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2022-10-02 8:44:46 AM  
I didn't realize the best legal advice was to play to your base and not incriminate yourself with public statements and insane court filings.
 
2022-10-02 8:53:35 AM  
I keep hearing about how terrible all his lawyers are (and they do appear to be quite incompetent), but he has yet to go to jail. That's really annoying.
 
2022-10-02 8:56:20 AM  
You know he's the competent one cause he's the only one to ask for his money up front.
 
2022-10-02 11:08:17 AM  
Sure are a lot of TFG's associates talking shiat about him behind his back. Just look at all the books coming out., Sure would have been nice if they would have said this publicly at the time and/or to his fat orange face

/PUSSIES AND COWARDS, EVERY GODDAMN ONE
 
2022-10-02 11:11:30 AM  

aaronx: I keep hearing about how terrible all his lawyers are (and they do appear to be quite incompetent), but he has yet to go to jail. That's really annoying.


It's impossible to ignore just how biased our court system is in favor of rich (if only on paper) white men. When someone this idiotic and this obviously guilty has lawyers this bad and he keeps evading arrest, there's just no other explanation that the system is crooked as hell.

/oh, and we hate going after politicians.
 
2022-10-02 11:15:06 AM  
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2022-10-02 11:15:24 AM  
I'd just take the $3 million and walk away.
 
2022-10-02 11:15:42 AM  
Disinformation:

Deep in a report on the turmoil among Donald Trump's lawyers battling over legal strategy, with the former president possibly facing Espionage Act and obstructions charges,

Actual facts:
Deep in a report on the turmoil among Donald Trump's lawyers battling over legal strategy, with the former president obstructing Espionage Act charges.
 
2022-10-02 11:16:51 AM  

austerity101: aaronx: I keep hearing about how terrible all his lawyers are (and they do appear to be quite incompetent), but he has yet to go to jail. That's really annoying.

It's impossible to ignore just how biased our court system is in favor of rich (if only on paper) white men. When someone this idiotic and this obviously guilty has lawyers this bad and he keeps evading arrest, there's just no other explanation that the system is crooked as hell.

/oh, and we hate going after politicians.


We just gonna do the eeyore shiat again?

I haven't heard this take yet. Gripping commentary!
 
2022-10-02 11:17:11 AM  

austerity101: aaronx: I keep hearing about how terrible all his lawyers are (and they do appear to be quite incompetent), but he has yet to go to jail. That's really annoying.

It's impossible to ignore just how biased our court system is in favor of rich (if only on paper) white men. When someone this idiotic and this obviously guilty has lawyers this bad and he keeps evading arrest, there's just no other explanation that the system is crooked as hell.

/oh, and we hate going after politicians.


Well, there are other explanations, but they don't allow you to claim perpetual victimhood, so you ignore them.

/no, I'm not going to spend the rest of my day trying to explain how courts work to you
 
2022-10-02 11:18:54 AM  
Already setting up an ineffective assistance of counsel appeal to vacate Trump's conviction
 
2022-10-02 11:20:45 AM  
Sounds like some lawyer got paid and other lawyers did not get paid.
 
2022-10-02 11:22:43 AM  

freetomato: I'd just take the $3 million and walk away.


You'd be in deep shiat - they tend to frown on not providing representation when you've accepted a client.  At least document some sort of technically creditable effort, then you'd get away with it fine
 
2022-10-02 11:25:15 AM  

freetomato: I'd just take the $3 million and walk away.


IANAL, but I would at least have the courtesy to file a shiatload of guilty pleas and a request for the harshest sentences possible before I walked away.
 
2022-10-02 11:26:33 AM  
The smart one got paid up front. They were then promptly sidelined by Trump (probably) because they wouldn't put their career on the line by lying to the court for the client.
 
2022-10-02 11:27:58 AM  
Oh look, more free Trump campaign media coverage.  🙄
 
2022-10-02 11:30:46 AM  
I would bet money that a lot of what's been done was at Trump's direction.

That's not the lawyer's fault.

That they then signed off on documents submitted to the court as Trump directed is their fault.
 
