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(Texas Hill Country)   'I'm your Huckleberry'. History lesson or gun ad. 50-50? 60-40?   (texashillcountry.com) divider line
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2022-10-02 10:51:37 AM  
I've seen a bunch of this lately from gun sites, even some manufacturers - and I welcome it. Yes, they still want to sell guns, but they're moving away from selling them with toxic masculinity (consider your man card reissued) and focusing more on history, science, and tradition. And anything that moves the shooting sports away from overly macho wannabes is a good thing.
 
2022-10-02 12:10:22 PM  
I know there are several potential explanations, but I am always partial to the Huckleberry Finn one. Maybe because that's the one I came up with.  I may have a bias.  Doc, at least as portrayed in the movie was a cultured, literate man.  While Huckleberry Finn's novel was arguably Twain's best, Huck was originally introduced as more of a sidekick to Tom Sawyer, and he accompanied him on many adventures.

"I'm your Huckleberry." Means a combination of "I'll join you."  "I'm not scared."  And "Let's do this."  It's a show of bravado to Johnny Ringo.

I don't think it will ever be definitively settled, but that's what I choose to believe.
 
2022-10-02 12:54:19 PM  

Private_Citizen: I've seen a bunch of this lately from gun sites, even some manufacturers - and I welcome it. Yes, they still want to sell guns, but they're moving away from selling them with toxic masculinity (consider your man card reissued) and focusing more on history, science, and tradition. And anything that moves the shooting sports away from overly macho wannabes is a good thing.


Makes me want to shot.  People.  Metaphorically speaking of course.  But. Seriously that article was a farking ad for a farking website.  fark the internet
 
2022-10-02 12:55:13 PM  
TL, DR: They don't know, so they're go to ngbto produce a bunch of pet theories. They'll make sure thlo throw in some gun chatter to stretch out TFA, but it's not "truth", it's theories.
 
2022-10-02 1:01:41 PM  
A quick google will reveal that huckleberry was commonly used in American slang in the second half of the 19th Century to mean 'something small and cute' or 'the person you want', ie, someone who does you a favor, or the right person for a job, or a person you should be romantically interested in.

In Tom Sawyer, which came out in 1876, Finn is called Huckleberry ironically because he's a trouble magnet.

I'm pretty sure Doc was saying "You're looking for trouble, and here I am."
 
2022-10-02 1:02:37 PM  
That article is no daisy.
 
2022-10-02 1:03:35 PM  

RandomAxe: A quick google will reveal that huckleberry was commonly used in American slang in the second half of the 19th Century to mean 'something small and cute' or 'the person you want', ie, someone who does you a favor, or the right person for a job, or a person you should be romantically interested in.

In Tom Sawyer, which came out in 1876, Finn is called Huckleberry ironically because he's a trouble magnet.

I'm pretty sure Doc was saying "You're looking for trouble, and here I am."


This comment is better than the article.
 
2022-10-02 1:07:13 PM  

Private_Citizen: I've seen a bunch of this lately from gun sites, even some manufacturers - and I welcome it. Yes, they still want to sell guns, but they're moving away from selling them with toxic masculinity (consider your man card reissued) and focusing more on history, science, and tradition. And anything that moves the shooting sports away from overly macho wannabes is a good thing.


Whatever else you might say about it, you cannot say that the movie being discussed, at least, does not take firearms, firearm safety, life & death, law & murder seriously, inside or outside of historical context.  Which is more than you can say for most gun industry advertising for the last 50 years or more.
 
2022-10-02 1:08:08 PM  

RandomAxe: I'm pretty sure Doc was saying "You're looking for trouble, and here I am."


I too thought this was pretty obvious based on the context in which he said it. The first time he even followed it by saying "That's just my game".

But if you went with the simplest, most obvious answer, you wouldn't get a 3000 work article out of that.
 
2022-10-02 1:08:20 PM  
It doesn't matter what it meant in 1876, what matters is how it's used today based on people's perception of the line in Tombstone.

Today, it's don't start shiat, won't be shiat- but if you start, I'm here to end it.
 
2022-10-02 1:11:57 PM  
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2022-10-02 1:12:41 PM  

Hoban Washburne: I know there are several potential explanations, but I am always partial to the Huckleberry Finn one. Maybe because that's the one I came up with.  I may have a bias.  Doc, at least as portrayed in the movie was a cultured, literate man.  While Huckleberry Finn's novel was arguably Twain's best, Huck was originally introduced as more of a sidekick to Tom Sawyer, and he accompanied him on many adventures.

"I'm your Huckleberry." Means a combination of "I'll join you."  "I'm not scared."  And "Let's do this."  It's a show of bravado to Johnny Ringo.

