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2022-10-05 3:26:21 AM  
Wow, someone in their thirties or forties? How groundbreaking.

Sean Connery, 1962, age 32
George Lazenby, 1969, age 30
Roger Moore, 1973, age 46
Timothy Dalton, 1987, age 41
Pierce Brosnan, 1995, age 42
Daniel Craig, 2006, age 38
 
2022-10-05 3:33:36 AM  
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2022-10-05 3:47:57 AM  
"...Remember, Bond's already a veteran. He's had some experience. He's a person who has been through the wars, so to speak. He's probably been in the SAS or something."

Typical executive. Doesn't know shiat about what they are making.
 
2022-10-05 6:38:56 AM  
Bond played in a calm, smart Johnny English mode? Might be fun.
 
2022-10-05 6:54:41 AM  
Your next 007:

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2022-10-05 6:54:56 AM  
Twice even
 
2022-10-05 6:56:10 AM  

Marcos P: Your next 007:

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No and no.
 
2022-10-05 7:28:01 AM  
Matthew Lewis

Not a huge star, used to the press rigors of a huge series.
 
2022-10-05 7:43:28 AM  
Ben Whishaw, the first openly gay Bond
 
2022-10-05 7:46:50 AM  

PreMortem: "...Remember, Bond's already a veteran. He's had some experience. He's a person who has been through the wars, so to speak. He's probably been in the SAS or something."

Typical executive. Doesn't know shiat about what they are making.


Nobody probably does at this point. I'd bet they're still undecided whether to go retro and put Bond back in the 50s and 60s where he belongs, or continue to try updating him and struggling to give him sci-fi gadgets that outdistance what we've already got but aren't too outrageously silly or OP.

If they want to keep the franchise gritty and serious, their best bet is doing period pieces. Otherwise they'll have more luck embracing the silliness of the Roger Moore years and making it more like a comedic and Marvel-like.
 
2022-10-05 8:20:17 AM  

Etchy333: Wow, someone in their thirties or forties? How groundbreaking.

Sean Connery, 1962, age 32
George Lazenby, 1969, age 30
Roger Moore, 1973, age 46
Timothy Dalton, 1987, age 41
Pierce Brosnan, 1995, age 42
Daniel Craig, 2006, age 38


Peter Sellers, 1967, age 42
 
2022-10-05 8:35:34 AM  
Tom hiddleston is 41 and oozes cool.  he almost seems made for the role really.  obviously you'd have to turn from the brute bond into the roger moore style suave style.
 
2022-10-05 8:44:39 AM  

You Are All Sheep: Tom hiddleston is 41 and oozes cool.  he almost seems made for the role really.  obviously you'd have to turn from the brute bond into the roger moore style suave style.


Most of the actors who played Bond weren't really household names (most of them weren't complete unknowns, either.)

I'm casting my vote for Travis Fimmel. Time for another Australian.
 
2022-10-05 8:46:50 AM  

You Are All Sheep: Tom hiddleston is 41 and oozes cool.  he almost seems made for the role really.  obviously you'd have to turn from the brute bond into the roger moore style suave style.


The problem with Hiddleston is he doesn't command the screen and he's too easily overshadowed. In Kong: Skull Island, he played an ex-special forces expert who was something of a Bond-like character, and he got a cool introduction where he quickly takes out some assailants using a pool cue. But once he's introduced to the rest of the group and the action really gets going, you can almost forget he's still in the movie. He just can't hold the focus. Even in his own series Loki, he winds up looking more like Sylvie's blundering sidekick than the main character, and he's less interesting to follow than all the other Lokis who appear, including the alligator.

Hiddleston is a great choice for a supporting role, but I just don't think he could carry a movie by himself.
 
2022-10-05 8:52:42 AM  
The people suggesting Tom Holland as Bond are idiots.

And no, Bond doesn't need a lot of gadgets.  Read the damned books.  Bond has PTSD and believes women are a distraction during a mission.  He's a very blunt tool his handlers send when a job must be completed at all costs.
 
2022-10-05 8:57:08 AM  

You Are All Sheep: Tom hiddleston is 41 and oozes cool.  he almost seems made for the role really.  obviously you'd have to turn from the brute bond into the roger moore style suave style.


