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(CNBC)   Day 224 of WW3: Rapid, important gains in Ukraine's counteroffensive in the south, with advances in Kherson region. Dozens of settlements liberated this week across four regions Russia "annexed" last week. It's your Wednesday Ukraine war discussion   (cnbc.com) divider line
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2022-10-05 5:15:47 AM  
"Dozens of settlements..." Anyone know why these are called "settlements" rather than "towns" or "villages"? "Settlements" is off-putting, somehow, with a connotation (to me) of "temporary" or "recent." Subtle pro-Orc propaganda at CNBC? But I've seen this elsewhere, as well. Anyone? Bueller? Sergei?

Anyway, to the killing stats:

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2022-10-05 5:20:43 AM  

Harlee: "Dozens of settlements..." Anyone know why these are called "settlements" rather than "towns" or "villages"? "Settlements" is off-putting, somehow, with a connotation (to me) of "temporary" or "recent." Subtle pro-Orc propaganda at CNBC? But I've seen this elsewhere, as well. Anyone? Bueller? Sergei?

Anyway, to the killing stats:

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As regards my "settlements" beef, for comparison, imagine the villages, towns, and cities of California's central valley, or the mid-US great plains, referred to by news media as "settlements." Sounds... weird, right? Then why for Ukraine?
 
2022-10-05 5:23:31 AM  
The troop number stats seems to be declining over the past few days.

I'm going to assume that's because the russians are running like hell instead of staying and fighting.
 
2022-10-05 5:40:32 AM  

bloobeary: The troop number stats seems to be declining over the past few days.

I'm going to assume that's because the russians are running like hell instead of staying and fighting.


Or the prior day numbers were inflated for whatever reason and this is a correction. Somewhere in the bowels of the UKR military bureaucracy, some OCD nerd with glasses, or a team of OCD nerds with glasses, is/are poring over daily damage reports from hundreds of field units. These are often reporting the same damage, partial, hugely inflated or deflated, etc. The nerds are trying to balance Accuracy with the daily shifting needs of military security for ongoing operations, propaganda needs, and so forth.

All of these numbers have to be taken with a huge grain of salt. At best they are shaky estimations drawn from a whirlpool of chaos. (Likely.) At worst they are total fabrications. (Unlikely.) I try to look at the general trends and relations between the various damage stats. Anything beyond that is wishful thinking.
 
2022-10-05 5:56:49 AM  

bloobeary: The troop number stats seems to be declining over the past few days.

I'm going to assume that's because the russians are running like hell instead of staying and fighting.


or because theyre not including prisoners in the kill count.
 
2022-10-05 6:05:42 AM  
Good morning everyone!

Guess who (provided everything looks good then) gets to go home tomorrow, hug his kids, pet his cats, drink some beers and screw his wife? go on, guess!

But seriously for a moment, everyone needs to kick off their day reading the following threads about Kherson.

Basically, everything we predicted, right here on this website months ago when the bridges started feeling HIMARS oclock, is happening.

Hot damn, ladies and gents, we freaki CALLED THIS.

"How dumb can Putin be to reinforce the west bank at Kherson with even more men when their logistics are so borked?" Well looky here y'all, that's what's unfolding.

Regarde! Et regarde encore! <waves hands all hitlery>

(both pop like i did with your collective moms last night)

The second link i think is very very good. its not clear if thats really whats going on but it seems very likely and definitely something to watch out for over the course of the next day or so.

Keep Calm, and Slava Ukraina
 
2022-10-05 6:12:44 AM  

Father_Jack: Good morning everyone!

Guess who (provided everything looks good then) gets to go home tomorrow, hug his kids, pet his cats, drink some beers and screw his wife? go on, guess!

But seriously for a moment, everyone needs to kick off their day reading the following threads about Kherson.

Basically, everything we predicted, right here on this website months ago when the bridges started feeling HIMARS oclock, is happening.

Hot damn, ladies and gents, we freaki CALLED THIS.

"How dumb can Putin be to reinforce the west bank at Kherson with even more men when their logistics are so borked?" Well looky here y'all, that's what's unfolding.

Regarde! Et regarde encore! <waves hands all hitlery>

(both pop like i did with your collective moms last night)

The second link i think is very very good. its not clear if thats really whats going on but it seems very likely and definitely something to watch out for over the course of the next day or so.

Keep Calm, and Slava Ukraina


Your second link is age-restricted, and Twitter is insisting that I log in. Since I refuse to have a twitter account, that's right out.
 
2022-10-05 6:15:32 AM  

Harlee: Your second link is age-restricted, and Twitter is insisting that I log in. Since I refuse to have a twitter account, that's right out.


In the url, where it says "twitter.com" - change that part to "nitter.net" - unblocked.
 
2022-10-05 6:21:42 AM  
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And I heard that the orcs are gassing people and collecting gold teeth?  JFC
 
2022-10-05 6:48:11 AM  

Harlee: Harlee: "Dozens of settlements..." Anyone know why these are called "settlements" rather than "towns" or "villages"? "Settlements" is off-putting, somehow, with a connotation (to me) of "temporary" or "recent." Subtle pro-Orc propaganda at CNBC? But I've seen this elsewhere, as well. Anyone? Bueller? Sergei?

Anyway, to the killing stats:

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As regards my "settlements" beef, for comparison, imagine the villages, towns, and cities of California's central valley, or the mid-US great plains, referred to by news media as "settlements." Sounds... weird, right? Then why for Ukraine?


because "populated areas" is too long?
 
2022-10-05 6:49:02 AM  

bloobeary: Harlee: Your second link is age-restricted, and Twitter is insisting that I log in. Since I refuse to have a twitter account, that's right out.

