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(International Business Times)   MBS' lawyers: Saudi Crown Prince/PM now has immunity in US from Khashoggi lawsuit. Rather convenient, that   (ibtimes.com) divider line
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2022-10-04 8:47:59 PM  
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2022-10-04 10:22:30 PM  
Arrest the farker anyway.  The worst thing* to happen to the US was restoring cheap oil in the 1970s.


*One of many bad things, but still not good!
 
2022-10-04 10:23:49 PM  
Sure, Jan
 
2022-10-04 10:26:47 PM  
The fark is "rfi" and why should I install it?
 
2022-10-04 10:28:35 PM  
Fools, it's not his title, it's that the entire Bush family is literally friends with them, since they were all children. And Liz Cheney is currently necessary to Demoratic party legitimacy among the electorate, and she will always protect a Saudi. Oligarchs all gonna garch. It's all corruption, not international or American law.
 
2022-10-04 10:29:06 PM  
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2022-10-04 10:29:27 PM  
May he meet a bonesaw someday, sans drugs.
 
2022-10-04 10:29:48 PM  

eviljimbo: The fark is "rfi" and why should I install it?


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2022-10-04 10:31:35 PM  
I'll admit that I must be missing something here.  Khashoggi was a citizen of Saudi Arabia whoworked for a US paper overseas, among other jobs.  MBS is a supreme murderous asshole. But why is it so important that the US get involved in Khashoggi's death? Shouldn't this be the purview of Turkey (where he was killed) or Saudi Arabia (where he was a citizen)?
 
2022-10-04 10:35:34 PM  
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2022-10-04 10:38:21 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: eviljimbo: The fark is "rfi" and why should I install it?

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2022-10-04 10:38:34 PM  

ahasp: I'll admit that I must be missing something here.  Khashoggi was a citizen of Saudi Arabia whoworked for a US paper overseas, among other jobs.  MBS is a supreme murderous asshole. But why is it so important that the US get involved in Khashoggi's death? Shouldn't this be the purview of Turkey (where he was killed) or Saudi Arabia (where he was a citizen)?


pretty much just your standard nation-state caught red-handed conducting a political assassination in an embassy, right?
happens all the time.
plus, technically, the embassy is part of saudi arabia, so perhaps turkey has no jurisdiciton.
 
2022-10-04 10:40:18 PM  
Was that part of the deal when Jared Kushner got $2 billion?
 
2022-10-04 10:45:25 PM  
Honestly, I think it is hard not to grant him diplomatic immunity given his effective control of the gov. I'd also say it opens of lawsuits against the nation as he is intertwined. Or diplomacy by other means. Not that anything is going to happen either way.
 
2022-10-04 10:45:51 PM  

ahasp: I'll admit that I must be missing something here.  Khashoggi was a citizen of Saudi Arabia whoworked for a US paper overseas, among other jobs.  MBS is a supreme murderous asshole. But why is it so important that the US get involved in Khashoggi's death? Shouldn't this be the purview of Turkey (where he was killed) or Saudi Arabia (where he was a citizen)?


Khashoggi was a long-term US resident, employee of a major US news organization, and his children are American citizens.

But mostly he was an alum of Indiana State University.

Turkey has kicked the ball back to Saudi courts which acquitted everybody already.

US courts are the proper venue.
 
2022-10-04 10:47:45 PM  

OptimisticCynicism: Honestly, I think it is hard not to grant him diplomatic immunity given his effective control of the gov. I'd also say it opens of lawsuits against the nation as he is intertwined. Or diplomacy by other means. Not that anything is going to happen either way.


People sue dictators in US courts all the time.
 
2022-10-04 10:48:02 PM  
Welcome to the price of lower gasoline prices
 
2022-10-04 10:53:12 PM  

ahasp: I'll admit that I must be missing something here.  Khashoggi was a citizen of Saudi Arabia whoworked for a US paper overseas, among other jobs.  MBS is a supreme murderous asshole. But why is it so important that the US get involved in Khashoggi's death? Shouldn't this be the purview of Turkey (where he was killed) or Saudi Arabia (where he was a citizen)?


There are a couple federal laws that allow foreign nationals to file lawsuits in US courts for certain violations of international law. For example I think this lawsuit is citing the Torture Victims Protection Act (among others), which allows both citizens and noncitizens to sue "individuals who, acting in an official capacity for any foreign nation, committed torture and/or extrajudicial killing".

The goal is generally to adhere to various obligations under international treaties like the UN Charter.

Remember these are civil actions, so no one's getting arrested, and yes, even enforcement of a civil action in these circumstances is difficult. The idea is more to provide a venue for someone to make a public case and get a public judgment.
 
2022-10-04 10:55:20 PM  
Subby, are you trying to suggest MBS may have been involved in some sort of crime? Sure, the book he wrote didn't help...

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2022-10-04 10:56:38 PM  
I have a theory that diplomatic immunity in and of itself wouldn't prevent him from being lured somewhere and sawed up into little pieces.

Might be time for some good old fashioned scientific experimentation to prove or disprove that hypothesis.
 
