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2022-10-03 3:18:46 PM  
I was in my hardware store the other day, and they have a 7.62, semi automatic, takes a drum magazine, and folds in half to the minimum barrel length.

That isn't made to do anythin but kill large crowds of people in an urban setting.


And the manufacturer can rot in Hell.
639 bucks and you can sneak it in anywhere.
 
2022-10-03 3:53:35 PM  
don't worry, they just a challenge to undo the 86 ban and the NFA stamp
 
2022-10-03 3:54:06 PM  

zedster: don't worry, they just a challenge to undo the 86 ban and the NFA stamp


want a challenge*
 
2022-10-03 3:56:44 PM  

vudukungfu: I was in my hardware store the other day, and they have a 7.62, semi automatic, takes a drum magazine, and folds in half to the minimum barrel length.

That isn't made to do anythin but kill large crowds of people in an urban setting.


And the manufacturer can rot in Hell.
639 bucks and you can sneak it in anywhere.


If it comforts you at all, that drum mag might hold a metric shiatload of rounds, it's only going to feed a half dozen.
 
2022-10-03 4:09:11 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: vudukungfu: I was in my hardware store the other day, and they have a 7.62, semi automatic, takes a drum magazine, and folds in half to the minimum barrel length.

That isn't made to do anythin but kill large crowds of people in an urban setting.


And the manufacturer can rot in Hell.
639 bucks and you can sneak it in anywhere.

If it comforts you at all, that drum mag might hold a metric shiatload of rounds, it's only going to feed a half dozen.


I want to meet the person who can afford the ammunition to load it. For the non-shooters out there, ammunition is very expensive anymore, if you can even find it.
 
2022-10-03 4:10:56 PM  
This move upheld a promise by then-President Donald Trump to ban the devices
...
"This very same precedent is already being abused by Joe Biden to ban millions of lawfully purchased pistols even without an ACT of Congress!"


Rare you get the direct juxtaposition of Republican hypocrisy displayed in a MSM/BSAB article. Lord Saviour Trump banned bump stocks in the first place, but the real problem is that evil, gun-grabbing Biden.
 
2022-10-03 4:11:10 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: vudukungfu: I was in my hardware store the other day, and they have a 7.62, semi automatic, takes a drum magazine, and folds in half to the minimum barrel length.

That isn't made to do anythin but kill large crowds of people in an urban setting.


And the manufacturer can rot in Hell.
639 bucks and you can sneak it in anywhere.

If it comforts you at all, that drum mag might hold a metric shiatload of rounds, it's only going to feed a half dozen.


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2022-10-03 4:11:25 PM  
That's fine. I think its good for the industry to come out with a ridiculous product from time to time as a sacrifice to the anti-choice activists. Like how film makers put outrageous scenes in their movies just so they have something to cut, in order to get to their intended rating.

Bump stocks are about the dumbest accessory ever produced for guns. No serious gun people used them.

They can have binary triggers too, as far as I'm concerned.
 
2022-10-03 4:14:26 PM  

Magnanimous_J: That's fine. I think its good for the industry to come out with a ridiculous product from time to time as a sacrifice to the anti-choice activists. Like how film makers put outrageous scenes in their movies just so they have something to cut, in order to get to their intended rating.

Bump stocks are about the dumbest accessory ever produced for guns. No serious gun people used them.

They can have binary triggers too, as far as I'm concerned.


Bump stocks are an assist tool for disabled shooters.  Why do you want to deny disabled people their Constitutional rights?

/This is an actual argument that I have seen.
//They never explained how a bump stock assists a disabled shooter.
 
2022-10-03 4:14:35 PM  

Shaggy_C: This move upheld a promise by then-President Donald Trump to ban the devices
...
"This very same precedent is already being abused by Joe Biden to ban millions of lawfully purchased pistols even without an ACT of Congress!"

Rare you get the direct juxtaposition of Republican hypocrisy displayed in a MSM/BSAB article. Lord Saviour Trump banned bump stocks in the first place, but the real problem is that evil, gun-grabbing Biden.