2022-10-02 11:30:48 AM  

aaronx: I keep hearing about how terrible all his lawyers are (and they do appear to be quite incompetent), but he has yet to go to jail. That's really annoying.


I can say, the documents case is moving along a little faster than normal. That makes me think that maybe something will happen this time. But him going to jail probably isn't going to happen.

His biggest problem is:

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2022-10-02 11:36:12 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: freetomato: I'd just take the $3 million and walk away.

You'd be in deep shiat - they tend to frown on not providing representation when you've accepted a client.  At least document some sort of technically creditable effort, then you'd get away with it fine


Farking with your clients money is the number one way to get disbarred. Even just messing up accounts can get you sanctioned, and it applies even to poor clients. Do not fark with your clients money.
 
2022-10-02 11:37:21 AM  

mojo_the_helper_monkey: The smart one got paid up front. They were then promptly sidelined by Trump (probably) because they wouldn't put their career on the line by lying to the court for the client.


Yep. It seems he is trying to get this group of lawyers to work together. Which is not what TFG wants, he wants a basic wrasslin' match between all of 'em. The shouting, screaming, back stabbling, gossip, tattle telling, way of doing business. TFG is an expert at picking people who work for him to do exactly this. It's normal, combative and very much helps to delay, prolong, extend, any kind of actual time in court-cause obviously, TFG's legal teams consistently F up, 'n have to file for extensions and whatnots.
Three million is in the bank. Go to work, watch the others try to rip each other to shreds. Call your agent to set up a book deal. Got the money, you're working for TFG, wonder if your career was worth it. Weeellll....he works in Florida, guess it doesn't matter.
 
2022-10-02 11:39:46 AM  

Deathbymeteor: austerity101: aaronx: I keep hearing about how terrible all his lawyers are (and they do appear to be quite incompetent), but he has yet to go to jail. That's really annoying.

It's impossible to ignore just how biased our court system is in favor of rich (if only on paper) white men. When someone this idiotic and this obviously guilty has lawyers this bad and he keeps evading arrest, there's just no other explanation that the system is crooked as hell.

/oh, and we hate going after politicians.

Well, there are other explanations, but they don't allow you to claim perpetual victimhood, so you ignore them.

/no, I'm not going to spend the rest of my day trying to explain how courts work to you


It's hard to explain how it is that many of the people who participated in the 1/6 insurrection have already been sentenced and are serving their time in jail but those who organized it are nowhere close to even being on trial and may never be.
The best explanation is a two tiered justice system.
 
2022-10-02 11:49:23 AM  
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2022-10-02 11:51:33 AM  
Trump hired sycophantic lawyers?  That's so out of character for him.
 
2022-10-02 11:52:08 AM  
Wow, and he isn't even selling a book.

/Yet
 
2022-10-02 11:54:23 AM  

aaronx: I keep hearing about how terrible all his lawyers are (and they do appear to be quite incompetent), but he has yet to go to jail. That's really annoying.


So far they are doing a great job. Me or you would already be sitting Rikers contemplating hanging our selves.
 
2022-10-02 12:00:22 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: freetomato: I'd just take the $3 million and walk away.

You'd be in deep shiat - they tend to frown on not providing representation when you've accepted a client.  At least document some sort of technically creditable effort, then you'd get away with it fine


Maybe it was $3M just to listen to Donnie, and does not include providing any legal action or advice?
 
2022-10-02 12:03:12 PM  
I wouldn't accept any amount of money from the traitor.  I'd have to assume that accepting it made me complicit in his crimes somehow.
 
2022-10-02 12:05:37 PM  
Trump is not representing himself, yet he still has fools for lawyers and his lawyers also have a jackass for a client.
 
2022-10-02 12:07:10 PM  

wax_on: Deathbymeteor: austerity101: aaronx: I keep hearing about how terrible all his lawyers are (and they do appear to be quite incompetent), but he has yet to go to jail. That's really annoying.

