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(AP News)   While Ukrainian farmers were stealing Russian tanks, Russia was stealing Ukrainian grain   (apnews.com) divider line
    More: Asinine, Russia, Ukraine, Cargo ship, Crimea, bulk cargo ship Laodicea, Russian-run, said cargo, state-owned companies  
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1140 clicks; posted to Politics » on 03 Oct 2022 at 8:10 AM (9 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-10-03 4:15:38 AM  
Grain, cars, washing machines, clothing, toys....

This wasn't so much a war, as a massive armed robbery.
 
2022-10-03 4:26:31 AM  
And nothing will happen because the company has a piece of paper that says "humanitarian aid for Burkina Faso."

The only real answer is to sink the ships. But then you kill the crews who are mostly just guys trying to feed their families.

Excellent reporting, truly.

All it will lead to is MAYBE they change the Russian port name to a port that can handle the ship size.
 
2022-10-03 6:14:38 AM  

bloobeary: Grain, cars, washing machines, clothing, toys....

This wasn't so much a war, as a massive armed robbery.


Let's not forget the civilians that have been scooted across the border too.

This IS about robbery. Kleptograts need new feeding grounds. They've pretty much wrung the rag out on Russia, and they NEED new targets. International trade is OK, but their efforts are already eroding their commercial space launch programs. They have natural resources still, but they've sort of cut their own throats to actually sell those off. They already sold off most of the good stuff from their arsenals, leaving themselves with crap they couldn't get running to load onto trains and planes.

The kleptocrats took a nation with vast resources, and threw EVERYTHING they had in the cupboards for sale. And it looked like those warehouses were going to last forever. By then, they had shut down their own production lines, but they had cash, so they could buy stuff from the West to cobble together tech, and feel like they were doing stuff. But they haven't really invested in the country much, they certainly haven't invested in their people, and not too many folks are investing in Russian businesses, because they can't really be trusted to deliver. The skim is just too open, and greedy, but it's what they got. And they did it to themselves. And now, having sucked about the last of the cash that they can suck from their own people, they've GOT to find new warehouses to raid, new people to rob, new lands to strip bare. Because they threw out their education standards a while back, and are just now realizing that if a tiny percentage of your people can do the important technical work, it sort of cuts into your market share.

Ukraine is a vast warehouse to loot. It's got an educated populace that they figure they can exploit, a bunch of workers that they can get for cheap closer to Europe, so that they don't have to invest in building anything new, and it can feed a lot of people, and they've got a lot of people who need feeding back home. Ukraine was an integral part of the USSR, even though they treated her like sh*t, because they didn't want them getting ideas. And oddly enough, people have memories of that sh*t.

Ukraine KNOWS, intimately, what awaits them as a vassal state. They won't see anything looking like representation in the government, they will have everything of value that isn't nailed down sent back to Russia, their schools and future industry will be stripped and degraded to a point where soon enough, they'll be as sh*tty as Russia is today.

The soldiers are just starting the party off early, because they're the tip of the spear. But if the oligarchs get their ham fists into the country much further, they're going to loot it down to the floorboards. Art, industry, agriculture, natural resources, people. It's all got to feed the monster back home, because they don't have a lot left to loot, and they've sort of lost the ability to do much more than maintain. The industry that they have isn't innovating, it's pretty much copying whoever they can steal from. It's a dysfunctional society that could have chosen to join the international community, and instead just drowned themselves in all the toys and luxuries that they could find  in grasshopper fashion. Now they NEED to try to swarm elsewhere like the locusts that they've turned into.
 
2022-10-03 8:11:15 AM  

bloobeary: Grain, cars, washing machines, clothing, toys....

This wasn't so much a war, as a massive armed robbery.


All wars are massive armed robberies.
 
2022-10-03 8:13:05 AM  

hubiestubert: The soldiers are just starting the party off early, because they're the tip of the spear. But if the oligarchs get their ham fists into the country much further, they're going to loot it down to the floorboards. Art, industry, agriculture, natural resources, people. It's all got to feed the monster back home, because they don't have a lot left to loot, and they've sort of lost the ability to do much more than maintain. The industry that they have isn't innovating, it's pretty much copying whoever they can steal from. It's a dysfunctional society that could have chosen to join the international community, and instead just drowned themselves in all the toys and luxuries that they could find in grasshopper fashion. Now they NEED to try to swarm elsewhere like the locusts that they've turned into.


So, basically, Russia has morphed into the 40K Tyrannid or ID4 aliens.
 
2022-10-03 8:14:32 AM  

AurizenDarkstar: hubiestubert: The soldiers are just starting the party off early, because they're the tip of the spear. But if the oligarchs get their ham fists into the country much further, they're going to loot it down to the floorboards. Art, industry, agriculture, natural resources, people. It's all got to feed the monster back home, because they don't have a lot left to loot, and they've sort of lost the ability to do much more than maintain. The industry that they have isn't innovating, it's pretty much copying whoever they can steal from. It's a dysfunctional society that could have chosen to join the international community, and instead just drowned themselves in all the toys and luxuries that they could find in grasshopper fashion. Now they NEED to try to swarm elsewhere like the locusts that they've turned into.

So, basically, Russia has morphed into the 40K Tyrannid or ID4 aliens.


Except much much less competent
 
2022-10-03 8:20:20 AM  
Funny story (true story): Roman armies would carry scythes, flails, and portable mills for harvesting, threshing, and grinding any grain they came across on the march, and they would time their march at harvest precisely so they could take advantage.
 
2022-10-03 8:22:42 AM  
The worst part is that the sale of the grain helps further fund their war effort.
 
2022-10-03 8:27:53 AM  

RasIanI: The worst part is that the sale of the grain helps further fund their war effort.


It's also going to really piss off the Ukrainians.
 
2022-10-03 9:01:15 AM  
Grain sales weren't part part of the sanctions.   No wonder Russia announced record grain harvests.
 
2022-10-03 9:21:11 AM  
Wasn't the grain in such bad shape it could kill whatever ate it?

Let 'em have it.
 
2022-10-03 9:36:19 AM  
Sigh. In a better world other countries would take one look at what Russia's doing and go "You know what? We're not trading with you now. You get nothing. Good day sir." But of course there are always some who see that they can make some money off of this and instead decide "What? Russian's are STEALING? Never! Come on in comrade! Put the check on my desk..."
 
2022-10-03 9:53:00 AM  
That's because it's easier to make vodka out of grain than out of tanks.
 
2022-10-03 10:07:43 AM  
That's how they got that 'record crop' they reported this year.
 
2022-10-03 10:08:51 AM  

Snarfangel: That's because it's easier to make vodka out of grain than out of tanks.


A still made out a tank would look pretty badass though.
 
2022-10-03 11:58:04 AM  
We really need an old news tag. Yet again, this has been a topic of discussion for MONTHS here. How is AP so farking far behind?
 
2022-10-03 2:02:26 PM  
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2022-10-03 3:26:45 PM  

bloobeary: Grain, cars, washing machines, clothing, toys....

This wasn't so much a war, as a massive armed robbery.


How many wars aren't?  The whole reason Gettysburg was fought was the pro-slavery forces needed shoes badly.  Midway, Stalingrad, and most mideastern wars were over oil.  If you can't keep the land you are trying to steal, at least grab the furnishings.
 
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