I'm not gonna, like, defend bump stocks, because they're lame and stupid and dangerous.

But it was awfully telling that Trump just executive ordered them out of existence and the NRA and associated gun people didn't even blink.
 
2022-10-03 4:14:49 PM  
"This decision sets a horrible and dangerous precedent, one that will allow the ATF to further arbitrarily regulate various firearms. This very same precedent is already being abused by Joe Biden to ban millions of lawfully purchased pistols even without an ACT of Congress!"

Yes. Yes it does.

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2022-10-03 4:15:01 PM  

Magnanimous_J: That's fine. I think its good for the industry to come out with a ridiculous product from time to time as a sacrifice to the anti-choice activists. Like how film makers put outrageous scenes in their movies just so they have something to cut, in order to get to their intended rating.

Bump stocks are about the dumbest accessory ever produced for guns. No serious gun people used them.

They can have binary triggers too, as far as I'm concerned.


So they took this all the way to the SC to lose in order placate their political opponents? That's a take.
 
2022-10-03 4:15:38 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: vudukungfu: I was in my hardware store the other day, and they have a 7.62, semi automatic, takes a drum magazine, and folds in half to the minimum barrel length.

That isn't made to do anythin but kill large crowds of people in an urban setting.


And the manufacturer can rot in Hell.
639 bucks and you can sneak it in anywhere.

If it comforts you at all, that drum mag might hold a metric shiatload of rounds, it's only going to feed a half dozen.


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2022-10-03 4:17:32 PM  
what was the vote?
 
2022-10-03 4:17:41 PM  
Surprising from this court. Nice to see.

Weird go-to for gun lobbyists by ABC -

This very same precedent is already being abused by Joe Biden to ban millions of lawfully purchased pistols even without an ACT of Congress!" Gun Owners of America Tweeted in a statement.

From the Southern Poverty Law Center:

"Larry Pratt, a gun rights absolutist whose Gun Owners of America (GOA) has been described as "eight lanes to the right" of the National Rifle Association, may well be the person who brought the concept of citizen militias to the radical right.
In 1990, Pratt wrote a book, Armed People Victorious, based on his study of "citizen defense patrols" used in Guatemala and the Philippines against Communist rebels - patrols that came to be known as death squads for their murderous brutality.
Picturing these groups in rosy terms, Pratt advocated similar militias in the United States - an idea that finally caught on when he was invited for a meeting of 160 extremists, including many famous white supremacists, in 1992.
It was at that meeting, hosted in Colorado by white supremacist minister Pete Peters, that the contours of the militia movement were laid out.
Pratt, whose GOA has grown since its 1975 founding to some 150,000 members today, hit the headlines in a big way when his associations with Peters and other professional racists were revealed, convincing arch-conservative Pat Buchanan to eject him as a national co-chair of Buchanan's 1996 presidential campaign.

The same year, it emerged that Pratt was a contributing editor to a periodical of the anti-Semitic United Sovereigns of America, and that his GOA had donated money to a white supremacist attorney's group.
Pratt is today close to the extremist Constitution Party and its radical theology."


Probably tough to find a non-crazy firearm owners group that has a real problem with this ruling though.
 
2022-10-03 4:18:06 PM  
What's weird is that the bump-stock is considered a 'gun' - all by itself.
 
2022-10-03 4:19:14 PM  
Looks like they're going to have to postpone the civil war for a bit.
 
2022-10-03 4:21:02 PM  
TFA: More than 500,000 Americans who previously purchased a bump stock will be required to turn it in or destroy it

As nice as the ban is, good luck with enforcing that, ATF...
 
2022-10-03 4:21:32 PM  

Dimensio: Bump stocks are an assist tool for disabled shooters.  Why do you want to deny disabled people their Constitutional rights?

/This is an actual argument that I have seen.
//They never explained how a bump stock assists a disabled shooter.


Some people can't hit the broad side of the barn and need that, most of those "disabled" are republicans and are also "above" gun safely rules.
 
