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(Yahoo)   Five highlights from the Texas Gubernatorial debate between Greg Abbot and Beto O'Rourke. General wrapup: sorry, Beto, you were too nice to the arsehole   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2022-10-01 1:54:25 AM  
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2022-10-01 1:57:24 AM  


"Beto wants to continue open border policies," said Abbott.
Our source to verify is Beto O'Rourke's own campaign website. O'Rourke has a plan that includes investing "in border enforcement that actually works." He also supports more legal pathways to citizenship and a guest worker program. So we can verify Abbott's claim is false. O'Rourke does not support open borders.

 
2022-10-01 2:30:16 AM  

wademh: we can verify Abbott's claim is false.


The entire "debate" summed up in seven words.
 
2022-10-01 2:31:21 AM  

Walker: [Fark user image 447x671]


A gif of a pack baby diapers and some formula hitting an adult-sized coffin should suffice to shoot that down.
 
2022-10-01 2:41:19 AM  
The worst part of that debate was how poor it makes the US look as a country, let alone just Texas.

It was a failure on so many levels, it was staggering.

First of all, the "Moderators" asked so many loaded questions to Beto while throwing softball questions at Abbot. At times, the questions were longer than Beto's allotment to respond. They had very VERY short time limits and Beto kept opening his answers with these stories instead of getting to his point as quickly as possible.

He was up against an opponent that had short, quippy, (and most likely practiced) answers which appeal to the, let's say ignorant masses. It made Beto come off as long winded and inarticulate.

In a usual setting, Beto would have been fine.

We no longer live in that world.

He knew the rules of the debate going in (I ASSUME), but he seemed unprepared.

Dems. Folks. I love you. I really, truly do. But you need to learn the one thing the GOP has in spades.

Rhetoric.

Stop using 50 words when 5 would do.

It is fine to sound intelligent, but for fks sake, use your intelligence to get to the point quickly.

When it comes to debates, Dems absolutely have the best ideas.

But the GOP has THE BEST WORDS!!!!!

You have to stop appealing to just people's minds, you have to touch people's hearts.

But when your opponent is swinging a sledge hammer, you don't fight back with a wet noodle.

To be blunt about it, it was every bit as bad as Hill v Trump.

Stop being afraid of going for the throat.

Lives are on the line.
 
2022-10-01 2:51:19 AM  
Only an absolute idiot would vote for Abbot

/Oh... Wait
 
2022-10-01 2:53:05 AM  

wademh: Fact checking:
https://www.khou.com/article/news/verify/texas-gubernatorial-debate/285-dd264546-2f7d-4e1d-bc3a-5fbc78708e7b

"Beto wants to continue open border policies," said Abbott.
Our source to verify is Beto O'Rourke's own campaign website. O'Rourke has a plan that includes investing "in border enforcement that actually works." He also supports more legal pathways to citizenship and a guest worker program. So we can verify Abbott's claim is false. O'Rourke does not support open borders.


Beto needs to start pushing the idea that Abbot wants to disconnect Texas completely from Mexico and all that would entail, from no tourism to no imports.  Just drive the point home on what it means to have a closed border and see how well that sits with people.
 
2022-10-01 2:53:36 AM  
This is why Republicans stress civility: it makes Democrats lose.
 
2022-10-01 2:56:45 AM  

koder: Walker: [Fark user image 447x671]

A gif of a pack baby diapers and some formula hitting an adult-sized coffin should suffice to shoot that down.


Ghoulish enough that the voters might actually start getting a hint. But then again, it's Texas Gilead. They're equally likely to use the gif as fap material.
 
2022-10-01 3:01:59 AM  
Basically the entire debate was around bullet point talking points vaguely alluding to what a candidate will do or has done and criticisms cautioning what the other candidate has done or will do. The debate did absolutely nothing to advance either candidate's actual stance on issues and policies. We all knew the programming before the debate even started. Neither candidate can live up to their promises or can demonstrate a coherent plan to achieve these goals. Beto could and should have solely focused on the Abortion issue and how absolutely farked it is and how shiatty of a plan Abbott has to deal with what I would say, most, logical people can agree would be acceptable grounds for an abortion.

Beto has to prove that his stances are not extreme, how it will monetarily benefit all Texans, how he has the power to return to RvW, or at the very least carve out exceptions to incest babies, rape pregnancies, complication pregnancies, at risk pregnancies, etc. He needs to steer clear of gun control which is a giant political trap, at least in his campaigning and debates. He needs to demonstrate an effective form of border security.

