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(NBC News)   It only took them about a decade, but Republicans are finally ready to give up on repealing Obamacare. For now   (nbcnews.com) divider line
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2022-10-02 10:57:06 AM  
...but they still think he was born in Kenya!
 
2022-10-02 12:40:31 PM  
Lying
 
2022-10-02 12:41:07 PM  
They NEVER had a plan to replace it.

Just a whole lot of, "We gots ta destroy everythang that guy did!"

How embarrassing to be this wealthy of a country without universal healthcare.
 
2022-10-02 12:41:58 PM  
They aren't giving up, they are letting this roung go while they wait on midterm election outcomes. If they take control, it will come back up, and its among many things they will repeal, replace, or manage to bend in a way that only benefits them.
 
2022-10-02 12:43:30 PM  

Fern Crest: They NEVER had a plan to replace it.


They had a plan, but that meddling John McCain thwarted them.
 
2022-10-02 12:43:30 PM  
There was an article that said 100,000 Americans have medical debt.
They are very happy with it now.The cruelty is the point.
 
2022-10-02 12:43:55 PM  
Only a complete moron would think they won't try to push through a repeal in about 5 minutes if they get a chance.
 
2022-10-02 12:44:03 PM  

sinner4ever: There was an article that said 100,000 Americans have medical debt.
They are very happy with it now.The cruelty is the point.


100,000,000  forgot a couple zeros
 
2022-10-02 12:47:39 PM  

Phil McKraken: Fern Crest: They NEVER had a plan to replace it.

They had a plan, but that meddling John McCain thwarted them.


Mavericks will do that to ya. You just cant control those mavericks, man,   tell ya. They even put john 'maverick' mccain on his tombstone.

/maverick
 
2022-10-02 12:49:02 PM  
Sixty years later, Republicans want to abolish Medicare.

They will never give up forcing you to give your labor and wealth to the already wealthy.
 
2022-10-02 12:50:45 PM  
The greatest illustration of how dysfunctional and destructive our two party system and partisan politics is, is how republicans have spent the last decade trying to destroy their own healthcare plan out of sheer petty spite.
 
2022-10-02 12:53:29 PM  
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2022-10-02 12:53:40 PM  
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2022-10-02 12:54:46 PM  
ACA IS HERE TO STAY, REPUBLICANS!

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2022-10-02 12:55:15 PM  
It's been around long enough that the fishbrains have forgotten why they hated it. That and the GOP never had a replacement plan outside of be rich or die young. They would have liked it to not be an issue in 2018, but  Trump kept pushing it out of petty spite. At the end of the day the people that make decisions in the republican party knew that it is good policy and taking it away would be shooting themselves in the dick with a cruise missile, they also knew they could never admit that in public, so letting the issue quietly die is a good thing for them.
 
2022-10-02 12:55:53 PM  

MattytheMouse: The greatest illustration of how dysfunctional and destructive our two party system and partisan politics is, is how republicans have spent the last decade trying to destroy their own healthcare plan out of sheer petty spite.


Tangentially related, but I'm still surprised that the fact that Mitt Romney successfully enacted the affordable care as governor barely came up in the 2012 campaign. Again, illustration of the fecklessness of "they go low, we go high," lol
 
2022-10-02 12:57:00 PM  
They're not going to stab it in the heart, they're going to remove it's hands. Then, it's arms. Then, it's feet. Then, it's legs. Then, they'll say it's not useful anymore, and stabbing it in the heart is a mercy killing, and they'll stab what's left in the heart. They've learned that the long plan works.
 
2022-10-02 12:58:15 PM  
Why go after the ACA when the real target has always been Medicare?
 
2022-10-02 1:01:20 PM  
Why bother fighting the ACA when they have all the data they need to determine Long Covid is going to break participating insurers?
 
2022-10-02 1:05:12 PM  

Fern Crest: They NEVER had a plan to replace it.

Just a whole lot of, "We gots ta destroy everythang that guy did!"

How embarrassing to be this wealthy of a country without universal healthcare.


It was their plan to begin with, ffs.
 