It's impossible to ignore just how biased our court system is in favor of rich (if only on paper) white men. When someone this idiotic and this obviously guilty has lawyers this bad and he keeps evading arrest, there's just no other explanation that the system is crooked as hell.

/oh, and we hate going after politicians.

Well, there are other explanations, but they don't allow you to claim perpetual victimhood, so you ignore them.

/no, I'm not going to spend the rest of my day trying to explain how courts work to you

It's hard to explain how it is that many of the people who participated in the 1/6 insurrection have already been sentenced and are serving their time in jail but those who organized it are nowhere close to even being on trial and may never be.
The best explanation is a two tiered justice system.


Your reasoning skills are suspect if you drew that conclusion from public information.

Wouldn't expect any less from a leftest authoritarian.
 
2022-10-02 12:08:51 PM  

Alphax: I wouldn't accept any amount of money from the traitor.  I'd have to assume that accepting it made me complicit in his crimes somehow.


Plenty of lawyers accept guilty clients. They are protected as long as they follow the law and provide adequate council to their clients. If your client refuses to accept your advice there are plenty of ways to stay within the law while keeping your distance from their ignoring your advice. Sometimes you may need to separate yourself. You'd need a judge to sign off on it though.
 
2022-10-02 12:08:55 PM  

Sin'sHero: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: freetomato: I'd just take the $3 million and walk away.

You'd be in deep shiat - they tend to frown on not providing representation when you've accepted a client.  At least document some sort of technically creditable effort, then you'd get away with it fine

Maybe it was $3M just to listen to Donnie, and does not include providing any legal action or advice?


The $3 million is a retainer, which goes in an account.  The lawyer bills and draws down the account as they render services.  At the end of there is money left, it goes to the client.  Interest goes somewhere else by law depending on the state
 
2022-10-02 12:17:58 PM  
I'm no lawyer-talking' guy, but it seems to me he's got lawyers willing to throw themselves on a sword so he can appeal due to bad lawyers and drag this out forever
 
2022-10-02 12:23:05 PM  

zeroman987: wax_on: Deathbymeteor: austerity101: aaronx: I keep hearing about how terrible all his lawyers are (and they do appear to be quite incompetent), but he has yet to go to jail. That's really annoying.

It's impossible to ignore just how biased our court system is in favor of rich (if only on paper) white men. When someone this idiotic and this obviously guilty has lawyers this bad and he keeps evading arrest, there's just no other explanation that the system is crooked as hell.

/oh, and we hate going after politicians.

Well, there are other explanations, but they don't allow you to claim perpetual victimhood, so you ignore them.

/no, I'm not going to spend the rest of my day trying to explain how courts work to you

It's hard to explain how it is that many of the people who participated in the 1/6 insurrection have already been sentenced and are serving their time in jail but those who organized it are nowhere close to even being on trial and may never be.
The best explanation is a two tiered justice system.

Your reasoning skills are suspect if you drew that conclusion from public information.

Wouldn't expect any less from a leftest authoritarian.


Your First sentence made me want to smart that.  Your second....
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2022-10-02 12:23:26 PM  
"and was so dissatisfied with a legal filing they submitted that he reportedly refused to sign it."

He's not willing to lie his ass off for Trump,
 
2022-10-02 12:24:09 PM  

wax_on: Deathbymeteor: austerity101: aaronx: I keep hearing about how terrible all his lawyers are (and they do appear to be quite incompetent), but he has yet to go to jail. That's really annoying.

It's impossible to ignore just how biased our court system is in favor of rich (if only on paper) white men. When someone this idiotic and this obviously guilty has lawyers this bad and he keeps evading arrest, there's just no other explanation that the system is crooked as hell.

/oh, and we hate going after politicians.

Well, there are other explanations, but they don't allow you to claim perpetual victimhood, so you ignore them.

/no, I'm not going to spend the rest of my day trying to explain how courts work to you

It's hard to explain how it is that many of the people who participated in the 1/6 insurrection have already been sentenced and are serving their time in jail but those who organized it are nowhere close to even being on trial and may never be.
The best explanation is a two tiered justice system.


