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(Guardian)   The Buffalo Bills are getting a new $1.4 billion stadium. Will taxpayers foot $850 million of the bill? Yes. Will there be a roof to shield them from the Buffalo weather and let them host a Super Bowl? Of course not   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2022-10-05 3:58:16 PM  
#GoBills
 
2022-10-05 4:09:35 PM  
You want opposing teams to play in your weather, duh.
 
2022-10-05 4:29:07 PM  
Taxpayers: $25 million for a water treatment plant??!? F*CK THAT NONSENSE!!

Also Taxpayers: $850 million for the Bills to have a new stadium? LET ME GET MY CHECKBOOK!!!
 
2022-10-05 4:45:53 PM  

Rev.K: Taxpayers: $25 million for a water treatment plant??!? F*CK THAT NONSENSE!!

Also Taxpayers: $850 million for the Bills to have a new stadium? LET ME GET MY CHECKBOOK!!!


Never underestimate the stupidity of the American taxpayers
 
2022-10-05 5:30:37 PM  
For lack of a better term, outdoor football in Buffalo is part of the "charm".

For example....

Lambeau Field isn't going away, but if Green Bay was going to construct a new stadium, making it indoors would seem like a sin.

Side note:

I have been to Seahawks games at the old Kingdome (R.I.P.) and Lumen Field, and even with our crappy/rainy winters, going to outdoor games in November and December somehow makes the experience better.

/Although I would prefer zero rain.
//Remember sitting in the Hawk's Nest during a late season game, and it was cold enough where I was surprised that the rain didn't turn into snow.
//Glad I didn't come down with pneumonia.
///Wasn't properly dressed for the elements.
 
2022-10-05 5:31:44 PM  

Rev.K: Taxpayers: $25 million for a water treatment plant??!? F*CK THAT NONSENSE!!

Also Taxpayers: $850 million for the Bills to have a new stadium? LET ME GET MY CHECKBOOK!!!


Two things build a sense of community:

Wearing the same color of clothes as the guy sitting next to you and everyone boiling their water before using it.
 
2022-10-05 5:35:06 PM  
Bills don't want a super bowl in Buffalo either.
 
2022-10-05 5:38:45 PM  

NewportBarGuy: You want opposing teams to play in your weather, duh.


Then fund it privately, if it's made with public money it should be available for use year round for events.
 
2022-10-05 5:40:11 PM  

The_Sponge: For lack of a better term, outdoor football in Buffalo is part of the "charm".

For example....

Lambeau Field isn't going away, but if Green Bay was going to construct a new stadium, making it indoors would seem like a sin.

Side note:

I have been to Seahawks games at the old Kingdome (R.I.P.) and Lumen Field, and even with our crappy/rainy winters, going to outdoor games in November and December somehow makes the experience better.

/Although I would prefer zero rain.
//Remember sitting in the Hawk's Nest during a late season game, and it was cold enough where I was surprised that the rain didn't turn into snow.
//Glad I didn't come down with pneumonia.
///Wasn't properly dressed for the elements.


I saw the Seahawks play the Giants at the Kingdome back in the mid 90s or so. The mezzanine level was gritty and had hanging light bulbs. It looked like a scene out of Das Boot. Fun, but, wow.
 
2022-10-05 5:42:22 PM  

Rev.K: Taxpayers: $25 million for a water treatment plant??!? F*CK THAT NONSENSE!!

Also Taxpayers: $850 million for the Bills to have a new stadium? LET ME GET MY CHECKBOOK!!!


Who said anything about a water treatment plant?  Our water is just fine once you get past the idiots that didn't bury the pipes deep enough to stop 'em from freezing in the winter.  Were you just pulling alternative arguments out of your arse?

I've been to plenty of winter games at Rich Stadium Ralph Wilson Stadium New Era Field Bills Stadium Highmark Stadium over the years and they've all been great experiences.
 
2022-10-05 5:51:44 PM  

Hillbilly Jim: NewportBarGuy: You want opposing teams to play in your weather, duh.