The problem is that in his debates, he doesn't need to convince Democrats. He is already running in opposition of Abbott. He needs the voters in the *gasp* middle who have been disenfranchised by the Trumpian policies Abbott has recently enacted while more or less avoiding an opposition stance and what normally people would consider "key issues" but aren't going to drive votes.

That is how Beto can close the gap. Beto running as Abbott basically in his first term would beat an Abbott now.
 
2022-10-01 3:07:06 AM  
If "die for the economy" doesn't turn Texas blue, then nothing will. I know that's politicizing an elected official's words and ideas, but that's how far our country has sunk.
 
2022-10-01 3:12:30 AM  
Beto should have come out in a skateboard and done an ollie off his opponent's head.
 
2022-10-01 3:24:21 AM  
Texas is an oil company masquerading as a state.

The parallel power-structure managing their elections will never allow non-groomed sympathizers.
 
2022-10-01 3:24:30 AM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: This is why Republicans stress civility: it makes Democrats lose.


Because Republicans view Kindness as a Weakness.
 
2022-10-01 3:25:58 AM  

Wobambo: If "die for the economy" doesn't turn Texas blue, then nothing will. I know that's politicizing an elected official's words and ideas, but that's how far our country has sunk.


The people running their state are in bed with the Saudis.
 
2022-10-01 3:38:00 AM  
So Abbot just took all the stereotypical bullshiat things that Republicans THINK Democrats want and said them to a live audience. Just one lie after another. Seriously, how many people have actually said "We want people to be able to abort babies up to like a day before they're born"?

What's even worse is that this talk works with his idiot supporters. That should make every (intelligent) American weep for our future.
 
2022-10-01 3:57:25 AM  

HedlessChickn: The worst part of that debate was how poor it makes the US look as a country, let alone just Texas.

It was a failure on so many levels, it was staggering.

First of all, the "Moderators" asked so many loaded questions to Beto while throwing softball questions at Abbot. At times, the questions were longer than Beto's allotment to respond. They had very VERY short time limits and Beto kept opening his answers with these stories instead of getting to his point as quickly as possible.

He was up against an opponent that had short, quippy, (and most likely practiced) answers which appeal to the, let's say ignorant masses. It made Beto come off as long winded and inarticulate.

In a usual setting, Beto would have been fine.

We no longer live in that world.

He knew the rules of the debate going in (I ASSUME), but he seemed unprepared.

Dems. Folks. I love you. I really, truly do. But you need to learn the one thing the GOP has in spades.

Rhetoric.

Stop using 50 words when 5 would do.

It is fine to sound intelligent, but for fks sake, use your intelligence to get to the point quickly.

When it comes to debates, Dems absolutely have the best ideas.

But the GOP has THE BEST WORDS!!!!!

You have to stop appealing to just people's minds, you have to touch people's hearts.

But when your opponent is swinging a sledge hammer, you don't fight back with a wet noodle.

To be blunt about it, it was every bit as bad as Hill v Trump.

Stop being afraid of going for the throat.

Lives are on the line.


It's easy for Republicans to be short, quippy, and wrong. Generally intelligent and nuanced answers require more complexity.

But modern Democrats, and Beto is included in this, have a problem of Not Wanting To Upset Anyone. Which leads to them waffling instead of staking a hard policy or ethical stance on anything.
 
2022-10-01 4:07:58 AM  

FatherChaos: So Abbot just took all the stereotypical bullshiat things that Republicans THINK Democrats want and said them to a live audience. Just one lie after another. Seriously, how many people have actually said "We want people to be able to abort babies up to like a day before they're born"?

What's even worse is that this talk works with his idiot supporters. That should make every (intelligent) American weep for our future.


The "live audience" was just the TV hosts and crew. Everyone else had to watch it from home.
 
2022-10-01 4:15:38 AM  

Walker: [Fark user image 447x671]"After saying he'll eliminate rape in Texas, Greg Abbott now says that rape victims who are forced by the state to give birth will be offered "baby supplies" as a token of support"


Coat hangers?
 
2022-10-01 4:55:13 AM  

Excelsior: Walker: [Fark user image 447x671]"After saying he'll eliminate rape in Texas, Greg Abbott now says that rape victims who are forced by the state to give birth will be offered "baby supplies" as a token of support"

Coat hangers?


A nice tax cut for the rich would straighten this whole mess out.
 
2022-10-01 5:24:37 AM  

FatherChaos: What's even worse is that this talk works with his idiot supporters. That should make every (intelligent) American weep for our future


Already on it!!!
 
