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2022-10-02 12:31:10 AM  
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2022-10-02 3:02:34 AM  
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Florida is really advanced. They don't go to the beach. The beach comes to them.
 
2022-10-02 5:28:18 AM  
Let's hope that when they rebuild various parts of the damaged areas they do away with the mobile homes?

They are not suitable for holding up against hurricanes

Just my ignorant $0.02...
 
2022-10-02 5:30:37 AM  
Trailer parks should not be allowed in hurricane prone areas.
 
2022-10-02 5:32:51 AM  
Location in case you want to see that it's a trailer/RV park.

Specific aerial imagery from NOAA overflights from the past few days if you want to see other areas (link should go directly to the same trailer park)
 
Pew
2022-10-02 5:34:00 AM  
Build, repeat.
 
2022-10-02 5:37:52 AM  

wxboy: Location in case you want to see that it's a trailer/RV park.

Specific aerial imagery from NOAA overflights from the past few days if you want to see other areas (link should go directly to the same trailer park)


Also, note that there's another trailer park about a mile to the NW that fared much better.

That said, there's no part of this island that seems to rise above 10' in elevation. The surge would likely have completely inundated it. A great many of the homes on the island, standing or not, may we be total write-offs, if they were properly insured and the insurance company both remains solvent and doesn't manage to weasel out of paying.
 
2022-10-02 5:38:03 AM  
Bet you can get this lot for a good deal now.
 
2022-10-02 5:39:20 AM  

Pew: Build, repeat.


Tow in new trailer, repeat.
 
2022-10-02 5:40:19 AM  
And none of them will move because "reasons" they will just rebuild and cry again the next time this happens
 
2022-10-02 5:45:05 AM  
As long as they can afford insurance this will continue.
 
2022-10-02 5:58:34 AM  

QFarker: As long as they can afford insurance this will continue.


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2022-10-02 5:59:24 AM  
I saw a lot of climate change denialism hurdehdurr on how this hurricane season was predicted to be terrible and then there was a whole lot of nothing before this hiat. It's almost as if the climate has changed, gotten less predictable, and has greater variance. The Christmas and March hurricanes are going to be off the hook.
 
2022-10-02 6:13:30 AM  

Pew: Build, repeat.


Build, live off relief funds, meth, insurrection, repeat
 
2022-10-02 6:37:01 AM  

Endive Wombat: Let's hope that when they rebuild various parts of the damaged areas they do away with the mobile homes?

They are not suitable for holding up against hurricanes

Just my ignorant $0.02...


Do away with the hotels and resorts as well.
 
2022-10-02 6:40:35 AM  
Go after Georgia the Russians decided to move on to attack Flordia?
 
2022-10-02 6:42:28 AM  

Endive Wombat: Let's hope that when they rebuild various parts of the damaged areas they do away with the mobile homes?

They are not suitable for holding up against hurricanes

Just my ignorant $0.02...


Actually a good topic to debate - is it maybe better to only have cheap, "disposable" structures in a place like this? Something that will be replaced as easily as it was towed in? Something that gives residents no hope of survival in a storm (which would hopefully mean they obey evacuation orders, but given people in general, Florida people in particular...).

I would ban any subsidized insurance on such properties (unsubsidized private insurance can do business as they please, if anyone can afford it). Maybe make requirements for biodegradable content of anything erected/parked in the area.

Ideally, a place like this would have no permanent structures or residents.
 
2022-10-02 6:46:41 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Trailer parks should not be allowed in hurricane prone areas.


If someone wants to live in a tent on the beach, I don't get how or why that would be any of my or your business. When the wind blows it away, just don't ask anyone else to help you fix it.
 
2022-10-02 6:52:12 AM  
It's Fort Myers subby.  It's right there in the tweet.
 
2022-10-02 6:52:14 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Trailer parks should not be allowed in hurricane prone areas.

If someone wants to live in a tent on the beach, I don't get how or why that would be any of my or your business. When the wind blows it away, just don't ask anyone else to help you fix it.


after they spent $12million to borrow asylum seekers from Texas and ship them to Martha's Vineyard I don't think many people feel very prone to send them money. enjoy living in sewage.
 
2022-10-02 6:57:01 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Trailer parks should not be allowed in hurricane prone areas.