In the url, where it says "twitter.com" - change that part to "nitter.net" - unblocked.


Thanks
 
2022-10-05 7:00:22 AM  

Harlee: Your second link is age-restricted, and Twitter is insisting that I log in. Since I refuse to have a twitter account, that's right out.


i resisted twitter until this war, now i have it ONLY to read analyst stuff and booms. its 100% war related.
 
2022-10-05 7:02:18 AM  

Harlee: Harlee: "Dozens of settlements..." Anyone know why these are called "settlements" rather than "towns" or "villages"? "Settlements" is off-putting, somehow, with a connotation (to me) of "temporary" or "recent." Subtle pro-Orc propaganda at CNBC? But I've seen this elsewhere, as well. Anyone? Bueller? Sergei?

Anyway, to the killing stats:

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As regards my "settlements" beef, for comparison, imagine the villages, towns, and cities of California's central valley, or the mid-US great plains, referred to by news media as "settlements." Sounds... weird, right? Then why for Ukraine?


Foreign terms and translations, how do they work? I'd better ask at my California oblast.
 
2022-10-05 7:19:27 AM  
At night, the enemy hit Bila Tserkva twice with kamikaze drones

Oleksiy Kuleba, the head of Kyiv OVA, announced this. The mayor of Bila Tserkva also confirmed the information.

"We have information about several explosions in Bila Tserkva. According to preliminary data, the city was attacked by kamikaze drones. Because of this, there are fires at infrastructure facilities. There is one victim."

Within an hour, he announced repeated strikes on the city's infrastructure facilities and called on the city's residents not to leave the shelter.

All emergency services are working on the spot, information about victims and destruction is being clarified.
 
2022-10-05 7:20:29 AM  
Russians shelled Dnipropetrovsk region with "Hrads" and heavy artillery

Three communities of the Nikopol district were affected. Previously, without human casualties and injuries.

In the Chervonogrihorivska community, two houses were destroyed, up to 20 were mutilated, two lyceums, a church, a shop, a gas pipeline and power lines were destroyed.

Recreation centers were shelled in Nikopol.

Source: head of Dnipropetrovsk OVA Valentin Reznichenko.
 
2022-10-05 7:21:08 AM  
The Air Force of the Ukrainian Armed Forces shot down six kamikaze drones in the south

On the night of October 5, Russian occupation forces attacked Ukraine with "Shahed-136" kamikaze drones.

Six kamikaze drones were destroyed by anti-aircraft missile units in the south of the country, the Air Force Command reports.
 
2022-10-05 7:21:38 AM  

fasahd: Harlee: Harlee: "Dozens of settlements..." Anyone know why these are called "settlements" rather than "towns" or "villages"? "Settlements" is off-putting, somehow, with a connotation (to me) of "temporary" or "recent." Subtle pro-Orc propaganda at CNBC? But I've seen this elsewhere, as well. Anyone? Bueller? Sergei?

Anyway, to the killing stats:

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As regards my "settlements" beef, for comparison, imagine the villages, towns, and cities of California's central valley, or the mid-US great plains, referred to by news media as "settlements." Sounds... weird, right? Then why for Ukraine?

Foreign terms and translations, how do they work? I'd better ask at my California oblast.


So... it's like another unsettling term, "liquidation"?
 
2022-10-05 7:22:23 AM  
The Embassy of Japan resumes work in Kyiv

The diplomatic mission will open on Wednesday, October 5, Koydo writes.

Since March, the embassy was transferred to Lviv, and later completely outside the borders of Ukraine.
 
2022-10-05 7:23:53 AM  
Iran again denied the supply of drones to Russia

This was stated by the spokesman of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Iran, Nasser Kanaani, - reports Xinhua.

He emphasizes that the country firmly takes a position of neutrality and non-interference.

We will remind you that tonight the Russians bombarded the city of Bila Tserkva with kamikaze drones, hitting an infrastructure object.
 
2022-10-05 7:39:38 AM  
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T-Bag those orcs

/hehe
//hehehe
 
2022-10-05 7:44:43 AM  
-occupation of Luhansk region has begun, - Gaidai

The head of the Luhansk Regional Army, Serhiy Gaidai, said in his telegram channel that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have already liberated several settlements of the Luhansk region of Ukraine from the invaders and continue to de-occupy the region.

Okay, so here it is in Ukrainian. Maybe someone can explain the translation to 'settlement'. Is there a better synonym?

Розпочалася деокупація Луганщини, - Гайдай

Голова Луганської ОВА Сергій Гайдай у себе в телеграм каналі повідомив, що ЗСУ вже звільнили від загарбників кілька населених пунктів Луганської області України і продовжують деокупацію області.
 
2022-10-05 7:45:01 AM  

Father_Jack: Good morning everyone!

Guess who (provided everything looks good then) gets to go home tomorrow, hug his kids, pet his cats, drink some beers and screw his wife? go on, guess!

But seriously for a moment, everyone needs to kick off their day reading the following threads about Kherson.

Basically, everything we predicted, right here on this website months ago when the bridges started feeling HIMARS oclock, is happening.

Hot damn, ladies and gents, we freaki CALLED THIS.

"How dumb can Putin be to reinforce the west bank at Kherson with even more men when their logistics are so borked?" Well looky here y'all, that's what's unfolding.

Regarde! Et regarde encore! <waves hands all hitlery>

(both pop like i did with your collective moms last night)

The second link i think is very very good. its not clear if thats really whats going on but it seems very likely and definitely something to watch out for over the course of the next day or so.