2022-10-04 10:58:12 PM  

thealgorerhythm: OptimisticCynicism: Honestly, I think it is hard not to grant him diplomatic immunity given his effective control of the gov. I'd also say it opens of lawsuits against the nation as he is intertwined. Or diplomacy by other means. Not that anything is going to happen either way.

People sue dictators in US courts all the time.


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2022-10-04 11:03:00 PM  
you're all just bitter that he won't give you piles of money to play golf.
 
2022-10-04 11:03:57 PM  
I'm sure all that TFG has to do is think about him having immunity and he gets it.
 
2022-10-04 11:07:20 PM  

hissatsu: Subby, are you trying to suggest MBS may have been involved in some sort of crime? Sure, the book he wrote didn't help...

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2022-10-04 11:14:28 PM  
Congratulations Mr. Khashoggi,

You have won a new fishing boat and motor. Please report alone to the Saudi Embassy in Turkey at 1pm Oct 2, 2018 to collect your award.

MBS Marketing
 
2022-10-04 11:17:27 PM  
Diplomatic Immunity seems appropriate.

Just tell him to come to the Diplomatic Immunity Office for a brief interview and we can get those credentials put together in no time.
 
2022-10-04 11:22:47 PM  

ahasp: I'll admit that I must be missing something here.  Khashoggi was a citizen of Saudi Arabia whoworked for a US paper overseas, among other jobs.  MBS is a supreme murderous asshole. But why is it so important that the US get involved in Khashoggi's death? Shouldn't this be the purview of Turkey (where he was killed) or Saudi Arabia (where he was a citizen)?


Yeah, you're missing a lot.
Should have stopped after your first sentence.
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2022-10-04 11:23:53 PM  
Just throw it on the pile of other crap of most likely ANGH ..
 
2022-10-04 11:27:22 PM  

ahasp: I'll admit that I must be missing something here.  Khashoggi was a citizen of Saudi Arabia whoworked for a US paper overseas, among other jobs.  MBS is a supreme murderous asshole. But why is it so important that the US get involved in Khashoggi's death? Shouldn't this be the purview of Turkey (where he was killed) or Saudi Arabia (where he was a citizen)?


He was also a permanent resident in the US and the father of two US citizen children. He was forced to go to the embassy under false pretence so he could get his paperwork sorted out for his application for citizenship and ended up being sawn into pieces alive in the process. That is why.
 
2022-10-04 11:35:07 PM  

thealgorerhythm: ahasp: I'll admit that I must be missing something here.  Khashoggi was a citizen of Saudi Arabia whoworked for a US paper overseas, among other jobs.  MBS is a supreme murderous asshole. But why is it so important that the US get involved in Khashoggi's death? Shouldn't this be the purview of Turkey (where he was killed) or Saudi Arabia (where he was a citizen)?

Khashoggi was a long-term US resident, employee of a major US news organization, and his children are American citizens.

But mostly he was an alum of Indiana State University.

Turkey has kicked the ball back to Saudi courts which acquitted everybody already.

US courts are the proper venue.


they kind-of are if Kashoggi's family wants to sue his US employer for sending him into danger unprepared or alone (negligence); or pushing him into going to a trap (no evidence they did). But it's really hard to see how the USA has any jurisdiction. Being grad of a US college is laugahble - what are you suggesting, that a Saudi diplomat on Saudi soil in Turkey needs to fill out an ethics committee proposalfor his tortures? if so, ISU, not MBS, is the defendant in that lawsuit.
 
2022-10-04 11:35:47 PM  

limeyfellow: ahasp: I'll admit that I must be missing something here.  Khashoggi was a citizen of Saudi Arabia whoworked for a US paper overseas, among other jobs.  MBS is a supreme murderous asshole. But why is it so important that the US get involved in Khashoggi's death? Shouldn't this be the purview of Turkey (where he was killed) or Saudi Arabia (where he was a citizen)?

He was also a permanent resident in the US and the father of two US citizen children. He was forced to go to the embassy under false pretence so he could get his paperwork sorted out for his application for citizenship and ended up being sawn into pieces alive in the process. That is why.


None of which makes what happened to him suddenly magically change jurisdiction.
 
2022-10-04 11:39:12 PM  
Good move to make him head of government, which unlike crown prince is a role traditionally granted status immunity, but I'd think the court could take notice of the lack of good faith here; the change in his roles is blatantly a legal manoeuvre and his actual standing in KSA has not substantively changed in reality.

The crucial factor will be how the US administration responds; even just declining to make a suggestion on this question would probably be taken as giving the court free rein to let the suit continue. Could be a moot point if the court rules for MBS&co on the legitimate jurisdictional/standing issues which IIRC are still outstanding, but I don't know if the court is continuing to deal with that while waiting on the US answer.

Note that even if this weaselling works for MBS, it does nothing for his codefendants.
 
2022-10-04 11:39:14 PM  

limeyfellow: ahasp: I'll admit that I must be missing something here.  Khashoggi was a citizen of Saudi Arabia whoworked for a US paper overseas, among other jobs.  MBS is a supreme murderous asshole. But why is it so important that the US get involved in Khashoggi's death? Shouldn't this be the purview of Turkey (where he was killed) or Saudi Arabia (where he was a citizen)?

