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3926 clicks; posted to Politics » on 07 Oct 2022 at 6:04 PM (7 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-10-07 8:33:50 AM  
Running is an option, fellas.
 
2022-10-07 6:08:08 PM  
Mercenaries are in it for the money...and they can't spend money if they're dead. That's always been the problem with mercenary armies.
If given a choice between death or surrender, odds are they'll surrender if they're sure they won't be killed. Or they'll run, which is more likely.
 
2022-10-07 6:08:43 PM  
if the Russian army are orca, r these guys are Uruk-Hai then?
 
2022-10-07 6:10:06 PM  
And what options are the Republicans considering?
 
2022-10-07 6:11:47 PM  
Battlefield experience is one of two factors ex-Wagner commander Gabidullin - who left the group in 2019 and has since published a memoir of his time working for them - says separates mercenaries from regular Russian troops, the other being money.
"The backbone of these groups was always made up of very experienced people who had passed through several wars anyway," he told CNN.


Turns out that "battlefield experience" of fighting poorly armed civilians trying to protect their homes isn't the same as "battlefield experience" of fighting well armed/trained/motivated Soldiers trying to protect their homes.
 
2022-10-07 6:12:36 PM  
"I say, therefore, that the arms with which a prince defends his state are either his own, or they are mercenaries, auxiliaries, or mixed.

Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe; for they are disunited, ambitious, and without discipline, unfaithful, valiant before friends, cowardly before enemies; they have neither the fear of God nor fidelity to men, and destruction is deferred only so long as the attack is; for in peace one is robbed by them, and in war by the enemy.

The fact is, they have no other attraction or reason for keeping the field than a trifle of stipend, which is not sufficient to make them willing to die for you. They are ready enough to be your soldiers whilst you do not make war, but if war comes they take themselves off or run from the foe; which I should have little trouble to prove, for the ruin of Italy has been caused by nothing else than by resting all her hopes for many years on mercenaries, and although they formerly made some display and appeared valiant amongst themselves, yet when the foreigners came they showed what they were."


Machiavelli
 
2022-10-07 6:12:46 PM  
Have they considered the "Putin's severed head on a literal silver platter" option yet?
 
2022-10-07 6:13:38 PM  

Weaver95: Mercenaries are in it for the money...and they can't spend money if they're dead. That's always been the problem with mercenary armies.
If given a choice between death or surrender, odds are they'll surrender if they're sure they won't be killed. Or they'll run, which is more likely.


They can't spend the money if their assets are frozen or confiscated. All members of the Wagner group, from the leaders to the office janitor, should be listed as members of a terrorist organization.

The bosses have the connections to hide assets. But their infantry guys are gonna be upset when their nest eggs are seized.
 
2022-10-07 6:16:48 PM  
Putin's army of privates wasn't doing so well but at least they have numbers and can be replenished by adding more cannon-fodder. The much smaller numbers of Wagner's experienced members aren't as easy to replace. Now where did I put my tiny violin?
 
2022-10-07 6:17:16 PM  
The Kremlin did not respond to CNN's requests for comment.

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2022-10-07 6:24:30 PM  
The bravest and smartest soldiers the Russians could have gotten were breaking bones to avoid being killed in the Ukraine.
 
2022-10-07 6:24:56 PM  
How about the Bud Dwyer option?
 
2022-10-07 6:25:55 PM  
Since they are mercenaries I would suggest paying them to switch sides but they suck.
 
2022-10-07 6:28:28 PM  
Don't forget that the brownshirts only had garden spades to march with when they were getting started.
 
2022-10-07 6:28:29 PM  

winedrinkingman: Since they are mercenaries I would suggest paying them to switch sides but they suck.


Why, so they can infect your army with their lack of discipline and dedication?

They're worth exactly this: one bullet in the shoulder/leg.

They're going to run anyways, but best to also tie up another enemy soldier with the task of helping his screaming ass off the field.
 
2022-10-07 6:28:33 PM  

winedrinkingman: Since they are mercenaries I would suggest paying them to switch sides but they suck.


Outbid Putin, arrange a meeting at a staging area, and shell the hell out of it when they show up.
 
2022-10-07 6:30:08 PM  
I hope they've considered dying in a fire.
 
2022-10-07 6:32:26 PM  

culebra: How about the Bud Dwyer option?


Hey, man.
 
2022-10-07 6:34:06 PM  
There's a bunch of folks in Uvalde looking for work.
 
2022-10-07 6:35:25 PM  

winedrinkingman: Since they are mercenaries I would suggest paying them to switch sides but they suck.


If you're going to pay them to do anything, it would be to leave and be deployed somewhere else.  Somewhere terrible where they can't be brought back to the warzone soon.

Maxim 49 does have its limits.

