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2022-10-03 10:26:49 AM  
The world's best player looks like someone who's going to try and take over Nakatomi Plaza
 
2022-10-03 10:31:28 AM  
When you're both the biggest and the fastest guy on the pitch, you're probably going to do well.
 
2022-10-03 11:07:25 AM  
I want to say that with Haaland, City should in the European Cup.

Then again, I saw the meltdown City had v. Real in the UCL semis and understood this: Pep is his own worst enemy.
 
2022-10-03 11:13:11 AM  

Rwa2play: I want to say that with Haaland, City should in the European Cup.

Then again, I saw the meltdown City had v. Real in the UCL semis and understood this: Pep is his own worst enemy.


They wont win Champions League unless they get back 4 help in January. As a Citeh fan I expect disappointment in CL. Also would not be surprised if they blow FA cup as well. And yes, Pep is his own worst enemy.
 
2022-10-03 11:16:31 AM  

Rwa2play: I want to say that with Haaland, City should in the European Cup.

Then again, I saw the meltdown City had v. Real in the UCL semis and understood this: Pep is his own worst enemy.


I am a happy critic of Pep when he does Pep things, which he does way too often. For once, though, he didn't Pep the Champion's League semis earlier this year. Real just played an absolutely insane 12 minutes that broke the hearts of every City fan. Then, of course, Real went on and beat Liverpool to win another freakin' title, like the built-for-purpose superheroes they are.
 
2022-10-03 11:18:40 AM  

eagles95: Rwa2play: I want to say that with Haaland, City should in the European Cup.

Then again, I saw the meltdown City had v. Real in the UCL semis and understood this: Pep is his own worst enemy.

They wont win Champions League unless they get back 4 help in January. As a Citeh fan I expect disappointment in CL. Also would not be surprised if they blow FA cup as well. And yes, Pep is his own worst enemy.


Who's going to beat them? No one looks particularly strong this season. They are also going to walk the league by miles and I doubt they will have much trouble in the Cups. England officially joins Germany and France as a one team league, at least until Newcastle spend their way to the top.
 
2022-10-03 11:24:18 AM  

drewogatory: eagles95: Rwa2play: I want to say that with Haaland, City should in the European Cup.

Then again, I saw the meltdown City had v. Real in the UCL semis and understood this: Pep is his own worst enemy.

They wont win Champions League unless they get back 4 help in January. As a Citeh fan I expect disappointment in CL. Also would not be surprised if they blow FA cup as well. And yes, Pep is his own worst enemy.

Who's going to beat them? No one looks particularly strong this season. They are also going to walk the league by miles and I doubt they will have much trouble in the Cups. England officially joins Germany and France as a one team league, at least until Newcastle spend their way to the top.


PL they will win. FA will be a slog because they always overthink things when a team parks the bus. The right and left backs though are one hammie tweak away from disaster since Pep doesn't worry about that until its biting him in the ass. CL they could win but like everyone says, Pep will Pep and decide 2 minutes before rosters are announced to run a 3-5-2 because some goblin in a dream the night before told him too.
 
2022-10-03 11:27:18 AM  
In all of these scenarios, when does Man City fire Pep for never winning CL? Real Madrid has fired coaches for much less.
 
2022-10-03 11:36:46 AM  
Can we put aside questions about what Man City will or won't win this season for a second and just stand in awe of what Haaland has already done this season?

--The previous record for fastest player to score three EPL hat-tricks did it in 48 games.  Haaland did it in his first EIGHT games.

--The last three EPL Golden Boot winners scored 23 goals in a season.  Haaland already has 14 goals with thirty games to go....

--L'Equipe magazine gave Haaland 10 out of 10 for his game against Man U...which doesn't sound like much until you learn that's only the 14th perfect score they've given a player on 40 years
 
2022-10-03 11:53:08 AM  
Yes thanks for the reminder yet another Dortmund player left for great success elsewhere.
 
2022-10-03 11:56:53 AM  
He isn't the best until his country wins the World Cup.


Sorry, just here to move the goalposts.
 
2022-10-03 11:59:38 AM  

Hooker with a Penis: Yes thanks for the reminder yet another Dortmund player left for great success elsewhere.


You forgot to mention the enormous pile of cash he also left Dortmund for.
 
2022-10-03 12:02:47 PM  

Hooker with a Penis: Yes thanks for the reminder yet another Dortmund player left for great success elsewhere.


At least it wasn't Bayern Munich.
 
2022-10-03 12:03:58 PM  
In a few years, "In what stadium did Erling Haaland score his first ever goal for Man City?" Is gonna be a great stumper of a trivia question.
 
