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(Politico)   Trumper judges rule that presidents are not allowed to change immigration policy if they're Democrats   (politico.com) divider line
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2788 clicks; posted to Politics » on 06 Oct 2022 at 4:50 AM (8 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-10-06 4:51:23 AM  
Just ignore them. Its past time.
 
2022-10-06 5:25:17 AM  
Texas, joined by eight other Republican-leaning states argued that they are harmed financially, incurring hundreds of millions of dollars in health care, education and other costs, when immigrants are allowed to remain in the country illegally.

I'm sure they have the peer reviewed studies to back this up. Deport these entitled Republican assholes and grant the DACA people in limbo immediate citizenship. The country will be better off.
 
2022-10-06 5:28:53 AM  

Ragin' Asian: Texas, joined by eight other Republican-leaning states argued that they are harmed financially, incurring hundreds of millions of dollars in health care, education and other costs, when immigrants are allowed to remain in the country illegally.

I'm sure they have the peer reviewed studies to back this up. Deport these entitled Republican assholes and grant the DACA people in limbo immediate citizenship. The country will be better off.


Aren't these immigrants paying taxes, then are unable to get anything back for them?  Seems backwards.
 
2022-10-06 5:31:48 AM  
Finish passing the MF DREAM act, FFS. I grew up in central CA, in an area where Dreamers were very common. They're my peers. Those mfs are the hardest workers I've ever seen, anywhere. By the time my white, privileged ass who'd only done a few weekend's worth of actual labor in my life had rolled out of bed, those kids had already been up to put in a few hours of work before they came to my high school and still had GPAs they could brag about. Some even joined the military after HS, which really farks with my heart. They worked their asses off, and should be considered more American than the likes of me.

DREAM was one of the best pieces of legislation I've seen in my lifetime, but it sure seems like the only thing presidents can do now is rule by EO, and that arbitray, temporary shiat is almost worse than not doing anything.
 
2022-10-06 5:33:12 AM  
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2022-10-06 5:50:38 AM  

Ragin' Asian: Texas, joined by eight other Republican-leaning states argued that they are harmed financially, incurring hundreds of millions of dollars in health care, education and other costs, when immigrants are allowed to remain in the country illegally.

I'm sure they have the peer reviewed studies to back this up. Deport these entitled Republican assholes and grant the DACA people in limbo immediate citizenship. The country will be better off.


Yep.  Every fact based study that I've ever seen shows immigrants are good for the economy.

And they're especially good for my prospects of getting some of my social security money back
 
2022-10-06 6:09:29 AM  
Just remember: everything Trump touches, dies.

And we got touched for four years.
 
2022-10-06 6:20:00 AM  
Immigrants are good for everything except delicate snowflakes

/And, like all the other facts that the right has told us, the snowflakes are not on the side of the political divide that we've been told
 
2022-10-06 6:46:26 AM  
The proper response should be an executive order that says "You and what army?"
 
2022-10-06 6:46:29 AM  

SecondaryControl: Immigrants are good for everything except delicate snowflakes

/And, like all the other facts that the right has told us, the snowflakes are not on the side of the political divide that we've been told


There's an argument to be made that encouraging under the table labor that isn't subject to things like safety standards and worker protections is a problem. But the solution to that problem involves going after the employers who engage in those practices. The GOP isn't interested in doing that or really doing anything to actually deal with illegal immigration. As Trump demonstrated they just want an empty performance of strength and to abuse brown people.
 
2022-10-06 6:50:02 AM  

August11: Just remember: everything Trump touches, dies.

And we got touched for four years.


We weren't likely going to overcome our lack of education and media induced schism. Or wake from delusional deification of wealth and the wealthy as the bulk of the country slides into debt and poverty.

But yeah, Trump was the nail in the coffin.
 
2022-10-06 6:56:15 AM  

SecondaryControl: Immigrants are good for everything except *motherfarkin' racists*

/And, like all the other facts that the right has told us, the snowflakes are not on the side of the political divide that we've been told


Let's not mince words here.
 
