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2022-10-04 10:33:09 PM  
Why do I think that the deal to make Dune in the first place hinged on Brian getting a chance to shill his own riffs on his Dad's setting?
 
2022-10-04 10:53:40 PM  

hubiestubert: Why do I think that the deal to make Dune in the first place hinged on Brian getting a chance to shill his own riffs on his Dad's setting?


Same can be said of LOTR & Hobbit franchises.

Let's look at the bright side, HBO most likely brought in some great writing talent ... looks at IMDB

Oh dear... this does not look good

Maybe they can produce a couple episodes and then give it the Bat Girl treatment
 
2022-10-05 1:37:37 AM  
What are you, subby, some kind of Dune heretic?
 
2022-10-05 2:01:49 AM  
Dune sucks. The whole timeline is garbled, the premise at BEST would realistically only work for a thousand years before someone on a backwoods planet re-created computers & AI and weaponized them again but with failsafes, and dropped nukes on Space Guild facilities to cripple biological FTL travel.

Humans can't go more than 50-100 years without *some* sort of revolution, whether it be ideologically or militarily, let alone 10,000.
 
2022-10-05 2:35:27 AM  

Robinfro: Dune sucks. The whole timeline is garbled, the premise at BEST would realistically only work for a thousand years before someone on a backwoods planet re-created computers & AI and weaponized them again but with failsafes, and dropped nukes on Space Guild facilities to cripple biological FTL travel.

Humans can't go more than 50-100 years without *some* sort of revolution, whether it be ideologically or militarily, let alone 10,000.


I think that was the idea behind God-Emperor of Dune. Leto Jr. gathers all of the spice to prevent any sort of FTL travel, which can only be done with meat popsicles using spice. Any AI that gets out of control would be limited to its local area. He used spice to control the development of every planet in the entire empire, and inhibited anyone from being capable of FTL travel. I think the Bene Gesserit tried to hide some and were severely punished for it. If you can see the future you could quash any uprising in its infancy.

Although the many deaths of Duncan Idaho would be fun to see
 
2022-10-05 2:51:48 AM  

TokiWartooth: Robinfro: Dune sucks. The whole timeline is garbled, the premise at BEST would realistically only work for a thousand years before someone on a backwoods planet re-created computers & AI and weaponized them again but with failsafes, and dropped nukes on Space Guild facilities to cripple biological FTL travel.

Humans can't go more than 50-100 years without *some* sort of revolution, whether it be ideologically or militarily, let alone 10,000.

I think that was the idea behind God-Emperor of Dune. Leto Jr. gathers all of the spice to prevent any sort of FTL travel, which can only be done with meat popsicles using spice. Any AI that gets out of control would be limited to its local area. He used spice to control the development of every planet in the entire empire, and inhibited anyone from being capable of FTL travel. I think the Bene Gesserit tried to hide some and were severely punished for it. If you can see the future you could quash any uprising in its infancy.

Although the many deaths of Duncan Idaho would be fun to see


Obviously the AI wouldn't necessarily be limited to it's local area. Someone got to Arrakis in the first place and discovered spice.
 
2022-10-05 3:17:12 AM  
I didn't read Sisterhood of Dune.  By the time it came out, I had already read the first three "House" titles and decided Brian was a hack.

But if it's anything like House Atreides, House Harkonnen, or House Corrino, then you know what?  It's perfect drivel for television.

They can't make it any worse.

/oh god
//someone's going to take that as a challenge, aren't they?
 
2022-10-05 3:23:17 AM  
C'mon Hollywood.  <Poke>

Do Peter F. Hamilton or Alastair Reynolds!

/leave Iain M Banks alone
//you'll just besmirch him
 
2022-10-05 3:37:04 AM  
Well, to be fair, out of the two members of the Dune prequel writing team ... Brian is the lesser hack.  He's only screwed up Dune AFAIK.

KJA should never be let near anything capable of transcribing words into a written form, period, full stop.  His crimes against literature in the old Star Wars expanded universe should have landed him a lengthy stay in Gitmo.
 