2022-10-03 12:06:06 PM  

Sin'sHero: He isn't the best until his country wins the World Cup.


Sorry, just here to move the goalposts.


Does anyone still say that? Myself, I think international football is pants and if it went away tomorrow I wouldn't miss it one bit.
 
2022-10-03 12:09:49 PM  

Sin'sHero: He isn't the best until his country wins the World Cup.


Sorry, just here to move the goalposts.


This always seemed a silly argument.  What if the best player in the world came from east Timor?  Does that mean he or she will never be the best player in the world until East Timor wins the WC?

You can certainly use a players influence in helping make a team dominant as a sign of greatness, but if that team only has that player, or that team doesn't play well together, I don't think it makes that player any less dominant as an individual or unworthy of the moniker ad the best in the world.
 
2022-10-03 12:11:46 PM  

drewogatory: Sin'sHero: He isn't the best until his country wins the World Cup.


Sorry, just here to move the goalposts.

Does anyone still say that? Myself, I think international football is pants and if it went away tomorrow I wouldn't miss it one bit.


People who don't want to admit that Messi might just be better than Pele or Maradona.
 
2022-10-03 12:13:43 PM  

The5thElement: Hooker with a Penis: Yes thanks for the reminder yet another Dortmund player left for great success elsewhere.

You forgot to mention the enormous pile of cash he also left Dortmund for.


His actual wages, maybe. Dortmund could "only" secure an initial transfer fee of about 60M Euros if I recall because of a comically low release clause in his existing contract.

/60M might be a nice bag, but If no release clause existed, City would've had to pay AT LEAST 130M Euros
 
2022-10-03 12:24:06 PM  

Trocadero: Hooker with a Penis: Yes thanks for the reminder yet another Dortmund player left for great success elsewhere.

At least it wasn't Bayern Munich.


For sure at least leaving for the Premier League I understand more money, fame and all that so I cant be mad at him. Almost like going from the minors to the majors.
 
2022-10-03 12:24:26 PM  
Having that much Neanderthal DNA is a hell of an advantage.

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2022-10-03 12:27:28 PM  

Snapper Carr: drewogatory: Sin'sHero: He isn't the best until his country wins the World Cup.


Sorry, just here to move the goalposts.

Does anyone still say that? Myself, I think international football is pants and if it went away tomorrow I wouldn't miss it one bit.

People who don't want to admit that Messi might just be better than Pele or Maradona.


There's not enough video of Pele in his prime

rga184: Sin'sHero: He isn't the best until his country wins the World Cup.


Sorry, just here to move the goalposts.

This always seemed a silly argument.  What if the best player in the world came from east Timor?  Does that mean he or she will never be the best player in the world until East Timor wins the WC?

You can certainly use a players influence in helping make a team dominant as a sign of greatness, but if that team only has that player, or that team doesn't play well together, I don't think it makes that player any less dominant as an individual or unworthy of the moniker ad the best in the world.


Di Stefano,Best,Weah,Kubala and Cantona never even played in a WC. There's probably more I'm forgetting.
 
2022-10-03 12:57:39 PM  

Snapper Carr: People who don't want to admit that Messi might just be better than Pele or Maradona.


Messi is better than Maradona. Pele...

drewogatory: There's not enough video of Pele in his prime


Most of Pele's story is apocryphal - and there are some who claim that he wasn't even the best player on the Brazil team in 1958 and 1962. Mane Garrincha was (again, apocryphal evidence) a better dribbler and tactician but didn't get the press coverage that Pele did.
 
2022-10-03 1:12:09 PM  

eagles95: Rwa2play: I want to say that with Haaland, City should in the European Cup.

Then again, I saw the meltdown City had v. Real in the UCL semis and understood this: Pep is his own worst enemy.

They wont win Champions League unless they get back 4 help in January. As a Citeh fan I expect disappointment in CL. Also would not be surprised if they blow FA cup as well. And yes, Pep is his own worst enemy.


I know folks are hurt at the moment, but I wouldn't trade City's defense for any back line in the world. Yeah, I wouldn't have let Zinnie go, especially given how we're lining up this year, but the folks we do have are pretty spectacular. Dias is probably the most in-form CB on the planet. Akanji seems like a fantastic bit of business. To say nothing of the abilities of Laporte, Stones and Ake. That's a pretty rich pool, just at centerback. Cancelo is arguably the best outside back in the world; Walker is still pretty damn great; Gomez is terrific going forward; Rico Lewis is gonna be great. Would I like another outside back? Sure. But given how we're lining up, it doesn't appear immediately necessary.
 
