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(NFL)   The unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant involved in the concussion check on Tua Tagovailoa and clearing him to play is now extra unaffiliated   (nfl.com) divider line
    More: Followup, National Football League, Cincinnati, American football, Concussion, unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant, second quarter, Ohio, Head and neck anatomy  
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810 clicks; posted to Sports » on 02 Oct 2022 at 2:45 AM (8 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-10-01 9:04:19 PM  
FTA: "The NFLPA cited several factors in terminating the unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant (UNC), including failure to understand his role as UNC"

Read: "he wasn't being a good fall guy "
 
2022-10-01 10:56:10 PM  
The scapegoating has begun.
Meanwhile the Miami Coach himself is the one who said Tua didn't even heave a head injury, he had a back injury.
When is he being fired/quitting?
 
2022-10-01 11:51:09 PM  

nmrsnr: FTA: "The NFLPA cited several factors in terminating the unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant (UNC), including failure to understand his role as UNC"

Read: "he wasn't being a good fall guy "


I can't stand UNC
 
2022-10-02 1:48:41 AM  

Walker: The scapegoating has begun.
Meanwhile the Miami Coach himself is the one who said Tua didn't even heave a head injury, he had a back injury.
When is he being fired/quitting?


When the team starts losing and the owners start losing money
 
2022-10-02 3:20:06 AM  
When you can't fire a player and don't want to fire the coach, you go down the flow chart.    This guy will be hired by another NFL team next off-season.   The Raiders, I hope.
 
2022-10-02 6:35:07 AM  
Duke sucks.  So does that UNC.  No mention of his name, I guess that could get lawsuity from the doc if they did though.
 
2022-10-02 8:00:54 AM  

Stud Gerbil: When you can't fire a player and don't want to fire the coach, you go down the flow chart.    This guy will be hired by another NFL team next off-season.   The Raiders, I hope.


How the hell is this the players fault?

He had a brain injury and those make you do funny things, as well as the pressure of play or be fired that the NFL has institutionalised.
 
2022-10-02 8:30:23 AM  
I'm not a neurologist, but I have experienced back spasms. The people saying the Bills game was obviously a concussion? I disagree. Walking along and being suddenly staggered is exactly what my back spasms were like.

It's obvious from the Bengals game he recently had another concussion, but everyone is assuming it was that one Bills game hit. It might have been some other less obvious hiat.

I have also had neck problems that radiated up (headaches) and down (pain and muscle tightness/soreness in my shoulder blades area).

Thus I hope that Tua is being carefully evaluated for neck/back issues related to his spine and not just neurological issues.
 
2022-10-02 8:40:26 AM  

Permanent Solutions For Permanent Problems: I'm not a neurologist, but I have experienced back spasms. The people saying the Bills game was obviously a concussion? I disagree. Walking along and being suddenly staggered is exactly what my back spasms were like.

It's obvious from the Bengals game he recently had another concussion, but everyone is assuming it was that one Bills game hit. It might have been some other less obvious hiat.

I have also had neck problems that radiated up (headaches) and down (pain and muscle tightness/soreness in my shoulder blades area).

Thus I hope that Tua is being carefully evaluated for neck/back issues related to his spine and not just neurological issues.


Would you have been able to go back in the game and run and throw things with said back spasms? Just based on the footage I saw, and the fact that he could still play QB after a "back injury" that wouldn't let him stay upright, I still think concussion is by a good bit the most likely explanation.
 
2022-10-02 8:42:43 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: nmrsnr: FTA: "The NFLPA cited several factors in terminating the unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant (UNC), including failure to understand his role as UNC"

Read: "he wasn't being a good fall guy "

I can't stand UNC


Love you too buddy
 
2022-10-02 8:52:49 AM  

Permanent Solutions For Permanent Problems: I'm not a neurologist, but I have experienced back spasms. The people saying the Bills game was obviously a concussion? I disagree. Walking along and being suddenly staggered is exactly what my back spasms were like.

It's obvious from the Bengals game he recently had another concussion, but everyone is assuming it was that one Bills game hit. It might have been some other less obvious hiat.