2022-10-05 3:57:18 AM  

Robinfro: Dune sucks. The whole timeline is garbled, the premise at BEST would realistically only work for a thousand years before someone on a backwoods planet re-created computers & AI and weaponized them again but with failsafes, and dropped nukes on Space Guild facilities to cripple biological FTL travel.

Humans can't go more than 50-100 years without *some* sort of revolution, whether it be ideologically or militarily, let alone 10,000.


The politics of Dune make no sense.  If there was a substance that everyone was dependent on, say oil, maybe, do you think all the nations would get together and put one nation in charge of it with no other oversight?  The empire and the Landsraad would both have large forces on Arrakis to oversee everything to do with spice, making sure they weren't being cheated of their share.  And no way would they have to venture into the desert in risky missions to obtain it.  Anything that important would never be left to such variable outcomes.  ALL of Arrakis would be covered with self-supporting military bases and the Fremen would be hunted to extinction.  And none of this "the Fremen pay off the space guild to keep satellites away from the deep desert" crap.  It would be 100% a military operation until the Fremen were eradicated.
 
2022-10-05 4:02:24 AM  
Y'all complaining about Dune miss the real problem. Humans would decide that the sandworms were too much of a nuisance, invent a weapon to kill them off, and destroy the source of spice. Short-sighted greed and stupidity is a fundamental human trait.
 
2022-10-05 4:07:09 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Robinfro: Dune sucks. The whole timeline is garbled, the premise at BEST would realistically only work for a thousand years before someone on a backwoods planet re-created computers & AI and weaponized them again but with failsafes, and dropped nukes on Space Guild facilities to cripple biological FTL travel.

Humans can't go more than 50-100 years without *some* sort of revolution, whether it be ideologically or militarily, let alone 10,000.

The politics of Dune make no sense.  If there was a substance that everyone was dependent on, say oil, maybe, do you think all the nations would get together and put one nation in charge of it with no other oversight?  The empire and the Landsraad would both have large forces on Arrakis to oversee everything to do with spice, making sure they weren't being cheated of their share.  And no way would they have to venture into the desert in risky missions to obtain it.  Anything that important would never be left to such variable outcomes.  ALL of Arrakis would be covered with self-supporting military bases and the Fremen would be hunted to extinction.  And none of this "the Fremen pay off the space guild to keep satellites away from the deep desert" crap.  It would be 100% a military operation until the Fremen were eradicated.


Like, say, OPEC?
 
2022-10-05 4:07:11 AM  
after making the big mistake of reading a couple of their efforts it'll need serious rewriting.
like be a completely different thing all together.
 
2022-10-05 4:17:29 AM  
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2022-10-05 4:52:54 AM  
Hm, yes, we should deeply analyze how realistic a sci-fi fantasy is that was written in the 1960s.
 
2022-10-05 5:03:06 AM  

Zenith: after making the big mistake of reading a couple of their efforts it'll need serious rewriting.
like be a completely different thing all together.


Like be a completely different thing.
 
2022-10-05 5:04:49 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: Hm, yes, we should deeply analyze how realistic a sci-fi fantasy is that was written in the 1960s.


Please let us know how a story based on extensive research into desert ecology and cultures is no longer relevant because it was written a few decades ago.
 
2022-10-05 5:26:45 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: It would be 100% a military operation until the Fremen were eradicated.


Ease up on spice, Emperor
 
2022-10-05 5:28:03 AM  

baron von doodle: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Robinfro: Dune sucks. The whole timeline is garbled, the premise at BEST would realistically only work for a thousand years before someone on a backwoods planet re-created computers & AI and weaponized them again but with failsafes, and dropped nukes on Space Guild facilities to cripple biological FTL travel.

Humans can't go more than 50-100 years without *some* sort of revolution, whether it be ideologically or militarily, let alone 10,000.