2022-10-03 1:26:58 PM  

animal color: eagles95: Rwa2play: I want to say that with Haaland, City should in the European Cup.

Then again, I saw the meltdown City had v. Real in the UCL semis and understood this: Pep is his own worst enemy.

They wont win Champions League unless they get back 4 help in January. As a Citeh fan I expect disappointment in CL. Also would not be surprised if they blow FA cup as well. And yes, Pep is his own worst enemy.

I know folks are hurt at the moment, but I wouldn't trade City's defense for any back line in the world. Yeah, I wouldn't have let Zinnie go, especially given how we're lining up this year, but the folks we do have are pretty spectacular. Dias is probably the most in-form CB on the planet. Akanji seems like a fantastic bit of business. To say nothing of the abilities of Laporte, Stones and Ake. That's a pretty rich pool, just at centerback. Cancelo is arguably the best outside back in the world; Walker is still pretty damn great; Gomez is terrific going forward; Rico Lewis is gonna be great. Would I like another outside back? Sure. But given how we're lining up, it doesn't appear immediately necessary.


I haven't really been a fan of Stones and Walker. I just dont trust them in big settings. Stones just is bleh
 
2022-10-03 1:42:37 PM  
He's definitely a fun player to watch.  Explosive pace, using his size and strength to brush away any clingy defenders, clean and clinical finishes.  He'll break lots of goal records for sure.

Best player in the world?  Whatever.  Strikers get most of the glory in soccer, but midfielders are usually the real geniuses.  I'd put a De Bruyne's passing ability above a Haaland's scoring ability every time.
 
2022-10-03 1:50:39 PM  

Big 900: In a few years, "In what stadium did Erling Haaland score his first ever goal for Man City?" Is gonna be a great stumper of a trivia question.


West Ham.
What do I win?
 
2022-10-03 1:52:14 PM  

bumfuzzled: Snapper Carr: People who don't want to admit that Messi might just be better than Pele or Maradona.

Messi is better than Maradona. Pele...

drewogatory: There's not enough video of Pele in his prime

Most of Pele's story is apocryphal - and there are some who claim that he wasn't even the best player on the Brazil team in 1958 and 1962. Mane Garrincha was (again, apocryphal evidence) a better dribbler and tactician but didn't get the press coverage that Pele did.


58, maybe.
62, absolutely.  Pele was hacked out of the tournament, barely played.
 
2022-10-03 2:03:27 PM  
3 hat tricks for Man City already
 
2022-10-03 2:10:59 PM  

rga184: Sin'sHero: He isn't the best until his country wins the World Cup.


Sorry, just here to move the goalposts.

This always seemed a silly argument.  What if the best player in the world came from east Timor?  Does that mean he or she will never be the best player in the world until East Timor wins the WC?

You can certainly use a players influence in helping make a team dominant as a sign of greatness, but if that team only has that player, or that team doesn't play well together, I don't think it makes that player any less dominant as an individual or unworthy of the moniker ad the best in the world.


That's the point. 'The Best' only really indicates 'The Best At That One Thing He Does'. Pretty much everyone who's passing the GOAT ball between them has risen his teammates to Mediocrity+1 at best.

CR7 is the best example in that people gush over Portugal's Euro 16 win yet the harsh truth is that they drew all the group games and had to slog through three ET wins to get to the final. Which was the only game they won inside 90 minutes. The score? 1-0, and it wasn't CR7.

ETH has said publicly he didn't play Ronaldo 'out of respect for his career' when I suspect it was really because even HE couldn't wake his peers out of their stupor enough to take it to 2 or 1 goal behind. Which raises the question of not just how far below Haaland he is, but also how much of an aggravator he is of Manure's current malaise.
 
2022-10-03 3:56:39 PM  

drewogatory: eagles95: Rwa2play: I want to say that with Haaland, City should in the European Cup.

Then again, I saw the meltdown City had v. Real in the UCL semis and understood this: Pep is his own worst enemy.

They wont win Champions League unless they get back 4 help in January. As a Citeh fan I expect disappointment in CL. Also would not be surprised if they blow FA cup as well. And yes, Pep is his own worst enemy.

Who's going to beat them? No one looks particularly strong this season. They are also going to walk the league by miles and I doubt they will have much trouble in the Cups. England officially joins Germany and France as a one team league, at least until Newcastle spend their way to the top.


Pep always beats himself. What team has Pep ever truly had to coach? He's only ever gone to teams that are already established as juggernauts and kept the status quo. He knew Barcelona had the best front 3 probably in the history of the game, he knew Bayern could and would buy and player in Germany that he wanted. He knows City can buy whomever he wants them to buy. When he goes up against a manager with better tactical knowledge, like Ancelotti, he folds. Talk to me when he takes over a team that is mid-table and does something with them.
 
