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2022-10-03 12:29:08 PM  
Or just use a different browser that doesn't make your browsing experience shiattier, either the open source version or an inevitable fork.
 
2022-10-03 12:40:13 PM  
Fsck them.....
 
2022-10-03 12:42:08 PM  
So start changing ad blockers to download the ads and simply not show them at all to the user. You'll barely notice the loss of bandwidth, and the ad industry will be ruined because they can't even pretend to produce metrics anymore.
 
2022-10-03 12:55:03 PM  

covfefe: So start changing ad blockers to download the ads and simply not show them at all to the user. You'll barely notice the loss of bandwidth, and the ad industry will be ruined because they can't even pretend to produce metrics anymore.


the main point of an ad blocker is to keep malicious and intrusive ads off your computer. An ad blocker that lets the code run but just doesn't show it to you does not make your system secure.

/time to switch to firefox or duck duck go.
 
2022-10-03 12:55:21 PM  
PiHole or pfBlockerNG.
 
2022-10-03 1:33:54 PM  
ad
 
2022-10-03 1:37:06 PM  
I don't think this is going to affect my PiHole. Haven't used an ad-blocking extension since I set it up on our network. I love that it even blocks most ads within mobile games, and on the homescreen of our Roku.

I hate ads. Absolutely farking hate them.
 
2022-10-03 1:37:51 PM  
One can still use the Hosts file. Works well, too.
 
2022-10-03 1:49:04 PM  
They'll end up doing something so that ad-blockers can be used normally, otherwise there'll be a mass exodus away from Chrome. Non-nerds ask nerds constantly for advice regarding stuff like this, so it won't just be the techies that'll stop using it.
 
2022-10-03 1:51:06 PM  

mongbiohazard: I don't think this is going to affect my PiHole. Haven't used an ad-blocking extension since I set it up on our network. I love that it even blocks most ads within mobile games, and on the homescreen of our Roku.

I hate ads. Absolutely farking hate them.


Yep. I set up a Pi as a vpn access point also running Pi-hole. Easy as, er, Pi. Bonus is that my smart TV thinks it's in the UK so I get all the BBC content that would otherwise be geoblocked (Frozen Planet 2 is awesome!).
 
2022-10-03 1:52:30 PM  

koder: Or just use a different browser that doesn't make your browsing experience shiattier, either the open source version or an inevitable fork.


Or use a web browser that isn't based off the code controlled by the company that wants to kill ad blocking.

If you hate ads, you shouldn't allow an ad company to stay in control of the web.
 
2022-10-03 1:53:09 PM  
I can't live without UBlock Origin.

I don't mind switching back to Firefox.
 
2022-10-03 1:57:57 PM  

Swiss Colony: mongbiohazard: I don't think this is going to affect my PiHole. Haven't used an ad-blocking extension since I set it up on our network. I love that it even blocks most ads within mobile games, and on the homescreen of our Roku.

I hate ads. Absolutely farking hate them.

Yep. I set up a Pi as a vpn access point also running Pi-hole. Easy as, er, Pi. Bonus is that my smart TV thinks it's in the UK so I get all the BBC content that would otherwise be geoblocked (Frozen Planet 2 is awesome!).


We've already seen Chromecast hardware that refuses to start if it doesn't have access to Google's in-house DNS server, to prevent you from blocking ads at the DNS or Hosts file level.

There is also DNS over HTTPS which also bypasses ad blocking by controlling name resolution.
 
2022-10-03 2:00:22 PM  
This thread has taught me about pihole...and I must have it.  Will it cause issues for my family with crap that they do online or do the ads magically disappear?
 
2022-10-03 2:03:04 PM  

Explodo: This thread has taught me about pihole...and I must have it.  Will it cause issues for my family with crap that they do online or do the ads magically disappear?


only if your family complains about not having the ability to do stupid stuff online.
 
2022-10-03 2:04:54 PM  

khitsicker: Explodo: This thread has taught me about pihole...and I must have it.  Will it cause issues for my family with crap that they do online or do the ads magically disappear?

only if your family complains about not having the ability to do stupid stuff online.


15 and 17 year-olds....stupid stuff online is a given.  What will pi-hole break that they use?
 
2022-10-03 2:07:08 PM  

Explodo: This thread has taught me about pihole...and I must have it.  Will it cause issues for my family with crap that they do online or do the ads magically disappear?


