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2022-10-03 12:40:14 PM  
It's been pre-disastered!
 
2022-10-03 1:43:26 PM  
That movie is Terribly Sexy...Well actually it's terribly sad too...

/John Lithgow was just awesome too..
 
2022-10-03 1:46:48 PM  
Just a couple days after a helicopter flew into another house. What's up with these pilots? Were they high?

/well they were before they crashed, then they got quite low
 
2022-10-03 1:47:31 PM  
Robin Williams...
 
2022-10-03 1:47:44 PM  
Whoa, yikes.

KDLH 020355Z 08010G19KT 5SM BR OVC002 09/08 A3038 RMK AO2 SLP296 T00940083

That's some pretty crappy conditions.
 
2022-10-03 1:48:26 PM  
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2022-10-03 1:48:29 PM  

Mr. Shabooboo: That movie is Terribly Sexy...Well actually it's terribly sad too...

/John Lithgow was just awesome too..


Lithgow is such a great talent, and I think underappreciated. Wife and I finished watching the first season of "The Old Man" a few weeks back. The scenes with Lithgows character and his "adopted" daughter were fantastic. It was like watching a masterclass of subtlety in acting.

He's got great comedy chops (3rd Rock From the Sun, for example) and can do everything from psychological horror to drama as well.
 
2022-10-03 1:48:31 PM  
In Minnesota, you should always be prepared for guests to just drop in.
 
2022-10-03 1:50:00 PM  
I'll bet the investigation will show the pilot was getting oral from a passenger at the time of the crash.
 
2022-10-03 1:50:26 PM  
Somebody VFR'd when they should have IFR'd
 
2022-10-03 1:50:31 PM  
Jeepers, this is the second Garp-like thing I've seen today!

/the chomped off penis from the war thread is assumed
//I just remembered they had to wire her jaw in the movie after😂
 
2022-10-03 1:54:08 PM  

chewd: Somebody VFR'd when they should have IFR'd


Based on the conditions, I do wonder if that's the case (i.e., not IFR rated).
 
2022-10-03 1:57:18 PM  
Mind your cock.
 
2022-10-03 1:58:33 PM  
The world according to Garp
Youtube DBSAeqdcZAM
 
2022-10-03 1:58:34 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: chewd: Somebody VFR'd when they should have IFR'd

Based on the conditions, I do wonder if that's the case (i.e., not IFR rated).


Cessna 172... theres a good chance the pilot wasnt IFR rated.,,, probably did a scud run diverting to Duluth Intl when he couldnt get into his regular home airport.... assuming he'd be able to see their lights thru the fog.

/been there.
//well except for the "crashing into a house" part
///learned a very valuable lesson that day.
 
2022-10-03 1:59:01 PM  
Apparently he filed an IFR flight plan. Even so,  those conditions are pretty bad for single-pilot IFR at night.
 
2022-10-03 2:10:34 PM  

RyansPrivates: Mr. Shabooboo: That movie is Terribly Sexy...Well actually it's terribly sad too...

/John Lithgow was just awesome too..

Lithgow is such a great talent, and I think underappreciated. Wife and I finished watching the first season of "The Old Man" a few weeks back. The scenes with Lithgows character and his "adopted" daughter were fantastic. It was like watching a masterclass of subtlety in acting.

He's got great comedy chops (3rd Rock From the Sun, for example) and can do everything from psychological horror to drama as well.


He was amazing in the final season of Dexter.
 
2022-10-03 2:14:39 PM  
10/2

 
2022-10-03 2:16:41 PM  

RyansPrivates: Mr. Shabooboo: That movie is Terribly Sexy...Well actually it's terribly sad too...

/John Lithgow was just awesome too..

Lithgow is such a great talent, and I think underappreciated. Wife and I finished watching the first season of "The Old Man" a few weeks back. The scenes with Lithgows character and his "adopted" daughter were fantastic. It was like watching a masterclass of subtlety in acting.