I hope that's what they do. I would even like some camp. The grim dark emotionality damaged Bond is played the fark out. He travels the world, shoots bad guys, drives amazing cars, and bang hot women all for King and country. The mother farker should constantly be smiling.
 
2022-10-05 9:00:32 AM  
But how can they recast him when they have the perfect framework for a follow-up right here?

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2022-10-05 9:08:42 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: The people suggesting Tom Holland as Bond are idiots.

And no, Bond doesn't need a lot of gadgets.  Read the damned books.  Bond has PTSD and believes women are a distraction during a mission.  He's a very blunt tool his handlers send when a job must be completed at all costs.


Almost sounds like movies and books can be different
 
2022-10-05 9:13:29 AM  

Gubbo: Chief Superintendent Lookout: The people suggesting Tom Holland as Bond are idiots.

And no, Bond doesn't need a lot of gadgets.  Read the damned books.  Bond has PTSD and believes women are a distraction during a mission.  He's a very blunt tool his handlers send when a job must be completed at all costs.

Almost sounds like movies and books can be different


Right.  Because that always plays out well.
 
2022-10-05 9:19:58 AM  

EdgeRunner: You Are All Sheep: Tom hiddleston is 41 and oozes cool.  he almost seems made for the role really.  obviously you'd have to turn from the brute bond into the roger moore style suave style.

The problem with Hiddleston is he doesn't command the screen and he's too easily overshadowed. In Kong: Skull Island, he played an ex-special forces expert who was something of a Bond-like character, and he got a cool introduction where he quickly takes out some assailants using a pool cue. But once he's introduced to the rest of the group and the action really gets going, you can almost forget he's still in the movie. He just can't hold the focus. Even in his own series Loki, he winds up looking more like Sylvie's blundering sidekick than the main character, and he's less interesting to follow than all the other Lokis who appear, including the alligator.

Hiddleston is a great choice for a supporting role, but I just don't think he could carry a movie by himself.


well that also can be attributed to writing and direction.
 
2022-10-05 9:28:03 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Gubbo: Chief Superintendent Lookout: The people suggesting Tom Holland as Bond are idiots.

And no, Bond doesn't need a lot of gadgets.  Read the damned books.  Bond has PTSD and believes women are a distraction during a mission.  He's a very blunt tool his handlers send when a job must be completed at all costs.

Almost sounds like movies and books can be different

Right.  Because that always plays out well.


The opposite. If you directly adapt a source without taking into account the different medium. You'll almost certainly get garbage
 
2022-10-05 9:38:36 AM  

Gubbo: Chief Superintendent Lookout: Gubbo: Chief Superintendent Lookout: The people suggesting Tom Holland as Bond are idiots.

And no, Bond doesn't need a lot of gadgets.  Read the damned books.  Bond has PTSD and believes women are a distraction during a mission.  He's a very blunt tool his handlers send when a job must be completed at all costs.

Almost sounds like movies and books can be different

Right.  Because that always plays out well.

The opposite. If you directly adapt a source without taking into account the different medium. You'll almost certainly get garbage


Ok, look at Jason Bourne.  Apparently, there was a made for TV movie of The Bourne Identity back in the 80s.  Made for TV is usually not good quality.  Bourne gets the big screen treatment that matches close to the books and is a success.  When Bond got rebooted, everyone whined it was mimicking Bourne, except that's how Bond was from the beginning.  The Roger Moore era of gadgetry and quips just made Bond silly.

Now, look at Jack Reacher.  The first one with Cruise is damn good even though he's too short to be Reacher.  Cruise is serious about his craft, so I give him a lot of credit.  Second one not so much.  Amazon makes a series where they're close to the books and the reaction is off the charts.

Transferring medium is difficult, but too much change ruins it.  Marvel comic characters and the first few phases are a great example compared to earlier efforts.
 
2022-10-05 9:40:16 AM  

WhippingBoi: You Are All Sheep: Tom hiddleston is 41 and oozes cool.  he almost seems made for the role really.  obviously you'd have to turn from the brute bond into the roger moore style suave style.