Keep Calm, and Slava Ukraina


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2022-10-05 7:53:51 AM  
In the temporarily occupied Crimea, an underground movement has appeared that will destroy the Russian army

" In the occupied Crimea, Crimean Tatars and pro-Ukrainian Russians are attracted to the underground movement of Ukrainians "Atesh". They will destroy the invader's army from within , "the human rights organization KrimSOS reported. The organization noted that in this way the Russian army has its own "Trojan Horse".
 
2022-10-05 7:53:55 AM  

Harlee: Harlee: "Dozens of settlements..." Anyone know why these are called "settlements" rather than "towns" or "villages"? "Settlements" is off-putting, somehow, with a connotation (to me) of "temporary" or "recent." Subtle pro-Orc propaganda at CNBC? But I've seen this elsewhere, as well. Anyone? Bueller? Sergei?

Anyway, to the killing stats:

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As regards my "settlements" beef, for comparison, imagine the villages, towns, and cities of California's central valley, or the mid-US great plains, referred to by news media as "settlements." Sounds... weird, right? Then why for Ukraine?


Maybe Ukraine is kicking so much arse they've opened up a new front and started liberating the West Bank?
 
2022-10-05 7:54:47 AM  
Duda said that Poland and the United States are negotiating on the joint use of nuclear weapons.

From the point of view of Poland's security, the problem is that Warsaw does not have nuclear weapons and, obviously, will not have them in the near future, President Andrzej Duda said in an interview with the Polish newspaper Gazeta Polska Codziennie.

" There is always a potential opportunity to take part in the Nuclear Sharing program. We have spoken with American leaders about whether the United States is considering such a possibility. The topic is open , " he stressed.
 
2022-10-05 7:55:00 AM  

fasahd: -occupation of Luhansk region has begun, - Gaidai

The head of the Luhansk Regional Army, Serhiy Gaidai, said in his telegram channel that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have already liberated several settlements of the Luhansk region of Ukraine from the invaders and continue to de-occupy the region.

Okay, so here it is in Ukrainian. Maybe someone can explain the translation to 'settlement'. Is there a better synonym?

Розпочалася деокупація Луганщини, - Гайдай

Голова Луганської ОВА Сергій Гайдай у себе в телеграм каналі повідомив, що ЗСУ вже звільнили від загарбників кілька населених пунктів Луганської області України і продовжують деокупацію області.


Going strictly by what I've seen from official Ukrainian sources in English, like the Defense of Ukraine Twitter account, this looks like one of those situations that reminds us that translation is more of an art than a science.  My impression is that they started out using "settlements" but have switched to more commonly using terms that are less of a direct translation and would more commonly be used in the West like "towns and villages."  It's one of those things where whoever does the translation has to decide where on the spectrum of "these are the exact words the speaker said" to "conveying the spirit/these are the words the speaker probably would have used in the country the statement is being translated for" they should land.
 
2022-10-05 7:56:00 AM  
Official: EU approves eighth sanctions package against Russia

" I welcome today's agreement of the Member States on the eighth package of sanctions. We moved quickly and decisively. We will never accept Putin's fictitious referendums or any annexation of Ukraine. We are determined to continue making the Kremlin pay , " said Ursula von der Leyen, President of the European Commission.
 
2022-10-05 7:56:09 AM  

fasahd: -occupation of Luhansk region has begun, - Gaidai

The head of the Luhansk Regional Army, Serhiy Gaidai, said in his telegram channel that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have already liberated several settlements of the Luhansk region of Ukraine from the invaders and continue to de-occupy the region.

Okay, so here it is in Ukrainian. Maybe someone can explain the translation to 'settlement'. Is there a better synonym?

Розпочалася деокупація Луганщини, - Гайдай

Голова Луганської ОВА Сергій Гайдай у себе в телеграм каналі повідомив, що ЗСУ вже звільнили від загарбників кілька населених пунктів Луганської області України і продовжують деокупацію області.


населених пунктів  = "inhabited areas" which is being translated as settlements

населені пункти is what I get out of google translate for "populated areas"

населених пунктів is what I get translating "population centers"
 
2022-10-05 7:59:15 AM  
Ukrainian Armed Forces shot down an enemy drone over the sea near Ochakov

" On October 05, at about 11: 30 o'clock, an operational-tactical level drone, probably Orlan-10, was shot down over the sea near Ochakov while attempting to conduct aerial reconnaissance by the air defense forces and means of the Yug air command, "the Yug Air Command reports.
 
2022-10-05 7:59:30 AM  

fasahd: Duda said that Poland and the United States are negotiating on the joint use of nuclear weapons.

From the point of view of Poland's security, the problem is that Warsaw does not have nuclear weapons and, obviously, will not have them in the near future, President Andrzej Duda said in an interview with the Polish newspaper Gazeta Polska Codziennie.

" There is always a potential opportunity to take part in the Nuclear Sharing program. We have spoken with American leaders about whether the United States is considering such a possibility. The topic is open , " he stressed.


The Economist's defense editor thinks that was probably just Poland asking about it rather than a true negotiation:

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2022-10-05 8:01:48 AM  

Harlee: "Dozens of settlements..." Anyone know why these are called "settlements" rather than "towns" or "villages"? "Settlements" is off-putting, somehow, with a connotation (to me) of "temporary" or "recent." Subtle pro-Orc propaganda at CNBC? But I've seen this elsewhere, as well. Anyone? Bueller? Sergei?

Anyway, to the killing stats:

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Some of the named locations are barely more than a handful of farmhouses surrounded by fields. It's probably a translation of the regional naming convention for the smallest distinct inhabited place, similar to how the USA calls certain locations a "census designated place" just to categorize them as separate from another city, town or village.
 