The politics of Dune make no sense.  If there was a substance that everyone was dependent on, say oil, maybe, do you think all the nations would get together and put one nation in charge of it with no other oversight?  The empire and the Landsraad would both have large forces on Arrakis to oversee everything to do with spice, making sure they weren't being cheated of their share.  And no way would they have to venture into the desert in risky missions to obtain it.  Anything that important would never be left to such variable outcomes.  ALL of Arrakis would be covered with self-supporting military bases and the Fremen would be hunted to extinction.  And none of this "the Fremen pay off the space guild to keep satellites away from the deep desert" crap.  It would be 100% a military operation until the Fremen were eradicated.

Like, say, OPEC?


Needs  sexier name. CHOMP?
 
2022-10-05 5:38:32 AM  

Robinfro: Dune sucks. The whole timeline is garbled, the premise at BEST would realistically only work for a thousand years before someone on a backwoods planet re-created computers & AI and weaponized them again but with failsafes, and dropped nukes on Space Guild facilities to cripple biological FTL travel.

Humans can't go more than 50-100 years without *some* sort of revolution, whether it be ideologically or militarily, let alone 10,000.


Space Guild could see that someone, like Emperor or bunch of dudes on backwoods planet plots something that can threaten their existence
 
2022-10-05 5:57:59 AM  

Robinfro: Dune sucks. The whole timeline is garbled, the premise at BEST would realistically only work for a thousand years before someone on a backwoods planet re-created computers & AI and weaponized them again but with failsafes, and dropped nukes on Space Guild facilities to cripple biological FTL travel.

Humans can't go more than 50-100 years without *some* sort of revolution, whether it be ideologically or militarily, let alone 10,000.


What you say makes it suck is what I think makes it brilliant. The characters in Dune aren't like us. They lack curiosity. They live in a stagnant universe that hasn't changed for literally thousands of years. If you or I were in their world we'd be asking hundreds of questions. It doesn't even occur to them to do that. The wealthy elites have Mentats to think for them. The Mentats only analyse the information they're presented with. Everyone else obeys their feudal masters.

They don't remember why the planet Ix has that name. They can't work it out on their own. It's the ninth planet from its star. They are familiar with Roman numerals. The Bene Gesserit homeworld is Wallach IX. They know this. They simply don't feel enough of a desire to know the answer to a question that isn't related to their clear practical needs to bother thinking about it.

The whole point of the Golden Path is to force humanity out of that intellectual slumber and back to asking questions and finding answers again. Back to exploring the universe. That process takes thousands of years of tyranny and suffering. That's how deeply entrenched they are.
 
2022-10-05 6:01:28 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Robinfro: Dune sucks. The whole timeline is garbled, the premise at BEST would realistically only work for a thousand years before someone on a backwoods planet re-created computers & AI and weaponized them again but with failsafes, and dropped nukes on Space Guild facilities to cripple biological FTL travel.

Humans can't go more than 50-100 years without *some* sort of revolution, whether it be ideologically or militarily, let alone 10,000.

The politics of Dune make no sense.  If there was a substance that everyone was dependent on, say oil, maybe, do you think all the nations would get together and put one nation in charge of it with no other oversight?  The empire and the Landsraad would both have large forces on Arrakis to oversee everything to do with spice, making sure they weren't being cheated of their share.  And no way would they have to venture into the desert in risky missions to obtain it.  Anything that important would never be left to such variable outcomes.  ALL of Arrakis would be covered with self-supporting military bases and the Fremen would be hunted to extinction.  And none of this "the Fremen pay off the space guild to keep satellites away from the deep desert" crap.  It would be 100% a military operation until the Fremen were eradicated.


The books don't really have the plotholes you are imagining.

The planet could only support a small population lomg term, so no big military occupation. The Space guild had enormous power even over the Emperor, and protected over their spice, meanwhile they couldn't actually stand against the Emperor militarily. The story stands up to scrutiny very well.
 
2022-10-05 6:09:33 AM  

bughunter: I didn't read Sisterhood of Dune.  By the time it came out, I had already read the first three "House" titles and decided Brian was a hack.

But if it's anything like House Atreides, House Harkonnen, or House Corrino, then you know what?  It's perfect drivel for television.

They can't make it any worse.

/oh god
//someone's going to take that as a challenge, aren't they?


