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(AP News)   Federal judge: Whoa New York, slow your roll...MOAR gunz everywhere plz   (apnews.com) divider line
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3623 clicks; posted to Politics » on 06 Oct 2022 at 6:50 PM (9 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-10-06 4:26:05 PM  
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2022-10-06 5:57:00 PM  
Several of the state's new licensing rules went too far, he wrote, including one that required applicants to be of "good moral character," and another that made applicants turn over information about their social media accounts.

What exactly defines having a "good moral character" in their eyes?  And what will they do with all the info they find in the social media accounts?  How long will they keep it?  Will they continually monitor the accounts?  Do they need to be alerted whenever new accounts are opened?

The restrictions on where someone can carry are one thing.  This stuff is just.... unsettling.
 
2022-10-06 6:34:28 PM  
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2022-10-06 6:54:03 PM  

RodneyToady: Several of the state's new licensing rules went too far, he wrote, including one that required applicants to be of "good moral character," and another that made applicants turn over information about their social media accounts.

What exactly defines having a "good moral character" in their eyes?  And what will they do with all the info they find in the social media accounts?  How long will they keep it?  Will they continually monitor the accounts?  Do they need to be alerted whenever new accounts are opened?

The restrictions on where someone can carry are one thing.  This stuff is just.... unsettling.


I have no problems with it. I don't want white religious whackos wandering around New York City shooting up the place like they do elsewhere in the country.
 
2022-10-06 6:54:59 PM  
'Murica.
 
2022-10-06 6:55:01 PM  

RodneyToady: Several of the state's new licensing rules went too far, he wrote, including one that required applicants to be of "good moral character," and another that made applicants turn over information about their social media accounts.

What exactly defines having a "good moral character" in their eyes?  And what will they do with all the info they find in the social media accounts?  How long will they keep it?  Will they continually monitor the accounts?  Do they need to be alerted whenever new accounts are opened?

The restrictions on where someone can carry are one thing.  This stuff is just.... unsettling.


Really need to base it on something objective like violent convictions or reported mental health conditions.  "Good moral character" smacks of local sheriff picking and choosing based off personal preference.
 
2022-10-06 6:55:06 PM  
fark the 2nd amendment
 
2022-10-06 6:55:26 PM  
Now before you people go and blame donnie for this partisan judge legislating from the bench just know you can't blame all of our countries woes on one shiatty President because he didn't appoint the judge.

This guy is a Bush appointee.
 
2022-10-06 6:56:00 PM  

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Those who broke that law were shot.
 
2022-10-06 6:58:08 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: RodneyToady: Several of the state's new licensing rules went too far, he wrote, including one that required applicants to be of "good moral character," and another that made applicants turn over information about their social media accounts.

What exactly defines having a "good moral character" in their eyes?  And what will they do with all the info they find in the social media accounts?  How long will they keep it?  Will they continually monitor the accounts?  Do they need to be alerted whenever new accounts are opened?

The restrictions on where someone can carry are one thing.  This stuff is just.... unsettling.

I have no problems with it. I don't want white religious whackos wandering around New York City shooting up the place like they do elsewhere in the country.


Who do you think the police are going to choose as having "Good moral character", hmmm?
 
2022-10-06 6:58:10 PM  

shinji3i: Now before you people go and blame donnie for this partisan judge legislating from the bench just know you can't blame all of our countries woes on one shiatty President because he didn't appoint the judge.

This guy is a Bush appointee.


A mark of quality if there ever was one.
 
2022-10-06 6:58:34 PM  

shinji3i: Now before you people go and blame donnie for this partisan judge legislating from the bench just know you can't blame all of our countries woes on one shiatty President because he didn't appoint the judge.

This guy is a Bush appointee.


Bush was an idiot and a war criminal. fark him and anyone he appointed.
 
2022-10-06 6:59:10 PM  
I mean... the judge appears to be pretty much 100% unambiguously correct on all counts, so kinda system working as intended here.

Like... you don't get to be directly told by the supreme court that you have to run your gun permits on a shall-issue basis (meaning you issue the permit unless there is a specific, explicitly legally-enforceable reason they're barred from having one) and turn around and use traditional Klan tactics to try to pull a farking jury-nullification on the law and just do may-issue instead because you feel like it.  Federal supremacy does not work that way.