If someone wants to live in a tent on the beach, I don't get how or why that would be any of my or your business. When the wind blows it away, just don't ask anyone else to help you fix it.


Who let the Libertarian in?
 
2022-10-02 6:58:24 AM  

wxboy: Location in case you want to see that it's a trailer/RV park.

Specific aerial imagery from NOAA overflights from the past few days if you want to see other areas (link should go directly to the same trailer park)


Damn, they don't have any images of Clearwater. I was wondering if that postcard business was still there.
 
2022-10-02 7:11:38 AM  

Wobambo: I saw a lot of climate change denialism hurdehdurr on how this hurricane season was predicted to be terrible and then there was a whole lot of nothing before this hiat. It's almost as if the climate has changed, gotten less predictable, and has greater variance. The Christmas and March hurricanes are going to be off the hook.


You don't have to deny the existence of climate change to be a denier.  Denying the solution can also make you a denier.

It's funny, in a catastrophic way, how many Farkers like to think they're big believers in science, but choose to ignore the scientists when the scientists say something they don't want to hear.  From the very beginning of the pandemic threads, for example, Farkers were saying things like, "Scientists say you should stay home and respect the lockdown!  Scientists say you should mask and distance!  Scientists say you should get vaccinated!"  All of those assertions are 100% correct, of course, and had everyone listened, we would have had a good chance of preventing the pandemic from dragging on for what's almost three full years now.

When it comes to climate change, what have scientists been telling us for decades?  That the only real, permanent solution is to consume less.  Not only less of everything, but a lot less.  And what has everyone in the world done, other than the poorest of the poor?  Consumed more.  Bigger houses that require more power to heat, cool, and run all of the modern gadgets.  Bigger vehicles that require more fossil fuels (70% of all new vehicle sales in the US in 2019, for example, were SUVs and trucks).  We've traveled more, with global airline travel increasing from just under 2 billion passengers in 2004 to 4.7 billion passengers just before the pandemic (and 80% of the world's population has never traveled by air).  We produce so much food, we throw away roughly 1/3 of it while letting people starve, with all of those environmental inputs wasted - then we channel Sam Kinison and tell those stupid starving people to move to where the food is, even though much of the world would be closed to them if they had the means to pay for the travel.  We eat far more meat than scientists say we require, and respond with "F*CK YOU VEGANS!  I'M GOING TO EAT AS MUCH MEAT AS I WANT!!!"  We buy products we don't need, and replace products that still work, just so we can have the latest and greatest.  And despite all that, what's the solution, according to Farkers?

Legislation.  Technology.  Forcing those evil businesses to change their evil ways, demonizing the businesses that sold us the products we demanded.  Demonizing the politicians who would be quickly voted out of office if they enacted the kind of legislation that would actually be effective.  Even though scientists have repeatedly said that legislation and technology are only short-term stopgap measures, that the only way we're going to stave off a complete collapse is to drastically reduce consumption across the board, Farkers still want to believe in the magic of politics and technology.

And it's not just Farkers.  You see the same thing on Reddit, in essays written by "knowledgeable" pundits, in politicians.  Wherever you look on the internet where people are concerned about climate change, that's what you see.

Now it's too late, according to those same scientists.  In the last year, they've started saying that there's no amount of reductions that can avoid what's coming, that we're down to drastic consumption reductions + some form of geoengineering if we're going to avoid catastrophe.  And that conservative group of environmental scientists, who want above all else not to be labeled doomers because they were already accused of being Chicken Little decades ago, has started publishing articles about how the likelihood of causing our own extinction by environmental causes is largely unexplored.
 
2022-10-02 7:20:28 AM  

wxboy: Location in case you want to see that it's a trailer/RV park.

Specific aerial imagery from NOAA overflights from the past few days if you want to see other areas (link should go directly to the same trailer park)


Yep.  There aren't a lot of Cat 4 proof Trailer parks.  If I was an insurance company, I wouldn't be offering ANY insurance to those places in Florida.
 
2022-10-02 7:23:16 AM  

Colonel_Angus: Wobambo: I saw a lot of climate change denialism hurdehdurr on how this hurricane season was predicted to be terrible and then there was a whole lot of nothing before this hiat. It's almost as if the climate has changed, gotten less predictable, and has greater variance. The Christmas and March hurricanes are going to be off the hook.