I don't think it will ever be definitively settled, but that's what I choose to believe.


I got curious, and it seems "I'm your huckleberry" appears in print as early as 1853, whereas Tom Sawyer wasn't published until 1876 was published, which suggests that Huck Finn got his name from Twain's familiarity with the expression used in the sense of sidekick. Huck Finn would also be a huckleberry in The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn in the sense of being the right man for the job. After all, he stepped up when Jim needed help escaping slavery.

According to Idioms.com

"Origin

During the early 1800s, this idiom derived from the name of a wild blue to black colored berry, similar to the blueberry, the huckleberry, which grows primarily in the southeast of the United States. Huckleberries, since they are so small, came to be used figuratively to describe anything minor or of little importance.
The idiom I'm your huckleberry, in modern times, was made famous in the movie Tombstone from 1993, starring Kurt Russel and Val Kilmer. This movie was another in a long line of movies about Wyatt Earp and events in Tombstone, Arizona during the 188Os, including the famous "Shootout at the OK Corral."
It was Doc Holliday who uttered the unfamiliar phrase to the character Johnny Ringo: "I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game." Whether or not Doc Holliday went around saying this all the time, we do not know, but it was used in the 1929 book Tombstone, by Walter Noble Burns. The expression itself appeared in print as early as 1853.

Although, I'm your huckleberry was probably used in various ways. A related idiom, a huckleberry over my persimmon was used to mean that something was beyond someone's ability. I'm your huckleberry basically means I'm the man for the job, or I'm your man, you can count on me. In Doc's case, it meant also, "I'm ready to fight." Normally, the expression seemed to be in response to a need.

It has been claimed that Mark Twain named Huckleberry Finn for the idiom. Twain may have used the name Huckleberry to mean small and insignificant. As well, while the character is most known as the main character in the book The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, we first encounter him as Tom Sawyer's sidekick in The Adventures of Tom Sawyer. If I'm your huckleberry, the idiom, was on Twain's mind when he named the character, then Huck Finn's role as a sidekick or willing companion would have fit well, as this is also a possible allusion of the idiom. See more on Victoria Wilcox, the Art of Story.

The idiom may be based on the ease of picking the huckleberry, as multiple berries can be stripped off the bush by hand, making the more literal meaning 'pick me' or 'I'm an easy pick.'"
https://www.idioms.online/im-your-huckleberry/
 
2022-10-02 1:12:58 PM  

abhorrent1: That article is no daisy.


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2022-10-02 1:17:56 PM  

Mikey1969: TL, DR: They don't know, so they're go to ngbto produce a bunch of pet theories. They'll make sure thlo throw in some gun chatter to stretch out TFA, but it's not "truth", it's theories.


It's not "history" either
 
2022-10-02 1:18:44 PM  
Kilmer DEFINITELY should have gotten an Oscar nomination from that role.  He was fantastic, and really made that film hum.  It's neck and neck for his best role, with Heat, being the other option...
 
2022-10-02 1:19:49 PM  
I'm a pie, eat me.
 
2022-10-02 1:20:50 PM  
I recently learned about this:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/val-kilmer-im-your-huckle-bearer/

Perfect example of one of humanity's greatest flaws: even faced with the actual script, and Kilmer himself confirming what he said, some people still believe the incorrect thing.
 
2022-10-02 1:22:10 PM  
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whatever.
 
2022-10-02 1:22:17 PM  

Private_Citizen: I've seen a bunch of this lately from gun sites, even some manufacturers - and I welcome it. Yes, they still want to sell guns, but they're moving away from selling them with toxic masculinity (consider your man card reissued) and focusing more on history, science, and tradition. And anything that moves the shooting sports away from overly macho wannabes is a good thing.


Good things can also be found at guns.com, where we will work with you and your family to find the good thing that goes bang that best fits your needs.
 
2022-10-02 1:22:50 PM  
In my head, I heard this part of TFA narrated in Phil Hartman's radio voice.
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"Of course, Doc Holliday might've avoided a full-on gunfight altogether if he'd had a good rifle!

Instead of taking a chance on getting shot, he could've dropped Johnny Ringo from 50 yards away!

While Holliday didn't have a rifle, the Winchester Models 1873 and 1876 are prominent in the film.

Guns.com also has great rifles for hunting and sport, from classic Old West-style weapons to modern classics!"
 
2022-10-02 1:25:58 PM  

fatassbastard: I recently learned about this:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/val-kilmer-im-your-huckle-bearer/

Perfect example of one of humanity's greatest flaws: even faced with the actual script, and Kilmer himself confirming what he said, some people still believe the incorrect thing.