Also... the whole patented KKK official copyrighted "refuse to obey the law while claiming you're obeying the law" method is not going to get anybody on your side, New York.  The Klan only faded from being the unofficial third party of half the US in like the '80s/'90s, people remember that shiat and they know what a law citing "good moral character" or arbitrarily demanding disclosure of personal information that "coincidentally" would happen to reveal your racial and economic background means.  Find the person who wrote this law and fire them from a cannon into the farking Atlantic ocean, please.  Preferably in a direction away from shipping lanes where someone might accidentally pick them up and bring them back.
 
2022-10-06 6:59:43 PM  
Is it Constitutionally permissible to forbid legally blind people from open carrying or concealed carrying?
 
2022-10-06 7:00:59 PM  
But abortion is a "state's rights" issue. Got it.
 
2022-10-06 7:01:46 PM  

vrax: shinji3i: Now before you people go and blame donnie for this partisan judge legislating from the bench just know you can't blame all of our countries woes on one shiatty President because he didn't appoint the judge.

This guy is a Bush appointee.

A mark of quality if there ever was one.


Right? I'm sure the federalist society was NOT consulted at all.  Same sh*tty pool, just 10 years earlier
 
2022-10-06 7:03:02 PM  
"Simply stated, instead of moving toward becoming a shall-issue jurisdiction, New York State has further entrenched itself as a shall-not-issue jurisdiction."

Essentially, this. New York State HAS BEEN TOLD by the Supreme Court, end of story. All the shenanigans they want to play should be mooted, repeatedly, until they understand that SHALL-ISSUE means just that.
 
2022-10-06 7:03:06 PM  
Locations where firearms were banned. Does the entire city count? Multiple towns and cities had complete gun bans within thier limits in the old west.
 
2022-10-06 7:04:03 PM  

RodneyToady: What exactly defines having a "good moral character" in their eyes?


Same as their prior standard of "showing good cause." It means those who are politically connected, and fark everyone else.
 
2022-10-06 7:04:20 PM  
Fark: The Russians going door to door forcing Ukrainians to vote to annex at gunpoint is wrong!
Also Fark: Americans don't need guns!

I'd offer the opinion that the reason we don't have door to door, forced at gunpoint voting is because the voters might be armed. I know for 100% fact all of my neighbors are armed and we wouldn't be compelled.

The major problem is NYC needs more enforcement than NY State. The State laws can't restrict everyone because the city folks are buck wild.
 
2022-10-06 7:05:36 PM  

RodneyToady: What exactly defines having a "good moral character"


It means being white.

Like... literally 100% of the time that phrase appears in any US law, without one single exception in the entirety of known history, it has unambiguously meant solely being racially white and nothing else.  The phrase does not and has never had any other purpose or designated anything else.

Well, okay, sometimes it also means being straight, but on all those occasions it specifically means "straight AND ALSO white".

Not coincidentally, the phrase appears most often in laws that permit people to, say, take steps to defend themselves from roving gangs of white supremacist terrorists-- it comes up rather a lot in firearms legislation for precisely that reason, since arming themselves has traditionally been the one and only recourse for "groups of certain suboptimal complexions" due to there being no chance of the cops helping them.
 
2022-10-06 7:07:24 PM  

SenorClumpy: Is it Constitutionally permissible to forbid legally blind people from open carrying or concealed carrying?


Sure, you implement a basic range test. In my state it's 30 rounds; 10 rounds at 5 yards, 7 yards, and 10 years, with a score of 70% in the scoring area of a B27 target.
 
2022-10-06 7:07:55 PM  

bumfuzzled: But abortion is a "state's rights" issue. Got it.


There's no amendment about abortion. That's the argument they'll use.
 
2022-10-06 7:08:43 PM  

PluckYew: vrax: shinji3i: Now before you people go and blame donnie for this partisan judge legislating from the bench just know you can't blame all of our countries woes on one shiatty President because he didn't appoint the judge.

This guy is a Bush appointee.

A mark of quality if there ever was one.

Right? I'm sure the federalist society was NOT consulted at all.  Same sh*tty pool, just 10 years earlier


I feel like everyone's missing shinji3i's joke.
 