/Every client is one missed payment away from becoming a target and every target is one bribe away from becoming a client
 
2022-10-07 6:39:31 PM  
That's Putin's private neo-Nazi army to you , submitter.
 
2022-10-07 6:41:26 PM  
Just that photo of the one guy at a camp, surrounded by rubbish that they haven't dealt with, makes me want to see them in The Hague...
 
2022-10-07 6:42:38 PM  
At some point you'll realize that he's just a man, and men can bleed same as anyone else.

Take away the clothes and we're all monkeys underneath, no better or worse than any other monkey, everything else is make believe.

Eventually, someone will realize it.
 
2022-10-07 6:48:32 PM  

winedrinkingman: Since they are mercenaries I would suggest paying them to switch sides but they suck.


Mercs aren't that loyal if the money runs out or things go south. Taking them out would be a better option.
 
2022-10-07 6:48:53 PM  
I'm wondering...

At this point, why don't we just put up a $20B fun to just straight up buy the RU armed forces off the field?

Like, just straight up say "$100k for every dude that comes over to our side" and watch as Russia is humiliated by its army flipping, and of course, immediately reinvesting their new wealth in the West (or Vodka), as is Russian tradition.

Cheaper and less bloody than fighting, and infinitely more humiliating for Russia.
 
2022-10-07 6:52:29 PM  
Fake news

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2022-10-07 6:56:41 PM  
5k troops for $5k a month each?

See if they want to work for Ukraine.
 
2022-10-07 7:01:53 PM  
The important thing to remember is it's solely her fault and not the fault of the Tory party and their voters so continue to vote for them.
 
2022-10-07 7:13:39 PM  

winedrinkingman: Since they are mercenaries I would suggest paying them to switch sides but they suck.


You can pay them for indiscrimate killing inside of Russia.

"Go bomb a supply truck parking lot. I don't care which one. You're bright lads."
 
2022-10-07 7:27:46 PM  
Isn't the Wagner group the one who tried to attack a US Army Ranger outpost in Syria and got a mud hole stomped in their ass? As in 100 dead chuds, vs, 1 injured US soldier?
 
2022-10-07 7:51:14 PM  

shinji3i: The important thing to remember is it's solely her fault and not the fault of the Tory party and their voters so continue to vote for them.


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2022-10-07 7:57:56 PM  

Weaver95: Mercenaries are in it for the money...and they can't spend money if they're dead. That's always been the problem with mercenary armies.
If given a choice between death or surrender, odds are they'll surrender if they're sure they won't be killed. Or they'll run, which is more likely.


The Wagner group? No Ukrainian will let them surrender.
 
2022-10-07 8:01:54 PM  

MurphyMurphy: "I say, therefore, that the arms with which a prince defends his state are either his own, or they are mercenaries, auxiliaries, or mixed.

Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe; for they are disunited, ambitious, and without discipline, unfaithful, valiant before friends, cowardly before enemies; they have neither the fear of God nor fidelity to men, and destruction is deferred only so long as the attack is; for in peace one is robbed by them, and in war by the enemy.

The fact is, they have no other attraction or reason for keeping the field than a trifle of stipend, which is not sufficient to make them willing to die for you. They are ready enough to be your soldiers whilst you do not make war, but if war comes they take themselves off or run from the foe; which I should have little trouble to prove, for the ruin of Italy has been caused by nothing else than by resting all her hopes for many years on mercenaries, and although they formerly made some display and appeared valiant amongst themselves, yet when the foreigners came they showed what they were."

Machiavelli


https://www.coffeeordie.com/wagner-group-syria-khasham

This one warmed my heart.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-leaked-audio-humiliating-defeat-by-us-forces-2018-2
 
2022-10-07 8:08:50 PM  
Patty Hurst heard the burst of Roland's Thompson gun and bought it!
 
2022-10-07 8:16:14 PM  
$5,000 a month for that kinda work is a pretty piss poor paycheck.
 
2022-10-07 8:31:57 PM  

Mail Order American Husband: $5,000 a month for that kinda work is a pretty piss poor paycheck.


To put it in reference for Russia, that's 10-20x what most of these dudes would make in the rural shiatsticks of Russia, and about 125x what a Conscript gets paid per month during their year of service.
 
2022-10-07 8:41:33 PM  

shinji3i: The important thing to remember is it's solely her fault and not the fault of the Tory party and their voters so continue to vote for them.


Grandpa?
 
2022-10-07 9:04:12 PM  

HerptheDerp: At some point you'll realize that he's just a man, and men can bleed same as anyone else.

Take away the clothes and we're all monkeys underneath, no better or worse than any other monkey, everything else is make believe.

Eventually, someone will realize it.


