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2022-10-01 8:32:19 PM  
uhh.. take his guns first.
 
2022-10-01 8:57:32 PM  
They lost almost 30 years ago, they'll lose again.
 
2022-10-01 8:58:25 PM  
So his intent is for firearms to remain in the hands of criminals.
 
2022-10-01 8:59:01 PM  
In Canadian provincial politics, one does not simply walk into federal mandates.
 
2022-10-01 8:59:04 PM  
I'm sure this will be a rational discussion, by some, of Canada's 2A rights being infringed.
 
2022-10-01 8:59:35 PM  
If the Red river starts flowing, take the Northwest Mounted Police west.
 
2022-10-01 9:00:26 PM  
This wasn't even an issue until known Very Stable Man™ Tyler Shandro decided that it was
 
2022-10-01 9:00:31 PM  
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2022-10-01 9:03:31 PM  

RasIanI: I'm sure this will be a rational discussion, by some, of Canada's 2A rights being infringed.


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2022-10-01 9:06:09 PM  
They're offering a ridiculously high amount if you have something like a Ruger or Smith & Wesson AR that were selling for about $5-600 bucks in the US a few years ago. Higher end stuff, notsomuch.
 
2022-10-01 9:11:34 PM  

Senseless_drivel: RasIanI: I'm sure this will be a rational discussion, by some, of Canada's 2A rights being infringed.

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Exactly. Lol
 
2022-10-01 9:16:59 PM  
Keep it up Canada and we will be able to add north north Dakota through fiat annexation and you will have no (Canadian) wolverines to resist.
 
2022-10-01 9:17:47 PM  
Of course it would be Alberta to import the American lunacy that is State/Provincial governments refusing to allow the enforcement of federal law. Berta, Berta, Berta... Note that south of the border, this shiat is not just about guns.
 
2022-10-01 9:20:22 PM  

the_sidewinder: This wasn't even an issue until known Very Stable Man™ Tyler Shandro decided that it was


I fully expect Shandro to show up in front of Marco Mendicino's house and yell at him for being mean
 
2022-10-01 9:26:10 PM  
Dear Tyler Shandro,

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2022-10-01 9:31:43 PM  

Me so thorny: Of course it would be Alberta to import the American lunacy that is State/Provincial governments refusing to allow the enforcement of federal law. Berta, Berta, Berta... Note that south of the border, this shiat is not just about guns.


It really is infectious. There are Canadian MAGAs. They go around crowing about their First and Second Amendment rights and other people are like "... you realize this isn't the United States, right?"
 
2022-10-01 9:33:09 PM  
I forgot this was happening. That buyback stuff is a BS policy. But it's better than what happened under idiot Trump in the US. With bump stocks. Oh this is now illegal, go fark yourself you have two months to trash iat and eat what it cost. If you don't well it's 10 years in Fed prison.
 
2022-10-01 9:46:23 PM  

RasIanI: I'm sure this will be a rational discussion, by some, of Canada's 2A rights being infringed.


Subby is definitely helping the discourse by referring to the buyback as a "confiscation"
 
2022-10-01 9:47:51 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: I forgot this was happening. That buyback stuff is a BS policy. But it's better than what happened under idiot Trump in the US. With bump stocks. Oh this is now illegal, go fark yourself you have two months to trash iat and eat what it cost. If you don't well it's 10 years in Fed prison.


I mean, bump stocks are designed to skirt the auto fire prohibition through a loophole. It was going to happen eventually. What were you guys expecting?
 
2022-10-01 10:05:25 PM  

GoodDoctorB: RasIanI: I'm sure this will be a rational discussion, by some, of Canada's 2A rights being infringed.

Subby is definitely helping the discourse by referring to the buyback as a "confiscation"


The guns they're offering to buy back will be banned from ownership. Suggesting that it's a harmless mere 'buyback' program is disingenuous.
 
2022-10-01 10:11:04 PM  

starsrift: GoodDoctorB: RasIanI: I'm sure this will be a rational discussion, by some, of Canada's 2A rights being infringed.

Subby is definitely helping the discourse by referring to the buyback as a "confiscation"

The guns they're offering to buy back will be banned from ownership. Suggesting that it's a harmless mere 'buyback' program is disingenuous.


Believe whatever you want about the process itself, but there is nothing disengenuous about it. That is literally what a buyback is, the government buys back the guns that it will then be prohibiting. Disingenuous is referring to a buyback as a "confiscation", they are very different things.
 