2022-10-03 4:21:34 PM  
The theocrats on the court probably thought that it might look a little too on the nose to take up that challenge what with the recent anniversary of the Vegas shooting having passed.
 
2022-10-03 4:22:55 PM  

zedster: don't worry, they just a challenge to undo the 86 ban and the NFA stamp


It would be a very interesting experiment for the country if those 2 things were dropped.
 
2022-10-03 4:23:16 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Noticeably F.A.T.: vudukungfu: I was in my hardware store the other day, and they have a 7.62, semi automatic, takes a drum magazine, and folds in half to the minimum barrel length.

That isn't made to do anythin but kill large crowds of people in an urban setting.


And the manufacturer can rot in Hell.
639 bucks and you can sneak it in anywhere.

If it comforts you at all, that drum mag might hold a metric shiatload of rounds, it's only going to feed a half dozen.

I want to meet the person who can afford the ammunition to load it. For the non-shooters out there, ammunition is very expensive anymore, if you can even find it.


I was at a friend's house the other day when he came home with a box of .45 ammo, maybe 30 rounds? Price tag on it was $70 and I laughed and laughed.
 
2022-10-03 4:24:01 PM  

vudukungfu: I was in my hardware store the other day, and they have a 7.62, semi automatic, takes a drum magazine, and folds in half to the minimum barrel length.

That isn't made to do anythin but kill large crowds of people in an urban setting.


And the manufacturer can rot in Hell.
639 bucks and you can sneak it in anywhere.


What are you talking about??? Kill crowds of people.

Sheesh, it's like you've never been hunting. I almost always need hundreds of rounds to take down the wild forest beasts that are coming right for me.

/s
 
2022-10-03 4:26:03 PM  
Has Don Jr. snorted out a video whining about this decision yet?
 
2022-10-03 4:26:25 PM  
This move upheld a promise by then-President Donald Trump to ban the devices

Maybe this is why SCOTUS is letting the ban stand.
 
2022-10-03 4:26:32 PM  
Keep putting massive public pressure on these a*holes. They're starting to get unglued at the criticism. If nothing else make their lives miserable. Make them realize that their choices have very public consequences.  They've been immune from that for too long. Alito, Thomas, etc surround themselves with like-minded individuals to the point that they don't realize they are the minority.  Make them sweat every decision.
 
2022-10-03 4:26:59 PM  

Magnanimous_J: That's fine. I think its good for the industry to come out with a ridiculous product from time to time as a sacrifice to the anti-choice activists. Like how film makers put outrageous scenes in their movies just so they have something to cut, in order to get to their intended rating.

Bump stocks are about the dumbest accessory ever produced for guns. No serious gun people used them.

They can have binary triggers too, as far as I'm concerned.


What non-serious gun people look like
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2022-10-03 4:31:18 PM  
They're worried enough about their legacy to throw some easy wins to not-Publicans, ie, people with common sense. But not worried enough to forego screwing over the American peopple in the biggest ways possible.

This is theater. This is them saying "ok, here's a bone, go chew on it and fark off."
 
2022-10-03 4:31:53 PM  
Fair enough.  Those things are inherently inaccurate and just use up a lot of ammunition.
 
2022-10-03 4:33:56 PM  

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: what was the vote?


We don't know the exact details, but I think it only takes 4 to agree to take the case, so it would be 6-3 or greater.
 
2022-10-03 4:35:32 PM  

Myria: TFA: More than 500,000 Americans who previously purchased a bump stock will be required to turn it in or destroy it

As nice as the ban is, good luck with enforcing that, ATF...


If a few bad guys with guns die while collecting them, all the better.
 
2022-10-03 4:40:48 PM  

Dimensio: Magnanimous_J: That's fine. I think its good for the industry to come out with a ridiculous product from time to time as a sacrifice to the anti-choice activists. Like how film makers put outrageous scenes in their movies just so they have something to cut, in order to get to their intended rating.

Bump stocks are about the dumbest accessory ever produced for guns. No serious gun people used them.

