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2022-10-05 1:39:13 PM  
They will do it here too.  Make the design and supply chain that much harder if they dont.
 
2022-10-05 1:44:45 PM  

BizarreMan: They will do it here too.  Make the design and supply chain that much harder if they dont.


They just voluntarily did that with versions that don't have a sim card.
 
2022-10-05 1:57:00 PM  

Gubbo: BizarreMan: They will do it here too.  Make the design and supply chain that much harder if they dont.

They just voluntarily did that with versions that don't have a sim card.


Yup. I recently got a new iPad Air and it's got a USB-C connector instead of Lightning.
 
2022-10-05 2:00:15 PM  

MrBallou: Gubbo: BizarreMan: They will do it here too.  Make the design and supply chain that much harder if they dont.

They just voluntarily did that with versions that don't have a sim card.

Yup. I recently got a new iPad Air and it's got a USB-C connector instead of Lightning.


Only reason to keep lightning is to sell the cable.

Wonder why they changed it to USB c on the ipads
 
2022-10-05 2:21:37 PM  
This is old news in the sense that Apple was already planning on the switch earlier this year for the 2023 models.
 
2022-10-05 2:29:55 PM  

Gubbo: Wonder why they changed it to USB c on the ipads


Accessory support. iPads, especially iPad pro, is positioned as a computer replacement, and being able to hook up accessories like local storage, wired keyboards, mice, ect. is useful, at least more so than on a Phone.

Apple helped push this by separating iOS, which runs phones, from iPadOS, which, shockingly, supports iPads. They also have watchOS for the Apple Watch, and tvOS for AppleTV. (on top of macOS for Macbooks, iMacs and other desktops)
 
2022-10-05 2:44:51 PM  

Gubbo: MrBallou: Gubbo: BizarreMan: They will do it here too.  Make the design and supply chain that much harder if they dont.

They just voluntarily did that with versions that don't have a sim card.

Yup. I recently got a new iPad Air and it's got a USB-C connector instead of Lightning.

Only reason to keep lightning is to sell the cable.

Wonder why they changed it to USB c on the ipads


They sell those cables, too.
 
2022-10-05 2:47:15 PM  
Larger devices such as laptops will fall under the rules beginning in the spring of 2026.

This will be challenging for higher powered gaming laptops.
 
2022-10-05 2:50:43 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Larger devices such as laptops will fall under the rules beginning in the spring of 2026.

This will be challenging for higher powered gaming laptops.


Just add an extra usb-c port for every 100w worth of charging you need.
 
2022-10-05 2:53:24 PM  
I have a bunch of older magnet style lightnings that don't work on newer iPhone :(
 
2022-10-05 3:00:55 PM  
It will be a magnificent day when Apple invents the USB-C connector for cell phone use!
 
2022-10-05 3:11:33 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: This is old news in the sense that Apple was already planning on the switch earlier this year for the 2023 models.


This has been in-process in the EU for a while now, and Apple has been fighting them tooth and nail, but essentially fruitlessly.  They've been staring at the writing on the wall, so it would have been stupid not to plan for the eventuality.  I suspect they always expected to lose the laptop argument but were hoping to at least retain their iPhone/iPad port.
 
2022-10-05 3:20:55 PM  

Driedsponge: DeathByGeekSquad: This is old news in the sense that Apple was already planning on the switch earlier this year for the 2023 models.

This has been in-process in the EU for a while now, and Apple has been fighting them tooth and nail, but essentially fruitlessly.  They've been staring at the writing on the wall, so it would have been stupid not to plan for the eventuality.  I suspect they always expected to lose the laptop argument but were hoping to at least retain their iPhone/iPad port.


Their laptops have been USB-C only for something like 5 years now. Don't think they were ever making an argument there.
 
2022-10-05 3:27:34 PM  
The decision will come down to money.

Maintaining production of two different versions of each device will cost more than having only one version of each device, but will that additional cost be offset by the sale of Apple-branded cables for just the US market?

Because we know Congress isn't going to do shiat toward making them standardize here too.
 
2022-10-05 3:28:54 PM  

sherkaner: Driedsponge: DeathByGeekSquad: This is old news in the sense that Apple was already planning on the switch earlier this year for the 2023 models.