You don't have to deny the existence of climate change to be a denier.  Denying the solution can also make you a denier.

It's funny, in a catastrophic way, how many Farkers like to think they're big believers in science, but choose to ignore the scientists when the scientists say something they don't want to hear.  From the very beginning of the pandemic threads, for example, Farkers were saying things like, "Scientists say you should stay home and respect the lockdown!  Scientists say you should mask and distance!  Scientists say you should get vaccinated!"  All of those assertions are 100% correct, of course, and had everyone listened, we would have had a good chance of preventing the pandemic from dragging on for what's almost three full years now.

When it comes to climate change, what have scientists been telling us for decades?  That the only real, permanent solution is to consume less.  Not only less of everything, but a lot less.  And what has everyone in the world done, other than the poorest of the poor?  Consumed more.  Bigger houses that require more power to heat, cool, and run all of the modern gadgets.  Bigger vehicles that require more fossil fuels (70% of all new vehicle sales in the US in 2019, for example, were SUVs and trucks).  We've traveled more, with global airline travel increasing from just under 2 billion passengers in 2004 to 4.7 billion passengers just before the pandemic (and 80% of the world's population has never traveled by air).  We produce so much food, we throw away roughly 1/3 of it while letting people starve, with all of those environmental inputs wasted - then we channel Sam Kinison and tell th ...


Been mentioning around here on Fark, but you seem a good candidate for my Do Nothing Movement. Started daydreaming about it for a lot of the reasons you kind of mention. Basically walking away from a lot of present society to live as simply as possible. Part general strike, part changing society for something better, part killing the rat race bullshiat, etc. May be a little scary at first, but it's incredibly liberating. Know not everyone's circumstances will allow them to - I'm fortunate to be in a circumstance and area where I'm surrounded by people who understand my reasoning behind this. Still haven't ditched my car, which I would like to do eventually, but it can go unused long enough to literally have grass growing on it.

Normal productivity can resume with the first generation that doesn't have plastic floating in their blood and we clear our present mass extinction period.
 
2022-10-02 7:23:58 AM  
For a better tomorrow, do nothing today.
 
2022-10-02 7:25:00 AM  
Tragic. If only there were a way to predict that an area is prone to devastating hurricanes.
 
2022-10-02 7:31:39 AM  

chucknasty: Zeb Hesselgresser: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Trailer parks should not be allowed in hurricane prone areas.

If someone wants to live in a tent on the beach, I don't get how or why that would be any of my or your business. When the wind blows it away, just don't ask anyone else to help you fix it.

after they spent $12million to borrow asylum seekers from Texas and ship them to Martha's Vineyard I don't think many people feel very prone to send them money. enjoy living in sewage.


Florida has a $20 billion plus in the bank.  DeSantis can start rebuilding immediately.
He won't, will blame Biden for delaying the recovery (later once the federal money comes in), and use that $20 billion to cut taxes for the rich.  Shortly followed by increasing sales taxes and more tolls.
 
2022-10-02 7:34:33 AM  

sleze: wxboy: Location in case you want to see that it's a trailer/RV park.

Specific aerial imagery from NOAA overflights from the past few days if you want to see other areas (link should go directly to the same trailer park)

Yep.  There aren't a lot of Cat 4 proof Trailer parks.  If I was an insurance company, I wouldn't be offering ANY insurance to those places in Florida.


Very few homes that were destroyed have flood insurance.  Hopefully most FL residents are handy with tools.
 
2022-10-02 7:44:13 AM  

Northern: chucknasty: Zeb Hesselgresser: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Trailer parks should not be allowed in hurricane prone areas.

If someone wants to live in a tent on the beach, I don't get how or why that would be any of my or your business. When the wind blows it away, just don't ask anyone else to help you fix it.

after they spent $12million to borrow asylum seekers from Texas and ship them to Martha's Vineyard I don't think many people feel very prone to send them money. enjoy living in sewage.

Florida has a $20 billion plus in the bank.  DeSantis can start rebuilding immediately.
He won't, will blame Biden for delaying the recovery (later once the federal money comes in), and use that $20 billion to cut taxes for the rich.  Shortly followed by increasing sales taxes and more tolls.