They can have binary triggers too, as far as I'm concerned.

Bump stocks are an assist tool for disabled shooters.  Why do you want to deny disabled people their Constitutional rights?

/This is an actual argument that I have seen.
//They never explained how a bump stock assists a disabled shooter.


Well, they let one handed people bump-fire.

I was against banning bump stocks from the beginning because you really just need two hands and the gun to do what they do, but now that they're banned I don't understand challenging that for the same reason.  You only need two hands and the gun.

And honestly, even a one handed person with a little ingenuity could probably find a way to do it without falling afoul of the ATF's shoestring machine gun rules
 
2022-10-03 4:41:40 PM  

vudukungfu: I was in my hardware store the other day, and they have a 7.62, semi automatic, takes a drum magazine, and folds in half to the minimum barrel length.

That isn't made to do anythin but kill large crowds of people in an urban setting.


And the manufacturer can rot in Hell.
639 bucks and you can sneak it in anywhere.


Singletons? I knew they had ammo and some firearms, but an under folder AK with drum mag for 649 is a pretty good price even if it is probably a Century Arms import.
 
2022-10-03 4:48:47 PM  
Uh, hey numbnuts on the right of that image? The Second Amendment doesn't say shiat about self defense. It literally is a single sentence saying that a well regulated militia has the right to have firearms for the protection of the freedom of the state (country). Someone breaking into your house isn't exactly a threat to the country, it's a threat to your shiat you bought.

And let's face it, you're far more likely to express your "freedum" upon an innocent PoC judging by the fact you think bump stocks are something you need.
 
2022-10-03 4:54:27 PM  

Dafatone: Shaggy_C: This move upheld a promise by then-President Donald Trump to ban the devices
...
"This very same precedent is already being abused by Joe Biden to ban millions of lawfully purchased pistols even without an ACT of Congress!"

Rare you get the direct juxtaposition of Republican hypocrisy displayed in a MSM/BSAB article. Lord Saviour Trump banned bump stocks in the first place, but the real problem is that evil, gun-grabbing Biden.

I'm not gonna, like, defend bump stocks, because they're lame and stupid and dangerous.

But it was awfully telling that Trump just executive ordered them out of existence and the NRA and associated gun people didn't even blink.


As I recall, someone mowed down a bunch of people from a hotel balcony using a bump stock, and when the discussion came up to ban them, even the NRA didn't oppose. They serve no purpose to sportsmen or anyone else except mass murderers.
 
2022-10-03 4:56:03 PM  

Puglio: Dafatone: Shaggy_C: This move upheld a promise by then-President Donald Trump to ban the devices
...
"This very same precedent is already being abused by Joe Biden to ban millions of lawfully purchased pistols even without an ACT of Congress!"

Rare you get the direct juxtaposition of Republican hypocrisy displayed in a MSM/BSAB article. Lord Saviour Trump banned bump stocks in the first place, but the real problem is that evil, gun-grabbing Biden.

I'm not gonna, like, defend bump stocks, because they're lame and stupid and dangerous.

But it was awfully telling that Trump just executive ordered them out of existence and the NRA and associated gun people didn't even blink.

As I recall, someone mowed down a bunch of people from a hotel balcony using a bump stock, and when the discussion came up to ban them, even the NRA didn't oppose. They serve no purpose to sportsmen or anyone else except mass murderers.


And dipshiats looking to waste tons of ammo.
 
2022-10-03 4:56:34 PM  

Magnanimous_J: No serious gun people used them


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2022-10-03 4:56:57 PM  

zedster: zedster: don't worry, they just a challenge to undo the 86 ban and the NFA stamp

want a challenge*


Not this year. Robert's probably told them if they want anyone to listen they'd better STFU for the rest of this year.
 
2022-10-03 4:59:16 PM  

Someone Else's Alt: Puglio: Dafatone: Shaggy_C: This move upheld a promise by then-President Donald Trump to ban the devices
...
"This very same precedent is already being abused by Joe Biden to ban millions of lawfully purchased pistols even without an ACT of Congress!"

