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(BBC)   First it's cutting down old growth forest, what's next, encircling the earth with chemical weapons while hosting an Aryan space orgy?   (bbc.co.uk) divider line
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2022-10-03 8:07:25 AM  
Wait until you learn what the Germans have been doing...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine
 
2022-10-03 8:07:25 AM  
We are not destroying the Earth. We are destroying our own ability to survive on Earth.
 
2022-10-03 8:07:55 AM  
Yeah but isn't there some money to be made for a few already wealthy people? That's really what's important.
 
2022-10-03 8:08:28 AM  
Can't they just burn the plywood and scraps and crap from hurricane cleanup?
 
2022-10-03 8:08:35 AM  
Drax?  I thought James Bond sent him packing.
 
2022-10-03 8:09:49 AM  
You can't see it because they're moving so slowly
 
2022-10-03 8:09:51 AM  

NM Volunteer: Can't they just burn the plywood and scraps and crap from hurricane cleanup?


Not with all that fiberglass and molding and mold in it.  It would be a worker safety issue.  Not to mention polluting the environment (partially serious).
 
2022-10-03 8:11:38 AM  

Veloram: You can't see it because they're moving so slowly


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2022-10-03 8:12:58 AM  
Aryan Space Orgy is my Alan Parsons Project cover band.
 
2022-10-03 8:14:52 AM  

rudemix: Yeah but isn't there some money to be made for a few already wealthy people? That's really what's important.


Every day just convinces me more and more that the Roswell crash was a Ferengi ship, they survived and taken over the illuminati.
 
2022-10-03 8:15:34 AM  
"Look after Mr. Bond Canada's primary forest. See that some harm comes to him it."
 
2022-10-03 8:15:53 AM  

Diocletian's Last Cabbage: Drax?  I thought James Bond sent him packing.


Had to rake something other than the Moon, it would seem.
 
2022-10-03 8:16:28 AM  
Maybe burning stuff is just a bad idea in general.
 
2022-10-03 8:18:40 AM  

iheartscotch: We are not destroying the Earth. We are destroying our own ability to survive on Earth.


We are not destroying Earth, if you define Earth as "a big chunk of rock orbiting the star Sol".
 
2022-10-03 8:20:00 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Veloram: You can't see it because they're moving so slowly

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2022-10-03 8:21:01 AM  
"Kids love this Star Wars thing.  Do something with Bond in space!"

And that's how we got Moonraker.
 
2022-10-03 8:26:28 AM  

Rapmaster2000: "Kids love this Star Wars thing.  Do something with Bond in space!"

And that's how we got Moonraker.


If you don't rake the moon you risk moon forest fires
 
2022-10-03 8:28:32 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: iheartscotch: We are not destroying the Earth. We are destroying our own ability to survive on Earth.

We are not destroying Earth, if you define Earth as "a big chunk of rock orbiting the star Sol".


We've redefined life on Earth as a service instead of a product and are seeing massive gains for shareholders.
 
2022-10-03 8:28:35 AM  

Rapmaster2000: "Kids love this Star Wars thing.  Do something with Bond in space!"

And that's how we got Moonraker.


Ian Flemming wrote the book in the 50s.

After SW they got the budget to make the movie.
 
2022-10-03 8:30:57 AM  

iheartscotch: We are not destroying the Earth. We are destroying our own ability to survive on Earth.


Which I wouldn't mind so much, if we weren't taking everything else down with us.  By the time we "destroy our own ability to survive," little else is going to be surviving either.
 
2022-10-03 8:44:00 AM  
My question is, if the forest was old growth and "primary" whatever that means, why was a permit to log it granted, Environment Canada is pretty strict when it comes to those permits, also the article states how far it is to the nearest paved roads, Western Canada has very few paved roads compared to dirt roads, but that is another issue.   The company logging and claiming they only use waste, that is a load of crap.

The truth is there is very little or no untouched old growth forest left in North America, it has been being logged since the 1500s in the east and the early 1800s in British Columbia.
 
2022-10-03 8:45:29 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: Rapmaster2000: "Kids love this Star Wars thing.  Do something with Bond in space!"

And that's how we got Moonraker.

Ian Flemming wrote the book in the 50s.

After SW they got the budget to make the movie.


Yeah, but the book didn't involve Aryan space orgies or space stations. It was about a Nazi rocket science working for the British while secretly planning his revenge on the UK.

Nor did the book include lines like, "Mr Bond, you defy all my attempts to plan an amusing death for you," which is a shame.
 
2022-10-03 8:48:13 AM  
Typical imperial BBC telling Canada how to manage it's forests.
 