You left out quietly funneling as much of that federal relief fund as he can steal to his cronies. Who will kick some back to him as well. Because I would guarantee that it will happen. Maybe a little, maybe a lot, but it will happen.
 
2022-10-02 7:45:33 AM  
Gonna be a whole lot of people who find that their insurance doesn't cover hurricanes for various reasons. As well as their flood insurance.
 
2022-10-02 7:45:49 AM  

kittyhas1000legs: wxboy: Location in case you want to see that it's a trailer/RV park.

Specific aerial imagery from NOAA overflights from the past few days if you want to see other areas (link should go directly to the same trailer park)

Damn, they don't have any images of Clearwater. I was wondering if that postcard business was still there.


My folks' place is on the water in Ozona, a few miles north of Clearwater and had no damage at all, beyond a few tree branches
 
2022-10-02 7:49:53 AM  
With climate change, modern Man is going to have to learn to accept the concept of abandoning, rather than acquiring, territory for the first time in history.
So far, he doesn't seem to be taking it well.
 
2022-10-02 7:54:12 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Trailer parks should not be allowed in hurricane prone areas.


Yeah, they're more useful in the Midwest as tornado lures
 
2022-10-02 7:55:04 AM  
A less than full of idiots State would use this as an opportunity to create storm surge remediation area. Sedge grass and channels.

Instead, they'll rebuild in the exact locations and demand the rest of us pay for it, yet again.
 
2022-10-02 7:57:38 AM  

QFarker: As long as they can afford insurance this will continue.


This is an example of why freedom is bad.

Freedom means being allowed to do the same stupid shiat over and over again, refusing to learn from your mistakes.
 
2022-10-02 7:57:56 AM  
Hurricane is gonna hurricane. Pay more to build stronger then insure for less. (Mother) Nature will find a way to destroy it.
 
2022-10-02 8:00:34 AM  
Southwest Florida has had huge numbers of mobile home parks for generations. It was a way for blue collar workers from the Midwest to retire in their version of paradise. They generally own the trailer and lease the lot on a monthly basis. They won't rebuild in a classic sense, they will clean up, tow in new double wides, restart.
 
2022-10-02 8:06:53 AM  

wxboy: wxboy: Location in case you want to see that it's a trailer/RV park.

Specific aerial imagery from NOAA overflights from the past few days if you want to see other areas (link should go directly to the same trailer park)

Also, note that there's another trailer park about a mile to the NW that fared much better.

That said, there's no part of this island that seems to rise above 10' in elevation. The surge would likely have completely inundated it. A great many of the homes on the island, standing or not, may we be total write-offs, if they were properly insured and the insurance company both remains solvent and doesn't manage to weasel out of paying.


Cool.  That way my insurance goes up for subsidizing the rebuild of a multi million house that will almost certainly get whacked again soon.
 
2022-10-02 8:12:13 AM  
When it comes to climate change, what have scientists been telling us for decades?  ...  Now it's too late.

The painful truth, and the reason we don't take CC seriously, is because it's impossible to stop.

To "save the planet", we'd need to stop heating our houses, stop driving cars, and stop eating beef.  Essentially we'd need to live in tents in warm climates and eat grains and vegetables and walk everywhere.

That's not going to happen.  People are the problem, and until we go away, we'll continue to cook the planet.

Once we make the planet inhospitable for human beings, and go extinct, the planet will heal.

We're an infection, IOW.
 
2022-10-02 8:12:40 AM  

Northern: chucknasty: Zeb Hesselgresser: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Trailer parks should not be allowed in hurricane prone areas.

If someone wants to live in a tent on the beach, I don't get how or why that would be any of my or your business. When the wind blows it away, just don't ask anyone else to help you fix it.

after they spent $12million to borrow asylum seekers from Texas and ship them to Martha's Vineyard I don't think many people feel very prone to send them money. enjoy living in sewage.

Florida has a $20 billion plus in the bank.  DeSantis can start rebuilding immediately.
He won't, will blame Biden for delaying the recovery (later once the federal money comes in), and use that $20 billion to cut taxes for the rich.  Shortly followed by increasing sales taxes and more tolls.


Florida just handed out $bilions in tax cuts.  Most went to corporations in the form of income tax and commercial rental breaks.
 