2022-10-02 1:05:25 PM  
They haven't especially been trying to repeal it; they've been trying to get positioned to exploit it, since there's a whole buncha money involved.  If they're cutting back on claiming they're getting rid of it, they're probably entrenched, and maybe now they'll even try to increase funding so there's more to grift off it.

Time will tell.
 
2022-10-02 1:11:52 PM  
The funny thing about it is that Obamacare is primarily for the self-employed and every self-employed person I know is a Republican.
 
2022-10-02 1:17:16 PM  

sinner4ever: There was an article that said 100,000 Americans have medical debt.
They are very happy with it now.The cruelty is the point.


It was 100 million.
 
2022-10-02 1:28:06 PM  
Looks like the status quo has done a great job deflecting blame for the garbage health care system we have now, where people are consume poisons and encouraged to take drugs to "fix" the problems caused by the poisons. As opposed to making sure everyone is healthy with regular preventive care and maintenance, like the rest of the world.

USA! USA!

Anyone who says we can't have M4A is either making money with the insurance industry or spewing propaganda fed to them by their favorite political party or media outlet, paid for by the Insurance Lobby®.

This post will be funnied by nobody that has been bankrupted by medical bills.
 
2022-10-02 1:28:18 PM  

sinner4ever: The funny thing about it is that Obamacare is primarily for the self-employed and every self-employed person I know is a Republican.


I'm self-employed and I'm not! D=
 
2022-10-02 1:30:28 PM  
Aren't they still trying to murder Social Security some 80+ years later?  They'll swing back around to this, bank on it.
 
2022-10-02 1:35:12 PM  
its already FUBAR, why bother?
 
2022-10-02 1:37:50 PM  

MattytheMouse: sinner4ever: The funny thing about it is that Obamacare is primarily for the self-employed and every self-employed person I know is a Republican.

I'm self-employed and I'm not! D=


same here - republican arguments against ACA melt fast but they still won't acknowledge facts.
 
2022-10-02 1:39:38 PM  

MattytheMouse: sinner4ever: The funny thing about it is that Obamacare is primarily for the self-employed and every self-employed person I know is a Republican.

I'm self-employed and I'm not! D=


same here,

also ACA coverage sucks for the self employed, if you have a good year and make more money than you expected you get penalized and have have to pay them more!

The whole thing needs to based on last year's income, not this year's income, b/c you don't know this year's income yet.
 
2022-10-02 1:45:22 PM  

Phil McKraken: Fern Crest: They NEVER had a plan to replace it.

They had a plan, but that meddling John McCain thwarted them.


Yes, I don't know why idiots keep repeating the 'they didnt have a plan'.  Yeah, they did.  They literally voted on it!  It was a terrible plan.  But it was a plan.  And John McCain's nearly dead carcass showed up in his final vote to vote against it.

But Obamacare (now that USA people outside of fark actually understand most of its benefits) is REALLY popular.  People like having deductibles that aren't skyhigh, being able to stay on their parents insurance through college, having lifetime and yearly caps removed, having all preventative care covered fully, introducing out of pocket maximums, having preexisting conditions covered, having premiums subsidized, etc.  That stuff is all amazing.

You try and take that away now, they'll vote you the hell out pronto.
 
2022-10-02 1:49:07 PM  

brainlordmesomorph: MattytheMouse: sinner4ever: The funny thing about it is that Obamacare is primarily for the self-employed and every self-employed person I know is a Republican.

I'm self-employed and I'm not! D=

same here,

also ACA coverage sucks for the self employed, if you have a good year and make more money than you expected you get penalized and have have to pay them more!

The whole thing needs to based on last year's income, not this year's income, b/c you don't know this year's income yet.


The ACA is a wet dream concocted by the insurance companies that not only increased their customer base, but also allowed them to siphon as much money out of the system while providing as little care as possible.
We didn't have a hospital bed shortage because of covid, there has been a shortage ever since the insurance companies REDUCED the amount of available beds over the last 20 years.
They blamed it on covid, and idiots lapped that shiat up like a puppy with raw hamburger meat.
Meanwhile, there is still a shortage of beds...
 
2022-10-02 1:51:38 PM  
Nah. They'll keep trying. Nothing is permanent. There is no time limit or statute of limitations.

If they can repeal Roe after 50 years, they can take all the time they like to repeal Obamacare. They just have to be patient, and play the long game.
 
