy in the nation.

If I'm doing it in Florida to cancel America becoming Florida, you can do it!

Democracy only works when we participate.
 
2022-10-07 9:23:13 AM  
Its like there is actually a reason professionalizing elections.
 
2022-10-07 9:24:03 AM  

NewportBarGuy: WhackingDay: You mean injecting a large number of humans into a situation makes everything worse? You don't say.

When I was a kid, in my teens, I remember seeing people in lines, almost always in Georgia, almost always black neighborhoods... same as today... waiting to vote because out of the three machines they gave them, 2 were broken, or they ran out of ballots, or some shiat.

I thought to myself... Why don't we just take out like $20b (at the time a lot more than today) and create a national voting system. Same machines, all provided by the government, all with service contracts paid for by the government. They provide the systems, pay for the systems, and the state would, obviously, control the elections with a standardized system across the country.

But, as I grew up, I realized i lived in America and craziness like that can never and will never happen because it makes too much sense and there are people who profit off the system as it is.

We're just f*cked in so many ways.

Bastion of freedom and hope? My ass.


Imagine, for a moment, your system of federally managed national election equipment existing during the Trump administration, and him announcing there will be updates prior to the midterm elections.
 
2022-10-07 9:25:15 AM  
This will be fine, as long as there aren't more than potato votes.
 
2022-10-07 9:25:17 AM  
Polling also shows that Republicans nationwide have in recent years grown more skeptical of machines helping to tabulate their votes.

Ironic since it was Republicans who forced everyone to go all in on those same machines in the 00s.
 
2022-10-07 9:25:59 AM  

BitwiseShift: Human counting is a Republican entitlement.  This relocation of GOP capitol hill staff wouldn't have happened outside a computer room.  It also takes a human gaggle of reporters.  Robots wouldn't be so naive, or purposely mislead, that they were local Broward county voters.


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2022-10-07 9:27:16 AM  

Dallymo: grokca: Most trump supporters can't count higher than 21, some can only count to 20.

10, tops, for all of them; they haven't seen the other 10 (and definitely not the other 1) in years.


Good point.
 
2022-10-07 9:27:20 AM  

CastIronStove: NewportBarGuy: WhackingDay: You mean injecting a large number of humans into a situation makes everything worse? You don't say.

When I was a kid, in my teens, I remember seeing people in lines, almost always in Georgia, almost always black neighborhoods... same as today... waiting to vote because out of the three machines they gave them, 2 were broken, or they ran out of ballots, or some shiat.

I thought to myself... Why don't we just take out like $20b (at the time a lot more than today) and create a national voting system. Same machines, all provided by the government, all with service contracts paid for by the government. They provide the systems, pay for the systems, and the state would, obviously, control the elections with a standardized system across the country.

But, as I grew up, I realized i lived in America and craziness like that can never and will never happen because it makes too much sense and there are people who profit off the system as it is.

We're just f*cked in so many ways.

Bastion of freedom and hope? My ass.

Imagine, for a moment, your system of federally managed national election equipment existing during the Trump administration, and him announcing there will be updates prior to the midterm elections.


It's just the machines and the contract to service the machines... Just to have a solid base of voting where we're all using the same system, they work, they have service contracts to fix them before elections.

Elections would still be conducted and controlled by the individual states.

But, yeah. It's not perfect. But i'm pretty sure what we're doing now isn't either.

It's a simplistic thing to a complex problem, so it's not a real solution. The only real solution would be that states actually fund and conduct free and fair elections and give the resources needed to do that so that each vote is sought equally, not more emphasis placed on the rich, white districts over the poorer ones.
 
2022-10-07 9:30:52 AM  
You mean to tell me that Bubba Joe; with his 8th grade education and "Fark Your Feelings" regalia, who has operated the same brake press for forty years down at the old factory, is LESS accurate than a modern machine specifically designed to count votes?
 
2022-10-07 9:33:57 AM  

NewportBarGuy: CastIronStove: NewportBarGuy: WhackingDay: You mean injecting a large number of humans into a situation makes everything worse? You don't say.

When I was a kid, in my teens, I remember seeing people in lines, almost always in Georgia, almost always black neighborhoods... same as today... waiting to vote because out of the three machines they gave them, 2 were broken, or they ran out of ballots, or some shiat.

I thought to myself... Why don't we just take out like $20b (at the time a lot more than today) and create a national voting system. Same machines, all provided by the government, all with service contracts paid for by the government. They provide the systems, pay for the systems, and the state would, obviously, control the elections with a standardized system across the country.

But, as I grew up, I realized i lived in America and craziness like that can never and will never happen because it makes too much sense and there are people who profit off the system as it is.