2022-10-05 8:07:11 AM  
I will not be hiring Russia to handle my next annexation.  They're really doing a poor job on this one.
 
2022-10-05 8:09:40 AM  
Fresh thread from Gen. Mick Ryan:

Thread Reader link -
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https://nitter.net/WarintheFuture/status/1577528519671701504#m
 
2022-10-05 8:10:12 AM  
Its Wednesday.

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2022-10-05 8:14:35 AM  

Harlee: Harlee: "Dozens of settlements..." Anyone know why these are called "settlements" rather than "towns" or "villages"? "Settlements" is off-putting, somehow, with a connotation (to me) of "temporary" or "recent." Subtle pro-Orc propaganda at CNBC? But I've seen this elsewhere, as well. Anyone? Bueller? Sergei?

Anyway, to the killing stats:

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As regards my "settlements" beef, for comparison, imagine the villages, towns, and cities of California's central valley, or the mid-US great plains, referred to by news media as "settlements." Sounds... weird, right? Then why for Ukraine?

I think they are referring to Russian occupied territories as "settlements" to drive home the temporary and illegal nature of this condition of "being absolutely lousy with Russians.""Buncha Russian "settlers" have "settled" in our land.  Let us politely inform them that somebody already lives here."
 
2022-10-05 8:14:38 AM  

Harlee: Harlee: "Dozens of settlements..." Anyone know why these are called "settlements" rather than "towns" or "villages"? "Settlements" is off-putting, somehow, with a connotation (to me) of "temporary" or "recent." Subtle pro-Orc propaganda at CNBC? But I've seen this elsewhere, as well. Anyone? Bueller? Sergei?

Anyway, to the killing stats:

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As regards my "settlements" beef, for comparison, imagine the villages, towns, and cities of California's central valley, or the mid-US great plains, referred to by news media as "settlements." Sounds... weird, right? Then why for Ukraine?


I'm guessing because they were planned by the central government rather than a natural occurrence of families moving close to a water source and plowable fields.
 
2022-10-05 8:15:36 AM  

Harlee: fasahd: Harlee: Harlee: "Dozens of settlements..." Anyone know why these are called "settlements" rather than "towns" or "villages"? "Settlements" is off-putting, somehow, with a connotation (to me) of "temporary" or "recent." Subtle pro-Orc propaganda at CNBC? But I've seen this elsewhere, as well. Anyone? Bueller? Sergei?

Anyway, to the killing stats:

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As regards my "settlements" beef, for comparison, imagine the villages, towns, and cities of California's central valley, or the mid-US great plains, referred to by news media as "settlements." Sounds... weird, right? Then why for Ukraine?

Foreign terms and translations, how do they work? I'd better ask at my California oblast.

So... it's like another unsettling term, "liquidation"?


Is bad translation. Means, how you Americans say, extermination. Like vermin. That better, yes?
 
2022-10-05 8:17:20 AM  
For those of you new to the Ukrainian War threads or who are only able to check them occasionally, here's my post summarizing the WW3 threads for September 24 to September 30. Russia ramped up their side of the war with a partial mobilization of 300,000 men but it didn't stop Lyman from being retaken by Ukraine

Oneiros should be around to post the most up-to-date list of aid links, but here's the most recent list which should be mostly fresh until he is. Older summaries along with an archive of threads can be found here in a spreadsheet being maintained by notmyjab if you need to catch up on that. Specific posts are under the "articles" tab. And if you need a good laugh, check out danceswithcrow's meme emporium.

As always, let me know if there's anything more to include that I missed and help me keep an eye out over the upcoming week for key events.
 
2022-10-05 8:17:34 AM  

Harlee: "Dozens of settlements..." Anyone know why these are called "settlements" rather than "towns" or "villages"?


I've never lived anywhere where places were referred to as villages.  It's always been towns in my experience.  I think of villages as where the Smurfs live.
 
2022-10-05 8:19:09 AM  

Father_Jack: Good morning everyone!

Guess who (provided everything looks good then) gets to go home tomorrow, hug his kids, pet his cats, drink some beers and screw his wife? go on, guess!


Caddyshack - Well? We're Waiting
Youtube Z0YIJQ1jgEI
 
2022-10-05 8:19:25 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Harlee: "Dozens of settlements..." Anyone know why these are called "settlements" rather than "towns" or "villages"?

I've never lived anywhere where places were referred to as villages.  It's always been towns in my experience.  I think of villages as where the Smurfs live.


Or the Village People
 
2022-10-05 8:20:07 AM  
The Latvian Defense Ministry said that Russia's nuclear blackmail will not reduce support for Ukraine.

Russia's military failures in its unjustified war in Ukraine continue, so the rhetoric of nuclear blackmail is becoming more prominent in the public sphere. It is possible that the exercises of the Russian strategic nuclear forces "Grom", which traditionally took place in October, will take place. So the Russian Federation is trying to cope with its military failures and influence the situation on the Ukrainian fronts, Delfi reports with reference to the statement of the Latvian Defense Ministry.

" The NATO Alliance takes Russia's nuclear threats seriously and is closely monitoring developments. At the same time, as NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg and the leaders of NATO member states have repeatedly noted, this irresponsible rhetoric of Russia will not in any way reduce the support of Western countries for Ukraine in the struggle for its sovereignty and territorial integrity ," said Latvian Defense Minister Artis Pabriks.
 
2022-10-05 8:20:08 AM  
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1577619795759054849?s=20&t=qwxWbdif5-1KRF7fFJ2igQ


This was the kind of shiat I was talking about WRT people cheering on the onslaught of winter
 
2022-10-05 8:20:13 AM  

PiperArrow: Father_Jack: Good morning everyone!

