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2022-09-30 10:34:30 PM  
Key & Peele - Rap Album Confessions
Youtube 14WE3A0PwVs
 
2022-09-30 10:54:24 PM  
So these biatches ain't shiat, is what Gavin Newsome is trying to say?
 
2022-09-30 10:55:51 PM  

khitsicker: [YouTube video: Key & Peele - Rap Album Confessions]


*shakes tiny fist of rage*
 
2022-09-30 11:14:16 PM  
This is actually a big deal. It's a practice aimed at predominantly black hip hop  artists.

"According to the BBC, hip-hop lyrics have been leveraged as evidence in 500-plus criminal cases in the U.S. over the past 20 years ."

https://deadline.com/2022/09/california-newsom-law-rap-lyrics-evidence-1235132590/?ICID=ref_fark
 
2022-10-01 12:09:51 AM  

thorpe: This is actually a big deal. It's a practice aimed at predominantly black hip hop  artists.

"According to the BBC, hip-hop lyrics have been leveraged as evidence in 500-plus criminal cases in the U.S. over the past 20 years ."

https://deadline.com/2022/09/california-newsom-law-rap-lyrics-evidence-1235132590/?ICID=ref_fark


Only because OJ waited to write his book AFTER thr criminal trial.
 
2022-10-01 1:09:41 AM  

puffy999: So these biatches ain't shiat, is what Gavin Newsome is trying to say?


Well... they are hoes and tricks.
 
2022-10-01 3:02:04 AM  

puffy999: So these biatches ain't shiat, is what Gavin Newsome is trying to say?


was that really necessary?

seems an odd direction to go...
 
2022-10-01 3:07:39 AM  

HedlessChickn: puffy999: So these biatches ain't shiat, is what Gavin Newsome is trying to say?

was that really necessary?

seems an odd direction to go...


Eh, if authorities are saying "don't take these words at face value," then it would imply that these individuals are not what they are cracked up to be, if their art were to be representative of their person.

So I stand by my statement.
 
2022-10-01 3:10:51 AM  

puffy999: HedlessChickn: puffy999: So these biatches ain't shiat, is what Gavin Newsome is trying to say?

was that really necessary?

seems an odd direction to go...

Eh, if authorities are saying "don't take these words at face value," then it would imply that these individuals are not what they are cracked up to be, if their art were to be representative of their person.

So I stand by my statement.


Are you saying Cobain was the rapist in Polly?

wtf?
 
2022-10-01 3:14:24 AM  

HedlessChickn: puffy999: HedlessChickn: puffy999: So these biatches ain't shiat, is what Gavin Newsome is trying to say?

was that really necessary?

seems an odd direction to go...

Eh, if authorities are saying "don't take these words at face value," then it would imply that these individuals are not what they are cracked up to be, if their art were to be representative of their person.

So I stand by my statement.

Are you saying Cobain was the rapist in Polly?

wtf?


Well thaaat was a stretch.

And Kurt Cobain was a farking psychopath. Not the hill to die on for loner white people.

What next? Going to mention that Machine Gun Kelly is a pedophile? Well he is.
 
2022-10-01 3:18:12 AM  
I mean, we're not even talking East Coast. We're talking California.

This shiat is like Suge himself got in with California's legislature. "Wait they can GET ME FOR THAT? But he's DEAD how can you snitch if you're dead?! You can't testify! You can't be cross-examined! F*ck!"
 
2022-10-01 3:18:48 AM  

thorpe: This is actually a big deal. It's a practice aimed at predominantly black hip hop  artists.

"According to the BBC, hip-hop lyrics have been leveraged as evidence in 500-plus criminal cases in the U.S. over the past 20 years ."

https://deadline.com/2022/09/california-newsom-law-rap-lyrics-evidence-1235132590/?ICID=ref_fark


Thank dog, a law to protect our legends.
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2022-10-01 3:20:04 AM  

puffy999: HedlessChickn: puffy999: HedlessChickn: puffy999: So these biatches ain't shiat, is what Gavin Newsome is trying to say?

was that really necessary?

seems an odd direction to go...

Eh, if authorities are saying "don't take these words at face value," then it would imply that these individuals are not what they are cracked up to be, if their art were to be representative of their person.

So I stand by my statement.

Are you saying Cobain was the rapist in Polly?

wtf?

Well thaaat was a stretch.

And Kurt Cobain was a farking psychopath. Not the hill to die on for loner white people.