Wait Tombstone had a gay lovers thing in it? So ahead of the time
 
2022-10-02 1:26:32 PM  
Well, at least their composition skills have advanced to the 9th grade level.
 
2022-10-02 1:29:28 PM  

Mikey1969: TL, DR: They don't know, so they're go to ngbto produce a bunch of pet theories. They'll make sure thlo throw in some gun chatter to stretch out TFA, but it's not "truth", it's theories.


You wanted the truth about a fictional character?
 
2022-10-02 1:31:31 PM  
That article has all of the marketing subtley of a 70s kid's cartoon based in toys.

Which explains a lot.
 
2022-10-02 1:32:38 PM  
"But what does the phrase "I'm your huckleberry" actually mean? Why would Doc Holliday say it?"

He said it because he was drunk! I say stupid shiat all the time when I'm drunk too. Maybe, like right now!
 
2022-10-02 1:34:44 PM  

chitownmike: Mikey1969: TL, DR: They don't know, so they're go to ngbto produce a bunch of pet theories. They'll make sure thlo throw in some gun chatter to stretch out TFA, but it's not "truth", it's theories.

You wanted the truth about a fictional character?


Doc Holliday was a real person.  The shootout at the OK Corral happened in Tombstone AZ on October 26, 1881.
 
2022-10-02 1:35:24 PM  
Mike Plume - "I'm Your Huckleberry" (Official Lyric Video)
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2022-10-02 1:37:44 PM  
.30-.30
 
2022-10-02 1:40:14 PM  
There once was a man from Nantuckleberry

/got nuthin
 
2022-10-02 1:44:04 PM  

waxbeans: Private_Citizen: I've seen a bunch of this lately from gun sites, even some manufacturers - and I welcome it. Yes, they still want to sell guns, but they're moving away from selling them with toxic masculinity (consider your man card reissued) and focusing more on history, science, and tradition. And anything that moves the shooting sports away from overly macho wannabes is a good thing.

Makes me want to shot.  People.  Metaphorically speaking of course.  But. Seriously that article was a farking ad for a farking website.  fark the internet


The internet is all porn and ads.

And a lot of it at the same time.
 
2022-10-02 1:46:22 PM  

chitownmike: Mikey1969: TL, DR: They don't know, so they're go to ngbto produce a bunch of pet theories. They'll make sure thlo throw in some gun chatter to stretch out TFA, but it's not "truth", it's theories.

You wanted the truth about a fictional character?


You history much?
 
2022-10-02 1:47:39 PM  
Gee, that was fun. Now how about "You're a daisy if you do."
 
2022-10-02 1:47:48 PM  
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2022-10-02 1:49:16 PM  

abhorrent1: That article is no daisy.


Careful, TFA will put your eye out.
 
2022-10-02 1:49:38 PM  
Wierd thing about right wing gun folks choosing the Earps and Doc Holliday as their heroes:

They were gun grabbing Republicans trying to disarm open carrying Democrats in the interest of public safety.
 
2022-10-02 1:49:52 PM  

fatassbastard: I recently learned about this:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/val-kilmer-im-your-huckle-bearer/

Perfect example of one of humanity's greatest flaws: even faced with the actual script, and Kilmer himself confirming what he said, some people still believe the incorrect thing.


Came to say this. The theory had been shot down multiple times over the years, thanks to little things like The Script, and Val Kilmer.
 
2022-10-02 1:54:28 PM  
50-50? No... no such thing.  Acceptable would be .50-90 or .50-110 though....
 
2022-10-02 1:57:01 PM  

fatassbastard: I recently learned about this:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/val-kilmer-im-your-huckle-bearer/

Perfect example of one of humanity's greatest flaws: even faced with the actual script, and Kilmer himself confirming what he said, some people still believe the incorrect thing.


The word "huckleberry" is a direct quote from "Tombstone: an Iliad of the Southwest" (1927), written by Walter Nobel Burns, who interviewed Wyatt Earp while writing the book.

"They say you're the gamest man in the Earp crowd, Doc," Ringo said. "I don't need but three feet to do by my fighting. Here's my handkerchief. Take hold."

Holliday took a quick step forward.

"I'm your huckleberry, Ringo," replied the cheerful Doctor. "That's just my game."


Whether or not Noble got it wrong or Earp misremembered it or the line was made up for the novel, who knows? But, the line is true to the book, which was one of the major inspirations for the movie Tombstone.
 
2022-10-02 2:01:22 PM  
I don't know what it definitively means, and, quite frankly, I don't give a shit.
 
2022-10-02 2:01:25 PM  

chitownmike: You wanted the truth about a fictional character?


