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2022-10-05 11:07:06 AM  
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They started notifying parents, but they're still being a little bit cryptic about it.

I got this song/message on my answering machine. Guess they tossed brap jr. into the school's lunatic asylum. After some interrogation, I have determined that junior did NOT dig this crazy pad.
 
2022-10-05 3:39:24 PM  
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2022-10-05 3:41:23 PM  

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2022-10-05 3:42:11 PM  
Schools have changed so much since I went to school.
No padded rooms.
No "School Resource Officers" aka cops in schools.
No school shootings.
And you could smoke in school. (high school only)
Also kids wore t-shirts advertising beer and tobacco and some even had nudity.
No one batted an eye.
 
2022-10-05 3:42:32 PM  

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bah, spare the solitary confinement and waterboarding, spoil the child.
 
2022-10-05 3:42:49 PM  
I just had to put my head on the desk. That's how I learned to take naps at work!
 
2022-10-05 3:43:45 PM  

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What. What's the problem? You seem like those jerks at CPS that keep showing up. There is nothing wrong with a little time out in the Shame Closet. I don't even put dead animals in there any more.
 
2022-10-05 3:44:04 PM  
Problem: Kid is being disruptive.
Solution: Create a HUGE spectacle out of punishing them, having one of your aides literally shoulder the door closed while a distressed 8 year old cries, pounds on the door and wets themselves.

Anyone taking part in that behavior should be referred to CPS.
 
2022-10-05 3:45:29 PM  
Followup question:
Who is manufacturing these things?  Who is marketing them for this purpose?  And who is approving the line item?
 
2022-10-05 3:45:45 PM  
Like the kid's going to tell you him/herself?!  When I was sent to the cloakroom (we didn't have any of that fancy, padded stuff) I never mentioned it to my folks, and I doubt any of the other kids did when it happened to them!
 
2022-10-05 3:46:04 PM  
All they wanted was a Pepsi.
 
2022-10-05 3:46:17 PM  
And to close:
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2022-10-05 3:47:14 PM  
Isolation rooms are banned in several others states, but they are legal in New Jersey in extreme cases when students may hurt themselves or others.

Well maybe they could be useful in those extreme situa

However, the NJ Advance Media report found many of the students, including disabled students with limited ability to communicate, were regularly locked inside the padded "quiet rooms" for relatively minor offenses by teachers without their parents' knowledge. Some were left screaming inside the closet-sized spaces for hours without access to a bathroom or even a chair to sit in.

Never mind.
 
2022-10-05 3:47:15 PM  
As long as there's a litterbox in the room, what's the problem?
 
2022-10-05 3:49:01 PM  
Yeah, time out would be better than the "paddle with holes cut out to swing faster" the principal had when I was a kid. The rumor mill eventually added nails to that paddle. But I'd rather a time out than a beating. And I've definitely seen situations where that was a better solution, but that's because my childhood sucked and I got placed in hospitals till someone wised up and realized that I wasn't the demon they'd been told I was.
 
2022-10-05 3:50:11 PM  
Under the proposed law:

All public schools and private schools that serve students with disabilities would be required to notify parents or guardians immediately by phone, text or other electronic communication if a child is placed in a seclusion room.

Schools would be required to give families a full written report of the incident within 48 hours.

The state Department of Education would be required for the first time to collect annual data on the number of times "quiet rooms" or any type of physical restraints are used on a student with disabilities - including how long the child was put in a seclusion room or physically restrained using a hold or other technique to keep them immobile.

The state would be required to publish data about how many students are placed in seclusion rooms or restrained.
The numbers would be broken down by county and track the race, gender and age of students. The state would also be required to collect data on how often schools require students to get a psychiatric evaluation in order to return to class.


JFC, these requirements should have been there from the start.
Thanks, Christie.
 
2022-10-05 3:51:12 PM  
This is a hard one.

As a heavily bullied person I think I agree with the concept if not the thrust.

But then as a heavily bullied person I wish those people had ben killed.

Yes, killed.

Yes.
 
2022-10-05 3:51:52 PM  
It makes it easier for the mass shooters to locate them.
 
2022-10-05 3:53:20 PM  
The Brag Tags on the outside are for how many times you went in the hole.

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2022-10-05 3:55:51 PM  

BeesNuts: Problem: Kid is being disruptive.
Solution: Create a HUGE spectacle out of punishing them, having one of your aides literally shoulder the door closed while a distressed 8 year old cries, pounds on the door and wets themselves.

Anyone taking part in that behavior should be referred to CPS.


