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(Neowin)   Microsoft is finally rolling out update 22H2 to Windows 11 users. Here's a more-than-just-a-shallow dive into the new features coming your way   (neowin.net) divider line
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621 clicks; posted to STEM » and Main » on 04 Oct 2022 at 2:50 PM (9 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-10-04 1:55:59 PM  
Now with slower file copying!
 
2022-10-04 2:00:26 PM  
Meh, I have to buy a new computer to even install it. Guess I'll stick with Ubuntu.
 
2022-10-04 2:01:03 PM  
Windows 11. lol n00bz
 
2022-10-04 2:11:18 PM  
Will it wipe out all my profiles and make me rebuild my system again?  Those are SO much fun!
 
2022-10-04 2:12:45 PM  
More ads...I still remember when they tried to do this way back in the salad days and everyone lost their minds.  Now....meh.
 
2022-10-04 2:13:34 PM  
OK, I RTFA.  Where are the improvements again?
 
2022-10-04 2:16:46 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: OK, I RTFA.  Where are the improvements again?


"Control Panel" is slowly turning into "Settings"!!  Voila, improvement!

I just wish they would let me default back to the full right-click context menu in File Explorer.  All the stuff I normally do in File Explorer is now on the "Show More Options" menu.  Just give me the option to use that menu instead
 
2022-10-04 2:19:15 PM  

OldRod: Marcus Aurelius: OK, I RTFA.  Where are the improvements again?

"Control Panel" is slowly turning into "Settings"!!  Voila, improvement!

I just wish they would let me default back to the full right-click context menu in File Explorer.  All the stuff I normally do in File Explorer is now on the "Show More Options" menu.  Just give me the option to use that menu instead


There's a way to do that in the Registry.
 
2022-10-04 2:20:10 PM  
I just want to move the taskbar. Damn thing doesn't need to take up the whole bottom of the screen.
 
2022-10-04 2:20:54 PM  
Features? Looks more like Volkswagens to me.
 
2022-10-04 2:21:14 PM  

Unobtanium: OldRod: Marcus Aurelius: OK, I RTFA.  Where are the improvements again?

"Control Panel" is slowly turning into "Settings"!!  Voila, improvement!

I just wish they would let me default back to the full right-click context menu in File Explorer.  All the stuff I normally do in File Explorer is now on the "Show More Options" menu.  Just give me the option to use that menu instead

There's a way to do that in the Registry.


I shouldn't have to go to the Registry to get functionality that's been in every version of Windows up until 11.
 
2022-10-04 2:22:55 PM  

OldRod: Unobtanium: OldRod: Marcus Aurelius: OK, I RTFA.  Where are the improvements again?

"Control Panel" is slowly turning into "Settings"!!  Voila, improvement!

I just wish they would let me default back to the full right-click context menu in File Explorer.  All the stuff I normally do in File Explorer is now on the "Show More Options" menu.  Just give me the option to use that menu instead

There's a way to do that in the Registry.

I shouldn't have to go to the Registry to get functionality that's been in every version of Windows up until 11.


Agreed.
 
2022-10-04 2:50:37 PM  

the Mole of Production: I just want to move the taskbar. Damn thing doesn't need to take up the whole bottom of the screen.


Look into getting a copy of Stardock's Start11. It'll let you do just about anything you want with the taskbar and the start menu.

https://www.stardock.com/products/start11/
 
2022-10-04 2:58:09 PM  
More integrated support for Spotify?
 
2022-10-04 3:04:04 PM  
Unless the firm I work for installs Win 11 in the VM I use, it's nothing I'll ever need to worry about.  I ditched Win 10 at home about a year ago, switching my computers over to Linux Mint one at a time, with the first being the one I use to access the VM over Cisco/Remmina.  No problems at all.

For those must-have Windows applications I still need to use, I have Win 7 and Win 10 installed as VMs using VirtualBox.
 
2022-10-04 3:05:11 PM  
No local accounts out of the box. No easy to opt out telemetry. Threat of more advertisements. This reads more like a list of restrictions then a list of features. Tighter teams and one drive integration.. no thank you. Couldn't be happier then I am right now with Linux Mint at this point. If that gets uppity there are other distros I can hit up since Microsoft can't put out a proper operating system anymore and instead puts out a spyware platform.
 
2022-10-04 3:09:49 PM  

ProfessorTomoe: Look into getting a copy of Stardock's Start11. It'll let you do just about anything you want with the taskbar and the start menu.