Rare you get the direct juxtaposition of Republican hypocrisy displayed in a MSM/BSAB article. Lord Saviour Trump banned bump stocks in the first place, but the real problem is that evil, gun-grabbing Biden.

I'm not gonna, like, defend bump stocks, because they're lame and stupid and dangerous.

But it was awfully telling that Trump just executive ordered them out of existence and the NRA and associated gun people didn't even blink.

As I recall, someone mowed down a bunch of people from a hotel balcony using a bump stock, and when the discussion came up to ban them, even the NRA didn't oppose. They serve no purpose to sportsmen or anyone else except mass murderers.

And dipshiats looking to waste tons of ammo.


Which, in the defense of dipshiats only and not of the gun parts, is really fun for a few seconds at a time.

/I've experienced those few seconds of fun, but these days if I wanted to blow a few hundred bucks in under a minute I'd head down to the Bunny Ranch
//Hey-o
 
2022-10-03 5:02:20 PM  

replacementcool: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Noticeably F.A.T.: vudukungfu: I was in my hardware store the other day, and they have a 7.62, semi automatic, takes a drum magazine, and folds in half to the minimum barrel length.

That isn't made to do anythin but kill large crowds of people in an urban setting.


And the manufacturer can rot in Hell.
639 bucks and you can sneak it in anywhere.

If it comforts you at all, that drum mag might hold a metric shiatload of rounds, it's only going to feed a half dozen.

I want to meet the person who can afford the ammunition to load it. For the non-shooters out there, ammunition is very expensive anymore, if you can even find it.

I was at a friend's house the other day when he came home with a box of .45 ammo, maybe 30 rounds? Price tag on it was $70 and I laughed and laughed.


Good grief. That $70 would last longer at an arcade or a local amusement park or even a good whiskey bar than it would on a pistol range.

That is one expensive hobby.
 
2022-10-03 5:03:47 PM  

Dr. Bison: Surprising from this court. Nice to see.

Weird go-to for gun lobbyists by ABC -

This very same precedent is already being abused by Joe Biden to ban millions of lawfully purchased pistols even without an ACT of Congress!" Gun Owners of America Tweeted in a statement.

From the Southern Poverty Law Center:

"Larry Pratt, a gun rights absolutist whose Gun Owners of America (GOA) has been described as "eight lanes to the right" of the National Rifle Association, may well be the person who brought the concept of citizen militias to the radical right.
In 1990, Pratt wrote a book, Armed People Victorious, based on his study of "citizen defense patrols" used in Guatemala and the Philippines against Communist rebels - patrols that came to be known as death squads for their murderous brutality.
Picturing these groups in rosy terms, Pratt advocated similar militias in the United States - an idea that finally caught on when he was invited for a meeting of 160 extremists, including many famous white supremacists, in 1992.
It was at that meeting, hosted in Colorado by white supremacist minister Pete Peters, that the contours of the militia movement were laid out.
Pratt, whose GOA has grown since its 1975 founding to some 150,000 members today, hit the headlines in a big way when his associations with Peters and other professional racists were revealed, convincing arch-conservative Pat Buchanan to eject him as a national co-chair of Buchanan's 1996 presidential campaign.

The same year, it emerged that Pratt was a contributing editor to a periodical of the anti-Semitic United Sovereigns of America, and that his GOA had donated money to a white supremacist attorney's group.
Pratt is today close to the extremist Constitution Party and its radical theology."

Probably tough to find a non-crazy firearm owners group that has a real problem with this ruling though.


Just how - how does any rational thought wind its way through a brain so full of hate? 'What do I want on my sandwich? Did I lock the back door? I need to get gas.' can't possibly get filtered through such ugliness.
 
2022-10-03 5:08:08 PM  

clkeagle: replacementcool: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Noticeably F.A.T.: vudukungfu: I was in my hardware store the other day, and they have a 7.62, semi automatic, takes a drum magazine, and folds in half to the minimum barrel length.