2022-10-06 7:08:07 AM  
Can we just reopen Ellis Island already? You want to be a citizen? Get a cursory medical exam, get your fingerprints taken, maybe get a new last name... then go find the American dream.
 
2022-10-06 7:28:39 AM  
Texas, joined by eight other Republican-leaning states argued that they are harmed financially, incurring hundreds of millions of dollars in health care, education and other costs, when immigrants are allowed to remain in the country illegally.

OK, submit your receipts for the amount you've paid for health care, education, and other costs (with descriptions of what these "other costs" entail). I have no problem with the federal government reimbursing these in line with standard practices.

Of course, since you've seen to it there's no national healthcare provision, you won't get reimbursed for that.

And since you've done your best to defund education, you're not going to get much there. And what you do get will be subject to confirmation that you've provided education per national standards (educating people to not trust Texas politicians is all well and good, but does not count).
 
2022-10-06 7:40:05 AM  

Gonz: Can we just reopen Ellis Island already? You want to be a citizen? Get a cursory medical exam, get your fingerprints taken, maybe get a new last name... then go find the American dream.


Do we have a frontier we can ship them off to once they get here?
 
2022-10-06 9:10:30 AM  

Alphax: Aren't these immigrants paying taxes, then are unable to get anything back for them?


Theoretically, no, they shouldn't be paying taxes because they are unable to legally work in the USA. There should be no income taxes, payroll taxes, etc. collected from them because they're not legally able to work.
 
2022-10-06 9:36:36 AM  

Mouser: Do we have a frontier we can ship them off to once they get here?


Why bother with a frontier? Just have them fulfill the traditional immigrant role- "live in the big city and do jobs that decent people think are a little beneath them". See: police, firefighters, and the Irish in NYC and Boston if you'd like to learn more.
 
2022-10-06 9:54:13 AM  

Brat E. Pants: Some even joined the military after HS, which really farks with my heart.


If they served honorably in the US military for at least one year, they are eligible for naturalization. No need to "fark with your heart" if they can fill out the paperwork and become cititizens.
 
2022-10-06 10:09:55 AM  

mrmopar5287: Brat E. Pants: Some even joined the military after HS, which really farks with my heart.

If they served honorably in the US military for at least one year, they are eligible for naturalization. No need to "fark with your heart" if they can fill out the paperwork and become cititizens.


Not always that straightforward.  Many have PTSD from serving in our wars and didn't get the help they needed upon return so ended up being deported.

Deported U.S. Veterans Feel Abandoned By The Country They Defended

Hector López, 55,moved to California's Central Valley when he was a toddler. He joined the military in 1982. He was convicted of several marijuana charges. He was deported in 2006. He's fighting to go back to California with his family.

"I haven't seen my kids in 12 years. I have grandchildren I haven't met," López said.

His father and sister died after he was deported, López said. "I didn't get to say goodbye to them."

He says he's hopeful his marijuana convictions will be expunged now that marijuana is legal in California.
 
2022-10-06 10:24:59 AM  

Soup4Bonnie: Hector López, 55,moved to California's Central Valley when he was a toddler. He joined the military in 1982. He was convicted of several marijuana charges. He was deported in 2006.


The trick is you have to get your citizenship paperwork done BEFORE you start committing crimes. They can't deport you after that.
 
2022-10-06 10:26:36 AM  

Brat E. Pants: Those mfs are the hardest workers I've ever seen, anywhere.


And that.. is every republican's problem.

They fear these immigrants will prove to be better workers, more ethical, more capable, and more productive making republicans look like they suck by comparison.

And I think about that when I think of the SC MAGA I have to deal with. Dude does the bare minimum every day. Half the time, he does it so lackadaisically that its some shoddy haphazard work. I look at immigrants from various countries that by comparison, make the SC MAGA whacko look like a 'worst case scenario' hire.

So what better way to prevent the competition from upstaging you? Oppress them. That's the GOP modus operandi. I think the process to legal status should be fixed in a lot of ways, but the GOP approach is the wrong one by far.
 
