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(NPR)   Florida used to have laws limiting new housing in areas prone to flooding, like Fort Myers. You'll never guess what happened   (npr.org) divider line
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2022-10-05 2:07:59 AM  
Capitalism??
 
2022-10-05 2:08:06 AM  
Rebuilding = "jobs" program
 
2022-10-05 2:08:07 AM  
Shocking that low cost houses are built in wetlands after the law was changed years ago with no redirect to climate change or even current weather. And  population doubled from new residents moving in from out of state with no central way of warning any of those people.

Now over one hundred are dead. Most of them  retirees or people looking for opportunity.

Slow clap for Floridian government.
 
2022-10-05 2:08:58 AM  

phimuskapsi: Shocking that low cost houses are built in wetlands after the law was changed years ago with no redirect to climate change or even current weather. And  population doubled from new residents moving in from out of state with no central way of warning any of those people.

Now over one hundred are dead. Most of them  retirees or people looking for opportunity.

Slow clap for Floridian government.


*no respect.
 
2022-10-05 2:13:34 AM  
But mah freedumbs!!
 
2022-10-05 2:17:35 AM  
Asshattery?
 
2022-10-05 2:17:58 AM  
"Its basically free real estate"

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2022-10-05 2:18:57 AM  

phimuskapsi: with no central way of warning any of those people.


Apparently we live on different planets, because like...

Going back to 1990:  Library - IPCC

Since 1981: State of the Beach/State Reports/FL/Beach Description - Beachapedia

Oh and Florida has this thing called an Everglade. An Everglade is a FOREVER FLOOD THAT NEVER GOES AWAY.

There's more but like I just wanna cry. I live in Canada and we hear about flooding in Florida every week, literally every week, and Americans are like OMG NOBODY TOLD US. How many times ahs every person in Floirda been interviewed during a hurricane with their house destroyed? Twice? Thrice? Frice? Tell us more about how Greta Thunberg is the product of child abuse (PolTab loves those threads) while Florida children are the ones who grow up right, with their houses being destroyed in cycles.
 
2022-10-05 2:19:41 AM  
Oddly enough my guess was "rich dickheads had the regulations gutted so they could turn a profit without regard to the consequences for the people paying them".
 
2022-10-05 2:20:23 AM  
But hey, they could get federal flood insurance, so how bad could it be?

/moral hazard and insurance
 
2022-10-05 2:21:35 AM  
Huh. It's almost as if all people in floriduh are f*cking morons and should be allowed to die by their own hand.
OK. I'm OK with that, because the world will be a better place.
 
2022-10-05 2:22:06 AM  
Conservatives Under Corporate Kinetic Suggestion (CUCKS)
 
2022-10-05 2:29:16 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: phimuskapsi: with no central way of warning any of those people.

Apparently we live on different planets, because like...

Going back to 1990:  Library - IPCC

Since 1981: State of the Beach/State Reports/FL/Beach Description - Beachapedia

Oh and Florida has this thing called an Everglade. An Everglade is a FOREVER FLOOD THAT NEVER GOES AWAY.

There's more but like I just wanna cry. I live in Canada and we hear about flooding in Florida every week, literally every week, and Americans are like OMG NOBODY TOLD US. How many times ahs every person in Floirda been interviewed during a hurricane with their house destroyed? Twice? Thrice? Frice? Tell us more about how Greta Thunberg is the product of child abuse (PolTab loves those threads) while Florida children are the ones who grow up right, with their houses being destroyed in cycles.


I'm a liberal who grew up in Florida...and while the sprawl and idiots that continue to build on the coast is a problem (native Americans didn't do it for some reason 🙄) almost none of what you said applies to these people. There isn't constant flooding. There is overflow from major hurricane where the water just never recedes for a year ie see the saint John's river. But again...maybe not own a home on the coast in a place that has annual hurricanes? Oh Miami sorry you're screwed. 😒

/Lives an hour inland on the crest of the crest of a hill for nearly 40 years. Flooding isn't an issue.
 