2022-10-03 8:53:15 AM  
Turning these trees into pellets makes zero economic sense. This is like acquiring wagyu from Japan and making it into pet food to be sold at the Dollar store. Those logs are worth a fortune.
 
2022-10-03 9:13:07 AM  
Burning wood is considered "renewable energy"?

That a new level of stupid.
 
2022-10-03 9:32:57 AM  
Wait.  Are you saying Aryan space orgies are back?  The pandemic must really be over this time.
 
2022-10-03 9:34:44 AM  

madgonad: Turning these trees into pellets makes zero economic sense. This is like acquiring wagyu from Japan and making it into pet food to be sold at the Dollar store. Those logs are worth a fortune.


Never underestimate the power of marketing. We're already making it into pet food. And hot dogs.
 
2022-10-03 9:36:05 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: ArcadianRefugee: Veloram: You can't see it because they're moving so slowly

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Came for this.  Leaving satisfied.
 
2022-10-03 9:41:59 AM  

FormlessOne: madgonad: Turning these trees into pellets makes zero economic sense. This is like acquiring wagyu from Japan and making it into pet food to be sold at the Dollar store. Those logs are worth a fortune.

Never underestimate the power of marketing. We're already making it into pet food. And hot dogs.


Yeah, I thought of that. That's why I added the Dollar store part. There is some stupid-expensive pet food out there.
 
2022-10-03 9:47:13 AM  

No Catchy Nickname: brainlordmesomorph: Rapmaster2000: "Kids love this Star Wars thing.  Do something with Bond in space!"

And that's how we got Moonraker.

Ian Flemming wrote the book in the 50s.

After SW they got the budget to make the movie.

Yeah, but the book didn't involve Aryan space orgies or space stations. It was about a Nazi rocket science working for the British while secretly planning his revenge on the UK.

Nor did the book include lines like, "Mr Bond, you defy all my attempts to plan an amusing death for you," which is a shame.


I'm guessing the book didn't include this silliness.
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2022-10-03 9:49:26 AM  
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2022-10-03 9:57:04 AM  

FormlessOne: madgonad: Turning these trees into pellets makes zero economic sense. This is like acquiring wagyu from Japan and making it into pet food to be sold at the Dollar store. Those logs are worth a fortune.

Never underestimate the power of marketing. We're already making it into pet food. And hot dogs.


$14 a kilo, so a veblen good.
 
2022-10-03 9:58:26 AM  
Drax said it did not use the logs from the two sites Panorama identified. It said they were sent to timber mills - to make wood products - and that Drax only used the leftover sawdust for its pellets.

"Okay, yes, we clear cut the old growth forest, but we didn't burn much of it! We sold most of the wood and burned what was left, so it's fine!"

/ and even that was a lie
// great investigative work proving the company lied their asses off
 
2022-10-03 10:08:29 AM  

Tom_Slick: My question is, if the forest was old growth and "primary" whatever that means, why was a permit to log it granted, Environment Canada is pretty strict when it comes to those permits, also the article states how far it is to the nearest paved roads, Western Canada has very few paved roads compared to dirt roads, but that is another issue.   The company logging and claiming they only use waste, that is a load of crap.


Old growth forest has a specific meaning. You can read about it here.

The truth is there is very little or no untouched old growth forest left in North America, it has been being logged since the 1500s in the east and the early 1800s in British Columbia.

There's some though not very much, which is why what's left should be protected. "Not much" is still millions of acres though. Canada, Brazil, and Russia have the most.
 
2022-10-03 10:11:16 AM  

madgonad: Turning these trees into pellets makes zero economic sense. This is like acquiring wagyu from Japan and making it into pet food to be sold at the Dollar store. Those logs are worth a fortune.


I guess TFA says they actually sent the trees to be milled, and then used the sawdust from that.

I mean these could be beetle kill, but I doubt it.
 
2022-10-03 10:16:10 AM  

meat0918: madgonad: Turning these trees into pellets makes zero economic sense. This is like acquiring wagyu from Japan and making it into pet food to be sold at the Dollar store. Those logs are worth a fortune.

I guess TFA says they actually sent the trees to be milled, and then used the sawdust from that.

I mean these could be beetle kill, but I doubt it.


But that turned out to be a lie. They aren't just using the sawdust. Also, I sure as hell wouldn't give them much credit for cutting down the old growth forest and selling the wood for lumber instead of burning it.
 
2022-10-03 10:27:44 AM  

patrick767: meat0918: madgonad: Turning these trees into pellets makes zero economic sense. This is like acquiring wagyu from Japan and making it into pet food to be sold at the Dollar store. Those logs are worth a fortune.

I guess TFA says they actually sent the trees to be milled, and then used the sawdust from that.