2022-10-01 6:04:09 AM  

mistahtom: Texas is an oil company masquerading as a state.


that goes to church.
 
2022-10-01 6:16:41 AM  

Ishkur: mistahtom: Texas is an oil company masquerading as a state.

that goes to church.


And frequent Level 1 trauma centers.
 
2022-10-01 6:45:19 AM  
Sorry, Beto choked hard on that one. First rule of debate, make your point quicker than the other person. If it takes more words, maybe your point isn't worth getting to.
 
2022-10-01 7:26:50 AM  
Without reading anything about this I can predict the following:

Anyone that supports Beto/Dems will say that Beto won and absolutely trounced and embarrassed Abbot.
Anyone that supports Abbot/GOP will say that Abbot won and absolutely trounced and embarrassed Beto.

No one who was watching walking into that debate thinking, "Well, I'm undecided.  This debate will help me make up my mind."  And I mean no one.
 
2022-10-01 7:32:39 AM  

tfresh: Sorry, Beto choked hard on that one. First rule of debate, make your point quicker than the other person. If it takes more words, maybe your point isn't worth getting to.


Take your ADD meds.
 
2022-10-01 7:39:08 AM  
https://twitter.com/RyanChandler98/status/1576024260434219008

#TXGovDebate focus group poll with @JackieKingston1 showing interesting results:

Pre-debate:
@GovAbbott - 40
@BetoORourke - 27
undecided - 33

Post-debate:
@GovAbbott - 43
@BetoORourke - 50
undecided - 7
 
2022-10-01 8:21:05 AM  
Were there people here that thought Beto had a shot at winning before the debate?

Beto couldn't beat an incredibly unpopular senator in a statewide race in a bluewave year. Abbot is not nearly as unpopular and this is not a bluewave year.

Beto never had a chance regardless of the debate.
 
2022-10-01 8:23:20 AM  
i liked the "audience question" asking what the candidates would do to lower mortgage rates. The question moderator must have been completely clueless seeing how mortgage rates are set by the federal reserve and not the states. The other moderators managed to move the question to property taxes but i was laughing too hard to hear what they said. Beto kept harping on how we "need solutions!" but provided none. At least Abbot had some "we did this", "we did that", "we're going to do this other stuff" to go along with the typical politician level answers.
 
2022-10-01 8:26:53 AM  

bloobeary: wademh: we can verify Abbott's claim is false.

The entire "debate" summed up in seven words.


Sum it up in two words: "Joe Biden!"
 
2022-10-01 8:59:28 AM  

harleyquinnical: wademh: Fact checking:
https://www.khou.com/article/news/verify/texas-gubernatorial-debate/285-dd264546-2f7d-4e1d-bc3a-5fbc78708e7b

"Beto wants to continue open border policies," said Abbott.
Our source to verify is Beto O'Rourke's own campaign website. O'Rourke has a plan that includes investing "in border enforcement that actually works." He also supports more legal pathways to citizenship and a guest worker program. So we can verify Abbott's claim is false. O'Rourke does not support open borders.

Beto needs to start pushing the idea that Abbot wants to disconnect Texas completely from Mexico and all that would entail, from no tourism to no imports.  Just drive the point home on what it means to have a closed border and see how well that sits with people.


So, Abbott is going to divorce his wife and send her packing? And he parents too?

After all they are Mexican.
 
2022-10-01 9:34:20 AM  
Sounds like Beto should have brought the thunder like he did at the Uvalde meeting. He really needs to use fear and anger like the GOP do.
 
2022-10-01 9:34:43 AM  

HedlessChickn: The worst part of that debate was how poor it makes the US look as a country, let alone just Texas.

It was a failure on so many levels, it was staggering.

First of all, the "Moderators" asked so many loaded questions to Beto while throwing softball questions at Abbot. At times, the questions were longer than Beto's allotment to respond. They had very VERY short time limits and Beto kept opening his answers with these stories instead of getting to his point as quickly as possible.

He was up against an opponent that had short, quippy, (and most likely practiced) answers which appeal to the, let's say ignorant masses. It made Beto come off as long winded and inarticulate.

In a usual setting, Beto would have been fine.

We no longer live in that world.

He knew the rules of the debate going in (I ASSUME), but he seemed unprepared.

Dems. Folks. I love you. I really, truly do. But you need to learn the one thing the GOP has in spades.

Rhetoric.

Stop using 50 words when 5 would do.

It is fine to sound intelligent, but for fks sake, use your intelligence to get to the point quickly.

When it comes to debates, Dems absolutely have the best ideas.