It took you three books of Brian and Kevin's drivel to determine they were hacks? Damn.

Frank has some other great works. I just wish someone would adapt The Dosadi Experiment or The Pandora sequence.
 
2022-10-05 6:49:04 AM  
People need to stop calling Brian Herbert a hack... Kevin J. Anderson was the hack. Read any of his stuff, all the way back to his Star Wars days and you'll see the same stilted two-dimensional characters and completely predictable plots.
The Dune books are probably the most readable books Anderson has been involved with which means Herbert was responsible for the uplift
 
2022-10-05 7:06:07 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The politics of Dune make no sense.  If there was a substance that everyone was dependent on, say oil, maybe, do you think all the nations would get together and put one nation in charge of it with no other oversight? The empire and the Landsraad would both have large forces on Arrakis to oversee everything to do with spice, making sure they weren't being cheated of their share.  And no way would they have to venture into the desert in risky missions to obtain it.  Anything that important would never be left to such variable outcomes.  ALL of Arrakis would be covered with self-supporting military bases and the Fremen would be hunted to extinction.  And none of this "the Fremen pay off the space guild to keep satellites away from the deep desert" crap.  It would be 100% a military operation until the Fremen were eradicated.


If that doesn't make sense to you, you should read about the history of the Middle East in the last 100 years or so. It absolutely makes no sense.
 
2022-10-05 7:11:23 AM  

bughunter: I didn't read Sisterhood of Dune.  By the time it came out, I had already read the first three "House" titles and decided Brian was a hack.


You're more generous than me.  I read the first book and was flabbergasted that the Tleilaxu would so brazenly set up their Axolotl tanks without sterilizing the planet, and at least the solar system around it, first.  Or even invade a planet in the first place, when they had face dancers to infiltrate.  They'd quietly replace key figures of power to subtly pull the strings long before they had to resort to open conflict.  After all, the rest of the Empire openly loathed them and would happily jump on any excuse to exterminate them and swipe the luxuries they coveted.
 
2022-10-05 7:32:06 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: AppleOptionEsc: Hm, yes, we should deeply analyze how realistic a sci-fi fantasy is that was written in the 1960s.

Please let us know how a story based on extensive research into desert ecology and cultures is no longer relevant because it was written a few decades ago.


I wasn't aware biologists and ecologists took enough drugs to get high and see the future in order to navigate, collect data and make theories and discoveries.

I'm not talking about the social commentary, I'm making a general statement about how "uh, a galactic government that lasted 1,000 years doing nothing? Why not use computers!" is too deeply trying to farm ralism points, like Trekkies and Star Wars fans do. The tech isn't the ooint if the book.
 
2022-10-05 7:41:46 AM  

DrunkenBob: bughunter: I didn't read Sisterhood of Dune.  By the time it came out, I had already read the first three "House" titles and decided Brian was a hack.

You're more generous than me.  I read the first book and was flabbergasted that the Tleilaxu would so brazenly set up their Axolotl tanks without sterilizing the planet, and at least the solar system around it, first.  Or even invade a planet in the first place, when they had face dancers to infiltrate.  They'd quietly replace key figures of power to subtly pull the strings long before they had to resort to open conflict.  After all, the rest of the Empire openly loathed them and would happily jump on any excuse to exterminate them and swipe the luxuries they coveted.


I picked one up in an airport to kill some time on a boring business trip, 40 years after reading Dune and Dune Messiah. So a lot of the finer details from the original books were pretty fuzzy. What stood out for me was the ridiculous concept of a 10,000 year rivalry between Harkonnens and Atreides. Both families would die out or morph into some vaguely related clan that barely remembers what they were supposed to be fighting over. Consider the British royal family, which has tenuous ancestral links to the Plantagets at best, and that's only a few hundred years later.
 
2022-10-05 7:57:09 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: Tyrone Slothrop: AppleOptionEsc: Hm, yes, we should deeply analyze how realistic a sci-fi fantasy is that was written in the 1960s.

