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(Tucson.com)   Professor fatally shot by Dervish. No word on whether whirling, dancing or howling   (tucson.com) divider line
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2203 clicks; posted to Main » on 06 Oct 2022 at 6:30 AM (9 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-10-06 6:38:07 AM  
Oh, Yu...

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2022-10-06 6:39:04 AM  
Simply the fact that Dervish wasn't allowed on campus makes me think that there's gonna be a bit more to the story than that he just 'flunked' out. I mean, if that were the case, subby prolly woulda gone with the Fail tag.
 
2022-10-06 6:51:42 AM  
I guess he didn't have the outside edge.
 
2022-10-06 6:59:06 AM  
"Department of Hydrology"

That's a real thing?
 
2022-10-06 7:01:10 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: "Department of Hydrology"

That's a real thing?


Kind of important thing in a university in a desert.

/U of A Alum
//Bear Down!
 
2022-10-06 7:18:47 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: "Department of Hydrology"

That's a real thing?


One of those subjects you have you drill down into
 
2022-10-06 7:19:11 AM  

desertfool: Tyrone Slothrop: "Department of Hydrology"

That's a real thing?

Kind of important thing in a university in a desert.

/U of A Alum
//Bear Down!


Usernane checks out
 
2022-10-06 7:25:20 AM  
I wonder if this is anything like the story a number of years back where a ~5th year Ph.D student killed his professor with a hammer after being told he was going to be there another 4, minimum.

/Cute Chris Rock "I ain't saying it's right..."
 
2022-10-06 7:26:56 AM  

vudukungfu: Tyrone Slothrop: "Department of Hydrology"

That's a real thing?

One of those subjects you have you drill down into



Pfft, these days the classes are all watered down.

desertfool: //Bear Down!


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2022-10-06 7:47:22 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: "Department of Hydrology"

That's a real thing?


Oh course, where do you think coconut water was invented?
 
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2022-10-06 8:36:01 AM  
You're A Mean One Mr. Grinch
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2022-10-06 8:47:33 AM  
a Surgery Dervish, subby. the gun gives it away. 
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2022-10-06 8:55:49 AM  
Uh...yeah, of course. This is how we handle our problems in the U.S.A. now... I don't understand why it's news anymore.

Someone crosses you, you shoot them.

/easy peasy
//no focus on peripherals
///collateral damage is someone else's problem
 
2022-10-06 10:52:49 AM  

Hoopy Frood: Oh, Yu...

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I love sports media. Two weeks ago "the Dodgers are afraid of the Mets, no way they'd want to face them in the NLDS."

This week "the Mets are afraid of Yu Darvish and Joe Musgrove, they're in huge trouble!"
 
2022-10-06 11:22:07 AM  
I had a dervish once

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2022-10-06 11:56:15 AM  
FTFA: It was not disclosed Wednesday why Dervish was not allowed inside the building.

I think we know.
 
2022-10-06 12:12:12 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: FTFA: It was not disclosed Wednesday why Dervish was not allowed inside the building.

I think we know.


like last time? FTA: This year marks the 20th anniversary of a shooting at the UA College of Nursing in which three professors were killed by a failing student, who then took his own life on Oct. 28, 2002.

Other sources say he was a grad student and he killed the department head (Dr. Thomas Meixner).
Grad school can be really high pressure.
Mental illness? Some romantic/sexual aspect? Expulsion for cheating or something criminal?
 
2022-10-06 12:27:58 PM  

Hoblit: Uh...yeah, of course. This is how we handle our problems in the U.S.A. now... I don't understand why it's news anymore.

Someone crosses you, you shoot them.

/easy peasy
//no focus on peripherals
///collateral damage is someone else's problem


Doesn't American history show that that has always been the case?
 
2022-10-06 12:58:52 PM  

ElFugawz: Smelly Pirate Hooker: FTFA: It was not disclosed Wednesday why Dervish was not allowed inside the building.

I think we know.

like last time? FTA: This year marks the 20th anniversary of a shooting at the UA College of Nursing in which three professors were killed by a failing student, who then took his own life on Oct. 28, 2002.

Other sources say he was a grad student and he killed the department head (Dr. Thomas Meixner).
Grad school can be really high pressure.
Mental illness? Some romantic/sexual aspect? Expulsion for cheating or something criminal?


Various security experts have pointed out that the time to really look out for violence is usually right after  someone gets fired, dumped, told to GTFO by someone, etc. And by "look out for" they mean "tighten security." Be aware that the time after someone suffers (in their mind) an attack on their self-worth (i.e., rejected in a way that they view as unjust, which for most of these people seems to be everything, all the time) is the time when they usually "lose it" and kill people. But the tendency to react horribly to obstacles or frustration was always there and not a surprise to most people who knew that person.

I don't know how the grad student stuff works, but if he suffered some sort of setback that he would obviously blame the department head for, that's probably the "trigger" for this. Not an excuse. People like this (usually men but not always men, as we know from incidents like the female professor who murdered 3 coworkers at the Univ of Alabama) don't just "snap" once. They do it all the time. They are frequently well known to police and other people who have witnessed their violent rage. They are almost never a "quiet" type who is wonderful and polite to everyone and then just lost it over a single incident. They are perpetually aggrieved and frequently angry at anyone who they feel deserves it. They are, in a word, mentally ill. And violent.