But the GOP has THE BEST WORDS!!!!!

You have to stop appealing to just people's minds, you have to touch people's hearts.

But when your opponent is swinging a sledge hammer, you don't fight back with a wet noodle.

To be blunt about it, it was every bit as bad as Hill v Trump.

Stop being afraid of going for the throat.

Lives are on the line.


sorry beto doesn't INSPIRE you, eeyore. is it too difficult for you to just grow up and vote for the best candidate?

btw, what time is it in moscow?
 
2022-10-01 9:42:04 AM  
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2022-10-01 9:44:02 AM  
The empty stage, who decided that?

Some say it was Abbott who didn't want to be booed.

Others say it was Abbott who wanted to cut Beto off from what energizes him -- the people he serves.

Could also be that all the buses Abbott would need to bring in his fan club were taken.  Many to send the newly arrived to Manhattan.  Many taken by women needing transportation elsewhere to medical services.

Imagine the administration over at Rio Grande Valley's branch of the University of Texas -- all excited to show the campus, setting up a lottery for seats, seeing the press all doing interviews, etc.    Then Abbott pulls the "Well I could just do this on Zoom from Austin surrounded by uniforms if I don't get an empty auditorium.  You wouldn't treat Putin this way."
 
2022-10-01 10:09:06 AM  
Yeah... ima not trusting The Hill for a hot take.

I tried to watch the debate but didn't get around to it.  Maybe I'll look for the stream.
 
2022-10-01 10:09:27 AM  

tfresh: Sorry, Beto choked hard on that one. First rule of debate, make your point quicker than the other person. If it takes more words, maybe your point isn't worth getting to.


THIS. Conservatives don't understand anything more complicated than bumper sticker slogans, so asking them to follow entire sentences is way too much. Beto made a mistake trying to treat them like intelligent adults.
 
2022-10-01 10:15:54 AM  

TFerWannaBe: tfresh: Sorry, Beto choked hard on that one. First rule of debate, make your point quicker than the other person. If it takes more words, maybe your point isn't worth getting to.

THIS. Conservatives don't understand anything more complicated than bumper sticker slogans, so asking them to follow entire sentences is way too much. Beto made a mistake trying to treat them like intelligent adults.


To be fair, he's not there to talk to or convince Conservatives. He never will. He's there to sway moderates, and/or to drive voter turnout.
 
2022-10-01 10:33:19 AM  

WhiskeySticks: Beto should have come out in a skateboard and done an ollie off his opponent's head.


He must negate the advantage conferred by the wheels gap.
 
2022-10-01 10:47:31 AM  
ok bernie bromitter he's just trying to unite us
 
2022-10-01 10:52:49 AM  

Wobambo: If "die for the economy" doesn't turn Texas blue, then nothing will. I know that's politicizing an elected official's words and ideas, but that's how far our country has sunk.


Die For The Economy is the Democratic Party's Covid-19 platform.  It was almost the GOP's, but they lost power before they could implement it.  Biden's Canalyzed Infection policies, which used public school children to carve out a survivorship populationunder the guise of building immunity,will kill orders of magnitude more Americans over the next decade than all previous waves combined.

You can try to say Republicans would have done the same thing, but there's no way they would have been nearly as successful it.  Making America into a chronically ill nation where no less than 50 percent of people have less than 10 years to live never would have happened had the Democratic Party not been conquered from within.
 
2022-10-01 10:54:46 AM  

Walker: [Fark user image image 447x671]


What a loathsome piece of shait. He'll be re-elected in a landslide.
 
2022-10-01 10:55:25 AM  

wademh: Fact checking:
https://www.khou.com/article/news/verify/texas-gubernatorial-debate/285-dd264546-2f7d-4e1d-bc3a-5fbc78708e7b



"Beto wants to continue open border policies," said Abbott.
Our source to verify is Beto O'Rourke's own campaign website. O'Rourke has a plan that includes investing "in border enforcement that actually works." He also supports more legal pathways to citizenship and a guest worker program. So we can verify Abbott's claim is false. O'Rourke does not support open borders.


Like facts matter to Republicans.
 
2022-10-01 11:00:09 AM  

Kris_Romm: To be fair, he's not there to talk to or convince Conservatives. He never will. He's there to sway moderates, and/or to drive voter turnout.


Thisidy this this this.
Please forever drop the fantasy that we will EVER communicate with these "people".
That's not who Dems should be talking to - they should be talking to the undecided and the reluctant voters, and offering them something to vote FOR.
Cletus is a lost cause, and our best hope with conservatives is that they will give us the opportunity to gun them down in the streets when they try to start their pitiful c*nt-ass little "civil war".
 