Guess who (provided everything looks good then) gets to go home tomorrow, hug his kids, pet his cats, drink some beers and screw his wife? go on, guess!

[YouTube video: Caddyshack - Well? We're Waiting]


I can't wait to go home and screw F_J's wife
 
2022-10-05 8:22:31 AM  
Wow, I'm actually up and coherent early enough to post this for the first time in a couple of weeks. Thank god it's a short update. Turns out trying to take a cow shed in the outskirts of Bakhmut for months isn't a winning strategy.

ISW's Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, October 4

Authors:Kateryna Stepanenko, Karolina Hird, Katherine Lawlor, Riley Bailey, Grace Mappes, and Frederick W. Kagan

Key Takeaways:

-Ukrainian forces continued to make significant gains in Kherson Oblast while simultaneously continuing advances in Kharkiv and Luhansk Oblast.

-Russian President Vladimir Putin's announcement of partial mobilization is having more significant short-term impacts on the Russian domestic context than on the war in Ukraine, catalyzing fractures in the information space that confuse and undermine Putin's narratives.

-Ukrainian forces continued to make substantial gains in northern Kherson Oblast on October 4, beginning to collapse the sparsely-manned Russian lines in that area.

-Ukrainian forces continued to make gains in eastern Kharkiv Oblast west of Svatove on October 4, pushing past the Oskil River and increasingly threatening Russian positions in Luhansk Oblast.

-Russian forces continued to conduct artillery, air, and missile strikes west of Hulyiapole and in Dnipropetrovsk and Mykolaiv Oblasts on October 4.

-Russian forces continued ground attacks in Donetsk Oblast on October 4.

-The Kremlin effectively ordered local Russian administrations and non-Ministry of Defense institutions to fund a significant part of the mobilization effort from local budgets.

-Russian security officials are attempting to maintain their domestic security apparatus as Putin's partial mobilization drains the Russian security sector to generate additional forces to fight in Ukraine.

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Main Effort - Eastern Ukraine

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Russian forces continued ground attacks in Donetsk Oblast on October 4. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces repelled Russian ground attacks southeast of Siversk near Vyimka and Spirne; on and south of Bakhmut near Mayorsk, Ozeryanivka, Zaitseve, and Bakhmutske; north and west of Avdiivka near Vesele, Kamianka, and Pervomaiske; and near Novomykhailivka in western Donetsk Oblast.[35] Russian sources claimed that Russian forces and Wagner Group fighters fought in eastern Bakhmut and south of Bakhmut in Vesela Dolyna and Zaitseve.[36] A Russian source claimed that Wagner Group fighters are reinforcing positions in the Bakhmut area.[37] Russian sources claimed that Russian forces are fighting in the Avdiivka area near Pervomaiske and Nevelske to expand Russian control over the Donetsk City Airport.[38] Russian sources expressed continued concern that Ukrainian forces may launch a counterattack on the eastern Donetsk Oblast and western Zaporizhia Oblast front line in the coming days.[39] Footage posted on October 4 reportedly shows Russian drones and artillery striking a Ukrainian equipment column in the Vuhledar, western Donetsk Oblast area on an unspecified date.[40]
 
2022-10-05 8:25:54 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Harlee: "Dozens of settlements..." Anyone know why these are called "settlements" rather than "towns" or "villages"?

I've never lived anywhere where places were referred to as villages.  It's always been towns in my experience.  I think of villages as where the Smurfs live.


Actchewalyy, It's where my dis-owned sister and other MAGAts live.

The Villages is a census-designated place (CDP) in Sumter County, Florida, United States. It shares its name with a broader master-planned age-restricted community that spreads into portions of Lake and Marion counties. The overall development lies in central Florida, approximately 20 miles (32 km) south of Ocala and approximately 45 miles (72 km) northwest of Orlando.
Between 2010 and 2020, The Villages was the fastest growing metropolitan area in the United States, growing 39 percent, from about 93,000 in 2010 to about 130,000 in 2020. The Villages covers an area of approximately 32 square miles, an area larger than Manhattan, and is expanding mostly to the south of the current community.
 
2022-10-05 8:26:22 AM  
Ukraine aid links

A month and a half into the war (day 44), many of us felt helpless and listless at not being able to do more to help, so here is a list of things that we can do.

There are plenty of charities that could use your help, but even if you don't have spare cash lying about, there are still things you can do, so keep reading


You can donate directly to Ukraine if you want to help them make more videos of tanks blowing up. (See 'military aid' below)

There are lots of humanitarian groups working to feed the displaced people and even their pets.  (See 'humanitarian aid')

And even if you're not in a position to give cash, you might be able to find a group that needs some volunteer help or attend a protest.  If you don't have a group in your area specifically helping Ukraine, you can likely still find other worthwhile causes.  And there are groups that have tasks that can be done online or over the phone without even leaving your home. (See 'other notes'). Even just calling politicians to remind them that we need to support Ukrainians.

You can call out dumbasses online who are spreading russian propaganda and otherwise spewing toxic crap.  (Or join groups like NAFO) And by ignoring or blocking the assholes on here who try that shiat. (Make sure to watch for other threads, not just the daily one)

And you can even support capitalism, and buy stuff made in Ukraine or are fundraisers for the war effort.  (See 'buying stuff')

This is in no way a comprehensive list.  This is just groups that Farkers have mentioned in past threads.  If you want a more comprehensive list, see https://supportukrainenow.org . They also have links to specific groups by country that you're coming from for protests, taking in refugees, etc.  You might also find interesting charities at https://standwithukraine.today/ukrainian-charities/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tgc00n/want_to_support_ukraine_heres_a_list_of_charities/

I make no claims about any of these groups.  I've trimmed a few that people have said might be suspect, but I have no personal knowledge of any of them.  If you feel the need to vet them before donating, see GuideStar or Charity Navigator.