Then fund it privately, if it's made with public money it should be available for use year round for events.


I wasn't talking about the funding.

No billionaire should be getting tax funds for their sports teams. They can go f*ck themselves.
 
2022-10-05 5:57:11 PM  

The_Sponge: For lack of a better term, outdoor football in Buffalo is part of the "charm".

For example....

Lambeau Field isn't going away, but if Green Bay was going to construct a new stadium, making it indoors would seem like a sin.

Side note:

I have been to Seahawks games at the old Kingdome (R.I.P.) and Lumen Field, and even with our crappy/rainy winters, going to outdoor games in November and December somehow makes the experience better.

/Although I would prefer zero rain.
//Remember sitting in the Hawk's Nest during a late season game, and it was cold enough where I was surprised that the rain didn't turn into snow.
//Glad I didn't come down with pneumonia.
///Wasn't properly dressed for the elements.


Packers fan here and I agree that weather can be part of the charm.  I've been to multiple snow games at Lambeau and yeah it's cold but always a fun time.  For other cities yeah maybe you want a dome to host other events but Green Bay is such a small market it works for them, but just my opinion and all.
 
2022-10-05 6:02:23 PM  

The_Sponge: For lack of a better term, outdoor football in Buffalo is part of the "charm".

For example....

Lambeau Field isn't going away, but if Green Bay was going to construct a new stadium, making it indoors would seem like a sin.

Side note:

I have been to Seahawks games at the old Kingdome (R.I.P.) and Lumen Field, and even with our crappy/rainy winters, going to outdoor games in November and December somehow makes the experience better.

/Although I would prefer zero rain.
//Remember sitting in the Hawk's Nest during a late season game, and it was cold enough where I was surprised that the rain didn't turn into snow.
//Glad I didn't come down with pneumonia.
///Wasn't properly dressed for the elements.


Is "wasn't properly dressed for the elements" a euphemism for "I had on more body paint than clothes and might have been very drunk and/or high"?
 
2022-10-05 6:03:32 PM  
I'm curious, does the NFL require stadiums to have a certain number of 'public' seats or can we look forward to a time when stadiums in certain 'high value' markets are nothing but luxury boxes?

/asking for a friend
//no, I'm not friends with Dan Snyder
///how could you even suggest such a thing?
 
2022-10-05 6:03:54 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Hillbilly Jim: NewportBarGuy: You want opposing teams to play in your weather, duh.

Then fund it privately, if it's made with public money it should be available for use year round for events.

I wasn't talking about the funding.

No billionaire should be getting tax funds for their sports teams. They can go f*ck themselves.


I'd be curious to see if what the Packers have done with stock sales to help fund renovations would work in other markets.  Green Bay is what, the smallest market I think?

*Googles*

"The Green Bay Packers are the smallest market NFL team with a market size of 456,000 people. In fact, Green Bay is the smallest major league professional sports market in North America."

If they can do it the NFL should find a way to let other teams do it.  Or maybe league rules don't allow it?  I dunno, I'm no rules expert...
 
2022-10-05 6:12:35 PM  

vudukungfu: Rev.K: Taxpayers: $25 million for a water treatment plant??!? F*CK THAT NONSENSE!!

Also Taxpayers: $850 million for the Bills to have a new stadium? LET ME GET MY CHECKBOOK!!!

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American taxpayers


No taxpayers involved in this decision. These are back room deals between the wealthy and politicians. Always.

FTA:
"Full details are yet to be publicly revealed as negotiations conclude."

"The area has an influential booster: the governor of New York, Kathy Hochul. The Democrat was born in Buffalo and her husband is a senior executive at Delaware North, the Buffalo-headquartered food service and hospitality giant which operates at Highmark."

"A day after her announcement, Hochul revealed where $418m of the $600m will come from: disputed tax revenue collected from the Seneca Nation, a Native American nation based in western New York which generates the bulk of its revenue from casinos.
The state froze the Senecas' bank accounts, producing a furious reaction from the nation's president, Matthew Pagels, ..."

