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(Chron)   The most expensive Friday Night Lights stadiums in the state of Texas. Hint: number 1 is so expensive it has a naming rights deal   (chron.com) divider line
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2022-10-03 9:21:09 AM  
What? No domes?
 
2022-10-03 9:31:21 AM  
Where I went to high school, we thought they were being all fancy when they bought a new card table to sell tickets off of at the gate. Admittedly, the old one had gotten wobbly, but it wasn't that wobbly.
 
2022-10-03 9:35:35 AM  
What is their library budget?
 
2022-10-03 9:54:05 AM  

NewportBarGuy: What is their library budget?


That's commie talk
 
2022-10-03 10:04:51 AM  

NewportBarGuy: What is their library budget?


Shut up, nerd!

Many, many years ago, I graduated from a high school in the district that spent $80 million on a stadium, arena and theatre complex. I was not in the least bit surprised to see them on this list. As for the library, it sucked back then and I can only assume it's worse now.
 
2022-10-03 10:25:56 AM  

NewportBarGuy: What is their library budget?


It's spelled liberry!
 
2022-10-03 10:36:39 AM  
I wouldn't have a problem with spending 80MM or even 100MM on a sports complex... as long as it's actually being used on a regular basis and isn't sitting idle 99% of the time. Make it a multi-purpose structure/complex that can be used by multiple schools.

/Regardless, it's still a better use of funds than an F-35.
 
2022-10-03 10:50:12 AM  

BretMavrik: I wouldn't have a problem with spending 80MM or even 100MM on a sports complex...


100 millimeters is a pretty small sports complex
 
2022-10-03 11:02:04 AM  
 
2022-10-03 11:02:44 AM  
I love the "Children's Health" stadium.  George Carlin could have riffed for half an hour easily on that.
 
2022-10-03 11:15:39 AM  

TheLopper: $60 Million Texas High School Stadium Deemed Unsafe for Football


I remember that story. They went cheap. Should have spent the extra $10M for a working stadium.
 
2022-10-03 11:17:49 AM  

oldernell: What? No domes?


Give it a decade.
 
2022-10-03 11:31:35 AM  
A while back my eldest was going to Texas Tech to work on a Ph.D.   I went down to help her get situated and we drove out of town to get some BBQ, and on the way we passed a big assed football stadium.  She says "What college is that?"

"That's a high school stadium, Kid."

It boggles my mind the resources people put into gladiator sports.
 
2022-10-03 11:35:51 AM  
As if we needed confirmation of how Texas's Education Dollars are really spent.
 
2022-10-03 11:38:56 AM  

DecemberNitro: BretMavrik: I wouldn't have a problem with spending 80MM or even 100MM on a sports complex...

100 millimeters is a pretty small sports complex


it's a sports complex for ants.
 
2022-10-03 11:44:47 AM  
For those who aren't familiar with Texas:

Not defending Texas here, but it's worth noting that these overpriced stadiums are for every school in the ISD instead of each school having their own little stadium.

Independent School Districts exist so that white Texans don't have to fear their offspring being bussed to poorer areas and vice versa.  For example, instead of San Antonio having a Bexar School District for the county there are like 5 ISDs.  State law also limits how much the more affluent ISDs can subsidize their counterparts on the wrong side of the tracks.
 
2022-10-03 11:55:53 AM  
I went to high school in an affluent district in North Texas. My senior year I didn't get my textbooks until maybe half way through the year. They spent 2 million dollars on an outhouse to store football gear.

Priorities.
 
2022-10-03 11:55:59 AM  
A high school in Ohio still has the largest practice facility of any team in the state.

Friday Night Lights was such a damn good family drama that I never would have given a look had I not known it wasn't about high school football.
 
2022-10-03 11:56:04 AM  
Here's the deal - somehow my former HS made the list (C.E. King).  It is currently a 6A school (meaning that it has ~2200 enrolled).  It was *just* under a 5A school when I was there in the late 80s.  It is the *ONLY* HS in the district so this stadium is *their* stadium.  They have ~10K students in the entire district.  Yes, their stadium (on the list) is nuts.

My son's current school district made the list as well (Clear Creek ISD (CCISD)).  They have *7* high schools that are all (or almost all) 6A school with a district-wide enrollment of ~42K.  Challenger stadium is shared by the entire district, including Jr. Highs (son played there in the band last week), so *that* particular stadium is getting used most (if not all) days of the week and Saturdays by multiple schools.  Also, the local HS stadiums are small - I'm talking smaller than my 4A HS stadium in the 80s.  All the Jr. Highs have cinder tracks.