That isn't made to do anythin but kill large crowds of people in an urban setting.


And the manufacturer can rot in Hell.
639 bucks and you can sneak it in anywhere.

If it comforts you at all, that drum mag might hold a metric shiatload of rounds, it's only going to feed a half dozen.

I want to meet the person who can afford the ammunition to load it. For the non-shooters out there, ammunition is very expensive anymore, if you can even find it.

I was at a friend's house the other day when he came home with a box of .45 ammo, maybe 30 rounds? Price tag on it was $70 and I laughed and laughed.

Good grief. That $70 would last longer at an arcade or a local amusement park or even a good whiskey bar than it would on a pistol range.

That is one expensive hobby.


That's $70 in NZD so only 40 USD but it's still way more than I'd spend on a hobby, and he *literally* does not even go shooting. He just has a gun to have a gun.
 
2022-10-03 5:13:54 PM  

Shaggy_C: "This very same precedent is already being abused by Joe Biden to ban millions of lawfully purchased pistols even without an ACT of Congress!"


If this refers to the attempt some manufacturers have made to not have their products classed as NFA registrable short barreled rifles by claiming that the the rifle is a pistol, and the shoulder stock is merely a brace, I have no idea how the fark they thought they were going to get away with that. Shoulder stocks for pistols are subject to the NFA, too, and as far as calling it a "brace"? fark those people. It looks like a shoulder stock, it is a shoulder stock.
 
2022-10-03 5:17:30 PM  

Myria: TFA: More than 500,000 Americans who previously purchased a bump stock will be required to turn it in or destroy it

As nice as the ban is, good luck with enforcing that, ATF...


I've been assured that gun owners are the most responsible and law abiding citizens ever. (Well except for those people that generally are just horrible urban yutes that ruin it for everyone else).

So wouldn't all these super patriotic gun nuts, er, gun enthusiasts immediately act to comply with laws and regulations?
 
2022-10-03 5:18:54 PM  
I mean, cool, but... man it kinda hits me weird.  They're handing down all these bad decisions in the last few months and then when they're faced with another gun case they're like... yeaaaaahhhhhhh maybe bigger badder guns isn't a good idea right now.
 
2022-10-03 5:21:01 PM  

Lindseys Lil Ladybugs: Magnanimous_J: No serious gun people used them

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No serious alive gun people.
 
2022-10-03 5:29:05 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Which, in the defense of dipshiats only and not of the gun parts, is really fun for a few seconds at a time.


One of the most entertaining days I had in my military career was like that. They stood up our unit from scratch and we got a delivery of brand new gear. First Sergeant wanted us to heat up every firearm before we even zeroed, so we scrubbed off the packing grease as best we could and went to the range.

I forget the exact details, but we shot something like 90 rounds through every M-4, and either a full belt (200 rounds) or a half belt through the machine guns. We just burned through ammo (your tax dollars at work). We had targets up but nobody cared, and it was basically amazing.

My 9mm only mis-fed once in 2 magazines.
 
2022-10-03 5:34:27 PM  
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2022-10-03 5:41:44 PM  
"More than 500,000 Americans who previously purchased a bump stock will be required to turn it in or destroy it, gun advocacy groups have said."

I'm sure they'll get right on that.
 
2022-10-03 5:51:00 PM  

Dimensio: Magnanimous_J: That's fine. I think its good for the industry to come out with a ridiculous product from time to time as a sacrifice to the anti-choice activists. Like how film makers put outrageous scenes in their movies just so they have something to cut, in order to get to their intended rating.

Bump stocks are about the dumbest accessory ever produced for guns. No serious gun people used them.

They can have binary triggers too, as far as I'm concerned.

Bump stocks are an assist tool for disabled shooters.  Why do you want to deny disabled people their Constitutional rights?

/This is an actual argument that I have seen.
//They never explained how a bump stock assists a disabled shooter.


If you're disabled and want to shoot a load of kids, you're at a disadvantage to a fully able shooter. It's just science.
 
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