Better than some alternatives.
 
2022-10-05 4:00:07 PM  

Valter: This is a hard one.

As a heavily bullied person I think I agree with the concept if not the thrust.

But then as a heavily bullied person I wish those people had ben killed.

Yes, killed.

Yes.


Honestly... it sounds like you might not have an accurate read of your own childhood.  Did they steal and murder your dog or something?
 
2022-10-05 4:00:45 PM  

BeesNuts: Problem: Kid is being disruptive.
Solution: Create a HUGE spectacle out of punishing them, having one of your aides literally shoulder the door closed while a distressed 8 year old cries, pounds on the door and wets themselves.

Anyone taking part in that behavior should be referred to CPS.


Did you read it's for disabled kids?  While I don't disagree with you what are the schools to do?  There are kids in the schools that are non verbal and worse.  They are not there to be taught they are there because it's free.  The higher functioning kids get pushed into regular classes but many are practically catatonic or really deeply disabled.  They should not be in a public school, maybe a special school where the entire staff is made of care workers, behavior specialists and social workers.  It's WAY beyond what a special needs teacher is trained for.
Any yes I know this first hand, my elementary school hosts the special needs kids for the entire district and I have a friend who's child has fragile x.  He stayed in school until 21 then was moved into an adult home.
 
2022-10-05 4:05:10 PM  
HE WHO BREAKS THE LAW, MUST GO BACK TO THE HOUSE OF PAIN
 
2022-10-05 4:06:49 PM  

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2022-10-05 4:08:08 PM  

ctighe2353: BeesNuts: Problem: Kid is being disruptive.
Solution: Create a HUGE spectacle out of punishing them, having one of your aides literally shoulder the door closed while a distressed 8 year old cries, pounds on the door and wets themselves.

Anyone taking part in that behavior should be referred to CPS.

Did you read it's for disabled kids?  While I don't disagree with you what are the schools to do?  There are kids in the schools that are non verbal and worse.  They are not there to be taught they are there because it's free.  The higher functioning kids get pushed into regular classes but many are practically catatonic or really deeply disabled.  They should not be in a public school, maybe a special school where the entire staff is made of care workers, behavior specialists and social workers.  It's WAY beyond what a special needs teacher is trained for.
Any yes I know this first hand, my elementary school hosts the special needs kids for the entire district and I have a friend who's child has fragile x.  He stayed in school until 21 then was moved into an adult home.


You might want to read this article again and give another go at justifying child abuse as a method of control.
 
2022-10-05 4:08:41 PM  
State law here requires parental notification if there is any restraining activity at all, including "isolating in place," which for autistic kids is sometimes easier than trying to get the kid somewhere he can isolate himself.

I get one on occasion, but I know what happened because I talk to his teachers every time I pick him up.
 
2022-10-05 4:08:53 PM  

bronskrat: The Brag Tags on the outside are for how many times you went in the hole.

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2022-10-05 4:11:02 PM  
Welcome to my world
 
2022-10-05 4:19:07 PM  

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Is it bad if I want to hotbox that?
 
2022-10-05 4:48:52 PM  
Mrs.4335 is a special ed teacher working with emotional/behavioral disorders.

'why are you coming home later?'
'Had an isolation.  My room is trashed again. Have to file a report.'
 
2022-10-05 4:49:10 PM  

Mikey1969: Yeah, time out would be better than the "paddle with holes cut out to swing faster" the principal had when I was a kid. The rumor mill eventually added nails to that paddle. But I'd rather a time out than a beating. And I've definitely seen situations where that was a better solution, but that's because my childhood sucked and I got placed in hospitals till someone wised up and realized that I wasn't the demon they'd been told I was.


Oddly enough, "it's better than physically assaulting children with bludgeons" is actually a ridiculously low bar to clear. It's right up there with "Hey, those kids should have been flattered their teachers thought they were so attractive in the first place. I've never seen an uglier crop of children in my life. That's the most action they're gonna get I on their life." to excuse molestation.
 
2022-10-05 4:55:45 PM  
Go sit in the corner. Don't forget the pointy hat. Have everyone point and laugh. Nobody will want to wear the hat of shame. Those that do like the attention and become repeat offenders can be treated for that disorder.
 
2022-10-05 4:57:48 PM  
We have a kid at my school who is only about 12, but he has been violent and attacking teachers since kindergarten.  A padded room would have been perfect for him.  Funny, I can't remember any stories of him attacking students.  Just the people he knows can't hit back.
 