Here is Clear Lake HS's actual stadium (note they have since put in artificial turf):

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Clear Creek HS has the best/largest individual stadium which was build before the multi-school stadium from the article:

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Here is the one my son is (currently) zoned to at Clear Brook HS:

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2022-10-03 12:00:33 PM  
You could throw $80M at a stadium for your high school...
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FC U!
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/ priorities
// opposing this kind of bs in tx has to be a lonely and dangerous endeavor
 
2022-10-03 12:04:55 PM  

WoodyHayes: A high school in Ohio still has the largest practice facility of any team in the state.


That says more about Mike Brown than the high school.
 
2022-10-03 12:05:01 PM  

Pedal Pedal: I went to high school in an affluent district in North Texas. My senior year I didn't get my textbooks until maybe half way through the year. They spent 2 million dollars on an outhouse to store football gear.

Priorities.


$2M?  My wife was working at C.E. King (featured in TFA in the late 90s when they spent $3M on a field house for a school that was barely 5A at the time.  At the same time, my buddy's mom was the technology person who was asking me about repairing shiat computers so they could have a full computer lab.  And Sheldon ISD wasn't even *remotely* an "affluent district".
 
2022-10-03 12:06:11 PM  
Sure, $70 million sounds like a lot, but remember, they let the marching band practice on the field, too.

They don't? Nevermind...
 
2022-10-03 12:12:44 PM  

ElFugawz: You could throw $80M at a stadium for your high school...
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FC U!
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/ priorities
// opposing this kind of bs in tx has to be a lonely and dangerous endeavor


Don't oppose it; there's nothing wrong with first-class athletic facilities (which, let's face it, are going to happen anyway). Use that energy for supporting first-class academic facilities.
 
2022-10-03 12:12:57 PM  
Serious question: are they paying market price for electricity? I can easily see the stadiums getting some deal to make sure the game will go on

/if they are, well, classrooms don't need to be that warm. Above freezing will suffice
 
2022-10-03 12:21:00 PM  
Here is the area around McKinney's stadium. Looks like the epitome of suburban hell. If you live in a SFH with a garage, what do you need self storage for? Hiding the evidence? And then there's "Bark! the boutique hotel for dogs" east of the stadium.
I guess you can't go without tons of surface parking everywhere, but it takes up a lot of space (and if there are flooding concerns it is a lot of extra impervious surfaces).
FWIW the cost of that stadium is probably dwarfed by the cost for just that one interchange.
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/Dallas suburbs... not even once.
 
2022-10-03 12:29:48 PM  

UNC_Samurai: WoodyHayes: A high school in Ohio still has the largest practice facility of any team in the state.

That says more about Mike Brown than the high school.


Funny you say that as that is where Mike Brown's father played and then later won five state titles as a coach.

I also should have said "largest indoor practice facility of any team in the state."
 
2022-10-03 12:30:59 PM  

BretMavrik: ElFugawz: You could throw $80M at a stadium for your high school...
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FC U!
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/ priorities
// opposing this kind of bs in tx has to be a lonely and dangerous endeavor

Don't oppose it; there's nothing wrong with first-class athletic facilities (which, let's face it, are going to happen anyway). Use that energy for supporting first-class academic facilities.



With what money left over?
 
2022-10-03 12:32:00 PM  
LOL this article AGAIN.
 
2022-10-03 12:32:05 PM  

BretMavrik: ElFugawz: You could throw $80M at a stadium for your high school...
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FC U!
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/ priorities
// opposing this kind of bs in tx has to be a lonely and dangerous endeavor

Don't oppose it; there's nothing wrong with first-class athletic facilities (which, let's face it, are going to happen anyway). Use that energy for supporting first-class academic facilities.


I think this is how our district (CCISD - Challenger Stadium in TFA) did it.  For instance in the pics I posted uptread, the Clear Lake HS pic, turning 180 degrees from that pic is this:

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That used to be a large Jr. High but is now a learning/education center that houses one of the largest robot competition set-ups in the country (last season's VRC - regional):

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They have Vex VRC, IQ and Best and First.  First robotics (FRC) was stationed at Building 9 on NASA-JSC but they moved it to this facility.