Actually the best explanation is that many of the participants were filmed in the act and then made that unambiguous evidence available publicly, leaving very little investigative work to be done. Conclusive evidence against the organizers is somewhat less straightforward to collect.
 
2022-10-02 12:29:03 PM  
How I imagine the sidelined lawyer advising Trump:

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2022-10-02 12:33:22 PM  
Yeah, well still... three million bucks is three million bucks.
 
2022-10-02 12:35:28 PM  

wax_on: Deathbymeteor: austerity101: aaronx: I keep hearing about how terrible all his lawyers are (and they do appear to be quite incompetent), but he has yet to go to jail. That's really annoying.

It's impossible to ignore just how biased our court system is in favor of rich (if only on paper) white men. When someone this idiotic and this obviously guilty has lawyers this bad and he keeps evading arrest, there's just no other explanation that the system is crooked as hell.

/oh, and we hate going after politicians.

Well, there are other explanations, but they don't allow you to claim perpetual victimhood, so you ignore them.

/no, I'm not going to spend the rest of my day trying to explain how courts work to you

It's hard to explain how it is that many of the people who participated in the 1/6 insurrection have already been sentenced and are serving their time in jail but those who organized it are nowhere close to even being on trial and may never be.
The best explanation is a two tiered justice system.


That's trivial to explain and has been dozens of times on this very site. I assume you just don't want to hear it.
 
2022-10-02 12:35:28 PM  
This is the closest Trump gets to any style of leadership - throwing his minions into an arena for what amounts to an exclusive Bum Fight match with him as the audience.  Then he applies his Big Brain to sus out the winner from the resulting blood and carnage.

One of the things he's clearly addicted to is court intrigue.  It's preaching to the choir, but the median doesn't have to cover that nonsense.  Trump is probably the source for this farkin' article in the first place.  He's the only one who cares.
 
2022-10-02 12:39:00 PM  

Blathering Idjut: This is the closest Trump gets to any style of leadership - throwing his minions into an arena for what amounts to an exclusive Bum Fight match with him as the audience.  Then he applies his Big Brain to sus out the winner from the resulting blood and carnage.

One of the things he's clearly addicted to is court intrigue.  It's preaching to the choir, but the median doesn't have to cover that nonsense.  Trump is probably the source for this farkin' article in the first place.  He's the only one who cares.


nope.  The Lawyer Kise is the source.  He's using this story to try and oust the incompetent lawyers.
 
2022-10-02 12:40:57 PM  
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2022-10-02 12:41:01 PM  

wax_on: It's hard to explain how it is that many of the people who participated in the 1/6 insurrection have already been sentenced and are serving their time in jail but those who organized it are nowhere close to even being on trial and may never be.
The best explanation is a two tiered justice system.


"The people who put videos of themselves committing crimes on their personal social media and were often turned in by family members have already been convicted" isn't difficult to understand, nor is it evidence of a societal conspiracy.
 
2022-10-02 12:43:07 PM  

Deathbymeteor: austerity101: aaronx: I keep hearing about how terrible all his lawyers are (and they do appear to be quite incompetent), but he has yet to go to jail. That's really annoying.

It's impossible to ignore just how biased our court system is in favor of rich (if only on paper) white men. When someone this idiotic and this obviously guilty has lawyers this bad and he keeps evading arrest, there's just no other explanation that the system is crooked as hell.

/oh, and we hate going after politicians.

Well, there are other explanations, but they don't allow you to claim perpetual victimhood, so you ignore them.

/no, I'm not going to spend the rest of my day trying to explain how courts work to you


Oh yes, the "they're just being thorough" explanation. Which in itself shows a bifurcated justice system. One that uses the highest standard of evidence for public figures, while the rest of us are subject to a system that railroads people into guilty pleas on often flimsy evidence.
 
2022-10-02 12:45:43 PM  

wax_on: Deathbymeteor: austerity101: aaronx: I keep hearing about how terrible all his lawyers are (and they do appear to be quite incompetent), but he has yet to go to jail. That's really annoying.