He's got great comedy chops (3rd Rock From the Sun, for example) and can do everything from psychological horror to drama as well.


Won an Emmy for by far the best season of Dexter. Also, watch Raising Cain if you've never seen it. 
Raising Cain (1992) - Official Trailer
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2022-10-03 2:18:37 PM  

Charlie Freak: Apparently he filed an IFR flight plan. Even so,  those conditions are pretty bad for single-pilot IFR at night.


Or that lol
 
2022-10-03 2:35:32 PM  

Mr. Shabooboo: That movie is Terribly Sexy...Well actually it's terribly sad too...

/John Lithgow was just awesome too..


That is a film/book I would love to see remade/reinterpreted in the present.
 
2022-10-03 2:47:03 PM  
It's unclear why the plane went down.

My guess would be gravity.
 
2022-10-03 2:58:54 PM  
Well done, subby.
 
2022-10-03 2:59:44 PM  
I did something similar once. Took off for my three touch-and-goes, then asked the tower if I could go shoot the VOR for a little navigational practice. Didn't notice the clouds rolling in, until I couldn't see the VOR. Had to drop down a bit so I could, then noticed the field (LWS) was socked in, or so it appeared. White-knuckle flying the five miles back to 8/26 (the longer runway which the tower guys guided me to), and saw that the field was clear. Reduced my speed, set my flaps, and entered the pattern for short final. I literally kissed the ground when the plane stopped rolling.

Lesson Learned™: Whether you're a student, or experienced pilot, bad weather can roll in real farking quick. Always have a backup plan, and/or get back on the ground as quickly as possible...preferably in one piece.
 
2022-10-03 3:02:05 PM  
Good one subs.
 
2022-10-03 3:02:47 PM  
/thankfully, I didn't crash into a house :P
 
2022-10-03 3:04:34 PM  
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2022-10-03 3:15:03 PM  

Charlie Freak: Whoa, yikes.

KDLH 020355Z 08010G19KT 5SM BR OVC002 09/08 A3038 RMK AO2 SLP296 T00940083

That's some pretty crappy conditions.


It's been 20 years since I wrote a parser for weather reports... let's see how much I remember:

KDLH location
020355Z time, in GMT
08010G19KT 10 knot winds gusting to 19 knots at 80 degrees (East?)
5SM 5 mile visibility
BR rain?
OVC002 overcast (at 2 miles?)
09/08 temperature and dew point in celcius (so really saturated, so the rain is probably wrong)
A3038 barometric pressure
RMK remark (so non-required stuff past this point)
AO2 ?? (I think this was where I usually saw 'A0K' when it was supposed to be 'AOK'.  No clue what the 2 is
SLP296 ??
T00940083 ??
 
2022-10-03 3:21:55 PM  
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2022-10-03 3:29:49 PM  

Oneiros: Charlie Freak: Whoa, yikes.

KDLH 020355Z 08010G19KT 5SM BR OVC002 09/08 A3038 RMK AO2 SLP296 T00940083

That's some pretty crappy conditions.

It's been 20 years since I wrote a parser for weather reports... let's see how much I remember:

KDLH location
020355Z time, in GMT
08010G19KT 10 knot winds gusting to 19 knots at 80 degrees (East?)
5SM 5 mile visibility
BR rain?
OVC002 overcast (at 2 miles?)
09/08 temperature and dew point in celcius (so really saturated, so the rain is probably wrong)
A3038 barometric pressure
RMK remark (so non-required stuff past this point)
AO2 ?? (I think this was where I usually saw 'A0K' when it was supposed to be 'AOK'.  No clue what the 2 is
SLP296 ??
T00940083 ??


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2022-10-03 3:37:34 PM  

Oneiros: Charlie Freak: Whoa, yikes.

KDLH 020355Z 08010G19KT 5SM BR OVC002 09/08 A3038 RMK AO2 SLP296 T00940083

That's some pretty crappy conditions.