What next? Going to mention that Machine Gun Kelly is a pedophile? Well he is.


I'm a loner white people, but we're talking about music here.

IDK who Machine Gun Kelly is, and I don't care.

All art is subject to interpretation and the government has absolutely zero business trying to do so.

Get fuct.
 
2022-10-01 3:20:34 AM  

puffy999: HedlessChickn: puffy999: HedlessChickn: puffy999: So these biatches ain't shiat, is what Gavin Newsome is trying to say?

was that really necessary?

seems an odd direction to go...

Eh, if authorities are saying "don't take these words at face value," then it would imply that these individuals are not what they are cracked up to be, if their art were to be representative of their person.

So I stand by my statement.

Are you saying Cobain was the rapist in Polly?

wtf?

Well thaaat was a stretch.

And Kurt Cobain was a farking psychopath. Not the hill to die on for loner white people.

What next? Going to mention that Machine Gun Kelly is a pedophile? Well he is.


Melvins were and are better
 
2022-10-01 3:20:40 AM  
Finally.

This has to be the dumbest legal thing I've ever heard of in my life.

One recent, very high-profile example is a RICO case brought in Atlanta against Young Thug, Gunna, and other YSL Records affiliates. Prosecutors allege that the label is actually an organized crime syndicate responsible for "75 to 80% of violent crime" of the city's crime.
The rappers' lyrics are cited over and over in the charging document "in furtherance of the conspiracy."


How would that even work? I mean, it's one thing to say, for instance, the way Suge Knight took OVER Death Row Records and then used it to finance his OWN criminal lifestyle (that's never really been in doubt); but the idea that Death Row Records was ITSELF a criminal enterprise in which the artists were acting "in furtherance of the conspiracy"...to do what, one wonders?...every time they appeared on stage?

Same thing here. If they bring a RICO case against any of the officers or artists of YSL, okay, fine...but claiming their lyrics are proof of a conspiracy? Because they rap about violence that means...something something gangsters? Even crime organizations have to do something, like, you know, deal drugs or fix concrete contracts or buy votes from corrupt politicians. Singing to disaffected youth doesn't qualify.
 
2022-10-01 3:21:54 AM  
I hope there's an Eric Clapton/ Ted Nugent/ Kid Rock exception. Reparations seems only fair.
 
2022-10-01 3:25:53 AM  
Smoking a doobie while Grand Funk plays from the speakers, this arguing makes me feel like I'm in a tavern.
 
2022-10-01 3:27:28 AM  

HedlessChickn: puffy999: So these biatches ain't shiat, is what Gavin Newsome is trying to say?

was that really necessary?

seems an odd direction to go...


dr.dre - bitches aint shit (but hoes and tricks)
Youtube OYHL6AYAwQU
Better?
 
2022-10-01 3:31:57 AM  

chitownmike: HedlessChickn: puffy999: So these biatches ain't shiat, is what Gavin Newsome is trying to say?

was that really necessary?

seems an odd direction to go...

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/OYHL6AYAwQU] Better?


This guy gets it
 
2022-10-01 3:49:19 AM  
So now they can start looking for who really shot the sheriff?

/my money's on the deputy... he really wanted that promotion.
 
2022-10-01 3:56:15 AM  

X-Geek: So now they can start looking for who really shot the sheriff?

/my money's on the deputy... he really wanted that promotion.


The question of who shot the sheriff was never in doubt, the question was whether it was in self-defense.

Maybe the sheriff shot the deputy because he was going to expose corruption in the department?
 
2022-10-01 3:58:10 AM  
And yet Ice T remains unjustly imprisoned for Cop Killer.
 
2022-10-01 4:01:32 AM  
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2022-10-01 4:15:32 AM  

thorpe: This is actually a big deal. It's a practice aimed at predominantly black hip hop  artists.

"According to the BBC, hip-hop lyrics have been leveraged as evidence in 500-plus criminal cases in the U.S. over the past 20 years ."

https://deadline.com/2022/09/california-newsom-law-rap-lyrics-evidence-1235132590/?ICID=ref_fark


Yikes, 500 times in 20 years? I could see it happening a few times - apparently criminals love bragging about their crimes, so why should criminals who also rap be any different? - but at the frequency of twice a month for two solid decades... yikes.

// the genre is about fabulism, n'est-ce pas? why should we take anything at face value?
// if they include some specific detail of a specific crime in their lyrics that only someone who did the crime would know, fine - but that seems like a VERY narrow needle to thread
// not, you know, 500 times in recent memory
 
2022-10-01 4:21:41 AM  
QAnon can't rhyme.They approve! biatches!
 