I mean these could be beetle kill, but I doubt it.

But that turned out to be a lie. They aren't just using the sawdust. Also, I sure as hell wouldn't give them much credit for cutting down the old growth forest and selling the wood for lumber instead of burning it.


Yeah I went back and read the article and realized I had missed that part. My bad.

Blows my mind that they would turn valuable timber into pellets.

It's bad enough they're cutting it to begin with.
 
2022-10-03 10:35:09 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: Rapmaster2000: "Kids love this Star Wars thing.  Do something with Bond in space!"

And that's how we got Moonraker.

Ian Flemming wrote the book in the 50s.

After SW they got the budget to make the movie.


You should read the books some time. Some of the film adaptations are fairly close, some don't use anything other than the title and character names.
 
2022-10-03 10:41:16 AM  

Albert911emt: Burning wood is considered "renewable energy"?

That a new level of stupid.


When you define 'renewable' as 'no net new carbon,' then it is. And they do define it that way, because it requires no actual change in behaviour.
 
2022-10-03 10:43:02 AM  

patrick767: Tom_Slick: My question is, if the forest was old growth and "primary" whatever that means, why was a permit to log it granted, Environment Canada is pretty strict when it comes to those permits, also the article states how far it is to the nearest paved roads, Western Canada has very few paved roads compared to dirt roads, but that is another issue.   The company logging and claiming they only use waste, that is a load of crap.

Old growth forest has a specific meaning. You can read about it here.

The truth is there is very little or no untouched old growth forest left in North America, it has been being logged since the 1500s in the east and the early 1800s in British Columbia.

There's some though not very much, which is why what's left should be protected. "Not much" is still millions of acres though. Canada, Brazil, and Russia have the most.


Then it's really on Environment Canada then the permit shouldn't have been issued
 
2022-10-03 10:44:18 AM  
SHAME ALL ROUND
 
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2022-10-03 10:48:43 AM  
"First it's cutting down old growth forest, what's next, encircling the earth with chemical weapons while hosting an Aryan space orgy?"

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2022-10-03 11:18:15 AM  

rudemix: Yeah but isn't there some money to be made for a few already wealthy people? That's really what's important.


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2022-10-03 11:20:48 AM  

Meningioma Farmer: Aryan Space Orgy is my Alan Parsons Project cover band.


Did someone say Aryan Space Orgy?
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2022-10-03 11:24:37 AM  

Tom_Slick: Then it's really on Environment Canada then the permit shouldn't have been issued


Yes, but I'm not going to give the company a pass when they do something shiatty because they figure they can.
 
2022-10-03 11:28:08 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: ArcadianRefugee: Veloram: You can't see it because they're moving so slowly

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Eddie Munster All Grown Up!
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2022-10-03 11:29:55 AM  

DVD: "First it's cutting down old growth forest, what's next, encircling the earth with chemical weapons while hosting an Aryan space orgy?"

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Wish I had this one...

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2022-10-03 11:32:24 AM  

thenewflesh: ou should read the books some time.


Of course, they have aged spectacularly poorly.  Took me a while to understand that he was using [n-word]heads to mean coral outcroppings. The racism, sexism, and homophobia is jarring even for someone who expects it.

For all that, still good books.  Just go in warned.
 
2022-10-03 11:34:29 AM  

Rapmaster2000: "Kids love this Star Wars thing.  Do something with Bond in space!"

And that's how we got Moonraker.


I was just reading about that on TVTropes.org last night. Cool stuff.
 
2022-10-03 12:40:51 PM  

Tom_Slick: My question is, if the forest was old growth and "primary" whatever that means, why was a permit to log it granted, Environment Canada is pretty strict when it comes to those permits, also the article states how far it is to the nearest paved roads, Western Canada has very few paved roads compared to dirt roads, but that is another issue.   The company logging and claiming they only use waste, that is a load of crap.

The truth is there is very little or no untouched old growth forest left in North America, it has been being logged since the 1500s in the east and the early 1800s in British Columbia.


Most people really don't understand the forestry industry.  Done properly it's not particularly destructive.  Modern forestry is usually cutting a large clearing into an existing forest and then replanting the trees.  It's essentially long term farming.  The clearings provide animals with more food as sunlight helps plants grow as well as providing fire breaks.

Old growth forests are usually not the most healthy forests. They are prone to fire, and often lack healthy underbrush to support animal life.  In a 'natural' environment they would usually burn down.  Cutting them partially down is not a bad thing.

Forestry in Canada is extremely regulated, and not a slash and burn operation.  If a company has the rights to log in an area, there is probably a good reason.  Whether they actually use sawdust in their products is a different issue.
 
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