It's been 20 years since I wrote a parser for weather reports... let's see how much I remember:

KDLH location
020355Z time, in GMT
08010G19KT 10 knot winds gusting to 19 knots at 80 degrees (East?)
5SM 5 mile visibility
BR rain?
OVC002 overcast (at 2 miles?)
09/08 temperature and dew point in celcius (so really saturated, so the rain is probably wrong)
A3038 barometric pressure
RMK remark (so non-required stuff past this point)
AO2 ?? (I think this was where I usually saw 'A0K' when it was supposed to be 'AOK'.  No clue what the 2 is
SLP296 ??
T00940083 ??


BR is mist

AO2 is an automated station with a precipitation discriminator

SLP is sea level pressure (1296mb), which is pretty much only used to ensure the adjacent stations are all in-line with calibration.

T00940083 is temperature 9.4°C, dewpoint 8.3°C (hence the low ceiling and reduced visibility in mist)
 
2022-10-03 3:42:12 PM  

kb7rky: Didn't notice the clouds rolling in, until I couldn't see the VOR.


Were you doing VOR navigation by looking at the VOR transmitter building?
 
2022-10-03 3:59:34 PM  

RyansPrivates: Mr. Shabooboo: That movie is Terribly Sexy...Well actually it's terribly sad too...

/John Lithgow was just awesome too..

Lithgow is such a great talent, and I think underappreciated. Wife and I finished watching the first season of "The Old Man" a few weeks back. The scenes with Lithgows character and his "adopted" daughter were fantastic. It was like watching a masterclass of subtlety in acting.

He's got great comedy chops (3rd Rock From the Sun, for example) and can do everything from psychological horror to drama as well.


He is a ridiculously scary villain in Dexter
 
2022-10-03 4:12:10 PM  

Charlie Freak: Oneiros: Charlie Freak: Whoa, yikes.

KDLH 020355Z 08010G19KT 5SM BR OVC002 09/08 A3038 RMK AO2 SLP296 T00940083

That's some pretty crappy conditions.

It's been 20 years since I wrote a parser for weather reports... let's see how much I remember:

KDLH location
020355Z time, in GMT
08010G19KT 10 knot winds gusting to 19 knots at 80 degrees (East?)
5SM 5 mile visibility
BR rain?
OVC002 overcast (at 2 miles?)
09/08 temperature and dew point in celcius (so really saturated, so the rain is probably wrong)
A3038 barometric pressure
RMK remark (so non-required stuff past this point)
AO2 ?? (I think this was where I usually saw 'A0K' when it was supposed to be 'AOK'.  No clue what the 2 is
SLP296 ??
T00940083 ??

BR is mist

AO2 is an automated station with a precipitation discriminator

SLP is sea level pressure (1296mb), which is pretty much only used to ensure the adjacent stations are all in-line with calibration.

T00940083 is temperature 9.4°C, dewpoint 8.3°C (hence the low ceiling and reduced visibility in mist)


Sorry, 1029.6mb
 
2022-10-03 4:13:59 PM  
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2022-10-03 4:15:18 PM  

Fano: RyansPrivates: Mr. Shabooboo: That movie is Terribly Sexy...Well actually it's terribly sad too...

/John Lithgow was just awesome too..

Lithgow is such a great talent, and I think underappreciated. Wife and I finished watching the first season of "The Old Man" a few weeks back. The scenes with Lithgows character and his "adopted" daughter were fantastic. It was like watching a masterclass of subtlety in acting.

He's got great comedy chops (3rd Rock From the Sun, for example) and can do everything from psychological horror to drama as well.

He is a ridiculously scary villain in Dexter


Yeah, between that and Raising Cain (mentioned above) he is scary as hell. He even get's scary in the "I will have you killed and buried somewhere and nobody will ever hear from you again" in The Old Man. You know that he wouldn't be the one committing the violence, but he damned well can order someone else to.
 
2022-10-03 4:49:21 PM  

Oneiros: OVC002 overcast (at 2 miles?)