This has been in-process in the EU for a while now, and Apple has been fighting them tooth and nail, but essentially fruitlessly.  They've been staring at the writing on the wall, so it would have been stupid not to plan for the eventuality.  I suspect they always expected to lose the laptop argument but were hoping to at least retain their iPhone/iPad port.

Their laptops have been USB-C only for something like 5 years now. Don't think they were ever making an argument there.


The new ones use MagSafe, but you can also charge them through the USB port.
 
2022-10-05 3:31:25 PM  

theresnothinglft: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Larger devices such as laptops will fall under the rules beginning in the spring of 2026.

This will be challenging for higher powered gaming laptops.

Just add an extra usb-c port for every 100w worth of charging you need.


The USB4 standard is supposed to top out at 240w in 'extended power range'.  100w is for standard power range.

240w is going to be big enough for most laptops, but we certainly aren't going to see an RTX 4000 series chipset shoehorned into a laptop with a USBc charging cable anytime soon.

That being said, 4 years is an eternity in electronics.  By 2026 we'll most likely see some sizable increases in power efficiency and an update to the USB standard that allows for higher power transfer.
 
2022-10-05 3:38:12 PM  

sherkaner: Driedsponge: DeathByGeekSquad: This is old news in the sense that Apple was already planning on the switch earlier this year for the 2023 models.

This has been in-process in the EU for a while now, and Apple has been fighting them tooth and nail, but essentially fruitlessly.  They've been staring at the writing on the wall, so it would have been stupid not to plan for the eventuality.  I suspect they always expected to lose the laptop argument but were hoping to at least retain their iPhone/iPad port.

Their laptops have been USB-C only for something like 5 years now. Don't think they were ever making an argument there.


Maybe not.  I remember the EU kicked the idea around with either the Mini or the Micro USB standard but eventually shelved the notion, which was probably good, because both of those really sucked donkeyballs.
 
2022-10-05 4:06:47 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Larger devices such as laptops will fall under the rules beginning in the spring of 2026.

This will be challenging for higher powered gaming laptops.


Only applies to devices under a certain wattage IIRC.
 
2022-10-05 4:20:30 PM  

mjbok: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Larger devices such as laptops will fall under the rules beginning in the spring of 2026.

This will be challenging for higher powered gaming laptops.

Only applies to devices under a certain wattage IIRC.


So if you don't want to change, just make your device horribly inefficient.  I'm sure no companies will do that to protect their peripheral sales.
 
2022-10-05 4:21:43 PM  

labman: mjbok: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Larger devices such as laptops will fall under the rules beginning in the spring of 2026.

This will be challenging for higher powered gaming laptops.

Only applies to devices under a certain wattage IIRC.

So if you don't want to change, just make your device horribly inefficient.  I'm sure no companies will do that to protect their peripheral sales.


Right. Consumers definitely don't care about battery life.
 
2022-10-05 4:29:38 PM  

qorkfiend: Right. Consumers definitely don't care about battery life.


You could argue that they don't, what with the prevalence of cell phones that are so thin the camera lenses stick out. Instead of you know, just making it flat and using the extra space for a battery.
 
2022-10-05 4:46:57 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: sherkaner: Driedsponge: DeathByGeekSquad: This is old news in the sense that Apple was already planning on the switch earlier this year for the 2023 models.

This has been in-process in the EU for a while now, and Apple has been fighting them tooth and nail, but essentially fruitlessly.  They've been staring at the writing on the wall, so it would have been stupid not to plan for the eventuality.  I suspect they always expected to lose the laptop argument but were hoping to at least retain their iPhone/iPad port.

Their laptops have been USB-C only for something like 5 years now. Don't think they were ever making an argument there.

The new ones use MagSafe, but you can also charge them through the USB port.


Nice, the MagSafe was always a great feature. Good that they are keeping it flexible with the USB-C charging as well.

Although I personally think the Lightning port is the superior connector, it is a little baffling that they've resisted USB-C on the phones for so long. Seems like it was clear USB-C was going to be the way forward for a few years now.
 
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