2022-10-01 10:14:56 PM  

GoodDoctorB: Subby is definitely helping the discourse by referring to the buyback as a "confiscation"


It's confiscation with a cash bonus and a very lenient time allowance to comply.  Do you want a practical example of fair and amicable gun control in contemporary society?  It won't get cleaner than this.
 
2022-10-01 10:17:34 PM  

austerity101: Me so thorny: Of course it would be Alberta to import the American lunacy that is State/Provincial governments refusing to allow the enforcement of federal law. Berta, Berta, Berta... Note that south of the border, this shiat is not just about guns.

It really is infectious. There are Canadian MAGAs. They go around crowing about their First and Second Amendment rights and other people are like "... you realize this isn't the United States, right?"

They support Trump.

They're so divorced from reality they ingest American right-wing propaganda and don't realize they're in a completely different country.  They'd love to turn us into Texas, though.
 
2022-10-01 10:21:23 PM  
can we do a buy back, where for all of your guns, we give you a coal rollin' ram dually diesel?

/asking for a civilized world
 
2022-10-01 10:26:03 PM  
How can a Provincial government order a Federal police force to do anything?
 
2022-10-01 10:30:54 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: I forgot this was happening. That buyback stuff is a BS policy. But it's better than what happened under idiot Trump in the US. With bump stocks. Oh this is now illegal, go fark yourself you have two months to trash iat and eat what it cost. If you don't well it's 10 years in Fed prison.


Bump stocks serve no real shooting purpose.  They're not for hunting, they're not for target shooting.  They're not for any manner of sport shooting.  They never should have been legal in the first place.  They exist specifically to skirt full auto laws.  fark that and fark you.

Sincerely,
- Someone with a CCW in 34 states who builds ARs and Glocks as a hobby, often machines 80% (and less) lowers for my builds, and shoots Sporting Clays and 3 Gun competitively.
 
2022-10-01 10:32:39 PM  

whatshisname: How can a Provincial government order a Federal police force to do anything?


I'm going to show my almost complete ignorance of the law plus some half-remembered stuff from the news decades ago.

The provinces can nullify a law falling under most classes of federal law they like.  Section 33 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms basically means the province can make a law that contradicts federal law, with a maximum 5 year sunset clause... but it can be renewed at that point.

If the law doesn't exist in the province, a fed can't enforce it.
 
2022-10-01 10:32:50 PM  

whatshisname: How can a Provincial government order a Federal police force to do anything?


They can't, Shandro is just that big of a piece of shiat.  This is the same idiot who was the health minister that not only picked fights with doctors before COVID and nurses during COVID, he  also farked off out of contact on vacation the same time the Premier did right as we entered wave...3?
 
2022-10-01 10:35:41 PM  

Unsung_Hero: whatshisname: How can a Provincial government order a Federal police force to do anything?

I'm going to show my almost complete ignorance of the law plus some half-remembered stuff from the news decades ago.

The provinces can nullify a law falling under most classes of federal law they like.  Section 33 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms basically means the province can make a law that contradicts federal law, with a maximum 5 year sunset clause... but it can be renewed at that point.

If the law doesn't exist in the province, a fed can't enforce it.


Yeah, that's the Notwithstanding Clause, and it wouldn't work this way, since the law the province passes has to be something that is provincial jurisdiction (which guns aren't), and doesn't nullify federal law, it just permits the unconstitutional provincial law to exist.

None of which matters here, since that's not what Shandro is pulling here
 
2022-10-01 10:40:20 PM  
Make Alberta Great Again
 
2022-10-01 10:42:08 PM  

Me so thorny: Of course it would be Alberta to import the American lunacy that is State/Provincial governments refusing to allow the enforcement of federal law. Berta, Berta, Berta... Note that south of the border, this shiat is not just about guns.


There are actual staff within most Alberta ministries whose job it is to separate funding so that the money going to the RWNJ areas doesn't contain a trace of federally-sourced funding. This is at the request of the politicians in those areas; they would rather die of thirst than accept any water that Justin Trudeau might have been within 100 km of accidentally.

The worst of these are in the Wood Buffalo area which is where all the oil sands projects are located. It's also where you will find the most anti-vaxers and flat-earthers.
 
2022-10-01 10:42:31 PM  
Did we really need our own Florida?
 