2022-10-03 4:07:14 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Pep always beats himself. What team has Pep ever truly had to coach? He's only ever gone to teams that are already established as juggernauts and kept the status quo. He knew Barcelona had the best front 3 probably in the history of the game, he knew Bayern could and would buy and player in Germany that he wanted. He knows City can buy whomever he wants them to buy. When he goes up against a manager with better tactical knowledge, like Ancelotti, he folds. Talk to me when he takes over a team that is mid-table and does something with them.


I mean, you do you and all.

But Pep has shown that he can both develop world-class talent (Foden, Walker, Cancelo, Sterling, Jesus, Zinchenko, just in England) and marshal that talent in ways that flummox other sides.

He can definitely judge talent (Dias, Cancelo, Akanji, DeBruyne and perhaps Ederson most of all), and spend the money necessary to get it, but so can every major club.

Sure, Pep can get in his own way, primarily by refusing to park the bus when necessary or debuting an untested formation, but his mistakes lead to progress.

Winning another Champion's League title, with a team of his own assembly, will make him the greatest modern coach with the exception of Sir Alex and -- perhaps -- Wenger. That's pretty good company.
 
2022-10-03 4:13:29 PM  

Chimpy McSquirrel: Big 900: In a few years, "In what stadium did Erling Haaland score his first ever goal for Man City?" Is gonna be a great stumper of a trivia question.

West Ham.
What do I win?


Nothing. That's incorrect
 
2022-10-03 4:32:37 PM  

bumfuzzled: Snapper Carr: People who don't want to admit that Messi might just be better than Pele or Maradona.

Messi is better than Maradona. Pele...

drewogatory: There's not enough video of Pele in his prime

Most of Pele's story is apocryphal - and there are some who claim that he wasn't even the best player on the Brazil team in 1958 and 1962. Mane Garrincha was (again, apocryphal evidence) a better dribbler and tactician but didn't get the press coverage that Pele did.


I don't know, some of those Pele goals and plays were insane, the kind of jaw dropping skill that you see Messi do as well.

Messi is definitely better than Maradona.  No question.  Maradona got his WC cheating anyway.  We will never know if he is better than Pele.
 
2022-10-03 4:44:12 PM  

rga184: bumfuzzled: Snapper Carr: People who don't want to admit that Messi might just be better than Pele or Maradona.

Messi is better than Maradona. Pele...

drewogatory: There's not enough video of Pele in his prime

Most of Pele's story is apocryphal - and there are some who claim that he wasn't even the best player on the Brazil team in 1958 and 1962. Mane Garrincha was (again, apocryphal evidence) a better dribbler and tactician but didn't get the press coverage that Pele did.

I don't know, some of those Pele goals and plays were insane, the kind of jaw dropping skill that you see Messi do as well.

Messi is definitely better than Maradona.  No question.  Maradona got his WC cheating anyway.  We will never know if he is better than Pele.


Messi never endured the kicking Maradona got on the regular. His style of play wouldn't have been tolerated in the day.
 
2022-10-03 8:06:15 PM  

The Third Man: Can we put aside questions about what Man City will or won't win this season for a second and just stand in awe of what Haaland has already done this season?

--The previous record for fastest player to score three EPL hat-tricks did it in 48 games.  Haaland did it in his first EIGHT games.

--The last three EPL Golden Boot winners scored 23 goals in a season.  Haaland already has 14 goals with thirty games to go....

--L'Equipe magazine gave Haaland 10 out of 10 for his game against Man U...which doesn't sound like much until you learn that's only the 14th perfect score they've given a player on 40 years


Hear, hear! They guy is phenomenal - he will be better for City than Aguero and if he stays healthy could be better than Ronaldo, Messi et al. He really is that good. And he seems to have a great relationship with the rest of the team - the way he and Foden were goofing off after the final whistle was great. Oh yes, a hand for Foden too - local boy (Stockport) made good. He has a very bright future too.
 
2022-10-04 9:27:55 AM  

animal color: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Pep always beats himself. What team has Pep ever truly had to coach? He's only ever gone to teams that are already established as juggernauts and kept the status quo. He knew Barcelona had the best front 3 probably in the history of the game, he knew Bayern could and would buy and player in Germany that he wanted. He knows City can buy whomever he wants them to buy. When he goes up against a manager with better tactical knowledge, like Ancelotti, he folds. Talk to me when he takes over a team that is mid-table and does something with them.

I mean, you do you and all.