2022-10-05 2:31:20 AM  

jerryskid: Huh. It's almost as if all people in floriduh are f*cking morons and should be allowed to die by their own hand.
OK. I'm OK with that, because the world will be a better place.


Your near sociopathic love for your fellow man has been noted.
 
2022-10-05 2:36:50 AM  
phimuskapsi:

with no central way of warning any of those people.

Is this a joke?  What the fark kind of warning do you need to not live somewhere that gets sunk under the ocean 4 months of the year?
 
2022-10-05 2:37:20 AM  
They fixed the cable?
 
2022-10-05 2:37:58 AM  

omg bbq: Capitalism??


Bat Boy Capitalism.

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2022-10-05 2:39:44 AM  

Murkanen: phimuskapsi:

with no central way of warning any of those people.

Is this a joke?  What the fark kind of warning do you need to not live somewhere that gets sunk under the ocean 4 months of the year?


We are still trying to figure out what kind of warning Florida man needs to not do pretty much anything.
 
2022-10-05 2:40:56 AM  
STARLINK
 
2022-10-05 2:40:56 AM  
A well-placed Republican got rich from a lot of other people becoming poor?
 
2022-10-05 2:43:41 AM  

RandomInternetComment: Bennie Crabtree: phimuskapsi: with no central way of warning any of those people.

Apparently we live on different planets, because like...

Going back to 1990:  Library - IPCC

Since 1981: State of the Beach/State Reports/FL/Beach Description - Beachapedia

Oh and Florida has this thing called an Everglade. An Everglade is a FOREVER FLOOD THAT NEVER GOES AWAY.

There's more but like I just wanna cry. I live in Canada and we hear about flooding in Florida every week, literally every week, and Americans are like OMG NOBODY TOLD US. How many times ahs every person in Floirda been interviewed during a hurricane with their house destroyed? Twice? Thrice? Frice? Tell us more about how Greta Thunberg is the product of child abuse (PolTab loves those threads) while Florida children are the ones who grow up right, with their houses being destroyed in cycles.

I'm a liberal who grew up in Florida...and while the sprawl and idiots that continue to build on the coast is a problem (native Americans didn't do it for some reason 🙄) almost none of what you said applies to these people. There isn't constant flooding. There is overflow from major hurricane where the water just never recedes for a year ie see the saint John's river. But again...maybe not own a home on the coast in a place that has annual hurricanes? Oh Miami sorry you're screwed. 😒

/Lives an hour inland on the crest of the crest of a hill for nearly 40 years. Flooding isn't an issue.


'it doesn't flood where I live, therefore there are no floods'
 
2022-10-05 2:44:30 AM  
I was living in Clearwater when Irma hit. The Pinellas County Sheriff was telling everyone the evening before that it was too late to find shelter. That it might be too late to safely evacuate. I was looking at the traffic cams and traffic was backed up. But I was tracking the storm on the radar which told another story. It wasn't that close yet. I slept with the TV on and in the morning the rain hadn't started. They were saying it was too late to leave yadda yadda. It was weird. I drove to the other side of the state to Vero Beach to stay at my brother's house. When I left there was no rain and hardly anyone on the road. I-4 was empty. I hit rain about 2/3 of the way there but nothing heavy. So I wonder how many people that died were looking back to other storms and the overreaction by officials. Except this time officials waited too late. But if I was on one of the barrier islands I would have left earlier. I grew up on a barrier island in the northeast in a house on the beach and you just didn't mess around with storms when surrounded by water.
 
2022-10-05 2:45:05 AM  

Murkanen: phimuskapsi:

with no central way of warning any of those people.

Is this a joke?  What the fark kind of warning do you need to not live somewhere that gets sunk under the ocean 4 months of the year?


That's... that's not hurricanes work. Ie see how Tampa Bay are Miami are functioning cities.
 