2022-10-06 7:09:14 PM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: Fark: The Russians going door to door forcing Ukrainians to vote to annex at gunpoint is wrong!
Also Fark: Americans don't need guns!

I'd offer the opinion that the reason we don't have door to door, forced at gunpoint voting is because the voters might be armed. I know for 100% fact all of my neighbors are armed and we wouldn't be compelled.

The major problem is NYC needs more enforcement than NY State. The State laws can't restrict everyone because the city folks are buck wild.


I'm going to go nope to that. Call me when Russia invades the United States and tries to go door to door with guns. I mean here in the United States we have people shooting at unarmed census takers.  We have people shooting people over food service. I'd honestly like the crazy mail man to stop shooting his Ak-47 into the air on Fourth of July one of these days he's going to fall off that roof.
 
2022-10-06 7:10:44 PM  
fark the 2nd amendment and anyone who supports it at this point.
 
2022-10-06 7:11:31 PM  

mrmopar5287: "Simply stated, instead of moving toward becoming a shall-issue jurisdiction, New York State has further entrenched itself as a shall-not-issue jurisdiction."

Essentially, this. New York State HAS BEEN TOLD by the Supreme Court, end of story. All the shenanigans they want to play should be mooted, repeatedly, until they understand that SHALL-ISSUE means just that.


I'm really tired of being asked to pretend the SCOTUS isn't just an arm of the GOP and represents the people as a judicial institution
 
2022-10-06 7:11:55 PM  

Jim_Callahan: traditional Klan tactics


The stupid.. it burns!
 
2022-10-06 7:12:36 PM  
my Gun needs a Gun to keep it safe from velma
 
2022-10-06 7:12:45 PM  
If the judge's justification for the ruling is valid, then roll with it.  Otherwise, New York should just ignore him.
 
2022-10-06 7:13:17 PM  
The Constitution says you can carry firearms on the subway?
 
2022-10-06 7:13:36 PM  

mrmopar5287: "Simply stated, instead of moving toward becoming a shall-issue jurisdiction, New York State has further entrenched itself as a shall-not-issue jurisdiction."

Essentially, this. New York State HAS BEEN TOLD by the Supreme Court, end of story. All the shenanigans they want to play should be mooted, repeatedly, until they understand that SHALL-ISSUE means just that.


Since when is what the Supreme Court says the end of the story? Roe v Wade sure wasn't the end of the story, was it?
 
2022-10-06 7:15:48 PM  

Skyfrog: The Constitution says you can carry firearms on the subway?


Originalism only pertains to right-wing causes. Duh.
 
2022-10-06 7:15:57 PM  
but only in instances where there were "historical analogues" for such rules, meaning guns have been banned from such places in the past.

Dumbest reasoning ever. You can't ban guns from orbital space stations because there were no gun bans on orbital space stations in the 19th century.
 
2022-10-06 7:16:38 PM  

LL316: mrmopar5287: "Simply stated, instead of moving toward becoming a shall-issue jurisdiction, New York State has further entrenched itself as a shall-not-issue jurisdiction."

Essentially, this. New York State HAS BEEN TOLD by the Supreme Court, end of story. All the shenanigans they want to play should be mooted, repeatedly, until they understand that SHALL-ISSUE means just that.

Since when is what the Supreme Court says the end of the story? Roe v Wade sure wasn't the end of the story, was it?


Yeah remember how after Roe v Wade all those Natc states just gave up on finding every possible way to undermine it?

But no the liberals are expected to roll over and die because the SCOTUS said so
 
2022-10-06 7:16:41 PM  
Chuckles Texanly.
 
2022-10-06 7:18:36 PM  

bumfuzzled: But abortion is a "state's rights" issue. Got it.


Which amendment specifically protects abortion? Unlawful searches and seizures is a massive stretch. There should be a constitutional Amendment specifically protecting abortion.
 
2022-10-06 7:19:15 PM  

SenorClumpy: Is it Constitutionally permissible to forbid legally blind people from open carrying or concealed carrying?


Nope. Even though the Spartan Ubermen would throw them over a cliff, our government recognizes them as people and if the other requirements are met their rights shall not be infringed.