But Pep has shown that he can both develop world-class talent (Foden, Walker, Cancelo, Sterling, Jesus, Zinchenko, just in England) and marshal that talent in ways that flummox other sides.

He can definitely judge talent (Dias, Cancelo, Akanji, DeBruyne and perhaps Ederson most of all), and spend the money necessary to get it, but so can every major club.

Sure, Pep can get in his own way, primarily by refusing to park the bus when necessary or debuting an untested formation, but his mistakes lead to progress.

Winning another Champion's League title, with a team of his own assembly, will make him the greatest modern coach with the exception of Sir Alex and -- perhaps -- Wenger. That's pretty good company.


Are you just listing players? Pep didn't have anything to do with Kevin De Bruyne being at City. Jesus and Zinchenko were mostly fringe players. Sterling wasn't developed under Pep and everyone knew Foden was a prodigy from the time he was 15.

It's not hard to judge talent when the entire world says "Erling Haaland is the best striker on the planet" and then you tell your owners, who have more money than anyone in the game, to go buy him.

When he has to actually work and coach with X's and O's, he gets exposed. The list of managers better than him is certainly longer than just Sir Alex and Wenger. I'd put Anceloitti above him. Hell, i'd put Mourinho just for winning the Champions League with Porto and Inter above him.

If you took Pep and put him at a mid-level team he wouldn't significantly improve that team. If you took a mid-level manager and put him at City, the team wouldn't get worse.

Again, talk to me when Pep doesn't walk into an already established and dominant team that doesn't have the advantage of buying whatever player they want no matter the cost.
 
2022-10-04 9:30:56 AM  

drewogatory: rga184: bumfuzzled: Snapper Carr: People who don't want to admit that Messi might just be better than Pele or Maradona.

Messi is better than Maradona. Pele...

drewogatory: There's not enough video of Pele in his prime

Most of Pele's story is apocryphal - and there are some who claim that he wasn't even the best player on the Brazil team in 1958 and 1962. Mane Garrincha was (again, apocryphal evidence) a better dribbler and tactician but didn't get the press coverage that Pele did.

I don't know, some of those Pele goals and plays were insane, the kind of jaw dropping skill that you see Messi do as well.

Messi is definitely better than Maradona.  No question.  Maradona got his WC cheating anyway.  We will never know if he is better than Pele.

Messi never endured the kicking Maradona got on the regular. His style of play wouldn't have been tolerated in the day.


This. You breathe on Messi it's a foul. Matthaus and Dunga would have broken Messi's legs. Maradona would be far more dominant today than he was in his day as well.

VAR would have ruled out the most famous goal of all time though.
 
2022-10-04 9:20:38 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: animal color: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Pep always beats himself. What team has Pep ever truly had to coach? He's only ever gone to teams that are already established as juggernauts and kept the status quo. He knew Barcelona had the best front 3 probably in the history of the game, he knew Bayern could and would buy and player in Germany that he wanted. He knows City can buy whomever he wants them to buy. When he goes up against a manager with better tactical knowledge, like Ancelotti, he folds. Talk to me when he takes over a team that is mid-table and does something with them.

I mean, you do you and all.

But Pep has shown that he can both develop world-class talent (Foden, Walker, Cancelo, Sterling, Jesus, Zinchenko, just in England) and marshal that talent in ways that flummox other sides.

He can definitely judge talent (Dias, Cancelo, Akanji, DeBruyne and perhaps Ederson most of all), and spend the money necessary to get it, but so can every major club.

Sure, Pep can get in his own way, primarily by refusing to park the bus when necessary or debuting an untested formation, but his mistakes lead to progress.

Winning another Champion's League title, with a team of his own assembly, will make him the greatest modern coach with the exception of Sir Alex and -- perhaps -- Wenger. That's pretty good company.

Are you just listing players? Pep didn't have anything to do with Kevin De Bruyne being at City. Jesus and Zinchenko were mostly fringe players. Sterling wasn't developed under Pep and everyone knew Foden was a prodigy from the time he was 15.

It's not hard to judge talent when the entire world says "Erling Haaland is the best striker on the planet" and then you tell your owners, who have more money than anyone in the game, to go buy him.

When he has to actually work and coach with X's and O's, he gets exposed. The list of managers better than him is certainly longer than just Sir Alex and Wenger. I'd put Anceloitti above him. Hell, i'd put Mourinho just for ...


OK. So you don't follow City and don't know its players or their development. Perhaps you should learn a few things before you comment on them.

(BTW, I didn't mention Haaland for the same reason you seem so outraged by his residence at the Etihad.) But you do you, and continue to root for a mediocre side.
 
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