We're just f*cked in so many ways.

Bastion of freedom and hope? My ass.

Imagine, for a moment, your system of federally managed national election equipment existing during the Trump administration, and him announcing there will be updates prior to the midterm elections.

It's just the machines and the contract to service the machines... Just to have a solid base of voting where we're all using the same system, they work, they have service contracts to fix them before elections.

Elections would still be conducted and controlled by the individual states.

But, yeah. It's not perfect. But i'm pretty sure what we're doing now isn't either.

It's a simplistic thing to a complex problem, so it's not a real solution. The only real solution would be that states actually fund and conduct free and fair elections and give the resources needed to do that so that each vote is sought equally, not more emphasis placed on the rich, white districts over the poorer ones.


Machines and a service contract...managed by Trump.
 
2022-10-07 9:40:18 AM  
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2022-10-07 9:41:11 AM  
I'm fine with a voter verified paper trail with a hand-count of a randomly selected group of precincts (that are randomly selected after the close of the polls). I'm not a big fan of DRE (direct recording) voting machines that don't have an auditable paper trail.
 
2022-10-07 9:42:01 AM  
It is going exactly as well as *I* expected.
 
2022-10-07 9:43:54 AM  

qorkfiend: NewportBarGuy: CastIronStove: NewportBarGuy: WhackingDay: You mean injecting a large number of humans into a situation makes everything worse? You don't say.

When I was a kid, in my teens, I remember seeing people in lines, almost always in Georgia, almost always black neighborhoods... same as today... waiting to vote because out of the three machines they gave them, 2 were broken, or they ran out of ballots, or some shiat.

I thought to myself... Why don't we just take out like $20b (at the time a lot more than today) and create a national voting system. Same machines, all provided by the government, all with service contracts paid for by the government. They provide the systems, pay for the systems, and the state would, obviously, control the elections with a standardized system across the country.

But, as I grew up, I realized i lived in America and craziness like that can never and will never happen because it makes too much sense and there are people who profit off the system as it is.

We're just f*cked in so many ways.

Bastion of freedom and hope? My ass.

Imagine, for a moment, your system of federally managed national election equipment existing during the Trump administration, and him announcing there will be updates prior to the midterm elections.

It's just the machines and the contract to service the machines... Just to have a solid base of voting where we're all using the same system, they work, they have service contracts to fix them before elections.

Elections would still be conducted and controlled by the individual states.

But, yeah. It's not perfect. But i'm pretty sure what we're doing now isn't either.

It's a simplistic thing to a complex problem, so it's not a real solution. The only real solution would be that states actually fund and conduct free and fair elections and give the resources needed to do that so that each vote is sought equally, not more emphasis placed on the rich, white districts over the poorer ones.

Machines and a serv ...


So, we just give up.

Got it.
 
2022-10-07 9:45:37 AM  

MinatoArisato013: Ironic since it was Republicans who forced everyone to go all in on those same machines in the 00s.


The "Help America Vote Act" of 2002 passed the Senate 92-2, only Sen. Schumer and Sen. Clinton voted against it (NY had some objections to some of the language in the bill, that would cause major changes and expenses in New York). The House version of the bill passed 362-63
 
2022-10-07 9:49:20 AM  

NewportBarGuy: qorkfiend: NewportBarGuy: CastIronStove: NewportBarGuy: WhackingDay: You mean injecting a large number of humans into a situation makes everything worse? You don't say.

When I was a kid, in my teens, I remember seeing people in lines, almost always in Georgia, almost always black neighborhoods... same as today... waiting to vote because out of the three machines they gave them, 2 were broken, or they ran out of ballots, or some shiat.

I thought to myself... Why don't we just take out like $20b (at the time a lot more than today) and create a national voting system. Same machines, all provided by the government, all with service contracts paid for by the government. They provide the systems, pay for the systems, and the state would, obviously, control the elections with a standardized system across the country.

But, as I grew up, I realized i lived in America and craziness like that can never and will never happen because it makes too much sense and there are people who profit off the system as it is.

We're just f*cked in so many ways.

Bastion of freedom and hope? My ass.

Imagine, for a moment, your system of federally managed national election equipment existing during the Trump administration, and him announcing there will be updates prior to the midterm elections.

It's just the machines and the contract to service the machines... Just to have a solid base of voting where we're all using the same system, they work, they have service contracts to fix them before elections.

Elections would still be conducted and controlled by the individual states.

But, yeah. It's not perfect. But i'm pretty sure what we're doing now isn't either.