2022-10-01 11:02:39 AM  

TFerWannaBe: tfresh: Sorry, Beto choked hard on that one. First rule of debate, make your point quicker than the other person. If it takes more words, maybe your point isn't worth getting to.

THIS. Conservatives don't understand anything more complicated than bumper sticker slogans, so asking them to follow entire sentences is way too much. Beto made a mistake trying to treat them like intelligent adults.


That's the mistake Democrats keep making. Most Americans are idiots, and need to be treated as such.
 
2022-10-01 11:03:47 AM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Wobambo: If "die for the economy" doesn't turn Texas blue, then nothing will. I know that's politicizing an elected official's words and ideas, but that's how far our country has sunk.

Die For The Economy is the Democratic Party's Covid-19 platform.  It was almost the GOP's, but they lost power before they could implement it.  Biden's Canalyzed Infection policies, which used public school children to carve out a survivorship populationunder the guise of building immunity,will kill orders of magnitude more Americans over the next decade than all previous waves combined.

You can try to say Republicans would have done the same thing, but there's no way they would have been nearly as successful it.  Making America into a chronically ill nation where no less than 50 percent of people have less than 10 years to live never would have happened had the Democratic Party not been conquered from within.


You forgot to take your meds again.
 
2022-10-01 11:19:45 AM  

HedlessChickn: The worst part of that debate was how poor it makes the US look as a country, let alone just Texas.

It was a failure on so many levels, it was staggering.

First of all, the "Moderators" asked so many loaded questions to Beto while throwing softball questions at Abbot. At times, the questions were longer than Beto's allotment to respond. They had very VERY short time limits and Beto kept opening his answers with these stories instead of getting to his point as quickly as possible.

He was up against an opponent that had short, quippy, (and most likely practiced) answers which appeal to the, let's say ignorant masses. It made Beto come off as long winded and inarticulate.

In a usual setting, Beto would have been fine.

We no longer live in that world.

He knew the rules of the debate going in (I ASSUME), but he seemed unprepared.

Dems. Folks. I love you. I really, truly do. But you need to learn the one thing the GOP has in spades.

Rhetoric.

Stop using 50 words when 5 would do.

It is fine to sound intelligent, but for fks sake, use your intelligence to get to the point quickly.

When it comes to debates, Dems absolutely have the best ideas.

But the GOP has THE BEST WORDS!!!!!

You have to stop appealing to just people's minds, you have to touch people's hearts.

But when your opponent is swinging a sledge hammer, you don't fight back with a wet noodle.

To be blunt about it, it was every bit as bad as Hill v Trump.

Stop being afraid of going for the throat.

Lives are on the line.


I haven't seen a lot of the debate, but this is true in general.

On the power grid question Beto missed his mark.

"The governor is touting his actions after a power grid failure that killed 200 people as a success.  A successful governor would have improved the grid before people died when he was given warnings.  It's easier to fix things after they're broken, **you want a governor that doesn't wait until people die to do something to protect you.**".

Arguing whether the grid is now safe seems like a losing point in comparison to "he waited until people died to do something", and that little sentence is what he needed to hit them with.
 
2022-10-01 11:20:45 AM  

wademh: Fact checking:
https://www.khou.com/article/news/verify/texas-gubernatorial-debate/285-dd264546-2f7d-4e1d-bc3a-5fbc78708e7b



"Beto wants to continue open border policies," said Abbott.
Our source to verify is Beto O'Rourke's own campaign website. O'Rourke has a plan that includes investing "in border enforcement that actually works." He also supports more legal pathways to citizenship and a guest worker program. So we can verify Abbott's claim is false. O'Rourke does not support open borders.


Anything other than shooting people who approach the border is advocating for "Open Borders".   Americans want a Berlin Wall approach to central and South America.  Why? Because dealing with the consequences of centuries of shiatty US foreign policy in a reasonable fashion is communism, liberal scum.
 
2022-10-01 11:21:58 AM  

Johnson: backhand.slap.of.reason: This is why Republicans stress civility: it makes Democrats lose.

Because Republicans view Kindness as a Weakness.


Americans view kindness as weakness.
 
2022-10-01 11:22:41 AM  

mistahtom: Wobambo: If "die for the economy" doesn't turn Texas blue, then nothing will. I know that's politicizing an elected official's words and ideas, but that's how far our country has sunk.

The people running their state are in bed with the Saudis.


Same with Arizona.  The Saudis own our water.
 
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