Most of the actors who played Bond weren't really household names (most of them weren't complete unknowns, either.)

I'm casting my vote for Travis Fimmel. Time for another Australian.


No more Aussies....Lazenby sucked.

/Will say it again:
//Dalton was underrated.
 
2022-10-05 9:41:26 AM  
I thought Bond was dead. Not to be a spoilsport or something. After that explosion,   they could cast a nice crispy piece of bacon.

I mean for realism's sake.
 
2022-10-05 9:43:45 AM  

You Are All Sheep: Tom hiddleston is 41 and oozes cool.  he almost seems made for the role really.  obviously you'd have to turn from the brute bond into the roger moore style suave style.


I can almost guarantee it won't be someone who's a star of an already existing movie franchise. It's why it was silly when the "Tom Holland as Bond" rumors started
 
2022-10-05 9:57:58 AM  
I've made this point before -

It will not be a big star. It will not be a household name.

James Bond is the star of the Bond movies.

You can't have someone well known take the role because then it becomes so and so pretending to be James Bond instead of James Bond.
 
2022-10-05 10:01:21 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Gubbo: Chief Superintendent Lookout: Gubbo: Chief Superintendent Lookout: The people suggesting Tom Holland as Bond are idiots.

And no, Bond doesn't need a lot of gadgets.  Read the damned books.  Bond has PTSD and believes women are a distraction during a mission.  He's a very blunt tool his handlers send when a job must be completed at all costs.

Almost sounds like movies and books can be different

Right.  Because that always plays out well.

The opposite. If you directly adapt a source without taking into account the different medium. You'll almost certainly get garbage

Ok, look at Jason Bourne.  Apparently, there was a made for TV movie of The Bourne Identity back in the 80s.  Made for TV is usually not good quality.  Bourne gets the big screen treatment that matches close to the books and is a success.  When Bond got rebooted, everyone whined it was mimicking Bourne, except that's how Bond was from the beginning.  The Roger Moore era of gadgetry and quips just made Bond silly.

Now, look at Jack Reacher.  The first one with Cruise is damn good even though he's too short to be Reacher.  Cruise is serious about his craft, so I give him a lot of credit.  Second one not so much.  Amazon makes a series where they're close to the books and the reaction is off the charts.

Transferring medium is difficult, but too much change ruins it.  Marvel comic characters and the first few phases are a great example compared to earlier efforts.


Let's take a look at something like Watchmen. Lifted directly from the page for the movie. Not very interesting.

Adapted from the source material for the tv show - absolutely brilliant

/you always have to make changes when you bring something to a new medium
//if you want the version of Bond from the books, that's fine. Those exist. It's called the books
 
2022-10-05 10:12:56 AM  
Don't care who, I'm going to see the movie anyway.
 
2022-10-05 10:17:07 AM  

The_Sponge: WhippingBoi: You Are All Sheep: Tom hiddleston is 41 and oozes cool.  he almost seems made for the role really.  obviously you'd have to turn from the brute bond into the roger moore style suave style.

Most of the actors who played Bond weren't really household names (most of them weren't complete unknowns, either.)

I'm casting my vote for Travis Fimmel. Time for another Australian.

No more Aussies....Lazenby sucked.

/Will say it again:
//Dalton was underrated.


Dalton was a really great Bond. But the movies he was in were unbelievably dull. They felt like bad "Miami Vice" two-part episodes.
 
2022-10-05 10:17:39 AM  

You Are All Sheep: well that also can be attributed to writing and direction.


Only up to a point. When every example of his work shows him fading into the background whenever he shares the screen with any actor with more range than Chris Hemsworth, you have to acknowledge there's a pattern.

If RDJ or Chris Evans had played any of the same roles Hiddleston has, they wouldn't have been so easily upstaged. It's also important to note that practically none of the other actors in those same productions end up being as forgettable. They were working with the same script and direction, but they managed to shine in ways Hiddleston didn't.

I don't dislike the guy, but he's not leading man material. He just doesn't have that spark.
 