He's a dragon man
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2022-10-07 9:14:51 PM  
Trump Army
 
2022-10-07 9:23:22 PM  
This is the first time russia has fought an official, organized military since 1945. They don't how to do anything but murder civilians and destroy cities.
 
2022-10-07 9:33:03 PM  

Great_Milenko: if the Russian army are orca, r these guys are Uruk-Hai then?


They're certainly not "Free Willy"
 
2022-10-07 9:33:28 PM  

shinji3i: The important thing to remember is it's solely her fault and not the fault of the Tory party and their voters so continue to vote for them.


And are you are wearing an onion on your belt?
 
2022-10-07 9:44:17 PM  
The waggie bois also are afraid of what is going to happen to them when they try to run and redeploy somewhere else. They've pissed off a lot of Ukrainians and a lot of other groups in the world. Since everyone now has seen how pathetic Russia's standing forces are I would fully expect that they will find significantly more opposition in their next engagements. They also know that now that they've been shown to be a joke of a merc company that anyone who will pay for them will want lowest possible prices - with them paying for all transport because they're just cannon fodder.
 
2022-10-07 10:11:04 PM  
Keep considering, comrades. Vovka doesn't give a shiat about the well-being of you, your families, your children, or anyone else you care about. Seek asylum and protect the ones you truly love.
 
TWX
2022-10-07 10:33:26 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: This is the first time russia has fought an official, organized military since 1945. They don't how to do anything but murder civilians and destroy cities.


the Soviet Union did fight some border skirmishes with China in the intervening years, and they also had roles in various hot wars that occasionally flared during the otherwise-Cold War.

Putin did not learn the lessons of Afghanistan.  The Soviet Union went in to a nation that on-paper shouldn't have been able to offer any meaningful resistance and got their clocks cleaned, and that's even ignoring that they should have seen what happened to the British in the same place before.

The only reason I can see Putin's push into Ukraine now is because Ukraine was on the cusp of integrating in with most of the rest of Europe, and Putin's losses for his entrenched foreign assets in other governments meant that if he didn't act now, he would never have another chance.  But even this chance now was clearly a longshot to us, undoubtedly made worse by his own echo-chamber telling him how easy it would be.
 
2022-10-07 10:33:53 PM  

shinji3i: Battlefield experience is one of two factors ex-Wagner commander Gabidullin - who left the group in 2019 and has since published a memoir of his time working for them - says separates mercenaries from regular Russian troops, the other being money.
"The backbone of these groups was always made up of very experienced people who had passed through several wars anyway," he told CNN.

Turns out that "battlefield experience" of fighting poorly armed civilians trying to protect their homes isn't the same as "battlefield experience" of fighting well armed/trained/motivated Soldiers trying to protect their homes.


Also there isn't an unlimited number of folks with battle experience willing to work as mercenaries. Yet Russia wanted to scale them up. So they hired a bunch of kids and rookies, and massively degraded their operational effectiveness. Kind of like how the SEALS expanded by leaps and bounds after 911 and ended up accepting all kinds of unstable shiatbags who could meet some bare minimum standards but were disasters in the field.
 
2022-10-07 10:34:56 PM  

King Something: Have they considered the "Putin's severed head on a literal silver platter" option yet?


The world would be a better place if he was just gone.
 
2022-10-07 11:08:52 PM  

ansius: King Something: Have they considered the "Putin's severed head on a literal silver platter" option yet?

The world would be a better place if he was just gone.


Just watch for when all Russian TV decides to play Swan Lake. At this point it seems like Gorby isn't around to stop it any more.
 
2022-10-07 11:10:24 PM  

WordsnCollision: Putin's army of privates wasn't doing so well but at least they have numbers and can be replenished by adding more cannon-fodder. The much smaller numbers of Wagner's experienced members aren't as easy to replace. Now where did I put my tiny violin?


Half the world is supporting Ukraine either with money of equipment.

Throwing bodies until the other guys run out of bullets doesn't work when the other guys have an endless line of credit to get more.
 
2022-10-07 11:31:40 PM  

stoli n coke: Throwing bodies until the other guys run out of bullets doesn't work when the other guys have an endless line of credit to get more.


It isn't just Russia invading Ukraine and half the world supporting the victim/underdog.  If it was just a 'help the underdog' kind of thing it would have faded long since.  We'd have looked the other way like we did with the initial invasion of Crimea and maybe wrung our hands for a few days before moving on with our lives.

It's Russia having farked around with the world for half a century including helping inflict Trump on the US and the world, and we're all so damn sick of it we're demanding our politicians help... and now that Russia has been shown to be weak to the point of collapse, we smell blood and we're really enthusiastic about watching Russia die.

Russia's built up a massive karmic debt, and now it's being called in.
 
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