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(Left East)   Ukrainian activist warns about unintended consequences of new censorship law that consolidates power in one new agency. Meanwhile, Rupert Murdoch chuckles Sovietly, pulls more strings at the FCC, CRTC, BBFC   (lefteast.org) divider line
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804 clicks; posted to Politics » on 07 Oct 2022 at 12:17 AM (8 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-10-07 12:22:07 AM  
What am I even reading.
 
2022-10-07 12:22:47 AM  

mikefinch: What am I even reading.


Four mama purple pox walkers full-body pillows.
 
2022-10-07 12:28:21 AM  

mikefinch: What am I even reading.


I didn't click, but I tried to find information on "Left East" or "LeftEast".  There's an old Huffington Post article about it being a clearinghouse for left-leaning opinion pieces for authors from conservative Eastern European states.  Otherwise it is a million Google hits for "turn left (east)".
 
2022-10-07 12:32:15 AM  
Lol which dumbass admin greenlit this tankie shiat
 
2022-10-07 12:34:21 AM  
Here's an idea: we take Murdoch (and his son), give them recording devices and spy cameras, and then airdrop them deep into North Korea.
 
2022-10-07 12:35:31 AM  

mikefinch: What am I even reading.


A Russian plant trying to sow dissention by undermining faith in glorious Ukraine.

Or a long-time Ukrainian political activist and long-time opponent of Ukraine's oligarchs who is looking past the end of the war and wants to ensure tha temporary measures that favor industry over workers, mandate state censorship of journalism, and outlaw opposition political parties don't become permanent.

Pick whichever interpretation you want. Your opinion means absolutely nothing so there's no pressure to get it right ;-)
 
2022-10-07 12:43:52 AM  

Klyukva: mikefinch: What am I even reading.

A Russian plant trying to sow dissention by undermining faith in glorious Ukraine.

Or a long-time Ukrainian political activist and long-time opponent of Ukraine's oligarchs who is looking past the end of the war and wants to ensure tha temporary measures that favor industry over workers, mandate state censorship of journalism, and outlaw opposition political parties don't become permanent.

Pick whichever interpretation you want. Your opinion means absolutely nothing so there's no pressure to get it right ;-)


It's just a really weird interview.  The whole thing is just like "Well, sure, we're engaged in an existential war for national survival but what about trade unions and press freedom?"

The slight-of-hand to whataboutism makes me think Russian plant, but the guy is 52 so it might just be a product of growing up in the USSR.
 
2022-10-07 12:44:04 AM  
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2022-10-07 12:49:47 AM  

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2022-10-07 12:51:14 AM  

Klyukva: mikefinch: What am I even reading.

A Russian plant trying to sow dissention by undermining faith in glorious Ukraine.

Or a long-time Ukrainian political activist and long-time opponent of Ukraine's oligarchs who is looking past the end of the war and wants to ensure tha temporary measures that favor industry over workers, mandate state censorship of journalism, and outlaw opposition political parties don't become permanent.

Pick whichever interpretation you want. Your opinion means absolutely nothing so there's no pressure to get it right ;-)


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2022-10-07 12:51:45 AM  
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2022-10-07 12:54:20 AM  

monsatano: Klyukva: mikefinch: What am I even reading.

A Russian plant trying to sow dissention by undermining faith in glorious Ukraine.

Or a long-time Ukrainian political activist and long-time opponent of Ukraine's oligarchs who is looking past the end of the war and wants to ensure tha temporary measures that favor industry over workers, mandate state censorship of journalism, and outlaw opposition political parties don't become permanent.

Pick whichever interpretation you want. Your opinion means absolutely nothing so there's no pressure to get it right ;-)

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The Hell? Did that lady write that on an oversized shredded wheat??
 
2022-10-07 12:54:41 AM  
In war, truth is the first casualty.

The cognitive dissonance here is deafening.
 
2022-10-07 1:01:58 AM  

Kuta: In war, truth is the first casualty.

The cognitive dissonance here is deafening.


Have you looked at a map?
 
2022-10-07 1:07:29 AM  
Yeah, I was like, gosh these are all good points. ... ... ...Except when one of the world's most sophisticated PsyOps and fake news powers is dropping bombs on your cities.

Like when he complains that trade unions haven'topposed this legislation, maybe it's because they're either fighting or fleeing? I get that these laws were preposed before the war, but maybe the legislature just needed something already written, because nobody has time for new legislative debates and fine details.
 
2022-10-07 1:19:22 AM  

nicholas m schumacher: monsatano: Klyukva: mikefinch: What am I even reading.

A Russian plant trying to sow dissention by undermining faith in glorious Ukraine.