Room for graft all around, but the taxpayers never had a role to play.

Boston politicians tried this bs for the Olympics bid. Only a massive community outpouring of Fark You reversed the bid.
 
2022-10-05 6:14:55 PM  
Lots of cities are so defense if a team, especially an NFL team, threatens to leave.

Not Los Angeles.  Los Angeles is Los Angeles and will always be Los Angeles, and the team should be kissing the city's ring, not the other way around.

Tipped to win their first Super Bowl this season, the Bills opened their campaign with an impressive 31-10 win over the reigning Super Bowl champions, the Los Angeles Rams, at SoFi Stadium in southern California.
SoFi cost about $5bn - all funded privately by the owner, Stan Kroenke. It hosts the Rams, moved by Kroenke from St Louis in 2016, and the Chargers, who played in San Diego until 2017.

Across the street, Steve Ballmer, the owner of the LA Clippers basketball team (who began life in 1970 as the Buffalo Braves) is privately funding a new $2bn arena. The Clippers agreed a $100m CBA with the Inglewood city council that includes funding for projects such as a library and community center, college scholarships, after-school tutoring, student counseling and low-interest loans for affordable housing.


More cities should act like Los Angeles.
 
2022-10-05 6:21:44 PM  

TheFoz: NewportBarGuy: Hillbilly Jim: NewportBarGuy: You want opposing teams to play in your weather, duh.

Then fund it privately, if it's made with public money it should be available for use year round for events.

I wasn't talking about the funding.

No billionaire should be getting tax funds for their sports teams. They can go f*ck themselves.

I'd be curious to see if what the Packers have done with stock sales to help fund renovations would work in other markets.  Green Bay is what, the smallest market I think?

*Googles*

"The Green Bay Packers are the smallest market NFL team with a market size of 456,000 people. In fact, Green Bay is the smallest major league professional sports market in North America."

If they can do it the NFL should find a way to let other teams do it.  Or maybe league rules don't allow it?  I dunno, I'm no rules expert...


All NFL teams now have to privately owned.  The Green Bay Packer setup (a nonprofit public corporation) already existed when that rule passed and was grandfathered in.
 
2022-10-05 6:25:09 PM  
Buffalo doesn't have remotely enough hotel and event space to host a Super Bowl, dome or no dome.  The only way it could be done is if they included Niagara Falls, ON hotel space as part of the SB Experience.  This would turn all 3 bridges into a(n even more) complete shiatshow for 2 weeks.  I just really don't think it could ever happen.
 
2022-10-05 6:37:57 PM  

ClintonTyree: "A day after her announcement, Hochul revealed where $418m of the $600m will come from: disputed tax revenue collected from the Seneca Nation, a Native American nation based in western New York which generates the bulk of its revenue from casinos.
The state froze the Senecas' bank accounts, producing a furious reaction from the nation's president, Matthew Pagels, ..."


To be fair, stealing from the Natives is probably the most American way imaginable to pay for a football stadium.
 
2022-10-05 6:38:25 PM  

Wadded Beef: The_Sponge: For lack of a better term, outdoor football in Buffalo is part of the "charm".

For example....

Lambeau Field isn't going away, but if Green Bay was going to construct a new stadium, making it indoors would seem like a sin.

Side note:

I have been to Seahawks games at the old Kingdome (R.I.P.) and Lumen Field, and even with our crappy/rainy winters, going to outdoor games in November and December somehow makes the experience better.

/Although I would prefer zero rain.
//Remember sitting in the Hawk's Nest during a late season game, and it was cold enough where I was surprised that the rain didn't turn into snow.
//Glad I didn't come down with pneumonia.
///Wasn't properly dressed for the elements.

I saw the Seahawks play the Giants at the Kingdome back in the mid 90s or so. The mezzanine level was gritty and had hanging light bulbs. It looked like a scene out of Das Boot. Fun, but, wow.