2022-10-01 4:21:54 AM  

puffy999: HedlessChickn: puffy999: So these biatches ain't shiat, is what Gavin Newsome is trying to say?

was that really necessary?

seems an odd direction to go...

Eh, if authorities are saying "don't take these words at face value," then it would imply that these individuals are not what they are cracked up to be, if their art were to be representative of their person.

So I stand by my statement.


A lot of people want to have it both ways.  They're trying to use rap as a platform to promote their own ego and street reputation so they can sell more music and merchandise, but then when the police seem interested in why they're admitting to specific murders, suddenly they're artists who never had anything to do with it. Right.

This all sounds very Trumpian - words have no meaning or they're always "misinterpreted" or "taken out of context" or some other such bullshiat.
 
2022-10-01 4:24:08 AM  

Dr Dreidel: thorpe: This is actually a big deal. It's a practice aimed at predominantly black hip hop  artists.

"According to the BBC, hip-hop lyrics have been leveraged as evidence in 500-plus criminal cases in the U.S. over the past 20 years ."

https://deadline.com/2022/09/california-newsom-law-rap-lyrics-evidence-1235132590/?ICID=ref_fark

Yikes, 500 times in 20 years? I could see it happening a few times - apparently criminals love bragging about their crimes, so why should criminals who also rap be any different? - but at the frequency of twice a month for two solid decades... yikes.


Louder than a Riot Podcast

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2022-10-01 4:29:14 AM  
Pretty sure Don McClean tampered with the plane.
 
2022-10-01 4:30:25 AM  
Spinabenz, Whoppa Wit Da Choppa, Yungeen Ace, & FastMoney Goon - Who I Smoke (Official Music Video)
Youtube YFfGgeddAc4
 
2022-10-01 4:31:49 AM  

khatores: puffy999: HedlessChickn: puffy999: So these biatches ain't shiat, is what Gavin Newsome is trying to say?

was that really necessary?

seems an odd direction to go...

Eh, if authorities are saying "don't take these words at face value," then it would imply that these individuals are not what they are cracked up to be, if their art were to be representative of their person.

So I stand by my statement.

A lot of people want to have it both ways.  They're trying to use rap as a platform to promote their own ego and street reputation so they can sell more music and merchandise, but then when the police seem interested in why they're admitting to specific murders, suddenly they're artists who never had anything to do with it. Right.

This all sounds very Trumpian - words have no meaning or they're always "misinterpreted" or "taken out of context" or some other such bullshiat.


Eh... White music execs wield great power is serving a certain image that sells and reinforces certain stereotypes, while blocking hip-hop that challenges the status quo. Affluent white youth living a "gangsta" lifestyle will almost always get off from any crimes they commit, and the poor white and black performers who feel they need to live the lifestyle to be authentic are a worthy sacrifice to Capitalism. Meanwhile, huge swaths of potential for the genre are suppressed because it's too real, honest, or not as easily marketable. 

But sure, equate it to the admitted sexual abuser who got to play president and at best will face jail time on some tax charges, not his crimes against humanity.
 
2022-10-01 4:39:43 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Finally.

This has to be the dumbest legal thing I've ever heard of in my life.

One recent, very high-profile example is a RICO case brought in Atlanta against Young Thug, Gunna, and other YSL Records affiliates. Prosecutors allege that the label is actually an organized crime syndicate responsible for "75 to 80% of violent crime" of the city's crime.
The rappers' lyrics are cited over and over in the charging document "in furtherance of the conspiracy."

How would that even work? I mean, it's one thing to say, for instance, the way Suge Knight took OVER Death Row Records and then used it to finance his OWN criminal lifestyle (that's never really been in doubt); but the idea that Death Row Records was ITSELF a criminal enterprise in which the artists were acting "in furtherance of the conspiracy"...to do what, one wonders?...every time they appeared on stage?

Same thing here. If they bring a RICO case against any of the officers or artists of YSL, okay, fine...but claiming their lyrics are proof of a conspiracy? Because they rap about violence that means...something something gangsters? Even crime organizations have to do something, like, you know, deal drugs or fix concrete contracts or buy votes from corrupt politicians. Singing to disaffected youth doesn't qualify.