On a side note, and I just noticed, the girls in the blue in the foreground of this pic are one of the 4 teams at my sons Jr. High who went to VRC World's competition - they were an all girl team at the time.
 
2022-10-03 12:33:18 PM  

NewportBarGuy: What is their library budget?


All the books are either banned or available on Kindle
 
2022-10-03 12:34:32 PM  

BretMavrik: I wouldn't have a problem with spending 80MM or even 100MM on a sports complex... as long as it's actually being used on a regular basis and isn't sitting idle 99% of the time. Make it a multi-purpose structure/complex that can be used by multiple schools.


Can it also be used as an NFL team's practice facility?
 
2022-10-03 12:46:24 PM  

ElFugawz: Here is the area around McKinney's stadium. Looks like the epitome of suburban hell. If you live in a SFH with a garage, what do you need self storage for? Hiding the evidence? And then there's "Bark! the boutique hotel for dogs" east of the stadium.
I guess you can't go without tons of surface parking everywhere, but it takes up a lot of space (and if there are flooding concerns it is a lot of extra impervious surfaces).
FWIW the cost of that stadium is probably dwarfed by the cost for just that one interchange.
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/Dallas suburbs... not even once.


The self-storage units are likely for storing stuff when you're having an addition added onto your home.  Also, rich people tend to collect a lot of crap that they're loathe to get rid of.  "You can't take it with you" and all that, so there's probably a lot of inherited loot in there.

That interchange is absolutely necessary.  The urban sprawl in the McKinney / Allen / Melissa / Anna area is just out of control.  Most of the interchanges in major urban areas are similar.

Finally, I'm assuming your contention with "suburban hell" is the proximity of the homes to each other, otherwise known as "postage stamp" lots?  Believe it or not, that's actually desired.  Because when you're spending 20K a year so your snowflake can play "club volleyball" or spending hundreds of dollars a month to get your fur baby groomed, who needs to be wasting income on maintaining landscapes / property?
 
2022-10-03 12:54:22 PM  

NewportBarGuy: BretMavrik: ElFugawz: You could throw $80M at a stadium for your high school...
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FC U!
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/ priorities
// opposing this kind of bs in tx has to be a lonely and dangerous endeavor

Don't oppose it; there's nothing wrong with first-class athletic facilities (which, let's face it, are going to happen anyway). Use that energy for supporting first-class academic facilities.


With what money left over?


That question is part of the problem; you presume that there isn't money to do both. There is enough money to have the best academic *and* athletic facilities in the world, we just need to make the choice. Hammering on that question cedes the argument to those who say there isn't, and immediately moves into the realm of fighting over scraps.
 
2022-10-03 1:01:49 PM  

BretMavrik: NewportBarGuy: BretMavrik: ElFugawz: You could throw $80M at a stadium for your high school...
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FC U!
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/ priorities
// opposing this kind of bs in tx has to be a lonely and dangerous endeavor

Don't oppose it; there's nothing wrong with first-class athletic facilities (which, let's face it, are going to happen anyway). Use that energy for supporting first-class academic facilities.


With what money left over?

That question is part of the problem; you presume that there isn't money to do both. There is enough money to have the best academic *and* athletic facilities in the world, we just need to make the choice. Hammering on that question cedes the argument to those who say there isn't, and immediately moves into the realm of fighting over scraps.


I don't follow this topic very closely, because it's so futile.  But if I had to guess, I'd guess that all this excessive spending on athletics is just an elaborate way of avoiding paying into Robin Hood / recapture.
 
2022-10-03 1:03:22 PM  
What they don't mention is that for Cy-Fair there are 14 high schools (all at least 6A with over 2500 students) that share that stadium and one other slightly smaller one.  So you are building those stadiums to support multiple games and schools over a weekend.  You have a district like Tomball which built one that only has 2 schools.  So while the cost is high, some districts can spread the cost out to share them over multiple schools, other like Prosper only have one or two schools and they aren't even 5A it's hard to see how that much money is justified.
 
2022-10-03 1:10:04 PM  
While i know these stadiums are funded in part by wealthy alumni i can't help but look at those numbers and think how much good that money could have done in improving the quality of education for a lot of kids.
 
