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2022-10-05 11:37:05 AM  
It appears that he had the best of intentions and was reasonable. If it isn't state law in Vermont, then he can do what he wants. In Ohio, if you feed it, it must be 0.9 1.3

Having worked in water treatment for 14 years I can vouch for the poor quality of the Chinese fluoride. Only the best from Florida will do.
 
2022-10-05 11:51:04 AM  
General Jack D. Ripper unavailable for comment.
 
2022-10-05 11:56:34 AM  
*Republican-like excuse making has been detected*
 
2022-10-05 12:09:59 PM  
I, for one, welcome the return to the Middle Ages.

I hear a fella can really make out as a court astrologer reading goat entrails.
 
2022-10-05 12:11:41 PM  

RaceDTruck: General Jack D. Ripper unavailable for comment.


Although I, uh, hate to judge before all the facts are in, it's beginning to look like, uh, Kendall Chamberlin exceeded his authority.
 
2022-10-05 12:13:22 PM  

RaceDTruck: General Jack D. Ripper unavailable for comment.


He's on the other line.
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2022-10-05 12:13:44 PM  
Toxicity PLUS exposure.  Pretty simple concept.
 
2022-10-05 12:14:57 PM  

virgo47: It appears that he had the best of intentions and was reasonable. If it isn't state law in Vermont, then he can do what he wants. In Ohio, if you feed it, it must be 0.9 1.3

Having worked in water treatment for 14 years I can vouch for the poor quality of the Chinese fluoride. Only the best from Florida will do.


Best of intentions? There's a common saying about that. Let's say he had the best of intentions and raised the fluoride level on his own. I think that people would rightly be pissed off too. The problem is not the fluoride level but that one person thinks they have carte blanche to change it to whatever they want.
 
2022-10-05 12:15:56 PM  
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2022-10-05 12:16:35 PM  
I have negative quantities of conspiracy in my bloodstream, but I don't particularly understand why municipal water is the best way to get fluoride into the mouths of babes.  Is it one of those things where daily consumption is necessary for dental protection, or could it be conferred by a supplement or periodic treatment?  It just seems odd that we wash our clothes and shower and water lawns with fluoride.  I had a dudebro roommate who was convinced it was a government plot to turn the populace into sheep.  All I know is that, growing up outside the US, I didn't get fluoride, and my teeth were pretty cavity-prone.
 
2022-10-05 12:18:21 PM  
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2022-10-05 12:19:14 PM  

virgo47: It appears that he had the best of intentions and was reasonable.


A single person making that decision on behalf of the entire community, and doing so with no notification or oversight or anyone else knowing he was doing it, is NOT reasonable.

They think they have a good case for making the decision, great. Make that case, do so openly, and provide the information to the community. Follow the data; it if suggests this isn't a bad idea, then by all means, I'm all for it.

But there is nothing reasonable about just arbitrarily doing it on your own, with nary a word to anyone else.
 
2022-10-05 12:19:20 PM  
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2022-10-05 12:21:07 PM  
I'm opposed to putting fluoride in the water. Like, if the government can just decide to put chemicals in the water, then what's to stop The Scarecrow from doing the exact same in his master plan to destroy Gotham and the Batman with his psychological mind poisons?
 
2022-10-05 12:21:35 PM  
When I take his job maybe I can raise the level of Arsenic in the water supply based on my personal beliefs.
 
2022-10-05 12:22:41 PM  
Oh wait...!

Has anybody asked "can't we just fire him?" yet?
 
2022-10-05 12:23:42 PM  
This brave public servant is just trying to preserve our purity of essence, yet he' mocked and attacked. You're probably all communist agitators.
 
2022-10-05 12:27:17 PM  

Billy Bathsalt: I have negative quantities of conspiracy in my bloodstream, but I don't particularly understand why municipal water is the best way to get fluoride into the mouths of babes


Because Americans are farking morons.  Suggest they ought to consider even basic self-protective preventative care and they will go to absurdist lengths to actively kill themselves.  Like, if you said "People should not douse themselves in kerosene and hold a lit road flare because it would result in deaths for no damned reason", a good 20% of the nation would be blazing torches before you got to the end of the sentence.  So, yes, applying fluoride to the water is the best delivery method.  Same thing with enriched flour and iodized salt - only way to prevent people from intentionally having nutritional deficiencies is to make them unavoidable.  It would be nice to have a nation not peopled by stone morons, but genocide is still seen as not kosher for some damned reason.
 