2022-10-02 1:56:22 PM  
Yeah, no they're not.

Republicans have no issue with standing for something that's wildly popular and well liked.

They said for decades they wanted to ban abortion and they managed to get the major roadblock out of the way to make that happen.  Despite the fact that the majority of the country has moved on and supports it, they're still actively working to make that happen as much as possible.

If you don't bring a plate to some of the tables in the Big Tent now and again it'll fall down.
 
2022-10-02 2:00:34 PM  
Eh, next time they control the House, just be prepared for 50+ symbolic votes to impeach President Biden (or any other future Democratic President) in place of all the times they voted to repeal Obamacare over the past 12 years.
 
2022-10-02 2:10:01 PM  

Fern Crest: How embarrassing to be this wealthy of a country without universal healthcare.


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2022-10-02 3:27:05 PM  

jake3988: Phil McKraken: Fern Crest: They NEVER had a plan to replace it.

They had a plan, but that meddling John McCain thwarted them.

Yes, I don't know why idiots keep repeating the 'they didnt have a plan'.  Yeah, they did.  They literally voted on it!  It was a terrible plan.  But it was a plan.  And John McCain's nearly dead carcass showed up in his final vote to vote against it.

But Obamacare (now that USA people outside of fark actually understand most of its benefits) is REALLY popular.  People like having deductibles that aren't skyhigh, being able to stay on their parents insurance through college, having lifetime and yearly caps removed, having all preventative care covered fully, introducing out of pocket maximums, having preexisting conditions covered, having premiums subsidized, etc.  That stuff is all amazing.

You try and take that away now, they'll vote you the hell out pronto.


Their "plan" was an election gimmick they got forced into voting on. I really doubt many of them actually wanted to vote on it, much less pass it. They certainly didn't put much effort into it. They find themselves in that kind of situation a lot, when they want a bill (budget, bailout) to pass, or not pass as the case may be, but are terrified of doing anything that could be interpreted as helping democrats. Even if it helps their constituents and is broadly supported, the 20% of their hard-core trumpist block will still punish them for it. Because they've already defined anything useful they can do as the worst form of communism.
 
2022-10-02 3:30:31 PM  
Why spend the congressional effort when the fringe republican Supreme Court majority will get around to Obama Obamacare eventually?
 
2022-10-02 3:40:33 PM  
The reason they lost in 2018 was because of their rabid attempts of doing so.
 
2022-10-02 4:12:23 PM  
Well, it's not like they haven't done enough damage already.  They've farked over millions with their successful challenges and unwillingness to implement key elements.
 
2022-10-02 4:13:38 PM  

Mail Order American Husband: jake3988: Phil McKraken: Fern Crest: They NEVER had a plan to replace it.

They had a plan, but that meddling John McCain thwarted them.

Yes, I don't know why idiots keep repeating the 'they didnt have a plan'.  Yeah, they did.  They literally voted on it!  It was a terrible plan.  But it was a plan.  And John McCain's nearly dead carcass showed up in his final vote to vote against it.

But Obamacare (now that USA people outside of fark actually understand most of its benefits) is REALLY popular.  People like having deductibles that aren't skyhigh, being able to stay on their parents insurance through college, having lifetime and yearly caps removed, having all preventative care covered fully, introducing out of pocket maximums, having preexisting conditions covered, having premiums subsidized, etc.  That stuff is all amazing.

You try and take that away now, they'll vote you the hell out pronto.

Their "plan" was an election gimmick they got forced into voting on. I really doubt many of them actually wanted to vote on it, much less pass it. They certainly didn't put much effort into it. They find themselves in that kind of situation a lot, when they want a bill (budget, bailout) to pass, or not pass as the case may be, but are terrified of doing anything that could be interpreted as helping democrats. Even if it helps their constituents and is broadly supported, the 20% of their hard-core trumpist block will still punish them for it. Because they've already defined anything useful they can do as the worst form of communism.


The ACA is popular, but Obamacare isn't. You can tell where the propaganda works because they're the same thing with different labels depending on whether you listen to certain types of propaganda.