Overcast clouds 200ft above the ground.
 
2022-10-03 4:56:22 PM  

thedumbone: Oneiros: OVC002 overcast (at 2 miles?)

Overcast clouds 200ft above the ground.


Correct, and that's the biggest alarm bell here. 200' is LOW, you are in the clouds no more than 10-20 seconds after takeoff. Add an immediate right turn and going from a brightly-lit runway into a black hole, and it's a really good setup for spatial disorientation. Even moreso if you're troubleshooting anything that went wrong on or after your takeoff roll (or just being so far behind the aircraft you might as well be hanging on to the tail tie down ring).
 
2022-10-03 5:44:46 PM  

thedumbone: Oneiros: OVC002 overcast (at 2 miles?)

Overcast clouds 200ft above the ground.


Ah right.  That's a more sensible unit.  Although the mixing of SI units (Celcius, mm of mercury (x100)) with statute miles, knots, 100s feet, etc, seemed weird to me.

You could also tell that people were reading it and not relying on automated parsing when I did the work 20 years ago.  A0K vs AOK, stuff occasionally in the wrong order, etc.

Hopefully they've cleaned up those sites
 
2022-10-03 5:46:32 PM  

GregInIndy: Mr. Shabooboo: That movie is Terribly Sexy...Well actually it's terribly sad too...

/John Lithgow was just awesome too..

That is a film/book I would love to see remade/reinterpreted in the present.


Lol. No. Just no.

Who is gonna cast that better thab robin williams? Any attempt will be foolish
 
2022-10-03 7:05:33 PM  

Charlie Freak: kb7rky: Didn't notice the clouds rolling in, until I couldn't see the VOR.

Were you doing VOR navigation by looking at the VOR transmitter building?


Yeah...just goofing around mostly, building hours in the left seat. I knew where it was physically located, and was using the NAV radio to fly in big circles around the area. I also had to keep an eye out for approaching traffic, but I was so engrossed in the indicators that I lost track of a few things...like the cloud deck moving down.

I still had enough altitude, so I wasn't too worried about slamming into a mountain. Plenty of relatively flat farmland to set down in if I had to.
 
2022-10-03 8:53:57 PM  
So I'm amazed at the damage the house suffered, the 172 has a max GVWR of 2,500 pounds and a cruise speed of 180k (and bring that close to the airport likely slower), basically the house got hit by a huayra bc (supercar) at less than top speed. I wouldn't expect that kind of crash to destroy half of an entire story of an ~4k sq foot house.
 
2022-10-03 8:55:27 PM  

robodog: So I'm amazed at the damage the house suffered, the 172 has a max GVWR of 2,500 pounds and a cruise speed of 180k (and bring that close to the airport likely slower), basically the house got hit by a huayra bc (supercar) at less than top speed. I wouldn't expect that kind of crash to destroy half of an entire story of an ~4k sq foot house.


JeT FueL CaNT MeLT StEeL BeAms!
 
2022-10-03 9:07:28 PM  

Tax Boy: robodog: So I'm amazed at the damage the house suffered, the 172 has a max GVWR of 2,500 pounds and a cruise speed of 180k (and bring that close to the airport likely slower), basically the house got hit by a huayra bc (supercar) at less than top speed. I wouldn't expect that kind of crash to destroy half of an entire story of an ~4k sq foot house.

JeT FueL CaNT MeLT StEeL BeAms!


Hehe, didn't say it couldn't have been, just amazed at how much damage it took. My guess would be the rafters weren't tied to the upper sil plate with hurricane/tornado straps and so they shifted and transfered the load to the back 2nd floor wall in a way it couldn't handle and you had a cascading failure in excess of what the momentum of the plane alone should have done.
 
2022-10-03 10:07:08 PM  

Charlie Freak: thedumbone: Oneiros: OVC002 overcast (at 2 miles?)

Overcast clouds 200ft above the ground.