I have also had neck problems that radiated up (headaches) and down (pain and muscle tightness/soreness in my shoulder blades area).

Thus I hope that Tua is being carefully evaluated for neck/back issues related to his spine and not just neurological issues.


So when you had your back spasms, were they directly after you stumbled backwards from being pushed and hit your head?  And then did you get up, shake your head, never once motion towards your back, and then stumble to the ground?  Then did your team tweet something like this

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Which is indicating that there was in fact a head injury.  And then did your NFL team not treat your very injured back at all, but let you come back out to finish the game?

Or maybe your meaningless back injury has fark all to do with Tua very clearly hitting his head, being compromised from that, and then supposedly being cleared to play?
 
2022-10-02 9:34:41 AM  

Walker: The scapegoating has begun.
Meanwhile the Miami Coach himself is the one who said Tua didn't even heave a head injury, he had a back injury.
When is he being fired/quitting?


When they lose a few more games, just like after Shanahan destroyed RG3.
 
2022-10-02 10:55:14 AM  

dark brew: Permanent Solutions For Permanent Problems: I'm not a neurologist, but I have experienced back spasms. The people saying the Bills game was obviously a concussion? I disagree. Walking along and being suddenly staggered is exactly what my back spasms were like.

It's obvious from the Bengals game he recently had another concussion, but everyone is assuming it was that one Bills game hit. It might have been some other less obvious hiat.

I have also had neck problems that radiated up (headaches) and down (pain and muscle tightness/soreness in my shoulder blades area).

Thus I hope that Tua is being carefully evaluated for neck/back issues related to his spine and not just neurological issues.

So when you had your back spasms, were they directly after you stumbled backwards from being pushed and hit your head?  And then did you get up, shake your head, never once motion towards your back, and then stumble to the ground?  Then did your team tweet something like this

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Which is indicating that there was in fact a head injury.  And then did your NFL team not treat your very injured back at all, but let you come back out to finish the game?

Or maybe your meaningless back injury has fark all to do with Tua very clearly hitting his head, being compromised from that, and then supposedly being cleared to play?


I'm pretty sure the Miami dolphins Twitter account is not a certified neurologist.
 
2022-10-02 11:19:52 AM  

Walker: The scapegoating has begun.
Meanwhile the Miami Coach himself is the one who said Tua didn't even heave a head injury, he had a back injury.
When is he being fired/quitting?


Why?

If Tua says it's his back, not his head (from an injury sustained during a QB sneak play), and the independent neurologist says he passed all tests, and it's not a concussion. And Tua says "his back" doesn't hurt enough to prevent him from playing. What reason is there to sit him? If the player wants to lie to the doctor (if that's what happened) because he's competitive and wants to be on the field, and/or the doctor was unable to find anything wrong with him concussion-wise, who is McDaniel to assume the doctors findings were inaccurate?
 
2022-10-02 11:25:17 AM  

dark brew: Which is indicating that there was in fact a head injury.  And then did your NFL team not treat your very injured back at all, but let you come back out to finish the game?

Or maybe your meaningless back injury has fark all to do with Tua very clearly hitting his head, being compromised from that, and then supposedly being cleared to play?


His motor skills seemed fine on the two deep rockets to Hill and Waddle the second half to beat those damn Bills.

There is no information prior to Thursday that shows any signs of negligence, as he had no symptoms and passed all concussion tests laid out by protocol.  It's telling that the NFL and NFLPA are changing the protocols now, even before the investigation is complete.  That's not on the Dolphins coaching staff or organization.
 
2022-10-02 11:32:07 AM  
I read about this guy the other day and still don't know who he was affiliated or unaffiliated with.  Not the NFL, not the NFLPA, not the Dolphins or the University of Cincinnati.   Who was paying him?
 
2022-10-02 11:33:23 AM  

macadamnut: I read about this guy the other day and still don't know who he was affiliated or unaffiliated with.  Not the NFL, not the NFLPA, not the Dolphins or the University of Cincinnati.   Who was paying him?