Yeah...I have a lot of fond memories there...especially Mariners games in 1996 and 1997...a friend's dad had incredible season tickets.  But damn, it was ugly.

Before it was imploded, my younger brother's high school graduation was held there in June '99....the rental fees must have been ridiculously cheap because his class size was similar to mine...around 360.  It was amusing to see so many empty seats.
 
2022-10-05 6:40:49 PM  

VisualiseThis: The_Sponge: For lack of a better term, outdoor football in Buffalo is part of the "charm".

For example....

Lambeau Field isn't going away, but if Green Bay was going to construct a new stadium, making it indoors would seem like a sin.

Side note:

I have been to Seahawks games at the old Kingdome (R.I.P.) and Lumen Field, and even with our crappy/rainy winters, going to outdoor games in November and December somehow makes the experience better.

/Although I would prefer zero rain.
//Remember sitting in the Hawk's Nest during a late season game, and it was cold enough where I was surprised that the rain didn't turn into snow.
//Glad I didn't come down with pneumonia.
///Wasn't properly dressed for the elements.

Is "wasn't properly dressed for the elements" a euphemism for "I had on more body paint than clothes and might have been very drunk and/or high"?


LOL...no body paint.  But I neglected to bring a jacket.

/And yes, I was drunk.
//It helped.
 
2022-10-05 6:43:20 PM  

EasilyDistracted: Were you just pulling alternative arguments out of your arse?


The larger point here is that the phenomenon of taxpayer funded arenas and stadiums for privately-owned sports franchises is not localized to Buffalo, New York, or even the United States.

Taxpayers in a lot of cities, including Buffalo, oppose public investment in services like water treatment, that literally keep them alive, but will gleefully hand out exponentially more money to a professional sports franchise that taxpayers will be lucky to break even on.

Meanwhile, the franchise exploits all possible financial benefits of a new barn.

These "investments" are absolutely toxic for taxpayers. The taxpayer gets an absolutely sh*tty deal, while the team makes bank.

Local and state governments should not play mortgage broker to professional sports franchises with taxpayer money, period.

But here we are.
 
2022-10-05 6:43:43 PM  

Geotpf: TheFoz: NewportBarGuy: Hillbilly Jim: NewportBarGuy: You want opposing teams to play in your weather, duh.

Then fund it privately, if it's made with public money it should be available for use year round for events.

I wasn't talking about the funding.

No billionaire should be getting tax funds for their sports teams. They can go f*ck themselves.

I'd be curious to see if what the Packers have done with stock sales to help fund renovations would work in other markets.  Green Bay is what, the smallest market I think?

*Googles*

"The Green Bay Packers are the smallest market NFL team with a market size of 456,000 people. In fact, Green Bay is the smallest major league professional sports market in North America."

If they can do it the NFL should find a way to let other teams do it.  Or maybe league rules don't allow it?  I dunno, I'm no rules expert...

All NFL teams now have to privately owned.  The Green Bay Packer setup (a nonprofit public corporation) already existed when that rule passed and was grandfathered in.


Ah, gotcha and thank you.

Although the Packers shareholders as far as I know don't really have any actual power.  (Could be wrong on that.)

I know they don't get dividends or anything so couldn't an NFL owner just have a stock sale but keep a majority share or something?

/ok enough of my ramblings
 
2022-10-05 6:44:38 PM  

Wadded Beef: I saw the Seahawks play the Giants at the Kingdome back in the mid 90s or so. The mezzanine level was gritty and had hanging light bulbs. It looked like a scene out of Das Boot. Fun, but, wow.


Also, who is the sadistic f*ck who designed those urinals?

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2022-10-05 6:49:07 PM  

The_Sponge: Wadded Beef: I saw the Seahawks play the Giants at the Kingdome back in the mid 90s or so. The mezzanine level was gritty and had hanging light bulbs. It looked like a scene out of Das Boot. Fun, but, wow.

Also, who is the sadistic f*ck who designed those urinals?