2022-10-03 1:15:56 PM  

k4mi: What they don't mention is that for Cy-Fair there are 14 high schools (all at least 6A with over 2500 students) that share that stadium and one other slightly smaller one.  So you are building those stadiums to support multiple games and schools over a weekend.  You have a district like Tomball which built one that only has 2 schools.  So while the cost is high, some districts can spread the cost out to share them over multiple schools, other like Prosper only have one or two schools and they aren't even 5A it's hard to see how that much money is justified.


Do a satellite view of Prosper and Anna, making note of all the green.  Then scroll just slightly south to Frisco and make note of the distinct LACK of green, and see if you can figure out where the urban sprawl is heading.

When all is said and done, that relatively tiny little area called "Prosper" (or as we like to call it, "East California") will have 5-6 high schools servicing an estimated 45000 students.

https://www.checkoutdfw.com/cities/these-are-the-prosper-isd-schools-that-are-under-construction-and-ones-that-are-being/article_b2d5a4a8-98b2-11ec-a6bb-3fc7fc4a92c9.html

For a good laugh, make note of the major thoroughfares currently going through Prosper.  There are zero.  Currently, there's University (380) for E/W and Preston (289) for N/S, which are both ridiculously congested.  The northern end of the Tollway currently ends at 380.  I admit that I have no idea when the work to continue north to Grayson county is slated to be completed.

That little city has a LOT of orange in its future....
 
2022-10-03 1:57:22 PM  

grimlock1972: While i know these stadiums are funded in part by wealthy alumni i can't help but look at those numbers and think how much good that money could have done in improving the quality of education for a lot of kids.


That's one of the things that make C.E. King one of the worse offenders.  Sheldon ISD has always been lower-middle-class to poor.  In the early 2000s or there about, they annexed a solid middle-class area.

The absolute most wealthiest alum. to graduate from King, I went to school with since elementary school (we called his dad the land baron of Sheldon - he's part of the major reason why there is no "wealthy alumni").  I don't think he cares enough (like anyone from Sheldon ISD) to give a fark about donating.  In any case, the vast majority of C.E. King alum that would care enough to donate anything towards that stadium wouldn't provide enough to fund a crawfish boil.
 
2022-10-03 2:36:27 PM  
Here is ours. It cost a little over a million and it does have naming rights (to pay for it - not a single taxpayer dime went into it).
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It isn't flashy, but that is the point. The team that plays there is currently #1 in the state and has been in the top 5 for years.
 
2022-10-03 2:37:03 PM  

UberDave: Here's the deal - somehow my former HS made the list (C.E. King).  It is currently a 6A school (meaning that it has ~2200 enrolled).  It was *just* under a 5A school when I was there in the late 80s.  It is the *ONLY* HS in the district so this stadium is *their* stadium.  They have ~10K students in the entire district.  Yes, their stadium (on the list) is nuts.

My son's current school district made the list as well (Clear Creek ISD (CCISD)).  They have *7* high schools that are all (or almost all) 6A school with a district-wide enrollment of ~42K.  Challenger stadium is shared by the entire district, including Jr. Highs (son played there in the band last week), so *that* particular stadium is getting used most (if not all) days of the week and Saturdays by multiple schools.  Also, the local HS stadiums are small - I'm talking smaller than my 4A HS stadium in the 80s.  All the Jr. Highs have cinder tracks.

Here is Clear Lake HS's actual stadium (note they have since put in artificial turf):

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Clear Creek HS has the best/largest individual stadium which was build before the multi-school stadium from the article:

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Here is the one my son is (currently) zoned to at Clear Brook HS:

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Fun fact about one of your favorite regular sports Farkers.

I graduated from Clear Lake High School class of 1997. I have never been to a Texas high school football game.

It was freshman football in 1993, and the only position I knew was DL. I was one of the bigger 8th grade kids, but that summer everyone outgrew me. The coaches, in their infinite wisdom, never looked at me &  said, "Dad gum SOWB, you're too small for this." They let get my ass handed to me by kids way bigger, and frankly more suited for that position than me.

Another one of the kids was in a similar situation as me. Too small to play the position we knew, but the coaches not smart enough to know what we were yet. So during one drill, this kid drops with an apparent asthma attack.

Coach Wayne Brewster immediately ran over to the kid...and started kicking him.

I mention his full name because if you google him, you'll find out that two years later, we tried to jump from a bridge in a suicide attempt because he was banging one of the girls on the dance squad.