2022-10-02 8:13:04 AM  

Hubris Boy: QFarker: As long as they can afford insurance this will continue.

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When I moved from Florida a dozen years ago, homeowner's insurance was already $8000 per year.
 
2022-10-02 8:14:11 AM  
The before/after is similar to what Homestead looked like after Andrew.

This is an every year occurrence in Florida. It's the luck of the roll which part of the state gets it this time. Has the problem gotten worse over time? The storms seem to be stronger on a more consistent basis,
 
2022-10-02 8:21:33 AM  
I would bet that a developer comes in, buys the ruined areas cheap, builds luxury homes and hotels, then leaves town. When the next hurricane hits the residents will be wealthy enough to demand the state rebuilds for them and puts in a surge wall.
 
2022-10-02 8:26:54 AM  

eKonk: Actually a good topic to debate - is it maybe better to only have cheap, "disposable" structures in a place like this? Something that will be replaced as easily as it was towed in? Something that gives residents no hope of survival in a storm (which would hopefully mean they obey evacuation orders, but given people in general, Florida people in particular...).


No, no they won't. My idiot In Laws rode out the last one in a mobile home, with a goddamned RV parked right next to it in which they could have evacuated to anywhere and not had to worry about temporary housing. I wouldn't have cared if the two of them had wanted to kill themselves, but they had custody of my young nephew at the time. They lived, so they were "right". Ugh.
 
2022-10-02 8:29:12 AM  
Consuming less is all well and good, but it does not solve the issue. The choices we are and have been given is the problem.
 
2022-10-02 8:29:20 AM  

chucknasty: Zeb Hesselgresser: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Trailer parks should not be allowed in hurricane prone areas.

If someone wants to live in a tent on the beach, I don't get how or why that would be any of my or your business. When the wind blows it away, just don't ask anyone else to help you fix it.

after they spent $12million to borrow asylum seekers from Texas and ship them to Martha's Vineyard I don't think many people feel very prone to send them money. enjoy living in sewage.


From the Twitter comments. Anyone know if this is true?


Florida Republican Senators Marco Rubio and Rick Scott urged Senate leaders for money to rebuild state after Hurricane Ian.

Then when the vote came, ⁦@SenRickScott⁩ voted against the funds and ⁦@marcorubio⁩ didn't show up for the vote. https://t.co/VjLTmi7TAy
- Travis Akers (@travisakers) October 1, 2022
 
2022-10-02 8:40:37 AM  

Hubris Boy: QFarker: As long as they can afford insurance this will continue.

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Bu..Bu..Bu..I heard that Gub'ment forced or incentivized insurance is sochulizms!?!?
 
2022-10-02 8:49:29 AM  
For everyone saying howcome they live there they deserve what they get guess they'll have to buy a new house hurrdedurr...

Allow me to educate you on some realities of Florida.

That there is a trailer park. People in Florida live in trailer parks because they are: Poor, elderly, low-income workers, all of the above. Trailer parks get sited in A and B evac zones (where the storm surge will be the worst) because nobody wants to live there (because it's an A evac zone) so the lot rentals are cheap--people with very little money need cheap.

They did not "vote for this," in fact, I'd be surprised if many of them voted at all. Evac zones are both state and federally mandated based on predicted storm surge, so its not like voting R or D has any impact at all on their land status. DeSantis is not well-liked even by the Republican voters in most areas because he keeps spending money on his vanity projects, and the trailer park people know it.

In a few weeks or months, a good percentage of these folks will end up in your cities living in their cars looking for work or on your streets having not found any work. Whether they get funding or not will not make them more likely to vote D at the next election or like liberals or people of color any more than they do now. But you're aiming your vindictive glee at the people least responsible for being where they are now. Try punching up.
 
2022-10-02 8:59:58 AM  

RepoManTSM: Endive Wombat: Let's hope that when they rebuild various parts of the damaged areas they do away with the mobile homes?

They are not suitable for holding up against hurricanes

Just my ignorant $0.02...

Do away with the hotels and resorts as well.


most development near water will be subject to the whims of mother nature.  If they build it, she will come, and eventually reclaim what is hers.  And this cycle will continue long after she has shook us of like fleas on a dog.
 
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