If you're currently employed by a large-ish company, they may have a donation matching program.  You can check https://doublethedonation.com/ but it's also worth contacting your HR to ask even if they're not listed there.

If you've gained profits from stocks, consider donating the stocks directly, so they get the full value and you don't need to hold some back to pay capital gain taxes.

...

Military aid (or mixed with a military component):

United24, the central Ukrainian website for donations for defense, de-mining, medical aid, and rebuilding:  https://u24.gov.ua

Come Back Alive:  https://www.comebackalive.in.ua

Prytula Foundation (includes lists of needed supplies):  https://prytulafoundation.org/en

Unite with Ukraine: https://www.unitewithukraine.com

Army SOS: https://armysos.com.ua

Volunteers for Ukraine (for Americans who specifically want a 501(c)3 for their military aid):   https://volunteerforukraine.org/donate/


Humanitarian aid:

Help Ukrainians with disabilities: https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-disabled-ukrainians

Ukraine Children's Action Project: https://www.eifoundation.org/partners/ukraine-childrens-action-project/

Direct Relief: https://www.directrelief.org/emergency/ukraine-crisis/

Voices of Children:  https://voices.org.ua/en/

World Central Kitchen:  https://donate.wck.org/give/393234/#!/donation/checkout

Razom for Ukraine: https://www.razomforukraine.org

Klitschko Foundation: https://www.klitschkofoundation.org/en/

Red Cross / Red Crescent:  https://donate.redcrossredcrescent.org/ua/donate/~my-donation

Save Our Allies: https://saveourallies.org

Myria Aid:  https://www.mriyaaid.org

Ukraine Aid Ops:  https://www.amazon.com/registries/custom/HMNYO2ISQGNP

UN Human Rights Council:  https://www.unhcr.org/en-us/ukraine-emergency.html

UNICEF:  https://www.unicefusa.org/stories/unicef-children-crossfire-ukraine-crisis/39542?form=FUNKBHMZQDQ
For Canadians:  https://www.unicef.ca/en

Episcopal Relief & Development's Ukraine Crisis Response Fund: https://support.episcopalrelief.org/ukraineresponse

International Rescue Foundation (via TripAdvisor matching page):  https://www.tripadvisor.com/vpages/refugee_relief.html

International Rescue Committee:  https://www.rescue.org/article/how-does-irc-respond-emergency-ukraine

A Kyiv bakery distributing bread to people in need:  https://eng.goodbread.com.ua
A US baker helping equip looted Ukrainian bakeries: https://gofund.me/174f7423

Ukrainian Emergency Art Fund:  https://ueaf.moca.org.ua

Canadian-Ukraine Foundation:  https://www.cufoundation.ca

US-Ukraine Foundation: https://usukraine.org

Greater Baltimore Medical Center (medicine for Ukraine): https://www.classy.org/give/406643/
Tidewater (Virginia) Ukrainian School: https://tidewaterua.org

Animal welfare groups operating in Ukraine (or Poland for refugees with pets):  https://happypaw.ua/en/ ;
https://www.ifaw.org/action/ukraine-emergency-aid-update ;  https://www.facebook.com/shelterFriendDnepr ;  https://www.karg.kiev.ua/https://animal-id.net/en/donate

Rebuilding-specific groups:
Sports gyms for kids: https://www.flyhigh.fund
Farmers / rural: https://www.wrru.org
Demining: https://halotrust.org
Humans: https://zelenskafoundation.org/en


Other notes & ways to help:

If you know any Ukrainians in need, give them this link: https://mobile.twitter.com/Flash43191300/status/1558794397868859393
(If anyone has a link to that info that's hotlinked, please let me know).  For people with destroyed homes, see https://espl.com.ua.  Advice for travelers (in Ukrainian) to avoid sex traffickers: https://www.helpforukrainians.info/ukrainian/ .  To report unexplored ordinance, send quantity, condition, location, etc, with a photo to https://t.me/evorog_bot

You should also check to see if your employer has a donation matching program.  Some may be listed at https://doublethedonation.com/

Some donations may be eligible to get you nudie pics:  https://teronlyfans.com/english/

If you want to fund reporting of the war:  https://www.gofundme.com/f/kyivindependent-launch;  https://www.patreon.com/kyivindependenthttps://dattalion.com/donate-to-dattalion/

If you can't donate money, but have free time and the health to do it, consider volunteering your time to groups to help them free up money to spend in Ukraine.

You can search Charity Navigator ( https://www.charitynavigator.org ) or GuideStar (https://www.guidestar.org/NonprofitDirectory.aspx) for terms like Ukraine, and look find a group near you that needs extra hands.  If you can't find a Ukraine specific one, pick another one with a mission that you support.