2022-10-01 11:07:36 PM  
Tyler Shandro is a gigantic piece of shiat. I just wanted to say that.
 
2022-10-01 11:12:16 PM  

replacementcool: So his intent is for firearms to remain in the hands of criminals.


Yeah, but those are responsible, gun owning criminals.
 
2022-10-01 11:17:23 PM  

olorin604: Keep it up Canada and we will be able to add north north Dakota through fiat annexation and you will have no (Canadian) wolverines to resist.


The last thing we need is more North Dakota.
 
2022-10-01 11:34:39 PM  

GoodDoctorB: RasIanI: I'm sure this will be a rational discussion, by some, of Canada's 2A rights being infringed.

Subby is definitely helping the discourse by referring to the buyback as a "confiscation"


Did these people buy those guns from their government?
 
2022-10-01 11:38:51 PM  

starsrift: GoodDoctorB: RasIanI: I'm sure this will be a rational discussion, by some, of Canada's 2A rights being infringed.

Subby is definitely helping the discourse by referring to the buyback as a "confiscation"

The guns they're offering to buy back will be banned from ownership. Suggesting that it's a harmless mere 'buyback' program is disingenuous.


what do you think a buyback is?
 
2022-10-01 11:48:29 PM  

Johnny the Tackling Alzheimers Patient: Me so thorny: Of course it would be Alberta to import the American lunacy that is State/Provincial governments refusing to allow the enforcement of federal law. Berta, Berta, Berta... Note that south of the border, this shiat is not just about guns.

There are actual staff within most Alberta ministries whose job it is to separate funding so that the money going to the RWNJ areas doesn't contain a trace of federally-sourced funding. This is at the request of the politicians in those areas; they would rather die of thirst than accept any water that Justin Trudeau might have been within 100 km of accidentally.

The worst of these are in the Wood Buffalo area which is where all the oil sands projects are located. It's also where you will find the most anti-vaxers and flat-earthers.


Resident of ft McMurray here. I'm trolled vaxed and am quite adamant that the planet is round. Please try again.
 
2022-10-01 11:55:31 PM  

Unsung_Hero: whatshisname: How can a Provincial government order a Federal police force to do anything?

I'm going to show my almost complete ignorance of the law plus some half-remembered stuff from the news decades ago.

The provinces can nullify a law falling under most classes of federal law they like.  Section 33 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms basically means the province can make a law that contradicts federal law, with a maximum 5 year sunset clause... but it can be renewed at that point.

If the law doesn't exist in the province, a fed can't enforce it.


I don't believe a province can use section 33 to override criminal statutes, only human rights as defined in the Charter of Rights and freedoms.
 
2022-10-01 11:56:30 PM  

Johnny the Tackling Alzheimers Patient: Me so thorny: Of course it would be Alberta to import the American lunacy that is State/Provincial governments refusing to allow the enforcement of federal law. Berta, Berta, Berta... Note that south of the border, this shiat is not just about guns.

There are actual staff within most Alberta ministries whose job it is to separate funding so that the money going to the RWNJ areas doesn't contain a trace of federally-sourced funding. This is at the request of the politicians in those areas; they would rather die of thirst than accept any water that Justin Trudeau might have been within 100 km of accidentally.

The worst of these are in the Wood Buffalo area which is where all the oil sands projects are located. It's also where you will find the most anti-vaxers and flat-earthers.


Well that's the opposite of American lunacy. Here you are supposed to hate the federal government, claim it is useless, bloated, over funded, needs to be destroyed and only capable of wrecking any situation it involves itself in.

Then hold out you hand because it none of that applies to you getting handouts.
 
2022-10-01 11:57:45 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: I forgot this was happening. That buyback stuff is a BS policy. But it's better than what happened under idiot Trump in the US. With bump stocks. Oh this is now illegal, go fark yourself you have two months to trash iat and eat what it cost. If you don't well it's 10 years in Fed prison.


The only use for a bump stock is to make a semi-auto firearm empty the magazine in 5 seconds. It has no other legitimate purpose.
 
2022-10-02 1:38:54 AM  
This is stupid, but can we also take a moment to ponder the stupidity of the law itself?  It basically lists a bunch of specific guns and a few criteria (for example a single shot 10ga shotgun is banned under this law for some reason), while ignoring a bunch of other similar guns.  The upcoming handgun ban makes more dense but those one is based on how scary a gun looks more than anything.