2022-10-05 4:58:34 PM  
My son was considered gifted. The kindergarten teacher decided to 'reward' him by setting up a big cardboard box with a chair inside that he could go to while she led the other kids. He was suppose to read inside while they learned to write letters or something.

Something like this happened almost every year he was in school until he got to high school and could take college level classes.

When we had parent conferences, my response was to say, "Challenge him, don't isolate him." It seemed like the desire of the teachers was to drag him down rather than encourage him to excel.
 
2022-10-05 5:21:05 PM  
Look teach, all I wanted to do was read some Sutter Kane peacefully in the library
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2022-10-05 5:26:01 PM  

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Nothing new. Been there, done that.

/round bout 1996
 
2022-10-05 5:27:30 PM  
Oh, and their soundproof too.
 
2022-10-05 5:31:14 PM  

Toxophil: Oh, and their soundproof too.


*they're

/Fairbanks AK if anyone was wondering.
 
2022-10-05 5:37:38 PM  

Marcos P: [Fark user image 425x329]

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No joke, if I ever wanted to give my (large, Virginian) county's public school central office legal team a collective heart attack, I'd show them this picture.
 
2022-10-05 5:39:13 PM  
Clearly the answer here is to spend more money on sportsball and administrators; that's sure to do the trick
 
2022-10-05 5:41:45 PM  

fiddlehead: Isolation rooms are banned in several others states, but they are legal in New Jersey in extreme cases when students may hurt themselves or others.

Well maybe they could be useful in those extreme situa

However, the NJ Advance Media report found many of the students, including disabled students with limited ability to communicate, were regularly locked inside the padded "quiet rooms" for relatively minor offenses by teachers without their parents' knowledge. Some were left screaming inside the closet-sized spaces for hours without access to a bathroom or even a chair to sit in.

Never mind.


Yeah, my school has one of these and I get regular (at least once a month) reports that my non-verbal kid was in it. Given the predicating event is him trying to relive a pound of flesh from someone with his teeth, I'm pretty sure there are no good answers here.

/the answer is he shouldn't be in a regular elementary school
//the specialty schools have them too
///the teachers pretty much gave up using them for my kid because he comes out even more violent.
 
2022-10-05 5:44:09 PM  

darkmythology: Mikey1969: Yeah, time out would be better than the "paddle with holes cut out to swing faster" the principal had when I was a kid. The rumor mill eventually added nails to that paddle. But I'd rather a time out than a beating. And I've definitely seen situations where that was a better solution, but that's because my childhood sucked and I got placed in hospitals till someone wised up and realized that I wasn't the demon they'd been told I was.

Oddly enough, "it's better than physically assaulting children with bludgeons" is actually a ridiculously low bar to clear. It's right up there with "Hey, those kids should have been flattered their teachers thought they were so attractive in the first place. I've never seen an uglier crop of children in my life. That's the most action they're gonna get I on their life." to excuse molestation.


Look. It's simple. Until you've been in a situation where someone is freaking out and being dangerous to themselves and others, you can just go ahead and accept that you don't know what the fark you're talking about.
 
2022-10-05 5:49:40 PM  

Mikey1969: darkmythology: Mikey1969: Yeah, time out would be better than the "paddle with holes cut out to swing faster" the principal had when I was a kid. The rumor mill eventually added nails to that paddle. But I'd rather a time out than a beating. And I've definitely seen situations where that was a better solution, but that's because my childhood sucked and I got placed in hospitals till someone wised up and realized that I wasn't the demon they'd been told I was.

Oddly enough, "it's better than physically assaulting children with bludgeons" is actually a ridiculously low bar to clear. It's right up there with "Hey, those kids should have been flattered their teachers thought they were so attractive in the first place. I've never seen an uglier crop of children in my life. That's the most action they're gonna get I on their life." to excuse molestation.

Look. It's simple. Until you've been in a situation where someone is freaking out and being dangerous to themselves and others, you can just go ahead and accept that you don't know what the fark you're talking about.


Yeah. I've actually sat and thought about how much harm I'm ok doing to kiddo in self defense. And at the end of the day the answer is I'm gonna pin him however I can - even if the pin is one not allowed by school staff - or push him back (also not allowed) which might hurt him.

I have scars up and down my arms from the kiddo, and he's sent me to the ER. I've had enough bites that break skin that I just flush iat with water for 10 min while he rages outside the bathroom and check in the morning for signs of infection (no one needs or wants to take the level of antibiotics the standards of care call for.)

The whole situation sucks.

Also, Jersey should have better standards, rules, and procedures.
 