2022-10-05 2:45:31 AM  
*and Miami FTFM
 
2022-10-05 2:47:18 AM  
SELL THEIR HOUSES TO WHO, BEN?
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2022-10-05 2:47:31 AM  

RandomInternetComment: Bennie Crabtree: phimuskapsi: with no central way of warning any of those people.

Apparently we live on different planets, because like...

Going back to 1990:  Library - IPCC

Since 1981: State of the Beach/State Reports/FL/Beach Description - Beachapedia

Oh and Florida has this thing called an Everglade. An Everglade is a FOREVER FLOOD THAT NEVER GOES AWAY.

There's more but like I just wanna cry. I live in Canada and we hear about flooding in Florida every week, literally every week, and Americans are like OMG NOBODY TOLD US. How many times ahs every person in Floirda been interviewed during a hurricane with their house destroyed? Twice? Thrice? Frice? Tell us more about how Greta Thunberg is the product of child abuse (PolTab loves those threads) while Florida children are the ones who grow up right, with their houses being destroyed in cycles.

I'm a liberal who grew up in Florida...and while the sprawl and idiots that continue to build on the coast is a problem (native Americans didn't do it for some reason 🙄) almost none of what you said applies to these people. There isn't constant flooding. There is overflow from major hurricane where the water just never recedes for a year ie see the saint John's river. But again...maybe not own a home on the coast in a place that has annual hurricanes? Oh Miami sorry you're screwed. 😒

/Lives an hour inland on the crest of the crest of a hill for nearly 40 years. Flooding isn't an issue.


Oh.

One of those links I put up says:

Fact 3Coastal Population (2010): 14,194,603
Fact 4: 75% of the state's population lives within coastal counties[2] The entire population is less than 80 miles from the shore.


...so I thought it was much more floody than what you say. Also, all the images of...floods...and shiat.
 
2022-10-05 2:48:38 AM  
Did they socialize the risk and privatize the profit?
 
2022-10-05 3:00:34 AM  

RandomInternetComment: Murkanen: phimuskapsi:

with no central way of warning any of those people.

Is this a joke?  What the fark kind of warning do you need to not live somewhere that gets sunk under the ocean 4 months of the year?

That's... that's not hurricanes work. Ie see how Tampa Bay are Miami are functioning cities.


Functional should be in quotes at the very least.
 
2022-10-05 3:18:03 AM  

Commander Lysdexic: RandomInternetComment: Bennie Crabtree: phimuskapsi: with no central way of warning any of those people.

Apparently we live on different planets, because like...

Going back to 1990:  Library - IPCC

Since 1981: State of the Beach/State Reports/FL/Beach Description - Beachapedia

Oh and Florida has this thing called an Everglade. An Everglade is a FOREVER FLOOD THAT NEVER GOES AWAY.

There's more but like I just wanna cry. I live in Canada and we hear about flooding in Florida every week, literally every week, and Americans are like OMG NOBODY TOLD US. How many times ahs every person in Floirda been interviewed during a hurricane with their house destroyed? Twice? Thrice? Frice? Tell us more about how Greta Thunberg is the product of child abuse (PolTab loves those threads) while Florida children are the ones who grow up right, with their houses being destroyed in cycles.

I'm a liberal who grew up in Florida...and while the sprawl and idiots that continue to build on the coast is a problem (native Americans didn't do it for some reason 🙄) almost none of what you said applies to these people. There isn't constant flooding. There is overflow from major hurricane where the water just never recedes for a year ie see the saint John's river. But again...maybe not own a home on the coast in a place that has annual hurricanes? Oh Miami sorry you're screwed. 😒

/Lives an hour inland on the crest of the crest of a hill for nearly 40 years. Flooding isn't an issue.

'it doesn't flood where I live, therefore there are no floods'


There's nuance here you're missing. The flooding happens...once. Then just takes a year to go away. It's not new flooding every day.
 
2022-10-05 3:42:44 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Fact 4: 75% of the state's population lives within coastal counties[2] The entire population is less than 80 miles from the shore.