2022-10-05 12:27:31 PM  

virgo47: It appears that he had the best of intentions and was reasonable. If it isn't state law in Vermont, then he can do what he wants. In Ohio, if you feed it, it must be 0.9 1.3

Having worked in water treatment for 14 years I can vouch for the poor quality of the Chinese fluoride. Only the best from Florida will do.


As someone who has had part in construction of new, and renovations of, water treatment facil... sorry 'plants' over the past few decades:

I salute you. Way more than i can ever convey.
 
2022-10-05 12:30:25 PM  

shoegaze99: Make that case, do so openly, and provide the information to the community. Follow the data;


You realize that in America those are two diametrically-opposed statements right.  Providing unassailable data to an American community is the single easiest way to insure that that data will never be followed.  At their very, very best, Americans have the maturity and thoughtfulness of a tired toddler at naptime.
 
2022-10-05 12:31:23 PM  

Billy Bathsalt: I have negative quantities of conspiracy in my bloodstream, but I don't particularly understand why municipal water is the best way to get fluoride into the mouths of babes.  Is it one of those things where daily consumption is necessary for dental protection, or could it be conferred by a supplement or periodic treatment?  It just seems odd that we wash our clothes and shower and water lawns with fluoride.  I had a dudebro roommate who was convinced it was a government plot to turn the populace into sheep.  All I know is that, growing up outside the US, I didn't get fluoride, and my teeth were pretty cavity-prone.


Fluoride in the water is like, one of the few U.S. government conspiracies that actually a net positive, over all.

Like, I totally get all those people that are like "well if they're slipping chemicals in the water, then who's to say they're not doing other things, too?!" and it's like... Brah, you're gonna shiat bricks when you read about operation sea-spray lol
 
2022-10-05 12:31:30 PM  

Billy Bathsalt: I have negative quantities of conspiracy in my bloodstream, but I don't particularly understand why municipal water is the best way to get fluoride into the mouths of babes.  Is it one of those things where daily consumption is necessary for dental protection, or could it be conferred by a supplement or periodic treatment?  It just seems odd that we wash our clothes and shower and water lawns with fluoride.  I had a dudebro roommate who was convinced it was a government plot to turn the populace into sheep.  All I know is that, growing up outside the US, I didn't get fluoride, and my teeth were pretty cavity-prone.


The benefit is large for a very low cost. Super cheap to add fluoride at the water treatment plant, and nobody drank bottled water back then.

Could they also add, say, vitamin A or some of the B vitamins the same way? Yes, but I bet it would be a lot more costly.

They do, however, "fortify" flour with niacin and iron and other vitamins, and Iodine is added to salt. These are similar public health measures that kooks also rail against.
 
2022-10-05 12:35:35 PM  
I may get too much fluorine. I drink a shiat ton of tea and the plant tends to uptake fluorine and grows in places that often have higher soil levels.

Fluoride in the water is a public health slam dunk and edge cases like mine are irrelevant to that. It's amazing how much we resent anything for the common good because the minute *potential* for harm, real or imagined.
 
2022-10-05 12:37:24 PM  

noitsnot: I, for one, welcome the return to the Middle Ages.

I hear a fella can really make out as a court astrologer reading goat entrails.


Though you joke, there's a bit of truth in your post.

Most people alive today in the developed world were born in the time of modern medicine.  Vaccines prevent diseases that used to ravage entire communities (or the world).  Antibiotics not only prevent minor infections from getting out of hand and killing us, they make modern surgery possible.  As a result, most people have lost their fear of developing a serious health condition, to the point that not only do we willfully make choices every day that destroy our health (drinking, smoking, eating to the point of obesity, etc.) because all we need to do is run to the doctor to get a pill or a procedure to fix it, there are also huge swaths of the population that look at these modern "miracles" of science with suspicion.
 
2022-10-05 12:37:47 PM  

Qellaqan: I may get too much fluorine. I drink a shiat ton of tea and the plant tends to uptake fluorine and grows in places that often have higher soil levels.

Fluoride in the water is a public health slam dunk and edge cases like mine are irrelevant to that. It's amazing how much we resent anything for the common good because the minute *potential* for harm, real or imagined.


If it's black teas, watch out for the oxalate. Gout and kidney stones.

Green tea better.
 
