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2022-10-03 8:05:24 AM  
Sure. In the few places not in the throes of a mega drought, that might be true.
 
2022-10-03 9:29:45 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Sure. In the few places not in the throes of a mega drought, that might be true.


most of the areas with a worst megadrought are deserts, is lack of water in a desert really a drought? or just what should be expected?

US deserts

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2022-10-03 9:31:20 AM  
If I had the budget, I'd love to just plant trees up and down the shores of rivers all over the place.  Capture some carbon, provide some shade, slow some erosion, maybe even provide some food.
 
2022-10-03 10:04:09 AM  

kittyhas1000legs: If I had the budget, I'd love to just plant trees up and down the shores of rivers all over the place.  Capture some carbon, provide some shade, slow some erosion, maybe even provide some food.


Have you seen the shores of rivers?
 
2022-10-03 10:12:41 AM  
Too bad burning them releases all that carbon back into the atmosphere. Also too bad that climate change has already created a massive increase in acres burned over the past couple decades.
 
2022-10-03 10:21:54 AM  

petec: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Sure. In the few places not in the throes of a mega drought, that might be true.

most of the areas with a worst megadrought are deserts, is lack of water in a desert really a drought? or just what should be expected?

US deserts

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US droughts
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West coast forests have seen a significant decrease in precipitation. This also increases tree death from bark beetles, because the trees' natural defense against beetles is drowning them in sap. Reduced sap flow results in beetle population explosions, and wide swaths of dead forest, which provides additional fuel for fires.
 
2022-10-03 10:40:13 AM  
The real gluttons are the big money climate change denyers on wall street, corporate boardrooms.
 
2022-10-03 10:54:03 AM  
If anyone wants some free acorns, I have a billion in my yard from the hurricane. Come and get 'em....
 
2022-10-03 11:17:28 AM  
Makes me sick when I go back home to visit my dad and they've torn out even more of the wooded areas for gated communities.  We moved out there to be out in the country.  We tresspassed played across square miles of wooded areas, and they're just eating it all up.

It also used to be dead quiet when there was nothing going on in the neighborhood.  The place is 5 miles from the interstate, and now you can even hear that at all hours.  Traffic may have picked up, but the significant reduction in trees has also reduced the sound dampening.
 
2022-10-03 11:46:15 AM  

amigafin: If anyone wants some free acorns, I have a billion in my yard from the hurricane. Come and get 'em....


They're probably from mighty oaks.
 
2022-10-03 12:17:55 PM  
INTERESTING TIMES.
 
2022-10-03 12:18:34 PM  
Of course, the climate models already knew all about this.
 
2022-10-03 2:04:01 PM  
Damn shame people are cutting more of them down to heat their home this winter. If only we had some sort of energy policy to keep electric rates low instead of driving up prices with electric cars.
 
2022-10-03 2:10:36 PM  

Obscene_CNN: Damn shame people are cutting more of them down to heat their home this winter. If only we had some sort of energy policy to keep electric rates low instead of driving up prices with electric cars.

I don't know what's more amusing, your bare assertion about electric cars "driving up prices"  or that you believe you have a "right" to cheap pollution.
 
2022-10-03 3:54:41 PM  
The larch.
 
2022-10-03 5:01:32 PM  
We should be planting drought resistant trees in semi arid arid areas as much as possible.
 
2022-10-03 5:03:31 PM  

whidbey: Obscene_CNN: Damn shame people are cutting more of them down to heat their home this winter. If only we had some sort of energy policy to keep electric rates low instead of driving up prices with electric cars.
I don't know what's more amusing, your bare assertion about electric cars "driving up prices"  or that you believe you have a "right" to cheap pollution.


Electric cars don't drive up prices all that much anyway. They mostly charge during off peak hours.
 
2022-10-03 5:57:06 PM  

whidbey: Obscene_CNN: Damn shame people are cutting more of them down to heat their home this winter. If only we had some sort of energy policy to keep electric rates low instead of driving up prices with electric cars.
I don't know what's more amusing, your bare assertion about electric cars "driving up prices"  or that you believe you have a "right" to cheap pollution.


Damned if you do and damned if you don't.  Cars polute but wood stoves are worse.

Seeing it only takes homes in a neighborhood to install charging ports to require significant upgrades to the neighborhood distribution system you can bet it will drive up prices.
 
2022-10-03 6:07:05 PM  

Obscene_CNN: whidbey: Obscene_CNN: Damn shame people are cutting more of them down to heat their home this winter. If only we had some sort of energy policy to keep electric rates low instead of driving up prices with electric cars.
I don't know what's more amusing, your bare assertion about electric cars "driving up prices"  or that you believe you have a "right" to cheap pollution.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.  Cars polute but wood stoves are worse.