[Fark user image image 425x504]


What the Fark?

I mean I've peed in plenty of trough style urinals but that's just bizarre...
 
2022-10-05 6:53:14 PM  
I don't understand how anyone spends $1.4B on a building that doesn't have a roof.
 
2022-10-05 6:54:48 PM  
The cool thing is the walls will be designed to "confuse" the wind, like currently exists at the Ralph.
 
2022-10-05 7:02:43 PM  

The_Sponge: Wadded Beef: I saw the Seahawks play the Giants at the Kingdome back in the mid 90s or so. The mezzanine level was gritty and had hanging light bulbs. It looked like a scene out of Das Boot. Fun, but, wow.

Also, who is the sadistic f*ck who designed those urinals?

[Fark user image 425x504]


"Kingdome Dick" sounds like the name of a mysterious phantom who haunts the stadium, wearing dayglo lime green, and heaving dead salmons at people if their attention wanders during the game.
 
2022-10-05 7:03:22 PM  
The funding has been gone over already, lets talk about the dome.

My take is that would cost double to create the structure to hold the weight of the snow or an elaborate heating system to keep snow from collecting on the roof. How was it done for the Vikings?
 
2022-10-05 7:06:29 PM  
That stadium has bad blood all over it and it's not even built. It should be named after the Seneca Nation after the long standing legal battle they have with NYS over, amongst many things, casino gaming revenue and taxation.

https://13wham.com/news/local/nys-to-use-millions-from-seneca-nation-for-bills-stadium
 
2022-10-05 7:12:35 PM  

Calehedron: The funding has been gone over already, lets talk about the dome.

My take is that would cost double to create the structure to hold the weight of the snow or an elaborate heating system to keep snow from collecting on the roof. How was it done for the Vikings?


Poorly.

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2022-10-05 7:34:31 PM  

Zorba Paster's Wet Nurse: That stadium has bad blood all over it and it's not even built. It should be named after the Seneca Nation after the long standing legal battle they have with NYS over, amongst many things, casino gaming revenue and taxation.

https://13wham.com/news/local/nys-to-use-millions-from-seneca-nation-for-bills-stadium


What part of "what the state was owed" is hard for you?

Seneca runs at least 2-3 casinos, and sells weed tax free on the res. They'll be fine.
 
2022-10-05 7:36:01 PM  

Calehedron: The funding has been gone over already, lets talk about the dome.

My take is that would cost double to create the structure to hold the weight of the snow or an elaborate heating system to keep snow from collecting on the roof. How was it done for the Vikings?


I just learned more about the Metrodome's roof than I probably needed...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_H._Humphrey_Metrodome
 
2022-10-05 7:40:16 PM  

The_Sponge: Wadded Beef: I saw the Seahawks play the Giants at the Kingdome back in the mid 90s or so. The mezzanine level was gritty and had hanging light bulbs. It looked like a scene out of Das Boot. Fun, but, wow.

Also, who is the sadistic f*ck who designed those urinals?

[Fark user image 425x504]


Okay I remember a long trough? I don't recall the circles of pee.

But I only went to a handful of games and think I only used one restroom.
 
2022-10-05 7:44:30 PM  

phimuskapsi: Zorba Paster's Wet Nurse: That stadium has bad blood all over it and it's not even built. It should be named after the Seneca Nation after the long standing legal battle they have with NYS over, amongst many things, casino gaming revenue and taxation.

https://13wham.com/news/local/nys-to-use-millions-from-seneca-nation-for-bills-stadium

What part of "what the state was owed" is hard for you?

Seneca runs at least 2-3 casinos, and sells weed tax free on the res. They'll be fine.


Much to be debated and centuries of history to get this point. Not a binary yes or no to this. The gaming compact with NYS left this to interpretation. I do not believe there was any money owed, beyond a specific time, to NYS based on the explicit language in the compact. And the freezing of Seneca Nation bank funds to force payment earlier this year set precedent for the worse when it comes to Tribal Sovereignty, not just for Seneca Nation, but other tribes in NYS.
 