Correct, and that's the biggest alarm bell here. 200' is LOW, you are in the clouds no more than 10-20 seconds after takeoff. Add an immediate right turn and going from a brightly-lit runway into a black hole, and it's a really good setup for spatial disorientation. Even moreso if you're troubleshooting anything that went wrong on or after your takeoff roll (or just being so far behind the aircraft you might as well be hanging on to the tail tie down ring).


At this point it could be any number of things and maybe combinations.  My current guess is disorientation, distraction and resulting failure to maintain airspeed.  But just guesses.
 
2022-10-03 10:41:05 PM  
Ah, so we're in that timeline. No worries, it'll be reset to kill one of the house occupants soon enough.

On October 2, 1988, troubled teenager Donald "Donnie" Darko sleepwalks outside, led by a mysterious voice. Once outside, he meets a figure in a monstrous rabbit costume who introduces himself as "Frank" and tells Donnie that the world will end in precisely 28 days, 6 hours, 42 minutes and 12 seconds. Donnie wakes up the next morning on the green of a local golf course and returns home to discover a jet engine has crashed into his bedroom.


A small plane crashed into a Minnesota home Saturday night, killing three people who were on board, officials said.


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2022-10-03 11:02:37 PM  

SansNeural: Charlie Freak: thedumbone: Oneiros: OVC002 overcast (at 2 miles?)

Overcast clouds 200ft above the ground.

Correct, and that's the biggest alarm bell here. 200' is LOW, you are in the clouds no more than 10-20 seconds after takeoff. Add an immediate right turn and going from a brightly-lit runway into a black hole, and it's a really good setup for spatial disorientation. Even moreso if you're troubleshooting anything that went wrong on or after your takeoff roll (or just being so far behind the aircraft you might as well be hanging on to the tail tie down ring).

At this point it could be any number of things and maybe combinations.  My current guess is disorientation, distraction and resulting failure to maintain airspeed.  But just guesses.


Oh, completely. I definitely think spatial disorientation/vertigo was the result of any number of contributing factors, in addition to the obvious low IMC at night.
 
2022-10-03 11:05:03 PM  

SansNeural: Charlie Freak: thedumbone: Oneiros: OVC002 overcast (at 2 miles?)

Overcast clouds 200ft above the ground.

Correct, and that's the biggest alarm bell here. 200' is LOW, you are in the clouds no more than 10-20 seconds after takeoff. Add an immediate right turn and going from a brightly-lit runway into a black hole, and it's a really good setup for spatial disorientation. Even moreso if you're troubleshooting anything that went wrong on or after your takeoff roll (or just being so far behind the aircraft you might as well be hanging on to the tail tie down ring).

At this point it could be any number of things and maybe combinations.  My current guess is disorientation, distraction and resulting failure to maintain airspeed.  But just guesses.


Correction - I will say he had plenty of airspeed, though. This was a spiral, not a stall/spin. He may have been close to a stall at one point, but the terminal descent had plenty of airspeed. Unusual attitude recovery. Practice it. A lot.
 
2022-10-04 9:41:09 AM  

RyansPrivates: Fano: RyansPrivates: Mr. Shabooboo: That movie is Terribly Sexy...Well actually it's terribly sad too...

/John Lithgow was just awesome too..

Lithgow is such a great talent, and I think underappreciated. Wife and I finished watching the first season of "The Old Man" a few weeks back. The scenes with Lithgows character and his "adopted" daughter were fantastic. It was like watching a masterclass of subtlety in acting.

He's got great comedy chops (3rd Rock From the Sun, for example) and can do everything from psychological horror to drama as well.

He is a ridiculously scary villain in Dexter

Yeah, between that and Raising Cain (mentioned above) he is scary as hell. He even get's scary in the "I will have you killed and buried somewhere and nobody will ever hear from you again" in The Old Man. You know that he wouldn't be the one committing the violence, but he damned well can order someone else to.


Ricochet was an amazing movie showcasing his ruthlessness as a villain.
 
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