Please let us know how a story based on extensive research into desert ecology and cultures is no longer relevant because it was written a few decades ago.

I wasn't aware biologists and ecologists took enough drugs to get high and see the future in order to navigate, collect data and make theories and discoveries.

I'm not talking about the social commentary, I'm making a general statement about how "uh, a galactic government that lasted 1,000 years doing nothing? Why not use computers!" is too deeply trying to farm ralism points, like Trekkies and Star Wars fans do. The tech isn't the ooint if the book.


Hm, yes, we should deeply analyze how realistic a sci-fi fantasy is that was written in the 1960s.
 
2022-10-05 8:02:36 AM  

GlamrLama: bughunter: I didn't read Sisterhood of Dune.  By the time it came out, I had already read the first three "House" titles and decided Brian was a hack.

But if it's anything like House Atreides, House Harkonnen, or House Corrino, then you know what?  It's perfect drivel for television.

They can't make it any worse.

/oh god
//someone's going to take that as a challenge, aren't they?

It took you three books of Brian and Kevin's drivel to determine they were hacks? Damn.

Frank has some other great works. I just wish someone would adapt The Dosadi Experiment or The Pandora sequence.


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The Dosadi Experiment is my favorite of Frank Herbert's books. Unfortunalety it has Whipping Star in front of it. The BuSab short stories are awesome.
 
2022-10-05 8:27:36 AM  

McGrits: GlamrLama: bughunter: I didn't read Sisterhood of Dune.  By the time it came out, I had already read the first three "House" titles and decided Brian was a hack.

But if it's anything like House Atreides, House Harkonnen, or House Corrino, then you know what?  It's perfect drivel for television.

They can't make it any worse.

/oh god
//someone's going to take that as a challenge, aren't they?

It took you three books of Brian and Kevin's drivel to determine they were hacks? Damn.

Frank has some other great works. I just wish someone would adapt The Dosadi Experiment or The Pandora sequence.

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The Dosadi Experiment is my favorite of Frank Herbert's books. Unfortunalety it has Whipping Star in front of it. The BuSab short stories are awesome.


Whipping Star is still almost completely indecipherable to me.  That said I would love to see any film adapting other Jorj X McKie/BuSab stories.
 
2022-10-05 9:37:09 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Robinfro: Dune sucks. The whole timeline is garbled, the premise at BEST would realistically only work for a thousand years before someone on a backwoods planet re-created computers & AI and weaponized them again but with failsafes, and dropped nukes on Space Guild facilities to cripple biological FTL travel.

Humans can't go more than 50-100 years without *some* sort of revolution, whether it be ideologically or militarily, let alone 10,000.

The politics of Dune make no sense.  If there was a substance that everyone was dependent on, say oil, maybe, do you think all the nations would get together and put one nation in charge of it with no other oversight?  The empire and the Landsraad would both have large forces on Arrakis to oversee everything to do with spice, making sure they weren't being cheated of their share.  And no way would they have to venture into the desert in risky missions to obtain it.  Anything that important would never be left to such variable outcomes.  ALL of Arrakis would be covered with self-supporting military bases and the Fremen would be hunted to extinction.  And none of this "the Fremen pay off the space guild to keep satellites away from the deep desert" crap.  It would be 100% a military operation until the Fremen were eradicated.


So would you have complained about Triangle Strategy's central conflict revolving around people's access to salt? Because that was a thing countries fought each other over.
 
2022-10-05 9:40:57 AM  

GlamrLama: bughunter: I didn't read Sisterhood of Dune.  By the time it came out, I had already read the first three "House" titles and decided Brian was a hack.

But if it's anything like House Atreides, House Harkonnen, or House Corrino, then you know what?  It's perfect drivel for television.

They can't make it any worse.

/oh god
//someone's going to take that as a challenge, aren't they?

It took you three books of Brian and Kevin's drivel to determine they were hacks? Damn.

Frank has some other great works. I just wish someone would adapt The Dosadi Experiment or The Pandora sequence.


I'd already read all those.

Dosadi Experiment and Whipping Star might work, with a good screenwriter.  You'd need a helluva actor to play McKie.