Doc Holiday is not a fictional character.  He existed.  The gun fight at the OK coral really did happen.
 
2022-10-02 2:01:29 PM  

Mikey1969: TL, DR: They don't know, so they're go to ngbto produce a bunch of pet theories. They'll make sure thlo throw in some gun chatter to stretch out TFA, but it's not "truth", it's theories.


Theories? Or guesses?
 
2022-10-02 2:04:03 PM  
Well, if the author of the "article" is going to engage in wild speculation, so am I.

I think Doc's famous phrase is an allusion to the famous French taunt, "Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries."  However, as everyone knows, huckleberries were far more common in the American south than elderberries.  Accordingly, men from that region who were seeking to attract the attentions of a hamster would often use huckleberries rather then follow the tried-and-true French technique.

So, Doc was essentially telling Ringo, who was known to have a hamster for a mother, "I am your father."  He didn't mean that literally, of course.  As everyone knows, corporal punishment was regrettably common during the relevant time period.  Thus, claiming to be Ringo's father carried with it the implied threat that, should Ringo get out of line, Doc would find a stout switch, no bigger than his thumb in diameter in accordance with custom, and beat Ringo like a rented mule.

Whether or not this is the case, if you're nostalgic for the days when you and your father would leave your hamster mother at home for a day of hunting and male bonding, Guns.com carries a wide variety of huckleberry scented gun oils.

/I actually have no idea where huckleberries and elderberries grow
//I am aware that the taunt actually means your mom is a slut (because hamsters were prolific breeders) and your father is a drunk (elderberries were used to make wine), but I prefer to interpret it literally
///I doubt that Guns.com actually carries huckleberry scented gun oil, but you never know until you look
 
2022-10-02 2:04:55 PM  
He actually said ChuckBerry. He was taunting Ringo to action with Go, Johnny Go.
 
2022-10-02 2:06:35 PM  

MBooda: There once was a man from Nantuckleberry


Who asked, "can I undo your buckle, Terry?"
and everything next
has to do with gay sex
and a little about open carry.
 
2022-10-02 2:12:37 PM  

Psychopompous: In my head, I heard this part of TFA narrated in Phil Hartman's radio voice.
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"Of course, Doc Holliday might've avoided a full-on gunfight altogether if he'd had a good rifle!

Instead of taking a chance on getting shot, he could've dropped Johnny Ringo from 50 yards away!

While Holliday didn't have a rifle, the Winchester Models 1873 and 1876 are prominent in the film.

Guns.com also has great rifles for hunting and sport, from classic Old West-style weapons to modern classics!"


"They're crezappy!"
 
2022-10-02 2:18:06 PM  

apathy2673: [Fark user image 850x1028]
whatever.


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2022-10-02 2:25:57 PM  

waxbeans: RandomAxe: A quick google will reveal that huckleberry was commonly used in American slang in the second half of the 19th Century to mean 'something small and cute' or 'the person you want', ie, someone who does you a favor, or the right person for a job, or a person you should be romantically interested in.

In Tom Sawyer, which came out in 1876, Finn is called Huckleberry ironically because he's a trouble magnet.

I'm pretty sure Doc was saying "You're looking for trouble, and here I am."

This comment is better than the article.


To be fair, the purpose of the article is to drive traffic to guns.com, not to definitively explain why Holliday used the term "I'm your huckleberry" while wielding the Colt Shootergun 2000, available at guns.com, when facing off against his enemy Ringo, who also carried the Colt Shootergun 2000, available at guns.com, except in this other scene where he carried a ShottyGun Shotgun 2x, available at guns.com, even though in real life he probably carried a different . . . etc, carried at guns.com.

What I'm saying is, "guns.com" appears ten times in the article. The author couldn't have given a wet shiat about the history; it's an infomercial.
 
2022-10-02 2:27:15 PM  

Private_Citizen: I've seen a bunch of this lately from gun sites, even some manufacturers - and I welcome it. Yes, they still want to sell guns, but they're moving away from selling them with toxic masculinity (consider your man card reissued) and focusing more on history, science, and tradition. And anything that moves the shooting sports away from overly macho wannabes is a good thing.


That and keep in mind that historical replicas are probably a safe line to be in if the government outlaws all the assault weapons and tacticool BS.

Plus I think a lot of the smarter militia types are starting to realize that you can have a million men with AR15s, they are not gonna win against tanks, drones, and helicopters without Javalins and Stinfer missiles, andvthosecwill never be on the store shelf.
 
2022-10-02 2:28:15 PM  
Two drifters off to see the world
There's such a lot of world to see
We're after the same rainbow's end
Waiting 'round the bend
My Huckleberry friend
Moon river and me
 
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