Or a long-time Ukrainian political activist and long-time opponent of Ukraine's oligarchs who is looking past the end of the war and wants to ensure tha temporary measures that favor industry over workers, mandate state censorship of journalism, and outlaw opposition political parties don't become permanent.

Pick whichever interpretation you want. Your opinion means absolutely nothing so there's no pressure to get it right ;-)

[assets3.cbsnewsstatic.com image 640x770]

The Hell? Did that lady write that on an oversized shredded wheat??


She was practicing what she preached.
 
2022-10-07 1:19:38 AM  
There might be some validity in this during peacetime. But it's pretty lame at a time when a country is being invaded by a major world power.
 
2022-10-07 1:22:42 AM  

Kuta: In war, truth is the first casualty.

The cognitive dissonance here is deafening.


Have you looked in a mirror?

How's freedom of the press in Russia?
 
2022-10-07 1:28:48 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: There might be some validity in this during peacetime. But it's pretty lame at a time when a country is being invaded by a major world power.


That's what makes this so stupid. They can't change their constitution while under martial law. Once the war ends and politics goes back to normal, I would think that a country that is now *extremely* interested in their direction would make sure it goes in the way they want it to.

Regardless of what happens, anything bad is probably NATO's fault.
 
2022-10-07 2:31:41 AM  

monsatano: Lol which dumbass admin greenlit this tankie shiat


This is the first time I have seen someone use tankie correctly on Fark, so bravo to you.
 
2022-10-07 2:37:35 AM  
So, I started noticing the creeping tankie logic early on.

When the person interviewed said that some right wing parties were being banned, but also left wing. Framing this as anti-opposition and dictatorship. He also said that the parties must be given their day in court, within days of them having had their day in court.

The political parties being banned were not all pro-Russia. Some were anti-semitic *and* pro-Russia. One example in the article of the Socialist Party of Ukraine, whose leader is being investigated for treason.

Now, this said, the Ukrainian government appeared to fark up administering the law banning pro-Russian parties, where the law specifically states that only statements after the law passed were to be used, but statements from 5 years ago were used. The courts are working through this, and it looks bad for the parties involved.

This law would violate several EU and ICC statutes, but the law specifies that it is in effect for the duration of martial law.

The article is so heavily slanted that it's usable word for word as if it came from the Kremlin.
 
2022-10-07 3:06:32 AM  
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2022-10-07 3:08:29 AM  
My abandonthread.jpg has a sad. This one felt like a shoo-in
 
2022-10-07 3:29:01 AM  
This is altogether not unusual behavior for a government during wartime, particularly while it's under physical attack and occupied.  The country is under a state of martial law until at least November 21st, which will likely be extended continuously until hostilities cease.  The question is what happens after the war is finished and peacetime returns(presuming Ukraine and the world get out of this without further calamity).  Do these wartime controls on journalism persist?  Do political parties return to a "normal" adversarial state?  These are probably likely, but we have to get there first to find out.
 
2022-10-07 4:17:20 AM  

Discordulator: So, I started noticing the creeping tankie logic early on.

When the person interviewed said that some right wing parties were being banned, but also left wing. Framing this as anti-opposition and dictatorship. He also said that the parties must be given their day in court, within days of them having had their day in court.

The political parties being banned were not all pro-Russia. Some were anti-semitic *and* pro-Russia. One example in the article of the Socialist Party of Ukraine, whose leader is being investigated for treason.

Now, this said, the Ukrainian government appeared to fark up administering the law banning pro-Russian parties, where the law specifically states that only statements after the law passed were to be used, but statements from 5 years ago were used. The courts are working through this, and it looks bad for the parties involved.

This law would violate several EU and ICC statutes, but the law specifies that it is in effect for the duration of martial law.


Ukraine is not a member of the EU or ICC.
 
2022-10-07 4:57:15 AM  

BafflerMeal: Discordulator: So, I started noticing the creeping tankie logic early on.

When the person interviewed said that some right wing parties were being banned, but also left wing. Framing this as anti-opposition and dictatorship. He also said that the parties must be given their day in court, within days of them having had their day in court.

The political parties being banned were not all pro-Russia. Some were anti-semitic *and* pro-Russia. One example in the article of the Socialist Party of Ukraine, whose leader is being investigated for treason.

Now, this said, the Ukrainian government appeared to fark up administering the law banning pro-Russian parties, where the law specifically states that only statements after the law passed were to be used, but statements from 5 years ago were used. The courts are working through this, and it looks bad for the parties involved.

This law would violate several EU and ICC statutes, but the law specifies that it is in effect for the duration of martial law.

Ukraine is not a member of the EU or ICC.


I forgot to add that. Thanks for pointing it out.

The criticism is that the law would violate statutes under the ICC and the EU, but Ukraine is not a member.