Our country really needs to do something about these people before they farking kill someone.

This country's addiction to rage and violence has resulted in probably millions of deaths over its history. Deaths distinct from war (though they probably aren't unrelated). Deaths of women, children, men, neighbors, innocent bystanders, coworkers, etc. We have a serious mental illness problem that probably won't be addressed anytime soon.
 
2022-10-06 1:10:50 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: I wonder if this is anything like the story a number of years back where a ~5th year Ph.D student killed his professor with a hammer after being told he was going to be there another 4, minimum.

/Cute Chris Rock "I ain't saying it's right..."


Ted Streleski was in his 19th year at Stanford when he killed his advisor.

Dude spend significantly less time in prison, even though he declined parole because he refused psychiatric treatment.
 
2022-10-06 1:25:27 PM  

waxbeans: Hoblit: Uh...yeah, of course. This is how we handle our problems in the U.S.A. now... I don't understand why it's news anymore.

Someone crosses you, you shoot them.

/easy peasy
//no focus on peripherals
///collateral damage is someone else's problem

Doesn't American history show that that has always been the case?


Not exactly, but I agree with your point anyway.

/1880s Tombstone, AZ out front should have told me...
 
2022-10-06 1:50:39 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Various security experts have pointed out that the time to really look out for violence is usually right after  someone gets fired, dumped, told to GTFO by someone, etc. And by "look out for" they mean "tighten security." Be aware that the time after someone suffers (in their mind) an attack on their self-worth (i.e., rejected in a way that they view as unjust, which for most of these people seems to be everything, all the time) is the time when they usually "lose it" and kill people. But the tendency to react horribly to obstacles or frustration was always there and not a surprise to most people who knew that person.


I knew some grad students (and co-workers) who thought there were just incredible and had no way to accept criticism or setbacks. I could totally see them spiraling if they were dismissed and blaming everyone else.
 
2022-10-06 2:51:44 PM  
The Frenzy can do 8x srm-4
You do not want to get shot by that
It's an absolute beast in a brawl

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2022-10-06 4:19:40 PM  
I thought they preferred spears?

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2022-10-06 7:53:35 PM  

fnordfocus: Glockenspiel Hero: I wonder if this is anything like the story a number of years back where a ~5th year Ph.D student killed his professor with a hammer after being told he was going to be there another 4, minimum.

/Cute Chris Rock "I ain't saying it's right..."

Ted Streleski was in his 19th year at Stanford when he killed his advisor.

Dude spend significantly less time in prison, even though he declined parole because he refused psychiatric treatment.


Guess he didn't have a better way of making it out.
 
2022-10-06 8:13:59 PM  
Honor Cultures.
 
2022-10-07 12:10:06 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I don't know how the grad student stuff works, but if he suffered some sort of setback that he would obviously blame the department head for, that's probably the "trigger" for this. Not an excuse. People like this (usually men but not always men, as we know from incidents like the female professor who murdered 3 coworkers at the Univ of Alabama) don't just "snap" once. They do it all the time. They are frequently well known to police and other people who have witnessed their violent rage. They are almost never a "quiet" type who is wonderful and polite to everyone and then just lost it over a single incident. They are perpetually aggrieved and frequently angry at anyone who they feel deserves it. They are, in a word, mentally ill. And violent.

Our country really needs to do something about these people before they farking kill someone.

This country's addiction to rage and violence has resulted in probably millions of deaths over its history. Deaths distinct from war (though they probably aren't unrelated). Deaths of women, children, men, neighbors, innocent bystanders, coworkers, etc. We have a serious mental illness problem that probably won't be addressed anytime soon.


Come collect your prize, SPH. He failed to get a graduate degree at multiple universities. He had anger issues.
"Looking into the background of Murad Dervish, we are finding a lot of accounts of rage and anger, but not a lot of explanation for it.
...
Court documents show as of early last month Dervish landlords started working to evict him for not paying his rent. A judge ordered the eviction on Sept. 27. "
https://www.kgun9.com/news/local-news/ua-murder-suspect-contacts-describe-rage-and-anger
 
2022-10-07 12:19:06 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: They are frequently well known to police and other people who have witnessed their violent rage. They are almost never a "quiet" type who is wonderful and polite to everyone and then just lost it over a single incident. They are perpetually aggrieved and frequently angry at anyone who they feel deserves it. They are, in a word, mentally ill. And violent.


And there is the stalker behavior and domestic violence:
"Court documents reveal a woman filed a restraining order against Dervish in 2020, stating he harassed and stalked her while he was a teaching assistant at San Diego State University."
From his father: "He tried to kill his mother... He smashed the equipment I had in my restaurant with a crowbar and then he threw a plate at me and hit my back... I'm so sorry this had to happen. I was hoping that he would go to prison for a long time for some other reason than killing somebody."
https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/university-of-arizona-murder-suspects-troubled-past-in-san-diego

Hard to say what the dad could do at that point.
 
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