Florida is 160 miles wide at its widest point. Half of 160 is 80. You can't explain that.
 
2022-10-05 3:44:52 AM  

Red Shirt Blues: Bennie Crabtree: Fact 4: 75% of the state's population lives within coastal counties[2] The entire population is less than 80 miles from the shore.

Florida is 160 miles wide at its widest point. Half of 160 is 80. You can't explain that.


That's like, eight tens!
 
2022-10-05 3:49:28 AM  

DoctorCal: Did they socialize the risk and privatize the profit?


That's how Federal flood insurance works out. I develop a patch of land that no bank would finance for anything but orange groves, get the city to sell bonds to make my infrastructure, and put thousands of people in a flood plain only Uncle Sam will insure.
 
2022-10-05 3:50:15 AM  

Red Shirt Blues: I was living in Clearwater when Irma hit. The Pinellas County Sheriff was telling everyone the evening before that it was too late to find shelter. That it might be too late to safely evacuate. I was looking at the traffic cams and traffic was backed up. But I was tracking the storm on the radar which told another story. It wasn't that close yet. I slept with the TV on and in the morning the rain hadn't started. They were saying it was too late to leave yadda yadda. It was weird. I drove to the other side of the state to Vero Beach to stay at my brother's house. When I left there was no rain and hardly anyone on the road. I-4 was empty. I hit rain about 2/3 of the way there but nothing heavy. So I wonder how many people that died were looking back to other storms and the overreaction by officials. Except this time officials waited too late. But if I was on one of the barrier islands I would have left earlier. I grew up on a barrier island in the northeast in a house on the beach and you just didn't mess around with storms when surrounded by water.


I was in Pasco when Irma hit. I looked at the predicted storm surge, the evac maps, and noted that any place I was supposed to go was downhill from where I was. My apartment complex was in the B/C zone, but it was on a little hill. I stayed right where I was...

I didn't even lose power till the next day when they shut down the grid. Our office in NPR never did lose power.
 
2022-10-05 4:37:34 AM  

bughunter: Red Shirt Blues: Bennie Crabtree: Fact 4: 75% of the state's population lives within coastal counties[2] The entire population is less than 80 miles from the shore.

Florida is 160 miles wide at its widest point. Half of 160 is 80. You can't explain that.

That's like, eight tens!


And that's terrible
 
2022-10-05 5:01:50 AM  
a politician was paid off by a rich group of developers?
 
2022-10-05 5:08:39 AM  

Red Shirt Blues: Bennie Crabtree: Fact 4: 75% of the state's population lives within coastal counties[2] The entire population is less than 80 miles from the shore.

Florida is 160 miles wide at its widest point. Half of 160 is 80. You can't explain that.


I don't think it is possible to live more than 80 miles from the shore and also live in Florida.
 
2022-10-05 5:09:21 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: phimuskapsi: with no central way of warning any of those people.

Apparently we live on different planets, because like...

Going back to 1990:  Library - IPCC

Since 1981: State of the Beach/State Reports/FL/Beach Description - Beachapedia

Oh and Florida has this thing called an Everglade. An Everglade is a FOREVER FLOOD THAT NEVER GOES AWAY.

There's more but like I just wanna cry. I live in Canada and we hear about flooding in Florida every week, literally every week, and Americans are like OMG NOBODY TOLD US. How many times ahs every person in Floirda been interviewed during a hurricane with their house destroyed? Twice? Thrice? Frice? Tell us more about how Greta Thunberg is the product of child abuse (PolTab loves those threads) while Florida children are the ones who grow up right, with their houses being destroyed in cycles.


Does anyone even care about Greta Thunberg any more? She had her 15 minutes of fame, politicians pretended to care about global warming, and then everything went back to the usual bullshiat.
 
2022-10-05 5:11:44 AM  

Murkanen: phimuskapsi:

with no central way of warning any of those people.

Is this a joke?  What the fark kind of warning do you need to not live somewhere that gets sunk under the ocean 4 months of the year?