2022-10-05 10:22:26 AM  

realmolo: The_Sponge: WhippingBoi: You Are All Sheep: Tom hiddleston is 41 and oozes cool.  he almost seems made for the role really.  obviously you'd have to turn from the brute bond into the roger moore style suave style.

Most of the actors who played Bond weren't really household names (most of them weren't complete unknowns, either.)

I'm casting my vote for Travis Fimmel. Time for another Australian.

No more Aussies....Lazenby sucked.

/Will say it again:
//Dalton was underrated.

Dalton was a really great Bond. But the movies he was in were unbelievably dull. They felt like bad "Miami Vice" two-part episodes.


Eh...The Living Daylights didn't have a Miami Vice vibe at all...but I obviously understand that comparison with License to Kill.

/Enjoyed both movies.
//Plus, former is the last Cold War Bond movie.
///Also a huge Miami Vice fan, which could influence my opinion on the latter.
 
2022-10-05 10:28:36 AM  
In my opinion, The Loving Daylights was the Casino Royale of it's time...And both had lackluster sequels.
 
2022-10-05 10:40:28 AM  

AuralArgument: Matthew Lewis

Not a huge star, used to the press rigors of a huge series.


Too modelly.
 
2022-10-05 10:57:47 AM  
Side note, Thirtysomething was a really crappy show.
 
2022-10-05 10:58:13 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Gubbo: Chief Superintendent Lookout: Gubbo: Chief Superintendent Lookout: The people suggesting Tom Holland as Bond are idiots.

And no, Bond doesn't need a lot of gadgets.  Read the damned books.  Bond has PTSD and believes women are a distraction during a mission.  He's a very blunt tool his handlers send when a job must be completed at all costs.

Almost sounds like movies and books can be different

Right.  Because that always plays out well.

The opposite. If you directly adapt a source without taking into account the different medium. You'll almost certainly get garbage

Ok, look at Jason Bourne.  Apparently, there was a made for TV movie of The Bourne Identity back in the 80s.  Made for TV is usually not good quality.  Bourne gets the big screen treatment that matches close to the books and is a success.  When Bond got rebooted, everyone whined it was mimicking Bourne, except that's how Bond was from the beginning.  The Roger Moore era of gadgetry and quips just made Bond silly.

Now, look at Jack Reacher.  The first one with Cruise is damn good even though he's too short to be Reacher.  Cruise is serious about his craft, so I give him a lot of credit.  Second one not so much.  Amazon makes a series where they're close to the books and the reaction is off the charts.

Transferring medium is difficult, but too much change ruins it.  Marvel comic characters and the first few phases are a great example compared to earlier efforts.


The Bourne movies are a terrible defense for the point you're trying to make.

The first act of the first movie follows the first book almost to the letter; from there it jumps to a completely different track and creates an entirely new plot while borrowing the names of a few people and organizations.
There's more plot development in the rest of the Bourne Identity book than the entire Bourne film franchise combined.
 
2022-10-05 11:08:47 AM  
Will be stymied by a standard transmission or a rotary dial phone.
 
2022-10-05 11:29:23 AM  
Age - 36.


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2022-10-05 11:32:11 AM  

10Speed: Side note, Thirtysomething was a really crappy show.


Bond, as played by a thirtysomething cast member, Busfield, Ken Olin or the other guy:

Blofeld Jr.: The game is set, Mr. Bond.  The end of you will be the beginning of my plan for world domination.  This conveyor belt will feed you into this wood chipper. The remains of you will be fed into that vat, which will complete the circuit and fire up my hydro laser.  You have less than 2 minutes to live, Mr. Bond.  Anything you want say?

Bond: But what about my needs.
 
2022-10-05 11:38:05 AM  

WhippingBoi: You Are All Sheep: Tom hiddleston is 41 and oozes cool.  he almost seems made for the role really.  obviously you'd have to turn from the brute bond into the roger moore style suave style.

Most of the actors who played Bond weren't really household names (most of them weren't complete unknowns, either.)

I'm casting my vote for Travis Fimmel. Time for another Australian.


I like Fimmel...in rough roles. He doesn't clean up well enough for the GQ that is Bond.
 
2022-10-05 11:38:11 AM  

Jack of All Games: There's more plot development in the rest of the Bourne Identity book than the entire Bourne film franchise combined.