Interestingly, there's a similar historical precedent in other countries, just many decades ago. Some people fought hard against socialist healthcare, but once they got a taste they fought equally hard to retain it. The ACA didn't go as far as those countries did, and it's a shame to see the same arguments generations after the sensible solutions have already been implemented across the world, but hopefully you guys get further progress later. Hopefully, the first disease you cure is the one that's causing people to vote against their interests if the other sports team's name is on the ballot.
 
2022-10-02 4:27:31 PM  

Phil McKraken: Fern Crest: They NEVER had a plan to replace it.

They had a plan, but that meddling John McCain thwarted them.


Their plan was to have John McCain thwart it at the last second.
 
2022-10-02 4:29:13 PM  

Blathering Idjut: Why spend the congressional effort when the fringe republican Supreme Court majority will get around to Obama Obamacare eventually?


DING DING DING. We have a winner.

Every Republican congress critter has learned one critical lesson this year:

Legislation is unnecessary. All that is needed with the stacked Supreme Court is to get legal challenges in front of the six fascists on the court and they will overturn anything that isn't explicitly described in the Constitution. That was the sole grounds for reversing Roe v. Wade, and they are guaranteed to use it again and again. In addition, they have used and will continue to use the shadow docket to overturn legislation without even a hearing or a formal vote.

Both of these are far easier for the Republicans than actual legislation, as all that is required now is gridlock in Congress while the Supreme Court does all the dirty work.
 
2022-10-02 4:40:45 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Sixty years later, Republicans want to abolish Medicare.

They will never give up forcing you to give your labor and wealth to the already wealthy.


The people who can actually do things to help industry will never repeal Medicare.

➡They will make it harder to qualify for Medicare.

➡They will promote industries that shorten lifespans.

➡They will pass legislation to crash the entire economy around the Medicare system.

➡They will reduce qualified ailments

➡They will threaten to get rid of Medicare.

➡They will reduce physician reimbursement.

👏 they 👏 will 👏 never 👏 repeal 👏 Medicare 👏

They have to keep the illusion of some sort of finish line going 🏁
 
2022-10-02 4:41:14 PM  
Why would they? They succeeded at watering it down so much that it might as well not exist, just like with pretty much every other program in our sh*tpile of a "safety net".

/if they really want a "private" system, they should repeal EMTALA and have hospitals keep the uninsured from entering at all
//but as we all know, they're a bunch of hypocrites at best.
 
2022-10-02 4:59:46 PM  
Probably figured out some plan to use it to hurt women, some way or another.
 
2022-10-02 5:03:13 PM  
They replaced Obamacare with the ACA in 2017, remember? It's the left-wing-corporate-media-lying-liars-who-lie, that didn't mention it.
 
2022-10-02 5:04:06 PM  

Fern Crest: They NEVER had a plan to replace it.

Just a whole lot of, "We gots ta destroy everythang that guy did!"

How embarrassing to be this wealthy of a country without universal healthcare.


I'm less concerned about it being universal, and more concerned that we're overpaying 40%.
 
2022-10-02 5:04:33 PM  

incendi: Probably figured out some plan to use it to hurt women, some way or another.


I'm imagining some sort of requirement for providers accepting Obamacare plans to report all abortions to some sort of national database to make it easy for e.g. Texas to automatically issue arrest warrants for getting one.

/of course, the well connected will know who and where the "cash up front" providers are and thus will still be able to get abortions.
 
2022-10-02 5:07:58 PM  

Communist Middleschool Student: Fern Crest: They NEVER had a plan to replace it.

Just a whole lot of, "We gots ta destroy everythang that guy did!"

How embarrassing to be this wealthy of a country without universal healthcare.

I'm less concerned about it being universal, and more concerned that we're overpaying 40%.


Assuming we got M4A tomorrow, healthcare expenditures would likely still be some of the world's highest for a generation or two due to how unhealthy we are as a country. Of course, that will end up getting cited as a reason why M4A was a "bad" idea and thus should be ended (or at least heavily watered down).
 
2022-10-02 5:27:35 PM  

sinner4ever: sinner4ever: There was an article that said 100,000 Americans have medical debt.
They are very happy with it now.The cruelty is the point.

100,000,000  forgot a couple zeros


Medicare For All would've saved at least 330,000 people's lives during the pandemic.
 
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