Pandora?  Nope.  Too cerebral for more than a niche audience of crazed fanboys who will whine something fierce when it's cancelled.

No, you want Hellstrom's Hive or Santaroga Barrier - those would make great thrillers.  I'm honestly surprised neither has made it to cinema yet.
 
2022-10-05 10:32:00 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Robinfro: Dune sucks. The whole timeline is garbled, the premise at BEST would realistically only work for a thousand years before someone on a backwoods planet re-created computers & AI and weaponized them again but with failsafes, and dropped nukes on Space Guild facilities to cripple biological FTL travel.

Humans can't go more than 50-100 years without *some* sort of revolution, whether it be ideologically or militarily, let alone 10,000.

The politics of Dune makeand most  no sense.  If there was a substance that everyone was dependent on, say oil, maybe, do you think all the nations would get together and put one nation in charge of it with no other oversight?  The empire and the Landsraad would both have large forces on Arrakis to oversee everything to do with spice, making sure they weren't being cheated of their share.  And no way would they have to venture into the desert in risky missions to obtain it.  Anything that important would never be left to such variable outcomes.  ALL of Arrakis would be covered with self-supporting military bases and the Fremen would be hunted to extinction.  And none of this "the Fremen pay off the space guild to keep satellites away from the deep desert" crap.  It would be 100% a military operation until the Fremen were eradicated.


Every point you make is discussed in the book.

* CHOAM uses auditors (and most likely truthsayers) to control the spice harvests. Some theft or fraud is to be expected, but nothing out of the ordinary.

* The emperor and the landsraad are opposed to each other. Even within the landsraad, different factions and houses are opposed to each other. The reason the Atreides is assigned by the emperor to rule Arrakis, is that he could unite these factions and houses and overthrow the emperor.

* It is impossible to make harvesting spice safe. The greatest danger are the sandworms. Unfortunately, it takes an incredible amount of force to kill just one worm, let alone every worm on the planet. And once every worm is destroyed, the spice is also gone. It turns out that spice is a byproduct of the lifecycle of sandworms. The Guild knows this (because precognition), and would never let this happen.

* The Fremen population is many times larger than the imperial census says it is. Most of them live on the southern hemisphere, which is considered uninhabitable by the empire. The Fremen are also warriors of the same level as the emperor's elite shock troops, the sardaukar. And last but not least, they know how to destroy the source of all spice. The Guild's navigators would never allow this to happen.
 
2022-10-05 11:03:54 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Robinfro: Dune sucks. The whole timeline is garbled, the premise at BEST would realistically only work for a thousand years before someone on a backwoods planet re-created computers & AI and weaponized them again but with failsafes, and dropped nukes on Space Guild facilities to cripple biological FTL travel.

Humans can't go more than 50-100 years without *some* sort of revolution, whether it be ideologically or militarily, let alone 10,000.

The politics of Dune make no sense.  If there was a substance that everyone was dependent on, say oil, maybe, do you think all the nations would get together and put one nation in charge of it with no other oversight?  The empire and the Landsraad would both have large forces on Arrakis to oversee everything to do with spice, making sure they weren't being cheated of their share.  And no way would they have to venture into the desert in risky missions to obtain it.  Anything that important would never be left to such variable outcomes.  ALL of Arrakis would be covered with self-supporting military bases and the Fremen would be hunted to extinction.  And none of this "the Fremen pay off the space guild to keep satellites away from the deep desert" crap.  It would be 100% a military operation until the Fremen were eradicated.


And unlike oil, spice can be farmed. The worms could be transported to any number of uninhabited desert planets across the galaxy.  It makes no sense to keep the most important substance to humanity on one planet that could easily be destroyed by numerous calamities. Even the invasion to wipe out the Atreides could have done serious damage to the worm population and sent the entire galaxy into crisis.
 
2022-10-05 11:09:52 AM  

Xythero: And unlike oil, spice can be farmed. The worms could be transported to any number of uninhabited desert planets across the galaxy.