Looks like that lets you move it to the top, but not the side. I like it nestled between my two monitors like this:

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2022-10-04 3:22:04 PM  
I sure hope Clippy is back.
 
2022-10-04 3:22:35 PM  

Nimbull: No local accounts out of the box. No easy to opt out telemetry. Threat of more advertisements. This reads more like a list of restrictions then a list of features. Tighter teams and one drive integration.. no thank you. Couldn't be happier then I am right now with Linux Mint at this point. If that gets uppity there are other distros I can hit up since Microsoft can't put out a proper operating system anymore and instead puts out a spyware platform.


Your acting like you expected the new OS to be for you. It is not, it is for Microsoft and their advertisers.
 
2022-10-04 3:25:40 PM  

Stephen_Falken: Windows 11. lol n00bz


I know, right?  I'm already running Windows 95, that's like 84 versions newer.
 
2022-10-04 3:43:33 PM  
Why would subby have found and linked an article written in May about the pending release of the release candidate... For something finally released last week?

The update as a whole is lackluster. It did basically nothing.
 
2022-10-04 3:53:42 PM  

OldRod: Marcus Aurelius: OK, I RTFA.  Where are the improvements again?

"Control Panel" is slowly turning into "Settings"!!  Voila, improvement!

I just wish they would let me default back to the full right-click context menu in File Explorer.  All the stuff I normally do in File Explorer is now on the "Show More Options" menu.  Just give me the option to use that menu instead


Settings wouldn't be so abhorrent if
A) Everything was in there, heaps of network settings are still missing, and when I tried to set up a static IP for a machine, the app configuration kept throwing errors but doing it via IPv4 on the properties just worked fine.
B) I could open multiple settings windows, why can't I open multiple settings windows? If I want to keep something open, say, network connections, but want to view a different setting, why must it "close" my network connection window? I have 2x 4K displays at 100% scaling. 8x 1080p displays! I have a 6 core processor, and 16GB of RAM. I can afford the resources to look at a second window.

THE OPERATING SYSTEM IS CALLED WINDOWS (plural). GIVE ME WINDOWS OR RENAME TO WINDOW.
 
2022-10-04 3:54:01 PM  

Nimbull: No local accounts out of the box.


I just got a new computer the other day. I had to Google a few different articles on how to get around that before it worked, because apparently, MS has been changing or removing the methods with every update. My son was wondering why I was bothering with the effort, when I already have a Microsoft account, and my response was essentially "It's my computer, in my house, that I spent lots of money on. There's no reason whatsoever that I should have to log into an Internet account to use something physically on my desk that isn't a Chromebook"
 
2022-10-04 3:57:36 PM  
You still cannot invoke Task Manager by right-clicking the taskbar, but the app compensates for that with dark mode support and the ability to follow system accent colors.

Huh? That's like saying, "We removed your leg but we compensate for it with a free tattoo."

Removing the Task Manager from the Task Bar right click was super annoying, caught me out a few times, but then it turns out it's just been moved to the right click context of the Start button, so it's not as bad as initially assumed.
 
2022-10-04 4:01:08 PM  

dyhchong: THE OPERATING SYSTEM IS CALLED WINDOWS (plural). GIVE ME WINDOWS OR RENAME TO WINDOW.


Well, I CAN open multiple settings windows so I'm gonna start calling the OS I'm using Linux Mints.
 
2022-10-04 4:04:34 PM  

Nimbull: No local accounts out of the box.


That farking sucks more than anything (to me anyway).  You can still make a local account, but you have to jump through some hoops to get it.  And I'm guessing those hoops will be patched out before long.

FU Microsoft!
 
2022-10-04 5:37:40 PM  
How did people misunderstand quick access?
 
2022-10-04 5:39:19 PM  

dyhchong: OldRod: Marcus Aurelius: OK, I RTFA.  Where are the improvements again?

"Control Panel" is slowly turning into "Settings"!!  Voila, improvement!

I just wish they would let me default back to the full right-click context menu in File Explorer.  All the stuff I normally do in File Explorer is now on the "Show More Options" menu.  Just give me the option to use that menu instead

Settings wouldn't be so abhorrent if
A) Everything was in there, heaps of network settings are still missing, and when I tried to set up a static IP for a machine, the app configuration kept throwing errors but doing it via IPv4 on the properties just worked fine.
B) I could open multiple settings windows, why can't I open multiple settings windows? If I want to keep something open, say, network connections, but want to view a different setting, why must it "close" my network connection window? I have 2x 4K displays at 100% scaling. 8x 1080p displays! I have a 6 core processor, and 16GB of RAM. I can afford the resources to look at a second window.