2022-10-05 12:38:04 PM  

noitsnot: Billy Bathsalt: I have negative quantities of conspiracy in my bloodstream, but I don't particularly understand why municipal water is the best way to get fluoride into the mouths of babes.  Is it one of those things where daily consumption is necessary for dental protection, or could it be conferred by a supplement or periodic treatment?  It just seems odd that we wash our clothes and shower and water lawns with fluoride.  I had a dudebro roommate who was convinced it was a government plot to turn the populace into sheep.  All I know is that, growing up outside the US, I didn't get fluoride, and my teeth were pretty cavity-prone.

The benefit is large for a very low cost. Super cheap to add fluoride at the water treatment plant, and nobody drank bottled water back then.

Could they also add, say, vitamin A or some of the B vitamins the same way? Yes, but I bet it would be a lot more costly.

They do, however, "fortify" flour with niacin and iron and other vitamins, and Iodine is added to salt. These are similar public health measures that kooks also rail against.


Big Government tyranny, not allowing us to get pellagra!
 
2022-10-05 12:38:55 PM  
And the auditors will discover he's been buying less fluoride but still budgeting for the full amount

/Nice S Class you have there, Bob
 
2022-10-05 12:42:13 PM  

shoegaze99: virgo47: It appears that he had the best of intentions and was reasonable.

A single person making that decision on behalf of the entire community, and doing so with no notification or oversight or anyone else knowing he was doing it, is NOT reasonable.

They think they have a good case for making the decision, great. Make that case, do so openly, and provide the information to the community. Follow the data; it if suggests this isn't a bad idea, then by all means, I'm all for it.

But there is nothing reasonable about just arbitrarily doing it on your own, with nary a word to anyone else.


There were up to 11 chemicals added to the water at any one time and the dosage levels are set by the certified operations staff and changed up to hourly as conditions demanded. It wasn't, and isn't a democracy.

in TFA, it looked like he was in charge and at least attempted some due diligence and that in Vermont addition is not mandated by law. Whether or not you think public input is necessary is irrelevant.
 
2022-10-05 12:48:05 PM  

Billy Bathsalt: I have negative quantities of conspiracy in my bloodstream, but I don't particularly understand why municipal water is the best way to get fluoride into the mouths of babes.  Is it one of those things where daily consumption is necessary for dental protection, or could it be conferred by a supplement or periodic treatment?  It just seems odd that we wash our clothes and shower and water lawns with fluoride.  I had a dudebro roommate who was convinced it was a government plot to turn the populace into sheep. All I know is that, growing up outside the US, I didn't get fluoride, and my teeth were pretty cavity-prone.


(looks at the crime and gun ownership stats of my fellow Americans)

Some damned impressive sheep...
 
2022-10-05 12:48:14 PM  

virgo47: Having worked in water treatment for 14 years I can vouch for the poor quality of the Chinese fluoride. Only the best from Florida will do.


It can only be called Fluoride if it comes from the Florida region of the United States. Otherwise it's just sparkling chemical mind control.
 
2022-10-05 12:49:00 PM  

MattytheMouse: I'm opposed to putting fluoride in the water. Like, if the government can just decide to put chemicals in the water, then what's to stop The Scarecrow from doing the exact same in his master plan to destroy Gotham and the Batman with his psychological mind poisons?


I guess I'm not keeping up on my supervillains, because I thought Scarecrow was in the Wizard of Oz.  It's odd picturing hin battling Batman.
 
2022-10-05 12:49:27 PM  

Billy Bathsalt: I have negative quantities of conspiracy in my bloodstream, but I don't particularly understand why municipal water is the best way to get fluoride into the mouths of babes.  Is it one of those things where daily consumption is necessary for dental protection, or could it be conferred by a supplement or periodic treatment?  It just seems odd that we wash our clothes and shower and water lawns with fluoride.  I had a dudebro roommate who was convinced it was a government plot to turn the populace into sheep.  All I know is that, growing up outside the US, I didn't get fluoride, and my teeth were pretty cavity-prone.


Yes, low levels in the water supply are long proven to be the most effective way of continuous dosing.

People who use well water can feed their kids supplements.
 
2022-10-05 12:50:15 PM  

hissatsu: This brave public servant is just trying to preserve our purity of essence, yet he' mocked and attacked. You're probably all communist agitators.


You sound like some sort of deviated prevert.
 