Good luck with that

Children of Dune: Capture the Worm Scene (Final Project) - YouTube
 
2022-10-05 11:21:51 AM  

LewDux: Xythero: And unlike oil, spice can be farmed. The worms could be transported to any number of uninhabited desert planets across the galaxy.

Good luck with that

Children of Dune: Capture the Worm Scene (Final Project) - YouTube


This is an empire that has trillions of people in it.  I'm sure someone could figure it out.  They've already perfected cloning, so they may not even need to capture a live one.
 
2022-10-05 11:27:12 AM  
I read Dune for the first time about a year ago. It was fine but I couldn't help but think "this is what everyone creams their jeans about?" It's average science fiction.
 
2022-10-05 11:29:35 AM  

Xythero: LewDux: Xythero: And unlike oil, spice can be farmed. The worms could be transported to any number of uninhabited desert planets across the galaxy.

Good luck with that

Children of Dune: Capture the Worm Scene (Final Project) - YouTube

This is an empire that has trillions of people in it.  I'm sure someone could figure it out.  They've already perfected cloning, so they may not even need to capture a live one.


Chapter house Dune has worms on planets different than arrakis.
 
2022-10-05 11:38:11 AM  

Xythero: LewDux: Xythero: And unlike oil, spice can be farmed. The worms could be transported to any number of uninhabited desert planets across the galaxy.

Good luck with that

Children of Dune: Capture the Worm Scene (Final Project) - YouTube

This is an empire that has trillions of people in it.  I'm sure someone could figure it out.  They've already perfected cloning, so they may not even need to capture a live one.


Just build supercomputer, run some simulations and voila
 
2022-10-05 11:46:29 AM  

TokiWartooth: Although the many deaths of Duncan Idaho would be fun to see


Seemed to me the casting of Jason Momoa as Duncan Idabro was telegraphing they were going to at least make the attempt to get that far
 
2022-10-05 11:52:10 AM  
oh look more fan fiction material yall.

remember a  real creative writer wants to go into the unknown to explore.
fans want to stay put in their comfort zone and act as gate keepers of the make believe knowledge.
 
2022-10-05 12:02:26 PM  

Karma Chameleon: I read Dune for the first time about a year ago. It was fine but I couldn't help but think "this is what everyone creams their jeans about?" It's average science fiction.


It helps if you remember when it was written. It also helps if you read Dune Messiah.
 
2022-10-05 1:34:54 PM  

Xythero: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Robinfro: Dune sucks. The whole timeline is garbled, the premise at BEST would realistically only work for a thousand years before someone on a backwoods planet re-created computers & AI and weaponized them again but with failsafes, and dropped nukes on Space Guild facilities to cripple biological FTL travel.

Humans can't go more than 50-100 years without *some* sort of revolution, whether it be ideologically or militarily, let alone 10,000.

The politics of Dune make no sense.  If there was a substance that everyone was dependent on, say oil, maybe, do you think all the nations would get together and put one nation in charge of it with no other oversight?  The empire and the Landsraad would both have large forces on Arrakis to oversee everything to do with spice, making sure they weren't being cheated of their share.  And no way would they have to venture into the desert in risky missions to obtain it.  Anything that important would never be left to such variable outcomes.  ALL of Arrakis would be covered with self-supporting military bases and the Fremen would be hunted to extinction.  And none of this "the Fremen pay off the space guild to keep satellites away from the deep desert" crap.  It would be 100% a military operation until the Fremen were eradicated.

And unlike oil, spice can be farmed. The worms could be transported to any number of uninhabited desert planets across the galaxy.  It makes no sense to keep the most important substance to humanity on one planet that could easily be destroyed by numerous calamities. Even the invasion to wipe out the Atreides could have done serious damage to the worm population and sent the entire galaxy into crisis.


Why would the empire transport worms to another planet? First of all, if possible, it would be incredibly difficult and dangerous. Second, the empire doesn't know about the connection between sandworms and the spice. Also, the invasion of Arrakis would not have happened without the Guild's approval. And the Guild employs precogs who could have seen the danger.
 