If you want to donate drones, medical supplies and such:  https://www.mriyaaid.org/aid

If you want to have a supper club or bake sale fundraiser and would like recipes:  https://www.cookforukraine.org

There are even ways to contribute online, for the home bound people:

Saving Ukrainian Cultural Heritage Online (SUCHO):  https://www.sucho.org

Shadows Project (Survey for what cultural stuff they should put online, and an Instagram page of Ukrainian art):  https://beacons.page/shadows.project

Help Ukrainians practice conversational English:  https://mobile.twitter.com/OlenaChek/status/1544689140725325825. (And if you want to learn Ukrainian, sign up with Pimsleur before the end of the year: https://www.pimsleur.com/c/free-ukrainian )

Learn about Ukrainian History (and raise funds):  https://youtube.com/watch?v=tl070rPB58M

If you're a US citizen, call your congress critters and let them know how you feel:  (202) 224-3121.  Or if you want to sponsor refugees:  https://ukraine.welcome.us.  But you may want to try to find an NGO, as if you directly sponsor them you're financially responsible for two years.  (https://www.uscis.gov/ukraine ; So tell your representatives to give them refugee status).

If you would like to avoid doing business with companies still operating in russia, seehttps://www.dontfundwar.com

If you use streaming music services, search for Ukrainian artist playlists, so you'll give them a fraction of a penny and maybe find some new artists to support more directly.  See https://linkpeak.io/l/defendukraine

If you watch cam sites, consider supporting Ukrainians (although some may currently be displaced, others may tag Ukraine to show support because they're from neighboring countries, and some of the most in need of support may not currently have internet access; I don't have any sort of definitive list)

There are also efforts to DDoS Russian websites, but I'm not linking to them to avoid risking the mods removing this whole list.

Also see the official Ukrainian website on ways to support their effort:  https://war.ukraine.ua/support-ukraine/


Buying stuff made in Ukraine or as fundraisers (consider shipping time/delays for Christmas presents, so order early):

Shirts, stickers and flags (Canada/US):  https://www.saintjavelin.com/
Shirts, socks, hoodies, jackets, etc. (Ukranian):  https://www.aviatsiyahalychyny.com/en/
Picasso-esque print: https://andresvalencia-invasionofukraine.com
Clothing (Texas imports from Ukraine):  https://www.ukiestyle.com
Video games (Ukrainian fArmy):  https://ukrainian.itch.io/ukrainian-farmy
Beer:  https://drinkersforukraine.com
A comic book:  https://zoop.gg/c/comicsforukraine
Games studios in Ukraine: https://store.steampowered.com/developer/StarniGames ;  https://store.steampowered.com/developer/nightcatstudioshttps://store.steampowered.com/developer/Best%20Way
T-shirts and art (Ukraine):  https://artforukraine.world/catalogue/
T-shirts and other stuff (Estonia? Using Printify): https://supportukraine.art
Posters (Europe?): https://againstwar.gallery
Metal signs:  https://displate.com/stand-with-ukraine/make-art-not-war
Wooden toys & models (Ukraine): https://ugearsmodels.com
Lego figures and sets: https://www.brickmania.com/donations/
Messages on Ukrainian ordinance: https://signmyrocket.com
Ukrainian fire shirt: https://www.bonfire.com/ukraine-ministry-of-accidental-russian-fire/
T-shirts and hoodies (Ukraine): https://visitukraine.shop/collections
Candles: https://doorcountycandle.com/product/ukraine-candle/
Pinhole cameras: https://jollylook.com
Postage stamps: https://postcardsua.com/collections/stampshttps://volstamp.in.ua/en/catalog/marki_ukraini_2022-id391https://postmark.ukrposhta.ua (set language in menu)
Fetishwear: https://www.brightandshinystore.com
Patches (made by TelemonianAjax):  https://www.etsy.com/listing/1182030528/iron-on-patch-set-of-8-ukraine-childrens

If you buy stuff on Amazon, go to https://smile.amazon.com/ and in settings, go to 'Your AmazonSmile' and designate a charity to receive a fraction of your purchases whenever you use the 'smile' website to buy stuff.

If you're still feeling anxious or depressed about this whole thing, consider professional help, but I also found the book 'Lost Connections' helped me years ago:  https://fourminutebooks.com/lost-connections-summary/


PS.  You don't need to tell us what you do (but you can if you think it would help keep your sanity)
PPS.  If you reply to stuff in this thread, please trim down your reply
PPPS. If you want me to add something, reply with an English language link
PPPPS. Some of the new faces are people trying to understand what's going on.  Not everyone asking questions is a shill, even when they say 'the Ukraine'
Px5S. Some newcomers have been flagging posts as off topic; this is in part a therapy thread, with thread jacks & callbacks to past threads to add levity and balance out the atrocities
 
2022-10-05 8:27:06 AM  

thecactusman17: Harlee: "Dozens of settlements..." Anyone know why these are called "settlements" rather than "towns" or "villages"? "Settlements" is off-putting, somehow, with a connotation (to me) of "temporary" or "recent." Subtle pro-Orc propaganda at CNBC? But I've seen this elsewhere, as well. Anyone? Bueller? Sergei?

Anyway, to the killing stats:

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Some of the named locations are barely more than a handful of farmhouses surrounded by fields. It's probably a translation of the regional naming convention for the smallest distinct inhabited place, similar to how the USA calls certain locations a "census designated place" just to categorize them as separate from another city, town or village.


This is how I've been interpreting it.  A catch-all term for an inhabited place, that happens to be appropriate for the scale in question since the action is happening out in the countryside.

And also let's remember that these terms are usually constructions of law, not language - the difference between a "city," "village," "township," "hamlet," etc. is very often a function of which levels of government exists and responsible for what, and have which powers.  I'd imagine that at least some of that law in Ukraine was carried over from the USSR, and at least some of that carried over from the Russian Empire, so it shouldn't be all that surprising if it doesn't entirely line up with how that sort of thing is organized in e.g. the USA.
 
2022-10-05 8:27:45 AM  
And the counterpoint to the short section on Russian offensives, the much larger sections (plural) on Ukrainian ones. I usually include the Russian defensive efforts, but there really aren't any to speak of right now.