THE OPERATING SYSTEM IS CALLED WINDOWS (plural). GIVE ME WINDOWS OR RENAME TO WINDOW.


Try middle clicking. I've never had to use multiple settings windows so I don't know if it works and I'm not at my computer right now.
 
2022-10-04 6:28:44 PM  
May 16, 2022 13:16 EDT · HOT!
 
2022-10-04 7:03:15 PM  

ISO15693: May 16, 2022 13:16 EDT · HOT!


Yeah, Windows has been bugging me about installing this update for at least 2 weeks.

At least with Pro, I can ignore it.
 
2022-10-04 7:16:47 PM  

Unobtanium: OldRod: Marcus Aurelius: OK, I RTFA.  Where are the improvements again?

"Control Panel" is slowly turning into "Settings"!!  Voila, improvement!

I just wish they would let me default back to the full right-click context menu in File Explorer.  All the stuff I normally do in File Explorer is now on the "Show More Options" menu.  Just give me the option to use that menu instead

There's a way to do that in the Registry.


Probably. Shouldn't have to though.  Do Windows GUI designers even use their own software or do they just fark stuff up for fun?
 
2022-10-04 7:29:42 PM  

leeksfromchichis: Probably. Shouldn't have to though.  Do Windows GUI designers even use their own software or do they just fark stuff up for fun?


I work in software. From my experience only support ever actually has experience USING the software.
 
2022-10-04 7:30:03 PM  
Also no one listens to support.
 
2022-10-04 8:08:31 PM  

devine: Nimbull: No local accounts out of the box. No easy to opt out telemetry. Threat of more advertisements. This reads more like a list of restrictions then a list of features. Tighter teams and one drive integration.. no thank you. Couldn't be happier then I am right now with Linux Mint at this point. If that gets uppity there are other distros I can hit up since Microsoft can't put out a proper operating system anymore and instead puts out a spyware platform.

Your acting like you expected the new OS to be for you. It is not, it is for Microsoft and their advertisers.


No just useable and more trustworthy.
 
2022-10-04 9:54:28 PM  

Nimbull: devine: Nimbull: No local accounts out of the box. No easy to opt out telemetry. Threat of more advertisements. This reads more like a list of restrictions then a list of features. Tighter teams and one drive integration.. no thank you. Couldn't be happier then I am right now with Linux Mint at this point. If that gets uppity there are other distros I can hit up since Microsoft can't put out a proper operating system anymore and instead puts out a spyware platform.

Your acting like you expected the new OS to be for you. It is not, it is for Microsoft and their advertisers.

No just useable and more trustworthy.


I'm holding out for Windows Terminal.
 
2022-10-04 11:08:42 PM  

RedVentrue: Nimbull: devine: Nimbull: No local accounts out of the box. No easy to opt out telemetry. Threat of more advertisements. This reads more like a list of restrictions then a list of features. Tighter teams and one drive integration.. no thank you. Couldn't be happier then I am right now with Linux Mint at this point. If that gets uppity there are other distros I can hit up since Microsoft can't put out a proper operating system anymore and instead puts out a spyware platform.

Your acting like you expected the new OS to be for you. It is not, it is for Microsoft and their advertisers.

No just useable and more trustworthy.

I'm holding out for Windows Terminal.


Good News!
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/administration/server-core/what-is-server-core
 
2022-10-05 4:03:15 PM  

ProfessorTomoe: the Mole of Production: I just want to move the taskbar. Damn thing doesn't need to take up the whole bottom of the screen.

Look into getting a copy of Stardock's Start11. It'll let you do just about anything you want with the taskbar and the start menu.

https://www.stardock.com/products/start11/


Stardock's own page tells folks that it won't move the taskbar to a vertical position down the left or right side of the monitor like I've been doing since Windows 3.11 for Workgroups. What it does is move the bar to the top or the bottom, and the icons justified left or right on that bar. It's a fancy interface for a registry hack, and even hacking so that the bar does sit left or right down the screen the way it should breaks the bar and icons.

Dual widescreen monitors like the ones I use have a lot more horizontal real estate than vertical. Makes a lot more sense to use that larger amount of space side to side for stuff that needs to be seen all the time than the more limited space top to bottom.
Hard pass on Windows 11 until they fix this.

End-of-life until.
 
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