It's impossible to ignore just how biased our court system is in favor of rich (if only on paper) white men. When someone this idiotic and this obviously guilty has lawyers this bad and he keeps evading arrest, there's just no other explanation that the system is crooked as hell.

/oh, and we hate going after politicians.

Well, there are other explanations, but they don't allow you to claim perpetual victimhood, so you ignore them.

/no, I'm not going to spend the rest of my day trying to explain how courts work to you

It's hard to explain how it is that many of the people who participated in the 1/6 insurrection have already been sentenced and are serving their time in jail but those who organized it are nowhere close to even being on trial and may never be.
The best explanation is a two tiered justice system.



But... but... I cleverly called you a Eeyore!
 
2022-10-02 12:46:26 PM  

giantmeteor: Deathbymeteor: austerity101: aaronx: I keep hearing about how terrible all his lawyers are (and they do appear to be quite incompetent), but he has yet to go to jail. That's really annoying.

It's impossible to ignore just how biased our court system is in favor of rich (if only on paper) white men. When someone this idiotic and this obviously guilty has lawyers this bad and he keeps evading arrest, there's just no other explanation that the system is crooked as hell.

/oh, and we hate going after politicians.

Well, there are other explanations, but they don't allow you to claim perpetual victimhood, so you ignore them.

/no, I'm not going to spend the rest of my day trying to explain how courts work to you

Oh yes, the "they're just being thorough" explanation. Which in itself shows a bifurcated justice system. One that uses the highest standard of evidence for public figures, while the rest of us are subject to a system that railroads people into guilty pleas on often flimsy evidence.


I have to say I did not expect anyone to show up and take the side of the insurrectionists.
 
2022-10-02 12:50:09 PM  

qorkfiend: giantmeteor: Deathbymeteor: austerity101: aaronx: I keep hearing about how terrible all his lawyers are (and they do appear to be quite incompetent), but he has yet to go to jail. That's really annoying.

It's impossible to ignore just how biased our court system is in favor of rich (if only on paper) white men. When someone this idiotic and this obviously guilty has lawyers this bad and he keeps evading arrest, there's just no other explanation that the system is crooked as hell.

/oh, and we hate going after politicians.

Well, there are other explanations, but they don't allow you to claim perpetual victimhood, so you ignore them.

/no, I'm not going to spend the rest of my day trying to explain how courts work to you

Oh yes, the "they're just being thorough" explanation. Which in itself shows a bifurcated justice system. One that uses the highest standard of evidence for public figures, while the rest of us are subject to a system that railroads people into guilty pleas on often flimsy evidence.

I have to say I did not expect anyone to show up and take the side of the insurrectionists.


I'm not really taking their side, I'm just agreeing that it does seem unfair that there is swift punishment for some while none for the people who organized the whole thing. I think we can all agree; fark the insurrectionists, but fark TFG harder and with a pine cone.
 
2022-10-02 12:51:48 PM  

qorkfiend: giantmeteor: Deathbymeteor: austerity101: aaronx: I keep hearing about how terrible all his lawyers are (and they do appear to be quite incompetent), but he has yet to go to jail. That's really annoying.

It's impossible to ignore just how biased our court system is in favor of rich (if only on paper) white men. When someone this idiotic and this obviously guilty has lawyers this bad and he keeps evading arrest, there's just no other explanation that the system is crooked as hell.

/oh, and we hate going after politicians.

Well, there are other explanations, but they don't allow you to claim perpetual victimhood, so you ignore them.

/no, I'm not going to spend the rest of my day trying to explain how courts work to you

Oh yes, the "they're just being thorough" explanation. Which in itself shows a bifurcated justice system. One that uses the highest standard of evidence for public figures, while the rest of us are subject to a system that railroads people into guilty pleas on often flimsy evidence.

I have to say I did not expect anyone to show up and take the side of the insurrectionists.



...


Can you call mental traveling on Fark? 
Because you just grabbed the ball and ran.
 
2022-10-02 12:51:55 PM  

giantmeteor: qorkfiend: giantmeteor: Deathbymeteor: austerity101: aaronx: I keep hearing about how terrible all his lawyers are (and they do appear to be quite incompetent), but he has yet to go to jail. That's really annoying.