I have an issue where Hulu Live doesn't work correctly. PiHole blocks some of their ad domains and it causes Hulu to working when I change channels. Restarting the app fixes it.

Other than that, it works really well for removing most ads.
 
2022-10-03 2:07:33 PM  
They can't touch VPN-based ad blockers.  Suck it.
 
2022-10-03 2:10:25 PM  

Explodo: This thread has taught me about pihole...and I must have it.  Will it cause issues for my family with crap that they do online or do the ads magically disappear?


the biggest headache with a pi-hole is having to turn it off when searching on-line to buy stuff, it won't load anything tagged as an add in your search results

/it has a handy 'disable for X amount of time' option though
 
2022-10-03 2:11:41 PM  

Explodo: khitsicker: Explodo: This thread has taught me about pihole...and I must have it.  Will it cause issues for my family with crap that they do online or do the ads magically disappear?

only if your family complains about not having the ability to do stupid stuff online.

15 and 17 year-olds....stupid stuff online is a given.  What will pi-hole break that they use?


depends on what you configure it for. you can have it block porn and gaming but then you would be a monster.

Just ads and popups probably nothing. Though there might be a site or 2 that needs popups enabled for authentication.
 
2022-10-03 2:12:52 PM  

khitsicker: covfefe: So start changing ad blockers to download the ads and simply not show them at all to the user. You'll barely notice the loss of bandwidth, and the ad industry will be ruined because they can't even pretend to produce metrics anymore.

the main point of an ad blocker is to keep malicious and intrusive ads off your computer. An ad blocker that lets the code run but just doesn't show it to you does not make your system secure.

/time to switch to firefox or duck duck go.


The reason I use as blockers is because I don't want to see the bastards
 
2022-10-03 2:15:20 PM  

Explodo: This thread has taught me about pihole...and I must have it.  Will it cause issues for my family with crap that they do online or do the ads magically disappear?


You don't even need a pihole to do that.  There are public DNS servers that block ads the same way a pihole would.

Adguard runs free and open to the public ad-blocking DNS servers at:

94.140.14.14
94.140.15.15


You don't have to install any software, just set your device to use those DNS server addresses.

However, we now have seen devices that refuse to work unless you give them access to the manufacturers own preferred DNS server, possibly over an encrypted connection so you can't mess with the ads.
 
2022-10-03 2:27:50 PM  
Google's claim that you have to worry about malicious code in browser extensions is true enough, but they are just using that as an excuse to kill the ad-blockers, since ads are still the source of the vast majority of their profits.

However, it's also possible to protect you from malicious code by actually paying people go over the code of the most popular browser extensions to make sure they aren't doing anything sketchy.

So if you're using Firefox and looking at the list of available extensions, I would stick to the ones with the "Recommended" badge.

Recommended extensions differ from other extensions that are regularly reviewed by Firefox staff in that they are curated extensions that meet the highest standards of security, functionality, and user experience. Firefox staff thoroughly evaluate each extension before it receives Recommended status.

If you want to block ads, I would go with uBlock Origin to block them on websites and Enhancer for Youtube to block them in Youtube videos.

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2022-10-03 2:30:49 PM  

koder: Or just use a different browser that doesn't make your browsing experience shiattier, either the open source version or an inevitable fork.


I've been using Brave.  I'm sure someone will explain why I shouldn't, but at the very least it's fun to watch how much fake money I earn month after month by using it.

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2022-10-03 2:35:47 PM  

Glitchwerks: I can't live without UBlock Origin.

I don't mind switching back to Firefox.


The one thing that concerns me is that I've occasionally noticed that ads creep in on Youtube on Firefox occasionally, whereas they never show in Chrome.
 
2022-10-03 2:35:56 PM  

BullBearMS: Swiss Colony: mongbiohazard: I don't think this is going to affect my PiHole. Haven't used an ad-blocking extension since I set it up on our network. I love that it even blocks most ads within mobile games, and on the homescreen of our Roku.

I hate ads. Absolutely farking hate them.

Yep. I set up a Pi as a vpn access point also running Pi-hole. Easy as, er, Pi. Bonus is that my smart TV thinks it's in the UK so I get all the BBC content that would otherwise be geoblocked (Frozen Planet 2 is awesome!).

We've already seen Chromecast hardware that refuses to start if it doesn't have access to Google's in-house DNS server, to prevent you from blocking ads at the DNS or Hosts file level.

There is also DNS over HTTPS which also bypasses ad blocking by controlling name resolution.