Seeing it only takes homes in a neighborhood to install charging ports to require significant upgrades to the neighborhood distribution system you can bet it will drive up prices.


You think there are as many wood stoves as there are automobiles?

you can bet it will drive up prices.

I'd rather bet on your bare assertion being the bullshiat it sounds like.
 
2022-10-03 10:45:17 PM  

whidbey: Obscene_CNN: whidbey: Obscene_CNN: Damn shame people are cutting more of them down to heat their home this winter. If only we had some sort of energy policy to keep electric rates low instead of driving up prices with electric cars.
I don't know what's more amusing, your bare assertion about electric cars "driving up prices"  or that you believe you have a "right" to cheap pollution.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.  Cars polute but wood stoves are worse.

Seeing it only takes homes in a neighborhood to install charging ports to require significant upgrades to the neighborhood distribution system you can bet it will drive up prices.

You think there are as many wood stoves as there are automobiles?

you can bet it will drive up prices.

I'd rather bet on your bare assertion being the bullshiat it sounds like.


"The Puget Sound Clean Air Agency estimates that heating a home with a correctly-operated US EPA-certified wood stove results in the emission of 97 lbs of PM2.5 annually. According to the Australian Air Quality Group, this makes the average wood stove as polluting as 2,200 gasoline-fueled passenger cars."

https://woodsmokepollution.org/environment.html
 
2022-10-04 3:30:55 AM  
For instance, if it costs $50 to plant one acre of trees today, with the help of carbon fertilization, that number could easily be decreased to $40. As climate change costs the United States about $2 trillion each year, that decrease could help drive down the cost of mitigating climate change, Sohngen said.

Oh yeah, that $10/acre difference is really going to change everything.
 
2022-10-04 3:33:09 AM  

WelldeadLink: Of course, the climate models already knew all about this.


The article says the climate models have been undershooting this. Whatev, it (temporarily) removes abotut 10% of what we add and the difference from what climate models have is maybe 2%.  Slight improvement but not a lot.
 
2022-10-04 10:09:20 AM  

Obscene_CNN: whidbey: Obscene_CNN: whidbey: Obscene_CNN: Damn shame people are cutting more of them down to heat their home this winter. If only we had some sort of energy policy to keep electric rates low instead of driving up prices with electric cars.
I don't know what's more amusing, your bare assertion about electric cars "driving up prices"  or that you believe you have a "right" to cheap pollution.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.  Cars polute but wood stoves are worse.

Seeing it only takes homes in a neighborhood to install charging ports to require significant upgrades to the neighborhood distribution system you can bet it will drive up prices.

You think there are as many wood stoves as there are automobiles?

you can bet it will drive up prices.

I'd rather bet on your bare assertion being the bullshiat it sounds like.

"The Puget Sound Clean Air Agency estimates that heating a home with a correctly-operated US EPA-certified wood stove results in the emission of 97 lbs of PM2.5 annually. According to the Australian Air Quality Group, this makes the average wood stove as polluting as 2,200 gasoline-fueled passenger cars."

https://woodsmokepollution.org/environment.html


Particulate matter (PM2.5) pollution is very different from carbon pollution. It has has short-term effects on local people's breathing, but rain pulls it out of the atmosphere pretty quickly. Carbon has long-term effects on climate, and generally stays in the atmosphere until a plant (or the ocean) pulls it back out again.

When you see a statement intended for public consumption like "wood stove as polluting as 2200 cars" keep in mind it's almost always an oversimplification. They're talking specifically about particulate matter pollution, which of course is much higher in wood stoves because burning gasoline doesn't release a lot of particulates. But a single car probably puts out more carbon than a wood stove.
 
2022-10-04 2:49:36 PM  

Obscene_CNN: whidbey: Obscene_CNN: whidbey: Obscene_CNN: Damn shame people are cutting more of them down to heat their home this winter. If only we had some sort of energy policy to keep electric rates low instead of driving up prices with electric cars.
I don't know what's more amusing, your bare assertion about electric cars "driving up prices"  or that you believe you have a "right" to cheap pollution.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.  Cars polute but wood stoves are worse.

Seeing it only takes homes in a neighborhood to install charging ports to require significant upgrades to the neighborhood distribution system you can bet it will drive up prices.

You think there are as many wood stoves as there are automobiles?

you can bet it will drive up prices.

I'd rather bet on your bare assertion being the bullshiat it sounds like.

"The Puget Sound Clean Air Agency estimates that heating a home with a correctly-operated US EPA-certified wood stove results in the emission of 97 lbs of PM2.5 annually. According to the Australian Air Quality Group, this makes the average wood stove as polluting as 2,200 gasoline-fueled passenger cars."

https://woodsmokepollution.org/environment.html


Yes we know wood stoves suck.

Your assertion that there are as many as cars, or that it somehow eclipses the number of cars on the road still makes you the tool you are.