Ukrainian Counteroffensives


Eastern Ukraine (Oskil River-Kreminna Line)

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Ukrainian forces continued to make gains in eastern Kharkiv Oblast west of Svatove on October 4.
Geolocated footage shows Ukrainian troops in Bohuslavka and Borivska Andriivka, both within 30km west of Svatove and near the Kharkiv-Luhansk Oblast border.[18] Bohuslavka and Borivska Andriivka are on the left bank of the Oskil River.  These gains, along with other Ukrainian advances on the east bank of the river, have essentially deprived Russian forces of the ability to use the river as a defensive line. A Russian milblogger described this inflection by noting that what used to be the Kharkiv front (the front bounded by the line of the Oskil River) has now become the Luhansk front as Ukrainian troops are threatening Russian positions within Luhansk Oblast itself.[19]

Russian sources continued to discuss Ukrainian advances toward Svatove and noted that while Russian troops still control the R66 (Svatove-Kreminna) highway, which Russian milbloggers regard as a critical Russian ground line of communication (GLOC), Ukrainian reconnaissance groups are operating along the road to set conditions for future attacks toward Svatove.[20] A Russian source reported that fighting is ongoing in Krasnorichenske, a settlement near the R66 and between Svatove and Kreminna.[21] A Russian milblogger claimed that elements of the Russian 1st Guards Tank Army and elements of the 144th Guards Motor Rifle Division of the 20th Combined Arms Army are preparing to defend Svatove.[22] As ISW has previously reported, these units and formations were severely degraded during the Kharkiv counteroffensive and are unlikely to establish a stable defense of these critical areas if Ukrainian forces press their attacks.[23] Russian sources will likely continue to reinforce their positions along the R66 highway in anticipation of further Ukrainian attacks.

Southern Ukraine (Kherson Oblast)

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Ukrainian forces continued to make substantial gains in northern Kherson Oblast on October 4.
Geolocated footage shows Ukrainian troops in Velyka Oleksandrivka, Novopetrivka, and Starosillya, all in northwestern Kherson Oblast within 20km south of the Dnipropetrovsk Oblast border.[24] Russian sources acknowledged that Ukrainian forces have also captured at least half of Dudchany, a critical settlement in northeastern Kherson Oblast that lies along the T0403 highway, which runs along the west bank of the Dnipro River into the Beryslav-Nova Kahkovka area.[25] Several Russian sources indicated that Russian troops are withdrawing south toward Beryslav and regrouping in the area of Mylove (15km southwest of Dudchany) and that the northeastern sector of the Russian line in Kherson Oblast is collapsing along the Kakovkha reservoir.[26] One Russian source reported that Ukrainian forces captured Kachkarivka, less than 9 km from Mylove.[27] The Ukrainian 35th Marine Brigade also liberated Davydiv Brid in western Kherson Oblast.[28] An established Ukrainian position on the east (left) bank of the Inhulets River and on the right bank of Kakhkovka Reservoir (which feeds the Dnipro River) will enable Ukrainian forces to essentially squeeze Russian troops up against the Dnipro River to the east and force them southwards toward Kherson City and Beryslav-Nova Kakhkova according to a Russian milblogger.[29] The Ukrainian General Staff noted that Russian troops attacked Ternovi Pody (20km northwest of Kherson City), likely to expand Russian control northwest of Kherson City and afford Russian troops more defensible positions around the city as other elements withdraw from the north.[30]

Russian milbloggers provided insight into the sparse allocation of Russian forces that are collapsing under Ukrainian advances in northern Kherson Oblast. A Russian source claimed on October 4 that elements of the 126th Coastal Defense Brigade of the Black Sea Fleet have operated in the area without rotation since March and that the frontline is stretched so thin that some villages in this sector have 15 men defending them.[31] The milblogger claimed that a frontline of 20km needs 500 men to defend at approximately 20m per person and that, due to under-staffing in battalions in northern Kherson Oblast, the ratio was one soldier per 60m of line.[32] This description of a thin and undermanned frontline, along with effective Ukrainian offensive operations, partially explains the rapid rate of Russian collapse in this sector.

Ukrainian forces additionally continued the interdiction campaign in Kherson Oblast to support ongoing ground operations. Ukrainian military sources reported that Ukrainian troops targeted Russian military, logistics, and transportation assets and concentration areas on October 3 and 4.[33] Russian sources reported that Ukrainian troops once again struck the Antonivskyi Bridge in Kherson City.[34]
 
2022-10-05 8:28:56 AM  

fasahd: Rapmaster2000: Harlee: "Dozens of settlements..." Anyone know why these are called "settlements" rather than "towns" or "villages"?

I've never lived anywhere where places were referred to as villages.  It's always been towns in my experience.  I think of villages as where the Smurfs live.

Actchewalyy, It's where my dis-owned sister and other MAGAts live.

The Villages is a census-designated place (CDP) in Sumter County, Florida, United States. It shares its name with a broader master-planned age-restricted community that spreads into portions of Lake and Marion counties. The overall development lies in central Florida, approximately 20 miles (32 km) south of Ocala and approximately 45 miles (72 km) northwest of Orlando.
Between 2010 and 2020, The Villages was the fastest growing metropolitan area in the United States, growing 39 percent, from about 93,000 in 2010 to about 130,000 in 2020. The Villages covers an area of approximately 32 square miles, an area larger than Manhattan, and is expanding mostly to the south of the current community.


My parents live there as Democrats along with a small minority.  It's like they're in the French Resistance.  Whispers are made at parties.  Knowing glances are made.
 
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