2022-10-05 7:47:21 PM  

Zorba Paster's Wet Nurse: phimuskapsi: Zorba Paster's Wet Nurse: That stadium has bad blood all over it and it's not even built. It should be named after the Seneca Nation after the long standing legal battle they have with NYS over, amongst many things, casino gaming revenue and taxation.

https://13wham.com/news/local/nys-to-use-millions-from-seneca-nation-for-bills-stadium

What part of "what the state was owed" is hard for you?

Seneca runs at least 2-3 casinos, and sells weed tax free on the res. They'll be fine.

Much to be debated and centuries of history to get this point. Not a binary yes or no to this. The gaming compact with NYS left this to interpretation. I do not believe there was any money owed, beyond a specific time, to NYS based on the explicit language in the compact. And the freezing of Seneca Nation bank funds to force payment earlier this year set precedent for the worse when it comes to Tribal Sovereignty, not just for Seneca Nation, but other tribes in NYS.


lol. Take it from someone that lives here, they make hundreds of millions a year, if they withhold what they owe, then the state is going to come for it. That was all dictated in the gaming agreement to begin with.

Interesting how the money that is made by the nations in nys don't really make it to those I'm the nation, other than the stake owners. Weird, right?
 
2022-10-05 7:48:53 PM  

phimuskapsi: Zorba Paster's Wet Nurse: phimuskapsi: Zorba Paster's Wet Nurse: That stadium has bad blood all over it and it's not even built. It should be named after the Seneca Nation after the long standing legal battle they have with NYS over, amongst many things, casino gaming revenue and taxation.

https://13wham.com/news/local/nys-to-use-millions-from-seneca-nation-for-bills-stadium

What part of "what the state was owed" is hard for you?

Seneca runs at least 2-3 casinos, and sells weed tax free on the res. They'll be fine.

Much to be debated and centuries of history to get this point. Not a binary yes or no to this. The gaming compact with NYS left this to interpretation. I do not believe there was any money owed, beyond a specific time, to NYS based on the explicit language in the compact. And the freezing of Seneca Nation bank funds to force payment earlier this year set precedent for the worse when it comes to Tribal Sovereignty, not just for Seneca Nation, but other tribes in NYS.

lol. Take it from someone that lives here, they make hundreds of millions a year, if they withhold what they owe, then the state is going to come for it. That was all dictated in the gaming agreement to begin with.

Interesting how the money that is made by the nations in nys don't really make it to those I'm the nation, other than the stake owners. Weird, right?


I grew up on the Cattaraugus Indian Reservation.
 
2022-10-05 7:50:13 PM  
"I think the NFL is 10 years away from an implosion, I'm just telling you: Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. And they're getting slaughtered. Just watch. Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. When you take it too far, people turn the other way. I'm just telling you, when you've got a good thing and you get greedy, it always, always, always, always turns on you. That's rule No. 1 of business." -- Mark Cuban (March 2014)

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/nfl-proposed-playoff-expansion-could-be-tipping-point-in-greed-015752890.html
 
2022-10-05 8:22:05 PM  

The_Sponge: For lack of a better term, outdoor football in Buffalo is part of the "charm".

For example....

Lambeau Field isn't going away, but if Green Bay was going to construct a new stadium, making it indoors would seem like a sin.

Side note:

I have been to Seahawks games at the old Kingdome (R.I.P.) and Lumen Field, and even with our crappy/rainy winters, going to outdoor games in November and December somehow makes the experience better.

/Although I would prefer zero rain.
//Remember sitting in the Hawk's Nest during a late season game, and it was cold enough where I was surprised that the rain didn't turn into snow.
//Glad I didn't come down with pneumonia.
///Wasn't properly dressed for the elements.


No one dresses properly for their first winter game as a fan (I didn't). No one completely takes into account the fact that they won't be moving very much.
 
2022-10-05 8:23:02 PM  

NewportBarGuy: You want opposing teams to play in your weather, duh.