2022-10-05 12:51:11 PM  

virgo47: It appears that he had the best of intentions and was reasonable. If it isn't state law in Vermont, then he can do what he wants. In Ohio, if you feed it, it must be 0.9 1.3


"What he wants" right up to poisoning people, presumably :)

So, did the guy in TFA have a reasonable basis?  IS there new research saying adding the stuff is useless?

Us taxpayers just wasting our money, or what?  CDC and the doc quoted in tfa seem fairly certain on the subject...
 
2022-10-05 12:51:59 PM  

Raoul Eaton: MattytheMouse: I'm opposed to putting fluoride in the water. Like, if the government can just decide to put chemicals in the water, then what's to stop The Scarecrow from doing the exact same in his master plan to destroy Gotham and the Batman with his psychological mind poisons?

I guess I'm not keeping up on my supervillains, because I thought Scarecrow was in the Wizard of Oz. It's odd picturing hin battling Batman.


He was there at the beginning.

Who do you think killed the dinosaurs?
 
2022-10-05 12:52:13 PM  

Petite Mel: virgo47: Having worked in water treatment for 14 years I can vouch for the poor quality of the Chinese fluoride. Only the best from Florida will do.

It can only be called Fluoride if it comes from the Florida region of the United States. Otherwise it's just sparkling chemical mind control.


As far as I know that is the only state that produces it. Sodium hexafluoride is a byproduct of phosphoric acid production and Florida is up to its about about 11 feet over sea-level in phosphate rock.
 
2022-10-05 12:53:41 PM  

PunGent: virgo47: It appears that he had the best of intentions and was reasonable. If it isn't state law in Vermont, then he can do what he wants. In Ohio, if you feed it, it must be 0.9 1.3

"What he wants" right up to poisoning people, presumably :)

So, did the guy in TFA have a reasonable basis?  IS there new research saying adding the stuff is useless?

Us taxpayers just wasting our money, or what?  CDC and the doc quoted in tfa seem fairly certain on the subject...


He reduced the dose. What are you on about?
 
2022-10-05 12:53:43 PM  

phalamir: shoegaze99: Make that case, do so openly, and provide the information to the community. Follow the data;

You realize that in America those are two diametrically-opposed statements right.  Providing unassailable data to an American community is the single easiest way to insure that that data will never be followed.  At their very, very best, Americans have the maturity and thoughtfulness of a tired toddler at naptime.


A tired, heavily-armed toddler  :)
 
2022-10-05 12:58:40 PM  
Fluoride does a lot more than just help prevent cavities. It also ruins thyroid function and causes cardiac diseases. Fluoride is for kids. Adults with proper dental hygiene have no need to raise their risk of a heart attack. Leave that stuff outta my water!
 
2022-10-05 1:03:54 PM  

virgo47: Petite Mel: virgo47: Having worked in water treatment for 14 years I can vouch for the poor quality of the Chinese fluoride. Only the best from Florida will do.

It can only be called Fluoride if it comes from the Florida region of the United States. Otherwise it's just sparkling chemical mind control.

As far as I know that is the only state that produces it. Sodium hexafluoride is a byproduct of phosphoric acid production and Florida is up to its about about 11 feet over sea-level in phosphate rock.


correction: sodium fluorosilicate. It's been a few years - but it does have 6 fluorides.
 
2022-10-05 1:06:36 PM  

phalamir: Billy Bathsalt: I have negative quantities of conspiracy in my bloodstream, but I don't particularly understand why municipal water is the best way to get fluoride into the mouths of babes

Because Americans are farking morons.  Suggest they ought to consider even basic self-protective preventative care and they will go to absurdist lengths to actively kill themselves.  Like, if you said "People should not douse themselves in kerosene and hold a lit road flare because it would result in deaths for no damned reason", a good 20% of the nation would be blazing torches before you got to the end of the sentence.  So, yes, applying fluoride to the water is the best delivery method.  Same thing with enriched flour and iodized salt - only way to prevent people from intentionally having nutritional deficiencies is to make them unavoidable.  It would be nice to have a nation not peopled by stone morons, but genocide is still seen as not kosher for some damned reason.