All the more reason for me to continue using the excellent family of Roku devices instead, and my Nvidia Shield TV Pro. The Roku Streaming Stick is both cheap and very good. IIRC it even does Dolby Atmos.
 
2022-10-03 2:45:36 PM  

SolderGlob: Explodo: This thread has taught me about pihole...and I must have it.  Will it cause issues for my family with crap that they do online or do the ads magically disappear?

I have an issue where Hulu Live doesn't work correctly. PiHole blocks some of their ad domains and it causes Hulu to working when I change channels. Restarting the app fixes it.

Other than that, it works really well for removing most ads.


I ended up having to exempt our Roku to make Paramount Plus work properly... Couldn't figure out what specific server to whitelist. But I didn't have to do the same on our Fire TV devices.
 
2022-10-03 2:55:12 PM  

koder: Or just use a different browser that doesn't make your browsing experience shiattier, either the open source version or an inevitable fork.


FireFox: you phoned ?
 
2022-10-03 2:56:59 PM  

khitsicker: covfefe: So start changing ad blockers to download the ads and simply not show them at all to the user. You'll barely notice the loss of bandwidth, and the ad industry will be ruined because they can't even pretend to produce metrics anymore.

the main point of an ad blocker is to keep malicious and intrusive ads off your computer. An ad blocker that lets the code run but just doesn't show it to you does not make your system secure.

/time to switch to firefox or duck duck go.


FireFox  ( plenty of addons to chose from)

Presearch.com
Or
Start.duckduckgo.com

Thank you
 
2022-10-03 2:57:29 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: ad


Is that you, ed?
 
2022-10-03 2:58:23 PM  

mongbiohazard: I don't think this is going to affect my PiHole. Haven't used an ad-blocking extension since I set it up on our network. I love that it even blocks most ads within mobile games, and on the homescreen of our Roku.

I hate ads. Absolutely farking hate them.


Probably bec 90% of them are just disguised propaganda
 
2022-10-03 2:59:29 PM  

Russ1642: They'll end up doing something so that ad-blockers can be used normally, otherwise there'll be a mass exodus away from Chrome. Non-nerds ask nerds constantly for advice regarding stuff like this, so it won't just be the techies that'll stop using it.


Ole google is a whore for snoopin
 
2022-10-03 3:00:34 PM  

Swiss Colony: mongbiohazard: I don't think this is going to affect my PiHole. Haven't used an ad-blocking extension since I set it up on our network. I love that it even blocks most ads within mobile games, and on the homescreen of our Roku.

I hate ads. Absolutely farking hate them.

Yep. I set up a Pi as a vpn access point also running Pi-hole. Easy as, er, Pi. Bonus is that my smart TV thinks it's in the UK so I get all the BBC content that would otherwise be geoblocked (Frozen Planet 2 is awesome!).


Ah shut yer pi hole!
 
2022-10-03 3:01:11 PM  

BullBearMS: koder: Or just use a different browser that doesn't make your browsing experience shiattier, either the open source version or an inevitable fork.

Or use a web browser that isn't based off the code controlled by the company that wants to kill ad blocking.

If you hate ads, you shouldn't allow an ad company to stay in control of the web.


Firefox: youre welcome
 
2022-10-03 3:01:54 PM  

Glitchwerks: I can't live without UBlock Origin.

I don't mind switching back to Firefox.


True

And The Fox is better than ever mow
 
2022-10-03 3:03:12 PM  

Explodo: khitsicker: Explodo: This thread has taught me about pihole...and I must have it.  Will it cause issues for my family with crap that they do online or do the ads magically disappear?

only if your family complains about not having the ability to do stupid stuff online.

15 and 17 year-olds....stupid stuff online is a given.  What will pi-hole break that they use?


Their spirit for doing stupid stuff online
 
2022-10-03 3:03:52 PM  
Anything that blocks ADD can't be all that bad.
 
2022-10-03 3:04:20 PM  

Explodo: This thread has taught me about pihole...and I must have it.  Will it cause issues for my family with crap that they do online or do the ads magically disappear?


Potentially both?  PiHole itself isn't a magic cure-all; all it does is block DNS entries for a configurable list of hosts.  If you put something like "facebook.com" in the configuration, then any attempt to get to any facebook domain will fail.  So it's on you to decide how aggressive you want to be.