Not when you have one of the top quarterbacks and the weather is cold/snow.
 
2022-10-05 8:25:48 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: "I think the NFL is 10 years away from an implosion, I'm just telling you: Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. And they're getting slaughtered. Just watch. Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. When you take it too far, people turn the other way. I'm just telling you, when you've got a good thing and you get greedy, it always, always, always, always turns on you. That's rule No. 1 of business." -- Mark Cuban (March 2014)

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/nfl-proposed-playoff-expansion-could-be-tipping-point-in-greed-015752890.html


I mean, we're only 2 years away and the NFL only gets more popular. So....maybe should have gone with 20 years
 
2022-10-05 8:31:44 PM  

dark brew: NewportBarGuy: You want opposing teams to play in your weather, duh.

Not when you have one of the top quarterbacks and the weather is cold/snow.


Not necessarily, if your team plays in certain weather every year it can be an advantage.  Could be heat, snow, etc...
 
2022-10-05 8:39:07 PM  

TheFoz: dark brew: NewportBarGuy: You want opposing teams to play in your weather, duh.

Not when you have one of the top quarterbacks and the weather is cold/snow.

Not necessarily, if your team plays in certain weather every year it can be an advantage.  Could be heat, snow, etc...


Raining D-cell batteries. Thanks for that, Raiders fans.
 
2022-10-05 8:45:07 PM  

hagar129: Bills don't want a super bowl in Buffalo either.


That would never happen even with the fanciest dome.  The city doesn't have the infrastructure and hotel space to accommodate it.
 
2022-10-05 9:03:05 PM  

Calehedron: The funding has been gone over already, lets talk about the dome.

My take is that would cost double to create the structure to hold the weight of the snow or an elaborate heating system to keep snow from collecting on the roof. How was it done for the Vikings?


Teflon roof sheds snow into heated gutters with drainage. Stadium cost was $1.1B.
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2022-10-05 9:05:21 PM  

Trocadero: Calehedron: The funding has been gone over already, lets talk about the dome.

My take is that would cost double to create the structure to hold the weight of the snow or an elaborate heating system to keep snow from collecting on the roof. How was it done for the Vikings?

Poorly.

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What did you expect for a dome that cost $68M?
 
2022-10-05 9:23:56 PM  

Geotpf: Lots of cities are so defense if a team, especially an NFL team, threatens to leave.

Not Los Angeles.  Los Angeles is Los Angeles and will always be Los Angeles, and the team should be kissing the city's ring, not the other way around.

Tipped to win their first Super Bowl this season, the Bills opened their campaign with an impressive 31-10 win over the reigning Super Bowl champions, the Los Angeles Rams, at SoFi Stadium in southern California.
SoFi cost about $5bn - all funded privately by the owner, Stan Kroenke. It hosts the Rams, moved by Kroenke from St Louis in 2016, and the Chargers, who played in San Diego until 2017.

Across the street, Steve Ballmer, the owner of the LA Clippers basketball team (who began life in 1970 as the Buffalo Braves) is privately funding a new $2bn arena. The Clippers agreed a $100m CBA with the Inglewood city council that includes funding for projects such as a library and community center, college scholarships, after-school tutoring, student counseling and low-interest loans for affordable housing.

More cities should act like Los Angeles.


I agree, but to be fair let's just see what would happen if the Lakers threatened to leave.

Also, cities like Los Angeles and San Diego have inherent environmental advantages that lend themselves to fan apathy when it comes to teams threatening to leave. Cities like Buffalo don't.
 
2022-10-05 9:26:51 PM  
I'm just happy they're staying in Buffalo in the long term.

Toronto Bills just sounds wrong.
 
2022-10-05 9:37:56 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I'm just happy they're staying in Buffalo in the long term.

Toronto Bills just sounds wrong.


Seconded.

I still remember when the Seahawks had an away game in Toronto against the Bills.  Yes, it was kind of cool, but the Bills should always remain in Buffalo.
 
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