Have you met Americans? They need warnings that matches can start a fire.
 
2022-10-05 5:13:28 AM  
So sounds like Houston where they paved over the flood plains and built up on it and people get surprised when this happens and the people that did it are gone with a stack of cash.
 
2022-10-05 5:35:49 AM  

groppet: So sounds like Houston where they paved over the flood plains and built up on it and people get surprised when this happens and the people that did it are gone with a stack of cash.


iat unfortunately boils down to people want to live near the beach despite all it's risks. Someone will find a way to sell that regardless of the long term consequences. Visit the beach people don't live there.
 
2022-10-05 6:11:10 AM  
The shiat that has been done to Florida by both rednecks and northern interlopers, transforming one of the most environmentally unique places in the world into what you see now, is a great crime. There are still bits of the wild Florida, perhaps even more than some states, but they've always been under attack. And it's a damn shame.

People who see it as "swamp" and just want to drain and concrete over it are the worst.
 
2022-10-05 6:14:33 AM  
This kind of falls in line supporting the premise of a post n another related thread. Florida is the most hurricane prone state in the nation, yet each time they rebuild nothing is done to mitigate future hurricane catastrophic damage. The current ruling political party in Florida has an agenda that promotes this exercise in repeating the same mistakes because denying the truth of climate change is a core value . Once again, nothing will be done, and the most susceptible will re-elect the same politicians who view them as expendable hurricane fodder. The people who matter to the current Florida ruling class escaped to NYC and other snowbird summer east coast communities.
 
2022-10-05 6:18:33 AM  
This shiat, along with the mismanaged Texas power grid, is why it is so bitter that we keep bailing these states out.
 
2022-10-05 6:20:19 AM  
We should have declared defensive wetlands and flood plains to be national parks, no building, a long time ago.

Of course we didn't though, and here we are. Greedy people suck.
 
2022-10-05 6:26:20 AM  

phimuskapsi: Shocking that low cost houses are built in wetlands after the law was changed years ago with no redirect to climate change or even current weather. And  population doubled from new residents moving in from out of state with no central way of warning any of those people.

Now over one hundred are dead. Most of them  retirees or people looking for opportunity.

Slow clap for Floridian government.


And not a vote will be lost over it. Well, except for the dead.
 
2022-10-05 6:51:26 AM  
We're concerned because our son's SW Florida property is insured by a company that has been trying to sell off its business. ("Uh, sir, go stand in the FEMA line.")  Rates, already around 3-4 times the national average. will soar following Ian.
 
2022-10-05 6:57:02 AM  

born_yesterday: phimuskapsi: Shocking that low cost houses are built in wetlands after the law was changed years ago with no redirect to climate change or even current weather. And  population doubled from new residents moving in from out of state with no central way of warning any of those people.

Now over one hundred are dead. Most of them  retirees or people looking for opportunity.

Slow clap for Floridian government.

And not a vote will be lost over it. Well, except for the dead.


What makes you think those votes will be lost either?

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2022-10-05 6:57:32 AM  
The White version of "bootstrappyness?"
 
2022-10-05 6:58:34 AM  

yakmans_dad: We're concerned because our son's SW Florida property is insured by a company that has been trying to sell off its business. ("Uh, sir, go stand in the FEMA line.")  Rates, already around 3-4 times the national average. will soar following Ian.


Yup.
And at some point, the insurance market in Florida will just implode. Got me what happens then.
 
2022-10-05 7:12:56 AM  

Weaver95: yakmans_dad: We're concerned because our son's SW Florida property is insured by a company that has been trying to sell off its business. ("Uh, sir, go stand in the FEMA line.")  Rates, already around 3-4 times the national average. will soar following Ian.

Yup.
And at some point, the insurance market in Florida will just implode. Got me what happens then.


People move to Atlanta, Macon, and Birmingham. People left New Orleans and haven't really come back. They become ... migrants.
 
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