2022-10-06 10:48:12 AM  

mrmopar5287: Soup4Bonnie: Hector López, 55,moved to California's Central Valley when he was a toddler. He joined the military in 1982. He was convicted of several marijuana charges. He was deported in 2006.

The trick is you have to get your citizenship paperwork done BEFORE you start committing crimes. They can't deport you after that.


sure, but coming back from two tours in Iraq and not picking up a substance abuse problem is probably not the easiest thing to do.

Anyway, our immigration system is a mess and this ruling just shows that the courts are AFU as well.

Hit the reset button and let's start a new game.  This one is too far gone.
 
2022-10-06 12:10:57 PM  

mrmopar5287: Alphax: Aren't these immigrants paying taxes, then are unable to get anything back for them?

Theoretically, no, they shouldn't be paying taxes because they are unable to legally work in the USA. There should be no income taxes, payroll taxes, etc. collected from them because they're not legally able to work.


Everything they spend their money on is taxed.
 
2022-10-06 12:24:37 PM  

Ishkur: mrmopar5287: Alphax: Aren't these immigrants paying taxes, then are unable to get anything back for them?

Theoretically, no, they shouldn't be paying taxes because they are unable to legally work in the USA. There should be no income taxes, payroll taxes, etc. collected from them because they're not legally able to work.

Everything they spend their money on is taxed.


Great, but they do get services provided to them from sales tax. They get police, fire, and EMS coverage from local sales taxes, and all the benefits from state sales taxes (roads built, transit, etc.).
 
2022-10-06 2:12:19 PM  

mrmopar5287: Ishkur: mrmopar5287: Alphax: Aren't these immigrants paying taxes, then are unable to get anything back for them?

Theoretically, no, they shouldn't be paying taxes because they are unable to legally work in the USA. There should be no income taxes, payroll taxes, etc. collected from them because they're not legally able to work.

Everything they spend their money on is taxed.

Great, but they do get services provided to them from sales tax. They get police, fire, and EMS coverage from local sales taxes, and all the benefits from state sales taxes (roads built, transit, etc.).


All of which adds to GDP.

At the end of the day more money changing hands is always better for the economy, so they add to its health and robustness no matter which way you slice it.
 
2022-10-06 2:49:14 PM  

Ishkur: mrmopar5287: Ishkur: mrmopar5287: Alphax: Aren't these immigrants paying taxes, then are unable to get anything back for them?

Theoretically, no, they shouldn't be paying taxes because they are unable to legally work in the USA. There should be no income taxes, payroll taxes, etc. collected from them because they're not legally able to work.

Everything they spend their money on is taxed.

Great, but they do get services provided to them from sales tax. They get police, fire, and EMS coverage from local sales taxes, and all the benefits from state sales taxes (roads built, transit, etc.).

All of which adds to GDP.

At the end of the day more money changing hands is always better for the economy, so they add to its health and robustness no matter which way you slice it.


Ah, yes, the Nancy Pelosi theory of food stamps - every dollar spent multiplies to be like $1.25 of economic gain.

"So why don't we give food stamps to everyone and grow the economy that way?"
 
2022-10-06 3:24:09 PM  

Gonz: Can we just reopen Ellis Island already? You want to be a citizen? Get a cursory medical exam, get your fingerprints taken, maybe get a new last name... then go find the American dream.


Why send them to Ellis Island?

It's a TNR program...  (Trap, Naturalize, Release).

And remember to laugh about the fact that they'll now have to pay US taxes forever, even if they leave, and if they somehow become rich overseas when attempting to give their wealth to their heirs, the US will want it's cut (after the absurdly large deduction).
 
2022-10-06 3:29:28 PM  

mrmopar5287: Ah, yes, the Nancy Pelosi theory of food stamps - every dollar spent multiplies to be like $1.25 of economic gain.


That's not a Nancy Pelosi theory, it's a sober fact of economics. It's called the multiplier effect, or the positive feedback mechanism. Each iteration increases the overall quotient.

Go take an Econ 101 course and learn something.

mrmopar5287: "So why don't we give food stamps to everyone and grow the economy that way?"


Because food is not the entire economy.
 
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