It's a simplistic thing to a complex problem, so it's not a real solution. The only real solution would be that states actually fund and conduct free and fair elections and give the resources needed to do that so that each vote is sought equally, not more emphasis placed on the rich, white districts over the poorer ones.

Machines and a serv ...

So, we just give up.

Got it.


Orrrrrrr, we remember why we avoid putting certain things under the control of the federal government and try not to deliberately introduce new opportunities for corruption.

"The service contract for national voting machine maintenance was awarded to a two-person corporation in Whitefish, Montana..."
 
2022-10-07 9:56:43 AM  
That's their "plan"; make elections the way the KKK used to run them.
 
2022-10-07 10:07:28 AM  
They sow distrust in all things science, math and logic because they suck at these things, leading to why they can't fathom how they would ever lose an election.

And here's a picture of the problem.  Maybe let Georgia Tech people do the counting because they are actually good at it.

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/GT grad
 
2022-10-07 10:08:20 AM  
"So that's one vote for Trump, two votes for Trump, this one says Biden but I'm sure they meant Trump, can't read this one, this one's spoiled, oops I missed one, another vote for Trump..."
 
2022-10-07 10:16:38 AM  

Misch: MinatoArisato013: Ironic since it was Republicans who forced everyone to go all in on those same machines in the 00s.

The "Help America Vote Act" of 2002 passed the Senate 92-2, only Sen. Schumer and Sen. Clinton voted against it (NY had some objections to some of the language in the bill, that would cause major changes and expenses in New York). The House version of the bill passed 362-63


Bipartisanship is great but Republicans claimed the Diebold machines were flawless and didn't need any kind of oversight from the fed level. And surprise surprise Diebold was founded in January of 2002.
 
2022-10-07 10:20:33 AM  
How a Trump supporter hand-counts votes:

"Trump"

"Trump"

"Fake"

"Trump"

"Fake"

"Fake"

"Fake"

"Fake"
 
2022-10-07 10:39:42 AM  
The "problem" with voting machines is that they rely on trust. You trust that they're accurate, that the people who made them didn't tamper with them, that they haven't been hacked, that they work correctly, etc. Whereas counting votes by hand is "look at paper. See vote." It's the same sort of reasoning people used to try and stop automation. You can't "trust" a robot to build a car! What if it's programmed wrong?

Now, they do have something of a point in that you can't "see" the ones and zeros being tallied. And that modern technology sometimes seems inscrutable with things not working for what appears to be no reason. Buggy phones, shoddy internet, and whatnot. But I think they miss the fact that computers ARE faster and more accurate than humans could ever be. As long as a computer is programmed correctly and not subject to being altered it'll do its job. It's not subject to bribes, or fatigue, or personal preferences.

Even if we DIDN'T use computers these people would demand recounts if they lost claiming fraud.
 
2022-10-07 11:56:27 AM  

grokca: Most trump supporters can't count higher than 21, some can only count to 20.


They keep dropping the ballots once they run out fingers on the their spare hand.
 
2022-10-07 11:58:15 AM  

Stargazer86: The "problem" with voting machines is that they rely on trust. You trust that they're accurate, that the people who made them didn't tamper with them, that they haven't been hacked, that they work correctly, etc. Whereas counting votes by hand is "look at paper. See vote." It's the same sort of reasoning people used to try and stop automation. You can't "trust" a robot to build a car! What if it's programmed wrong?

Now, they do have something of a point in that you can't "see" the ones and zeros being tallied. And that modern technology sometimes seems inscrutable with things not working for what appears to be no reason. Buggy phones, shoddy internet, and whatnot. But I think they miss the fact that computers ARE faster and more accurate than humans could ever be. As long as a computer is programmed correctly and not subject to being altered it'll do its job. It's not subject to bribes, or fatigue, or personal preferences.

Even if we DIDN'T use computers these people would demand recounts if they lost claiming fraud.


It's almost like we need to ensure the machines give a printed receipt you can check and then also must turn in, so there's methods to verify the counts. Push the buttons on the screen, get your printout, look to see it matches what you entered, deposit that in a night-safe style thing right next to the table, then leave the vote booth.  And it's always protocol to count the receipts, just to be sure.
 
2022-10-07 12:01:46 PM  
I believe you subs, and I already had VERY low expectations for that.
 
2022-10-07 12:15:42 PM  

wellreadneck: [Fark user image image 680x383]


Per Wikipedia so it must be correct.

2021 Canadian Population 8,246,108. Ballots cast 17,034,328

Contrast that with US Population and votes cast.
 
2022-10-07 12:18:51 PM  
Go ahead. But I want a receipt.
 
2022-10-07 12:25:05 PM  
Maybe we should use of these to count votes:
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