It may complicate membership in either, but only if the laws under effect during martial law are continued outside martial law.
 
2022-10-07 5:04:39 AM  

Discordulator: BafflerMeal: Discordulator: So, I started noticing the creeping tankie logic early on.

When the person interviewed said that some right wing parties were being banned, but also left wing. Framing this as anti-opposition and dictatorship. He also said that the parties must be given their day in court, within days of them having had their day in court.

The political parties being banned were not all pro-Russia. Some were anti-semitic *and* pro-Russia. One example in the article of the Socialist Party of Ukraine, whose leader is being investigated for treason.

Now, this said, the Ukrainian government appeared to fark up administering the law banning pro-Russian parties, where the law specifically states that only statements after the law passed were to be used, but statements from 5 years ago were used. The courts are working through this, and it looks bad for the parties involved.

This law would violate several EU and ICC statutes, but the law specifies that it is in effect for the duration of martial law.

Ukraine is not a member of the EU or ICC.

I forgot to add that. Thanks for pointing it out.

The criticism is that the law would violate statutes under the ICC and the EU, but Ukraine is not a member.

It may complicate membership in either, but only if the laws under effect during martial law are continued outside martial law.


Yeah, no worries.  Still a fair amount of people who don't know some of these relationships.  Was just adding for clarity.
 
2022-10-07 5:35:45 AM  
I thought it was the UKR?

or was that just another country...
 
2022-10-07 6:01:44 AM  

here to help: I thought it was the UKR?

or was that just another country...


UKR and UA are both abbreviations for Ukraine.

"The UKR", like "the Ukraine", is considered derogatory.

Ukraine is a country. "The Ukraine" describes a region in the USSR. Until recently, this wasn't really a thing that most people thought about. For some reason, it became much more prominent this year.
 
2022-10-07 6:34:37 AM  

Discordulator: "The UKR", like "the Ukraine", is considered derogatory.


Yes... I know that.

I was riffing on a rather famous punk song.

perhaps you've never heard it before but then I'd be worried you've been trapped under a rock for over forty years

*calls search and rescue*
 
2022-10-07 6:36:46 AM  

Discordulator: it became much more prominent this year.


Oh and it has only become known this year to those who don't pay attention.

Now read up on the history of Estonia.
 
2022-10-07 7:17:12 AM  
While that is a good point, I would point out that Ukraine could not have carried out their surprise attack in the North East of their country last month, or kept such good operational security, if they did not have control over the narrative of the news media that comes out of their country. 

It's a catch 22, without democracy, there can be no free press, but without some censorship in relationship to the war effort, there can be no democracy.  I think the solution would be to establish special independent journalism courts that have the power to arbitrate between the needs of the Free Press and Military Security, and decide independently of both when things should be censored and when they should be open source, while the ongoing military conflict is going on.  Of course things like troop movements, the identity of special troops operating special equipment, and so on should automatically be shielded.
 
2022-10-07 7:27:07 AM  

here to help: Discordulator: "The UKR", like "the Ukraine", is considered derogatory.

Yes... I know that.

I was riffing on a rather famous punk song.

perhaps you've never heard it before but then I'd be worried you've been trapped under a rock for over forty years

*calls search and rescue*


... help, I'm under a rock... since not long after birth, apparently.

Also, to your other comment, it was somewhere in between sarcasm and considering that someone might actually not know.
 
2022-10-07 7:59:39 AM  

mikefinch: What am I even reading.


Growing up reading fact checked journalism from well paid professionals makes me wonder wtf I'm reading most of the time these days.
It's long past time to break up Google and Meta, return the media markets back to the best interests of the public.
The idea that both Biden and Trump won the 2020 election really should have been the last straw. Now we have agitated rural red state folks ready to form terrorist cells for the very politicians who want to destroy their way of life by repealing social security, Medicare, and restrict Medicaid.  They also want to make it illegal to follow any faith or even Christian sect outside of state approved faiths.
I can't decide if we influenced China more or them us.
 
2022-10-07 8:04:09 AM  

Discordulator: ... help, I'm under a rock... since not long after birth, apparently.


I wanna be... malarkey.

-;-)
 
2022-10-07 8:09:35 AM  

mikefinch: What am I even reading.


Tankie bullshiat
 
2022-10-07 8:12:56 AM  

OptionC: It's just a really weird interview.  The whole thing is just like "Well, sure, we're engaged in an existential war for national survival but what about trade unions and press freedom?"


That and "liberal reforms are bad". Typical anti-western screed.
 
2022-10-07 9:28:59 AM  

NM Volunteer: I didn't click, but I tried to find information on "Left East" or "LeftEast".


I like their song "Never Been Any Reason".
 
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