This is a reason to avoid these things.  Stop protecting people from their own stupidity.  They want crap teeth fine.  You get 1 body to maintain your entire life maybe if people learned how it worked and basic care they would be less likely to abuse it.
Where I live there is no fluoride the water.  Use floride toothpaste, mouthwash and visit your dentist 2x a year.  At these low levels fluoride is safe but why pour toxic substances into our water where a malfunction or some idiot can cause harm?
Avoid the chance all together and you can identify the idiots by their brittish teeth

Swallowing a large amount of regular toothpaste may cause stomach pain and possible intestinal blockage. These additional symptoms may occur when swallowing a large amount of toothpaste containing fluoride: Convulsions. Diarrhea
 
2022-10-05 1:07:05 PM  
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2022-10-05 1:08:13 PM  
What he imagined himself to be : A hero to the townspeople; a martyr against the secret mass poisoning.
What he actually was: A hero to the medical-dental complex.

//Hey, you can't pick and choose your illuminati-esque conspiracies.
 
2022-10-05 1:11:06 PM  

noitsnot: Billy Bathsalt: I have negative quantities of conspiracy in my bloodstream, but I don't particularly understand why municipal water is the best way to get fluoride into the mouths of babes.  Is it one of those things where daily consumption is necessary for dental protection, or could it be conferred by a supplement or periodic treatment?  It just seems odd that we wash our clothes and shower and water lawns with fluoride.  I had a dudebro roommate who was convinced it was a government plot to turn the populace into sheep.  All I know is that, growing up outside the US, I didn't get fluoride, and my teeth were pretty cavity-prone.

The benefit is large for a very low cost. Super cheap to add fluoride at the water treatment plant, and nobody drank bottled water back then.

Could they also add, say, vitamin A or some of the B vitamins the same way? Yes, but I bet it would be a lot more costly.

They do, however, "fortify" flour with niacin and iron and other vitamins, and Iodine is added to salt. These are similar public health measures that kooks also rail against.


I wonder if so much bottled water is going to show a change in cavities.  There are many people who never drink tap and most of the bottled stuff has no fluoride.
As I said earlier the water in my area has no fluoride yet people here are fine and have very nice teeth.
 
2022-10-05 1:12:06 PM  

MattytheMouse: Billy Bathsalt: I have negative quantities of conspiracy in my bloodstream, but I don't particularly understand why municipal water is the best way to get fluoride into the mouths of babes.  Is it one of those things where daily consumption is necessary for dental protection, or could it be conferred by a supplement or periodic treatment?  It just seems odd that we wash our clothes and shower and water lawns with fluoride.  I had a dudebro roommate who was convinced it was a government plot to turn the populace into sheep.  All I know is that, growing up outside the US, I didn't get fluoride, and my teeth were pretty cavity-prone.

Fluoride in the water is like, one of the few U.S. government conspiracies that actually a net positive, over all.

Like, I totally get all those people that are like "well if they're slipping chemicals in the water, then who's to say they're not doing other things, too?!" and it's like... Brah, you're gonna shiat bricks when you read about operation sea-spray lol


Look at it the other way around: if they're going to put chemicals in the water anyway, isn't it better that we know which ones and that they're reasonably benign.
 
2022-10-05 1:12:38 PM  
Gobsmacked? What is this, a British tabloid?
 
2022-10-05 1:14:30 PM  
Fluoride in the water is the dumbest nontroversy ever, seriously.
 
2022-10-05 1:21:22 PM  
FTA
"properly fluorinated since 1983."

So chemistry people, should that be "Fluoridated"?

I'm pretty sure there's a vast difference between Fluorine and Fluoride?


Iirc from HS chem, Fluorine is deadly, nasty stuff.  Just wanted to make sure they have their suffixes correct?
 
2022-10-05 1:33:58 PM  

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THE TRUTH HURTS, DOESNT IT!!!!!
Stupid sheep


Well, even though there was no communism, a free and intelligent people was transformed into a cringing horde of zombies.
 
2022-10-05 1:38:05 PM  

Billy Bathsalt: I have negative quantities of conspiracy in my bloodstream, but I don't particularly understand why municipal water is the best way to get fluoride into the mouths of babes.  Is it one of those things where daily consumption is necessary for dental protection, or could it be conferred by a supplement or periodic treatment?  It just seems odd that we wash our clothes and shower and water lawns with fluoride.  I had a dudebro roommate who was convinced it was a government plot to turn the populace into sheep.  All I know is that, growing up outside the US, I didn't get fluoride, and my teeth were pretty cavity-prone.


As mentioned in the article, the dental problems associated with fluoride would disproportionately affect poor people that could not afford whatever sort of supplement or treatments that might otherwise be used.  Fortifying the water supply with low levels is the easiest way to boost the public health.
 
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