It's impossible to ignore just how biased our court system is in favor of rich (if only on paper) white men. When someone this idiotic and this obviously guilty has lawyers this bad and he keeps evading arrest, there's just no other explanation that the system is crooked as hell.

/oh, and we hate going after politicians.

Well, there are other explanations, but they don't allow you to claim perpetual victimhood, so you ignore them.

/no, I'm not going to spend the rest of my day trying to explain how courts work to you

Oh yes, the "they're just being thorough" explanation. Which in itself shows a bifurcated justice system. One that uses the highest standard of evidence for public figures, while the rest of us are subject to a system that railroads people into guilty pleas on often flimsy evidence.

I have to say I did not expect anyone to show up and take the side of the insurrectionists.

I'm not really taking their side, I'm just agreeing that it does seem unfair that there is swift punishment for some while none for the people who organized the whole thing. I think we can all agree; fark the insurrectionists, but fark TFG harder and with a pine cone.


You asserted they'd been "railroaded into guilty pleas on often flimsy evidence". Sounds like you think they've been falsely convicted and imprisoned.
 
2022-10-02 12:53:26 PM  

gunther_bumpass: qorkfiend: giantmeteor: Deathbymeteor: austerity101: aaronx: I keep hearing about how terrible all his lawyers are (and they do appear to be quite incompetent), but he has yet to go to jail. That's really annoying.

It's impossible to ignore just how biased our court system is in favor of rich (if only on paper) white men. When someone this idiotic and this obviously guilty has lawyers this bad and he keeps evading arrest, there's just no other explanation that the system is crooked as hell.

/oh, and we hate going after politicians.

Well, there are other explanations, but they don't allow you to claim perpetual victimhood, so you ignore them.

/no, I'm not going to spend the rest of my day trying to explain how courts work to you

Oh yes, the "they're just being thorough" explanation. Which in itself shows a bifurcated justice system. One that uses the highest standard of evidence for public figures, while the rest of us are subject to a system that railroads people into guilty pleas on often flimsy evidence.

I have to say I did not expect anyone to show up and take the side of the insurrectionists.


...


Can you call mental traveling on Fark? 
Because you just grabbed the ball and ran.


Perhaps you can explain why you think the 1/6 insurrectionists have been "railroad[ed] into guilty pleas on often flimsy evidence"?
 
2022-10-02 1:01:06 PM  

qorkfiend: wax_on: Deathbymeteor: austerity101: aaronx: I keep hearing about how terrible all his lawyers are (and they do appear to be quite incompetent), but he has yet to go to jail. That's really annoying.

It's impossible to ignore just how biased our court system is in favor of rich (if only on paper) white men. When someone this idiotic and this obviously guilty has lawyers this bad and he keeps evading arrest, there's just no other explanation that the system is crooked as hell.

/oh, and we hate going after politicians.

Well, there are other explanations, but they don't allow you to claim perpetual victimhood, so you ignore them.

/no, I'm not going to spend the rest of my day trying to explain how courts work to you

It's hard to explain how it is that many of the people who participated in the 1/6 insurrection have already been sentenced and are serving their time in jail but those who organized it are nowhere close to even being on trial and may never be.
The best explanation is a two tiered justice system.

Actually the best explanation is that many of the participants were filmed in the act and then made that unambiguous evidence available publicly, leaving very little investigative work to be done. Conclusive evidence against the organizers is somewhat less straightforward to collect.


As well as the not insignificant issue as to how much time it would take to present sufficient evidence to a grand jury for indictments. On the actual rioters, the film (often conveniently provided by the rioters themselves) and identification that the rioter is the person the indictment is aimed (often also conveniently provided by the rioters themselves).

This is as opposed to what is needed to be proven up to get the organizers tied to the insurrection.

I spoke to a class mate who was a former AUSA a while ago (not in DC though) and her comment was that grand jury presentment time slots due to the both the covid backlog and the number of people to be charged was probably a very precious commodity right now.
 
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