He was also a permanent resident in the US and the father of two US citizen children. He was forced to go to the embassy under false pretence so he could get his paperwork sorted out for his application for citizenship and ended up being sawn into pieces alive in the process. That is why.


I remember he had to go into that embassy because he was getting married and needed some kind of documents.
 
2022-10-04 11:45:08 PM  
is he immune to bonesaws though?
 
2022-10-04 11:48:35 PM  

Jumbled: limeyfellow: ahasp: I'll admit that I must be missing something here.  Khashoggi was a citizen of Saudi Arabia whoworked for a US paper overseas, among other jobs.  MBS is a supreme murderous asshole. But why is it so important that the US get involved in Khashoggi's death? Shouldn't this be the purview of Turkey (where he was killed) or Saudi Arabia (where he was a citizen)?

He was also a permanent resident in the US and the father of two US citizen children. He was forced to go to the embassy under false pretence so he could get his paperwork sorted out for his application for citizenship and ended up being sawn into pieces alive in the process. That is why.

I remember he had to go into that embassy because he was getting married and needed some kind of documents.


IIRC a crucial part of the jurisdictional argument is that the lure was set in the USA, Saudi officials assuring him it was safe for him to travel to Turkey for this purpose.

That he was killed before getting that civil marriage squared away raises a pretty legit question as to standing, because it is his wife/fiancee who is suing.
 
2022-10-04 11:49:11 PM  

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Khassogis widow said she was fine with it. And he would have been too. Maintaining diplomacy comes first apparently
 
2022-10-04 11:54:07 PM  

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2022-10-04 11:56:10 PM  

hissatsu: Subby, are you trying to suggest MBS may have been involved in some sort of crime? Sure, the book he wrote didn't help...

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2022-10-05 12:05:18 AM  
This was the first thing in an eventual list of thousands that made me sick to my god damn stomach about that fat clown being our president. That he sat there like an insane child, arms crossed, as they told him what he alreafy knew damn well- That he and Kushner and his sick farked up family were guilty as hell for serving up an innocent man to the Saudi psychos for some kind of massive bribe.
I will NEVER get over that. They murdered that man. Guilt written all over his fat gross titty baby face.
Asshole.
 
2022-10-05 1:01:11 AM  
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2022-10-05 1:13:00 AM  
It doesn't matter what political party we are talking about here, we need Saudi Arabia on "our side". It has been allowed to get away with all sorts of heinous shiat. Remember when it was found to be complicent in the 9/11 attacks and ruled that families of 9/11 victims could sue Saudi Arabia? Yeah, that shiat lasted like what, a week before the Obama administration cowtowed to the threats and at the behest of the Saudi Arabian government. The Biden administration won't do shiat except maybe condemn the actions in a rather circuitous and vague way as to not offend SA too much.
 
2022-10-05 1:23:07 AM  
It's a cut-and-dry case.
 
2022-10-05 7:17:43 AM  
There is solid evidence in dozens of criminal felonious charges against Saudi college students who were studying in the USA while committing their crimes.  When they were charged, the Saudi government assisted them in fleeing the USA.  They also spirit out dozens more Saudis every years.

Give us some of those Saudi student murderers, rapists, and other dangerous criminals, and we'll grant a period of immunity to Bonesaw.
 
2022-10-05 8:00:16 AM  

ahasp: I'll admit that I must be missing something here.  Khashoggi was a citizen of Saudi Arabia whoworked for a US paper overseas, among other jobs.  MBS is a supreme murderous asshole. But why is it so important that the US get involved in Khashoggi's death? Shouldn't this be the purview of Turkey (where he was killed) or Saudi Arabia (where he was a citizen)?


It's because journalists are sacred [makes the gambler sign]
 
2022-10-05 8:42:24 AM  

ahasp: I'll admit that I must be missing something here.  Khashoggi was a citizen of Saudi Arabia whoworked for a US paper overseas, among other jobs.  MBS is a supreme murderous asshole. But why is it so important that the US get involved in Khashoggi's death? Shouldn't this be the purview of Turkey (where he was killed) or Saudi Arabia (where he was a citizen)?


I believe Jarad Kushner gave Khashoggi immunity, on behalf of the US, as part of a commercial real estate deal.  That's enough for the 33% that actually believe TFG is still TG.  Fill a jury with that much doubt and you're not guilty.
 
2022-10-05 8:44:48 AM  
We do the same thing in the US, mind you.
 
2022-10-05 8:57:40 AM  
"That complaint accuses Prince Mohammed of trying to lure Jabri back to Saudi Arabia from exile in Canada -- then, when that didn't work, "deploying a hit squad" to kill him on Canadian soil, a plot foiled when most of the would-be assailants were turned back at the border."

Motherfarker...guess CSIS had their plan.
 
2022-10-05 9:36:57 AM  
His lawyers had previously argued that he "sits at the apex of Saudi Arabia's government" and thus qualifies for the kind of immunity US courts afford foreign heads of state and other high-ranking officials.

We don't actually have such a law, but the Prime Minister thought about it and it is so.
 
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