2022-10-05 5:54:29 PM  

fiddlehead: Isolation rooms are banned in several others states, but they are legal in New Jersey in extreme cases when students may hurt themselves or others.

Well maybe they could be useful in those extreme situa

However, the NJ Advance Media report found many of the students, including disabled students with limited ability to communicate, were regularly locked inside the padded "quiet rooms" for relatively minor offenses by teachers without their parents' knowledge. Some were left screaming inside the closet-sized spaces for hours without access to a bathroom or even a chair to sit in.

Never mind.


Yeah my brother had these at his school but he was in an autistic program. A lot of the time the kids wanted to go there just for the quiet.

/They farked up one time and put him in there when really aggravated without a monitor and he tied his sweater around his neck. Thankfully they caught him before it was too late.
 
2022-10-05 5:55:37 PM  

Taketombo: Mikey1969: darkmythology: Mikey1969: Yeah, time out would be better than the "paddle with holes cut out to swing faster" the principal had when I was a kid. The rumor mill eventually added nails to that paddle. But I'd rather a time out than a beating. And I've definitely seen situations where that was a better solution, but that's because my childhood sucked and I got placed in hospitals till someone wised up and realized that I wasn't the demon they'd been told I was.

Oddly enough, "it's better than physically assaulting children with bludgeons" is actually a ridiculously low bar to clear. It's right up there with "Hey, those kids should have been flattered their teachers thought they were so attractive in the first place. I've never seen an uglier crop of children in my life. That's the most action they're gonna get I on their life." to excuse molestation.

Look. It's simple. Until you've been in a situation where someone is freaking out and being dangerous to themselves and others, you can just go ahead and accept that you don't know what the fark you're talking about.

Yeah. I've actually sat and thought about how much harm I'm ok doing to kiddo in self defense. And at the end of the day the answer is I'm gonna pin him however I can - even if the pin is one not allowed by school staff - or push him back (also not allowed) which might hurt him.

I have scars up and down my arms from the kiddo, and he's sent me to the ER. I've had enough bites that break skin that I just flush iat with water for 10 min while he rages outside the bathroom and check in the morning for signs of infection (no one needs or wants to take the level of antibiotics the standards of care call for.)

The whole situation sucks.

Also, Jersey should have better standards, rules, and procedures.


You honestly need to look into getting him into an insisutiton. He's only going to get worse as he gets bigger.
 
2022-10-05 6:01:14 PM  
Head down
Do the work
Don't say nothin'
Go home
 
2022-10-05 6:03:35 PM  

Taketombo: fiddlehead: Isolation rooms are banned in several others states, but they are legal in New Jersey in extreme cases when students may hurt themselves or others.

Well maybe they could be useful in those extreme situa

However, the NJ Advance Media report found many of the students, including disabled students with limited ability to communicate, were regularly locked inside the padded "quiet rooms" for relatively minor offenses by teachers without their parents' knowledge. Some were left screaming inside the closet-sized spaces for hours without access to a bathroom or even a chair to sit in.

Never mind.

Yeah, my school has one of these and I get regular (at least once a month) reports that my non-verbal kid was in it. Given the predicating event is him trying to relive a pound of flesh from someone with his teeth, I'm pretty sure there are no good answers here.

/the answer is he shouldn't be in a regular elementary school
//the specialty schools have them too
///the teachers pretty much gave up using them for my kid because he comes out even more violent.


I've heard some people suggest the possibility of specialized boarding schools for special needs kids. A lot of smaller school districts particularly do not have the resources to be able to assist kids with significant needs. Even the larger ones don't sometimes, and kids can easily fall through the cracks, sometimes with astoundingly terrible results.

A public boarding school system would have the advantage of focusing more kids in an area where they could be served by a larger team of experts. They could be in a consistently supportive environment and wouldn't be subject to the issues of truancy and distractions that might inhibit their progress.

Of course, the downside would be taking them out of familiar settings and the fact that the US will probably never get its act together enough to fund and implement such a concept.
 
2022-10-05 6:17:02 PM  

Walker: Schools have changed so much since I went to school.
No padded rooms.
No "School Resource Officers" aka cops in schools.
No school shootings.
And you could smoke in school. (high school only)
Also kids wore t-shirts advertising beer and tobacco and some even had nudity.
No one batted an eye.


And then you became a parent. Unrelated.
 
2022-10-05 6:38:28 PM  
If it got me out of PE , I'm game
 
2022-10-05 7:19:12 PM  
When I was in high school I did some tests in a room that had old, shag carpet on the walls.  It was a concrete room and that was a cheap way of dampening sounds.

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