And don't smart your own posts. It's tacky.
 
2022-10-04 2:59:05 PM  

whidbey: Obscene_CNN: whidbey: Obscene_CNN: whidbey: Obscene_CNN: Damn shame people are cutting more of them down to heat their home this winter. If only we had some sort of energy policy to keep electric rates low instead of driving up prices with electric cars.
I don't know what's more amusing, your bare assertion about electric cars "driving up prices"  or that you believe you have a "right" to cheap pollution.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.  Cars polute but wood stoves are worse.

Seeing it only takes homes in a neighborhood to install charging ports to require significant upgrades to the neighborhood distribution system you can bet it will drive up prices.

You think there are as many wood stoves as there are automobiles?

you can bet it will drive up prices.

I'd rather bet on your bare assertion being the bullshiat it sounds like.

"The Puget Sound Clean Air Agency estimates that heating a home with a correctly-operated US EPA-certified wood stove results in the emission of 97 lbs of PM2.5 annually. According to the Australian Air Quality Group, this makes the average wood stove as polluting as 2,200 gasoline-fueled passenger cars."

https://woodsmokepollution.org/environment.html

Yes we know wood stoves suck.

Your assertion that there are as many as cars, or that it somehow eclipses the number of cars on the road still makes you the tool you are.

And don't smart your own posts. It's tacky.


Didn't self smart. But if you want me too then now its two and counting.

I can back up my assertions. You can't. Better a tool than a twat like you.
 
2022-10-04 3:05:23 PM  

Obscene_CNN: whidbey: Obscene_CNN: whidbey: Obscene_CNN: whidbey: Obscene_CNN: Damn shame people are cutting more of them down to heat their home this winter. If only we had some sort of energy policy to keep electric rates low instead of driving up prices with electric cars.
I don't know what's more amusing, your bare assertion about electric cars "driving up prices"  or that you believe you have a "right" to cheap pollution.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.  Cars polute but wood stoves are worse.

Seeing it only takes homes in a neighborhood to install charging ports to require significant upgrades to the neighborhood distribution system you can bet it will drive up prices.

You think there are as many wood stoves as there are automobiles?

you can bet it will drive up prices.

I'd rather bet on your bare assertion being the bullshiat it sounds like.

"The Puget Sound Clean Air Agency estimates that heating a home with a correctly-operated US EPA-certified wood stove results in the emission of 97 lbs of PM2.5 annually. According to the Australian Air Quality Group, this makes the average wood stove as polluting as 2,200 gasoline-fueled passenger cars."

https://woodsmokepollution.org/environment.html

Yes we know wood stoves suck.

Your assertion that there are as many as cars, or that it somehow eclipses the number of cars on the road still makes you the tool you are.

And don't smart your own posts. It's tacky.

Didn't self smart. But if you want me too then now its two and counting.

I can back up my assertions. You can't. Better a tool than a twat like you.


So you do admit you're a tool of the right wing, dedicated to opposing progressive environmental solutions.

Didn't actually expect that kind of confession.
 
2022-10-04 9:23:16 PM  

whidbey: Obscene_CNN: whidbey: Obscene_CNN: whidbey: Obscene_CNN: whidbey: Obscene_CNN: Damn shame people are cutting more of them down to heat their home this winter. If only we had some sort of energy policy to keep electric rates low instead of driving up prices with electric cars.
I don't know what's more amusing, your bare assertion about electric cars "driving up prices"  or that you believe you have a "right" to cheap pollution.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.  Cars polute but wood stoves are worse.

Seeing it only takes homes in a neighborhood to install charging ports to require significant upgrades to the neighborhood distribution system you can bet it will drive up prices.

You think there are as many wood stoves as there are automobiles?

you can bet it will drive up prices.

I'd rather bet on your bare assertion being the bullshiat it sounds like.

"The Puget Sound Clean Air Agency estimates that heating a home with a correctly-operated US EPA-certified wood stove results in the emission of 97 lbs of PM2.5 annually. According to the Australian Air Quality Group, this makes the average wood stove as polluting as 2,200 gasoline-fueled passenger cars."

https://woodsmokepollution.org/environment.html

Yes we know wood stoves suck.

Your assertion that there are as many as cars, or that it somehow eclipses the number of cars on the road still makes you the tool you are.

And don't smart your own posts. It's tacky.

Didn't self smart. But if you want me too then now its two and counting.

I can back up my assertions. You can't. Better a tool than a twat like you.

So you do admit you're a tool of the right wing, dedicated to opposing progressive environmental solutions.

Didn't actually expect that kind of confession.


I'm capable of independent thought. \which seems to be a challenge for you. Being opposed to fireplaces is not really a GOP platform plank. In fact quite the opposite.

I have whats called self identity.

Your need to identify with a group and put people in groups shows you lack this.
 
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