Not really clear why that matters. Action movies are strings of Perils of Pauline moments. Melodramas. In my favorite -- The 39 Steps -- we know that Hannay is from Canada and will eat the haddock. Not exactly Oedipus Rex.
 
2022-10-05 11:50:16 AM  
Tom Ellis is the only choice, can do bastard, sarcastic, tough and funny.
 
2022-10-05 11:56:33 AM  

jlee4677: Tom Ellis is the only choice, can do bastard, sarcastic, tough and funny.


I say they go with Tom Hardy, playing a variation of his Eddie Brock portrayal in Venom. He's a down-on-his-luck Londoner who stumbles across one of Bond's old gadget-filled watches, which turns out to be the one Bond was wearing when Blofeld finally killed him. When Hardy puts it on, he awakens Bond's dormant vengeful spirit which starts fighting him for possession of his body, and hijinks ensue!
 
2022-10-05 12:15:10 PM  

EdgeRunner: jlee4677: Tom Ellis is the only choice, can do bastard, sarcastic, tough and funny.

I say they go with Tom Hardy, playing a variation of his Eddie Brock portrayal in Venom. He's a down-on-his-luck Londoner who stumbles across one of Bond's old gadget-filled watches, which turns out to be the one Bond was wearing when Blofeld finally killed him. When Hardy puts it on, he awakens Bond's dormant vengeful spirit which starts fighting him for possession of his body, and hijinks ensue!


I feel I've seen this movie a few times. Most recently it was a suit that transformed someone? I recall one being about a watch as well.

/ok I feel seen the trailer for this movie a few times
 
2022-10-05 12:16:10 PM  
I feel the best troll would be to announce a female Bond. Watch everyone go crazy.

Then announce the next smoking hot Bond girl and watch them be all conflicted because they really really want to see those scenes.
 
2022-10-05 12:27:26 PM  

Gubbo: I feel the best troll would be to announce a female Bond. Watch everyone go crazy.


They already did that when they announced there'd be a woman playing the new 007. The media did its best to whip up a frenzy over it, but it's tough to get anyone all that excited one way or another about the Bond franchise these days.
 
2022-10-05 12:27:51 PM  

Gubbo: I feel the best troll would be to announce a female Bond. Watch everyone go crazy.

Then announce the next smoking hot Bond girl and watch them be all conflicted because they really really want to see those scenes.


Well you'll probably get the next best thing since it's probably not going to be a white guy. But it'll still probably be a guy
 
2022-10-05 12:57:14 PM  

Gubbo: I feel the best troll would be to announce a female Bond. Watch everyone go crazy.

Then announce the next smoking hot Bond girl and watch them be all conflicted because they really really want to see those scenes.


Emily Blunt would rock it
 
2022-10-05 1:09:06 PM  

yakmans_dad: Jack of All Games: There's more plot development in the rest of the Bourne Identity book than the entire Bourne film franchise combined.

Not really clear why that matters. Action movies are strings of Perils of Pauline moments. Melodramas. In my favorite -- The 39 Steps -- we know that Hannay is from Canada and will eat the haddock. Not exactly Oedipus Rex.


It doesn't matter if you're judging the movies in isolation.
It matters a lot if you're trying to claim that only adaptations that stick close to the source material end up being good.
 
2022-10-05 1:10:48 PM  

EdgeRunner: They already did that when they announced there'd be a woman playing the new 007. The media did its best to whip up a frenzy over it, but it's tough to get anyone all that excited one way or another about the Bond franchise these days


Would you say that about the MCU?  The latest MCU film did less box office than the latest Bond and the Bond film came out at a worse time pandemic wise.
 
2022-10-05 1:15:12 PM  

mjbok: EdgeRunner: They already did that when they announced there'd be a woman playing the new 007. The media did its best to whip up a frenzy over it, but it's tough to get anyone all that excited one way or another about the Bond franchise these days

Would you say that about the MCU?  The latest MCU film did less box office than the latest Bond and the Bond film came out at a worse time pandemic wise.


What are you talking about??? The MCU is stronger and more popular than it's ever been!

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