So, in summary, I've never been to a Texas high school football game because of an abusive pedophile of a coach at Clear Lake High School.

/Definitely not a CSB
 
2022-10-03 2:39:38 PM  

Rent Party: A while back my eldest was going to Texas Tech to work on a Ph.D.   I went down to help her get situated and we drove out of town to get some BBQ, and on the way we passed a big assed football stadium.  She says "What college is that?"

"That's a high school stadium, Kid."

It boggles my mind the resources people put into gladiator sports.


My grandparents lived in Steubenville, OH.  We'd pass this large school with its own football stadium (nothing like TFA, but this was 1970s rust belt.  And it was definitely a stadium).  My high school had some wooden bleachers (looks like aluminum were added since I started farking and took a picture for a similar thread) and somebody added a small electronic scoreboard when I was there.  Otherwise just a field with goalposts.

A few years ago I learned the stadium was for the Junior High (presumably now a middle school).  My mind boggles.
 
2022-10-03 3:10:43 PM  
If I set the over/under on "NIL" being seriously discussed at the high school level because of circuits like Texas football at 20 years from now, which are you taking, sooner or later than that?
 
2022-10-03 3:14:04 PM  

dletter: If I set the over/under on "NIL" being seriously discussed at the high school level because of circuits like Texas football at 20 years from now, which are you taking, sooner or later than that?


I guess you should take the under... looking around after I posted, apparently this is a question very much being asked, and even permitted at this point in some states (although not in Texas yet):
https://usatodayhss.com/lists/high-school-nil-rules-in-each-of-the-50-states-plus-d-c

But, I'd think there would be a big movement with these practically pro-like level stadiums at the high school level to be able to bank on your NIL, just like a teenage Olympic athlete or tennis pro are able to.
 
2022-10-03 3:43:46 PM  
My high school still has the same metal bleachers it has always had, and the same concession stands. They replaced the 40-year-old cinder track with an all-weather and then inexplicably replaced the grass with FieldTurf, I guess to reduce maintenance costs, and nobody is allowed to use the track for any reason (originally there was a public use clause).

So in 50 years they spent probably $2 million in upgrades. The area around the school has completely blown up so once the share is spread out it's probably only $25 per capita over a few years.

I can't imagine spending $80 million plus maintenance on a high school stadium. I doubt my old district spends that much on capital improvements and maintenance in 5 years across the district. In the end, it's just a field.
 
2022-10-03 4:18:31 PM  
That's nothing compared to Bishop Sycamore's home stadium...

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2022-10-04 11:03:01 AM  

Slow To Return: ElFugawz: Here is the area around McKinney's stadium. Looks like the epitome of suburban hell. If you live in a SFH with a garage, what do you need self storage for? Hiding the evidence? And then there's "Bark! the boutique hotel for dogs" east of the stadium.
I guess you can't go without tons of surface parking everywhere, but it takes up a lot of space (and if there are flooding concerns it is a lot of extra impervious surfaces).
FWIW the cost of that stadium is probably dwarfed by the cost for just that one interchange.
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/Dallas suburbs... not even once.

The self-storage units are likely for storing stuff when you're having an addition added onto your home.  Also, rich people tend to collect a lot of crap that they're loathe to get rid of.  "You can't take it with you" and all that, so there's probably a lot of inherited loot in there.

That interchange is absolutely necessary.  The urban sprawl in the McKinney / Allen / Melissa / Anna area is just out of control.  Most of the interchanges in major urban areas are similar.

Finally, I'm assuming your contention with "suburban hell" is the proximity of the homes to each other, otherwise known as "postage stamp" lots?  Believe it or not, that's actually desired.  Because when you're spending 20K a year so your snowflake can play "club volleyball" or spending hundreds of dollars a month to get your fur baby groomed, who needs to be wasting income on maintaining landscapes / property?


In the context of mass sprawl all of these thing make sense - the storage, the interchange, the what-have-you - but the context is nuts. I was not labeling the postage stamp lots as hell. They are definitely preferred to mcmansions and other wastes of space. (I'm ok with small houses and some self storage, though i don't think these are that small.)
It's the massive amount of SFH developments and nothing but it. It is like lifeless mass people storage. Land uses should be more mixed. Not everything should require driving long distances. Even just leaving the subdivision for most of them is a more of a drive than I'd want to take regularly.
 
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