There are some services out there that provide pre-screened configuration lists for PiHole that you can enable.  Best bet is usually to start with those, then do specific analysis of anything desired that stops working to see what it was trying to access that got blocked.  You can then decide to whitelist those specific elements, or just live without whatever it is.

I mean, the most secure home computer possible is one that's down in the basement, unplugged and not connected to ANYTHING.  But that's also not a particularly USEFUL computer.  PiHole is just a tool, it's only as lax or aggressive as you configure it to be.

And if anything REALLY has issues, there's a snooze option in the configuration where you can turn it off for 10 seconds - 5 minutes, so if you think it might be causing an issue you can snooze it and see if whatever it was then works or not.  For very occasional issues it's sometimes easier to snooze it temporarily than actually comb through the logs to figure out what to whitelist...
 
2022-10-03 3:12:01 PM  
Add "low quality clickbait dreck" to the list along with "intrusive" and "malicious" to describe 99% of ads.

I do not care about your 1 weird trick.
No, there isn't seven pounds of shiat lodged in my gut.
Stop pitching a mandingo party to sell your fake boner pills.
"Superfood" is a bullshiat marketing gimmick.
Stop abusing parentheses (it's idiotic).

Youtubers:
Learn to place midrolls better.
Don't abuse midrolls.
 
2022-10-03 4:16:26 PM  
Ads are just another way to insert a farkin virus onto your shiat these days. I slapped every adblocker and scriptblocker I could after a BBC link from fark got me a virus.

Anyone who wants me to accept ads or turn off my shiat gets a hale and hearty fark YOU.
 
2022-10-03 4:28:49 PM  

BullBearMS: koder: Or just use a different browser that doesn't make your browsing experience shiattier, either the open source version or an inevitable fork.

Or use a web browser that isn't based off the code controlled by the company that wants to kill ad blocking.

If you hate ads, you shouldn't allow an ad company to stay in control of the web.


We must only use products from the mega corp overlords.  To use anything else might subvert Our Democracy.  Obey and consume.
 
2022-10-03 4:34:35 PM  

Driedsponge: PiHole or pfBlockerNG.


I wish I could figure out how to access my pilhole, or pay for a service, so I could use it when I was out of my house. Traveling with just a cell and not a computer with Adblock is...tedious
 
2022-10-03 4:37:16 PM  

Explodo: This thread has taught me about pihole...and I must have it.  Will it cause issues for my family with crap that they do online or do the ads magically disappear?


Some links won't work from time to time, if they are routed through a redirect that is also an ad server. Sometimes I've had trouble clicking through to hotels when I search for prices on google maps and the like.  Usually then I'll turn off WiFi on my phone and/or tether my desktop to the phone if it's the only way to finish an order. Haven't had an issue with games, but I avoid dlc and mobile gaming.
 
2022-10-03 4:47:33 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: I've been using Brave.


That's very ... courageous of you
 
2022-10-03 4:51:04 PM  

guinsu: Driedsponge: PiHole or pfBlockerNG.

I wish I could figure out how to access my pilhole, or pay for a service, so I could use it when I was out of my house. Traveling with just a cell and not a computer with Adblock is...tedious


Depending on your hardware, setup a VPN on your network.  Connect your cell to your VPN when you're outside of your network and you should get all the benefits of the PiHole wherever you go, with the added benefit of having encrypted traffic thru any connections.
 
2022-10-03 4:56:22 PM  

Explodo: This thread has taught me about pihole...and I must have it.  Will it cause issues for my family with crap that they do online or do the ads magically disappear?


Can I use a pihole to block oan from my FIL's home network?
 
2022-10-03 5:09:29 PM  
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2022-10-03 5:29:17 PM  
<Laughs in Firefox>
 
2022-10-03 5:34:03 PM  

trialpha: Glitchwerks: I can't live without UBlock Origin.

I don't mind switching back to Firefox.

The one thing that concerns me is that I've occasionally noticed that ads creep in on Youtube on Firefox occasionally, whereas they never show in Chrome.


I will happily trade occasional ads for always tracking my data.
 
2022-10-03 5:40:26 PM  

Livinglush: trialpha: Glitchwerks: I can't live without UBlock Origin.

I don't mind switching back to Firefox.

The one thing that concerns me is that I've occasionally noticed that ads creep in on Youtube on Firefox occasionally, whereas they never show in Chrome.

I will happily trade occasional ads for always tracking my data.


I use Firefox and I literally never see a single ad on Youtube using the two ad blocking extensions I listed above.
 
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