It's my understanding that he's a contracted worker hired by the NFLPA.
 
2022-10-02 11:45:25 AM  
Can I just remind everyone that none of this PR nightmare would be happening if Brian Flores hadn't messed up the Brady un-retirement.
He'd still have a job somewhere and there'd be no more racism with the black guy gone, Tom and Giselle would be together, Trump would still be President and stop the hurricane, etc. etc.
 
2022-10-02 12:17:18 PM  
The irony is every single team in the NFL would have made the exact same decision. If your franchise QB is cleared to play and they themselves said they are good to go, tell me one coach in the NFL who would ignore medical advice from multiple physicians and the player themselves to withhold them out of a game.
 
2022-10-02 12:34:30 PM  

macadamnut: I read about this guy the other day and still don't know who he was affiliated or unaffiliated with.  Not the NFL, not the NFLPA, not the Dolphins or the University of Cincinnati.   Who was paying him?


The "unaffiliated" title reflects the fact that the doctor is unaffiliated with the team - the thinking is that since the team generally is going to want a player back out on the field, that a doctor being paid by the team could be under undue pressure to clear them to play...plus, the player himself will also generally want to get back out there, and even be willing to lie about symptoms, because of the play or be cut atmosphere, and because these are competitive people who want to play.

They are paid jointly by the NFL and NFLPA, and each of those organizations can fire the doctor without consent of the other. The thought was that an unaffiliated doctor would be more likely to make a judgment call toward the health of the player than toward the winning of a game.

In this case, the NFLPA exercised its option to fire him after he made (per the article; without any other public information we can't know) "several mistakes" in implementing the protocols with respect to Tua. Maybe that meant things weren't done properly. Maybe said doctor is just a fall guy. We don't know. Hopefully we will.

The thing that makes me skeptical is the mixed signals from the Miami coaching staff. It had nothing to do with his head, it was a back injury that had him woozy and wobbling on his feet...but we put him through the protocols for this non-head-injury anyway, etc.
 
2022-10-02 12:45:24 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: The irony is every single team in the NFL would have made the exact same decision. If your franchise QB is cleared to play and they themselves said they are good to go, tell me one coach in the NFL who would ignore medical advice from multiple physicians and the player themselves to withhold them out of a game.


Even if there was no concussion concern, there's an argument to made that if you've got a key player who is banged up early in the season and you're going into a short week road game again a non-division opponent it's better to rest him so he's 100% next week and overall better for the rest of the season.

No NFL is going to buy that argument.
 
2022-10-02 12:59:24 PM  

CheatCommando: Walker: The scapegoating has begun.
Meanwhile the Miami Coach himself is the one who said Tua didn't even heave a head injury, he had a back injury.
When is he being fired/quitting?

When they lose a few more games, just like after Shanahan destroyed RG3.


Speaking of that, did anyone catch RG3 taking a shot yesterday at Shanahan and Jay Gruden when talking about his injuries in both HS and college, saying he's glad he had coaches that cared about (empathized) his health over winning?
 
2022-10-02 1:26:07 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: CheatCommando: Walker: The scapegoating has begun.
Meanwhile the Miami Coach himself is the one who said Tua didn't even heave a head injury, he had a back injury.
When is he being fired/quitting?

When they lose a few more games, just like after Shanahan destroyed RG3.

Speaking of that, did anyone catch RG3 taking a shot yesterday at Shanahan and Jay Gruden when talking about his injuries in both HS and college, saying he's glad he had coaches that cared about (empathized) his health over winning?


I didn't get a chance to watch any games yesterday, as Mr. Seven Years old needed full time assistance with an epic Minecraft build.

But he's not wrong.
 
2022-10-02 5:18:31 PM  

G. Tarrant: The thing that makes me skeptical is the mixed signals from the Miami coaching staff. It had nothing to do with his head, it was a back injury that had him woozy and wobbling on his feet...but we put him through the protocols for this non-head-injury anyway, etc.


1. Player is injured, possibly head trauma.

2. Player tests negative for a concussion.

"Mixed signals" invariably result, regardless of any carelessness or recklessness.
 
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