If JT really wanted to impact gun violence he'd ban the sale of semi auto rifles and put a hard limit on magazine size regardless of action (which would break my heart because my grandpa's 1941 Winchester leverage action is a thing of beauty and would need to be modified).  He just doesn't have the political stones or capital to make a change like that.
 
2022-10-02 2:16:40 AM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: Johnny the Tackling Alzheimers Patient: Me so thorny: Of course it would be Alberta to import the American lunacy that is State/Provincial governments refusing to allow the enforcement of federal law. Berta, Berta, Berta... Note that south of the border, this shiat is not just about guns.

There are actual staff within most Alberta ministries whose job it is to separate funding so that the money going to the RWNJ areas doesn't contain a trace of federally-sourced funding. This is at the request of the politicians in those areas; they would rather die of thirst than accept any water that Justin Trudeau might have been within 100 km of accidentally.

The worst of these are in the Wood Buffalo area which is where all the oil sands projects are located. It's also where you will find the most anti-vaxers and flat-earthers.

Resident of ft McMurray here. I'm trolled vaxed and am quite adamant that the planet is round. Please try again.


You might be vaxxed and think the world is round but your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired
 
2022-10-02 8:01:43 AM  
I guess those big-boned gals like their guns.
 
2022-10-02 8:42:27 AM  

GoodDoctorB: starsrift: GoodDoctorB: RasIanI: I'm sure this will be a rational discussion, by some, of Canada's 2A rights being infringed.

Subby is definitely helping the discourse by referring to the buyback as a "confiscation"

The guns they're offering to buy back will be banned from ownership. Suggesting that it's a harmless mere 'buyback' program is disingenuous.

Believe whatever you want about the process itself, but there is nothing disengenuous about it. That is literally what a buyback is, the government buys back the guns that it will then be prohibiting. Disingenuous is referring to a buyback as a "confiscation", they are very different things.


To be fair the guns will be confiscated.  After the amnesty period ends and anyone dumb enough to keep theirs stops being a law abiding gun owner.
 
2022-10-02 9:44:18 AM  
Albertan here. Not sure why our government took this stance. In my view, the only people that should have assault weapons are military and SWAT.
 
2022-10-02 9:54:54 AM  

Don't Lag Me Bro: Albertan here. Not sure why our government took this stance. In my view, the only people that should have assault weapons are military and SWAT.


Hunting or target shooting can be done with single-shot weaponry, and if those are the justifications for having firearms among the general population then anything more should be restricted as you suggest.  Though I thought in Canada we had TAC not SWAT.  Maybe another thing Alberta copies from the US?

Anyway, I'm not entirely against the idea that the population should have access to sufficient weaponry to frighten the cops should there be a large-scale popular movement against them - that's kind of an insurance policy against authoritarianism.  What you don't want readily available is the kind of weaponry that makes a single person able to frighten the cops.  That's how you get lone nutbars cutting down crowds of innocent people.
 
2022-10-02 10:46:21 AM  

qorkfiend: Representative of the unwashed masses: Johnny the Tackling Alzheimers Patient: Me so thorny: Of course it would be Alberta to import the American lunacy that is State/Provincial governments refusing to allow the enforcement of federal law. Berta, Berta, Berta... Note that south of the border, this shiat is not just about guns.

There are actual staff within most Alberta ministries whose job it is to separate funding so that the money going to the RWNJ areas doesn't contain a trace of federally-sourced funding. This is at the request of the politicians in those areas; they would rather die of thirst than accept any water that Justin Trudeau might have been within 100 km of accidentally.

The worst of these are in the Wood Buffalo area which is where all the oil sands projects are located. It's also where you will find the most anti-vaxers and flat-earthers.

Resident of ft McMurray here. I'm trolled vaxed and am quite adamant that the planet is round. Please try again.

You might be vaxxed and think the world is round but your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired


Pardon my typo. TRIPLE not trolled.

I also realize that your location is New York so the geography of Alberta may not be your strong suit. Ft McMurray is located in the Rural Municipality of Wood Buffalo.

Actually to be specific in terms of government they are the same thing. Ft McMurray doesn't have its own city council. The municipality's government is the city government.

Yes there are a half dozen wing nuts who like to protest to this day and we have our share of folks who aren't vaccinated like anywhere else.

But people here are a lot smarter than you're giving us credit for.
 
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