2022-10-05 1:52:07 PM  
Anyways, about the topic:

The house books were pure soap opera nonsense fanfic that fleshed out a bit of the Dune universe. They missed the point and style of almost all of Frank Herbert's writing (not just Dune)

The butlerian jihad books were  godawful and an insult to Frank Herbert and his legacy. The last book in this series was a freaking checklist.

I somehow made it through Dune book #7a and said no more and I will not read book #7b. I did not now there were even more books after this. I know I played a part early by buying the house books and the jihad books and I would like to apologize for my mistakes.

/the sad thing is that Brian Herbert's 'A Race for God' is a good read.
 
2022-10-05 2:05:45 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Karma Chameleon: I read Dune for the first time about a year ago. It was fine but I couldn't help but think "this is what everyone creams their jeans about?" It's average science fiction.

It helps if you remember when it was written. It also helps if you read Dune Messiah.


Is that the second one? I think I got halfway through it. Just not for me I guess. Duncan Idaho is a cool character though
 
2022-10-05 3:04:45 PM  
yay a prequel
 
2022-10-05 4:32:12 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Robinfro: Dune sucks. The whole timeline is garbled, the premise at BEST would realistically only work for a thousand years before someone on a backwoods planet re-created computers & AI and weaponized them again but with failsafes, and dropped nukes on Space Guild facilities to cripple biological FTL travel.

Humans can't go more than 50-100 years without *some* sort of revolution, whether it be ideologically or militarily, let alone 10,000.

The politics of Dune make no sense.  If there was a substance that everyone was dependent on, say oil, maybe, do you think all the nations would get together and put one nation in charge of it with no other oversight?  The empire and the Landsraad would both have large forces on Arrakis to oversee everything to do with spice, making sure they weren't being cheated of their share.  And no way would they have to venture into the desert in risky missions to obtain it.  Anything that important would never be left to such variable outcomes.  ALL of Arrakis would be covered with self-supporting military bases and the Fremen would be hunted to extinction.  And none of this "the Fremen pay off the space guild to keep satellites away from the deep desert" crap.  It would be 100% a military operation until the Fremen were eradicated.


The Harkonenns were hunting the Fremen to extinction. That is how the Atriedies were able to make inroads into forming an alliance with them.
 
2022-10-05 4:38:48 PM  

Xythero: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Robinfro: Dune sucks. The whole timeline is garbled, the premise at BEST would realistically only work for a thousand years before someone on a backwoods planet re-created computers & AI and weaponized them again but with failsafes, and dropped nukes on Space Guild facilities to cripple biological FTL travel.

Humans can't go more than 50-100 years without *some* sort of revolution, whether it be ideologically or militarily, let alone 10,000.

The politics of Dune make no sense.  If there was a substance that everyone was dependent on, say oil, maybe, do you think all the nations would get together and put one nation in charge of it with no other oversight?  The empire and the Landsraad would both have large forces on Arrakis to oversee everything to do with spice, making sure they weren't being cheated of their share.  And no way would they have to venture into the desert in risky missions to obtain it.  Anything that important would never be left to such variable outcomes.  ALL of Arrakis would be covered with self-supporting military bases and the Fremen would be hunted to extinction.  And none of this "the Fremen pay off the space guild to keep satellites away from the deep desert" crap.  It would be 100% a military operation until the Fremen were eradicated.

And unlike oil, spice can be farmed. The worms could be transported to any number of uninhabited desert planets across the galaxy.  It makes no sense to keep the most important substance to humanity on one planet that could easily be destroyed by numerous calamities. Even the invasion to wipe out the Atreides could have done serious damage to the worm population and sent the entire galaxy into crisis.


Addressed in the books. Transporting worms doesn't work untl book 5 when they discover that you have to transport a worm that is about to die and molt. And the worms don't make the spice. The sand plankton make the spice.
 
2022-10-05 5:24:32 PM  
I was invested enough in the originals to slog through the ones that were supposedly based on his father's notes for where the franchise was going.

It turns out that Aquaman was the real Kwisatz Haderach all along.
 
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