/ Blind people can shoot at things they hear fairly well.
// Training can be a bit tedious, but that's true for everyone.
 
2022-10-06 7:20:06 PM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: Fark: The Russians going door to door forcing Ukrainians to vote to annex at gunpoint is wrong!
Also Fark: Americans don't need guns!

I'd offer the opinion that the reason we don't have door to door, forced at gunpoint voting is because the voters might be armed. I know for 100% fact all of my neighbors are armed and we wouldn't be compelled.

The major problem is NYC needs more enforcement than NY State. The State laws can't restrict everyone because the city folks are buck wild.


Of all the delusions of gun fetishists, the idea that your pea shooters are going to stop the US military if it decides to "come for you" are the most delusional of all.

If the US military comes after you with trained soldiers, grenades, APCs with 50 caliber guns, M1A1s, artillery and jet bombers, your little pea shooters are going to mean precisely diddly.

Now a days, they wouldn't waste their time with any of that and would instead just have a drone fire a missile right through the window of every building in your compound from over the horizon.

Your phone camera is an infinitely more powerful weapon against that because the images of it happening, and the aftermath, would turn people against them. That's the only reason they didn't put down the Bundy shiatholes like rabid dogs after they started pointing rifles at federal officials.
 
2022-10-06 7:21:48 PM  
The state can't ban people from carrying guns in New York City's subway system or Times Square, the judge ruled, though he said it did have a right to exclude guns from certain other locations, including schools.

No logical consistency.  The logical result of the new right-wing fringe interpretation of the 2nd as an individual right would mean guns couldn't be banned anywhere, schools, airplanes, nurseries or presidential rallies. 

It's either an absolute right or it's a pile of intellectual bullshiat like so much of what is considered "thinking" by conservatives.
 
2022-10-06 7:25:52 PM  
This will result in unnecessary death and maiming.

Some of the dead people will be kids.

But on the other hand, Cle-thro might get sad if you remind him he has a small dingaling or maybe some weird confusing thoughts about that time he accidentally saw cousin Jimbob in the shower, and the pew pew stick - the hard, black, throbbing pew pew stick - is of course the only thing that drives the those reminders away.

And if Cle-thro gets sad about his microdong or his rogue sin-boner, Cle-thro might not vote.

Sorry, kids!
 
2022-10-06 7:26:58 PM  

Skyfrog: The Constitution says you can carry firearms on the subway?


Yeah, in the "shall not be infringed" part.
 
2022-10-06 7:27:17 PM  

Decorus: Locations where firearms were banned. Does the entire city count? Multiple towns and cities had complete gun bans within thier limits in the old west.


Shhhh.  That was before Heller and guns magically became an individual right, supreme to all other rights granted by the constitution.
 
2022-10-06 7:28:14 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: bumfuzzled: But abortion is a "state's rights" issue. Got it.

Which amendment specifically protects abortion? Unlawful searches and seizures is a massive stretch. There should be a constitutional Amendment specifically protecting abortion.


Which amendment specifically protects a right to self-defense? Right to bare arms is a massive stretch. There should be a constitutional Amendment specifically protecting self-defense.
 
2022-10-06 7:29:25 PM  

Blathering Idjut: magically became an individual right


It always was an individual right the same as all of the amendments in the Bill of Rights. The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right.
 
2022-10-06 7:30:07 PM  

mrmopar5287: Skyfrog: The Constitution says you can carry firearms on the subway?

Yeah, in the "shall not be infringed" part.


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2022-10-06 7:30:43 PM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: Which amendment specifically protects a right to self-defense?


Certain rights are inalienable and God-given, and do not need a government charter granting/approving them. Self-defense is one of those rights.
 
2022-10-06 7:31:45 PM  

mrmopar5287: Blathering Idjut: magically became an individual right

It always was an individual right the same as all of the amendments in the Bill of Rights. The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right.


No they did not and no it has not. For most of the history of this country until Heller it was a collective right.  But keep on revising that history, bro.
 
2022-10-06 7:37:30 PM  

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And that started a war, ironically
 
2022-10-06 7:39:42 PM  

mrmopar5287: Blathering Idjut: magically became an individual right

It always was an individual right the same as all of the amendments in the Bill of Rights. The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right.


You're repeating this lie again?
 
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