Never understood it myself, barring "Well this guy made a specific song about this specific crime about exactly how he did it, and it matches scene evidence that there's no way someone that wasn't there would know..."  If it's like that ok well, that's a reasonable time to be asking questions.  Not charging them with a crime, but investigating that shiat yes.  If you're going to insist art is corroborating evidence, it's better be some damn specific art dovetailing with some damn specific crime particulars including the bits that aren't common knowledge

/AKA the musical equivalent of "Videotaping this crime spree is the best idea ever!"
 
2022-10-01 4:40:09 AM  
Here is a other one, Dthang is locked up with like 65 different charges or something wild like that. Every other line in the song is someone they shot etc. There are YouTube channels that breakdown all the different names and link them with news clips of murders in the city and other crimes. It's kinda crazy lol.


Dthang x Bando x T dot - Talk Facts ( Official Music Video )
Youtube Vn5uuR9Q0hE
 
2022-10-01 4:46:15 AM  
Huh. Imagine taking a song by ICP, or Dark Lotus, or The Offspring, or The Doors, or... seriously enough to claim that, if they didn't back up their lyrics through similar or identical action in real life, they're just not real artists, but if they did, then they're prosecutable criminals?

And if you can do that for song lyrics, why not other word-based constructs? Imagine holding folks who write horror movies, or adventure novels, or poetry, or whatever, to the same standard?

That's just... bizarre. Yet folks in this thread appear to be making that argument.

Stop confusing art with reality. Nothing "Trumpian" about it unless you're unable to separate fact from fantasy.
 
2022-10-01 5:01:44 AM  

Ed Willy: Eh... White music execs wield great power is serving a certain image that sells and reinforces certain stereotypes, while blocking hip-hop that challenges the status quo.

Affluent white youth living a "gangsta" lifestyle will almost always get off from any crimes they commit, and the poor white and black performers who feel they need to live the lifestyle to be authentic are a worthy sacrifice to Capitalism. Meanwhile, huge swaths of potential for the genre are suppressed because it's too real, honest, or not as easily marketable.

Well, we're in agreement there.

But sure, equate it to the admitted sexual abuser who got to play president and at best will face jail time on some tax charges, not his crimes against humanity.
Yes - they have similar methods of passing misinformation to the public. Currently, Jacksonville is experiencing this freedom of expression in the form of a string of violent gang-related murders between Yungeen Ace and Julio Foolio. They've released a series of dueling music videos.
 
2022-10-01 5:47:13 AM  
I've got murder in my heart for the judge
I've got murder in my heart for the judge
Well that bad old judge wouldn't budge
I've got murder in my heart for the judge

-
Jerry A. Miller Jr, Donald J. Stevenson
 
2022-10-01 6:06:08 AM  
Hey they didn't use Cannibal Corpse lyrics against Pat O Brian when he rushed a cop, seems fair.
 
2022-10-01 6:37:45 AM  
Bob Marley is no longer under suspicion for shooting the sheriff, the deputy's murder still unsolved.
 
2022-10-01 7:03:05 AM  
Thank goodness Frontalot is safe now.

Crime Spree
Youtube 7hr99zaG8Gc
 
2022-10-01 7:39:34 AM  

thorpe: This is actually a big deal. It's a practice aimed at predominantly black hip hop  artists.

"According to the BBC, hip-hop lyrics have been leveraged as evidence in 500-plus criminal cases in the U.S. over the past 20 years ."

https://deadline.com/2022/09/california-newsom-law-rap-lyrics-evidence-1235132590/?ICID=ref_fark


Who else is regularly confessing to crimes via their lyrics?

"Targeted at" suggests this group is being singled out of a larger population, instead of self-selecting through their chosen actions.
 
2022-10-01 7:45:17 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Gyrfalcon: Finally.

This has to be the dumbest legal thing I've ever heard of in my life.

One recent, very high-profile example is a RICO case brought in Atlanta against Young Thug, Gunna, and other YSL Records affiliates. Prosecutors allege that the label is actually an organized crime syndicate responsible for "75 to 80% of violent crime" of the city's crime.
The rappers' lyrics are cited over and over in the charging document "in furtherance of the conspiracy."

How would that even work? I mean, it's one thing to say, for instance, the way Suge Knight took OVER Death Row Records and then used it to finance his OWN criminal lifestyle (that's never really been in doubt); but the idea that Death Row Records was ITSELF a criminal enterprise in which the artists were acting "in furtherance of the conspiracy"...to do what, one wonders?...every time they appeared on stage?

Same thing here. If they bring a RICO case against any of the officers or artists of YSL, okay, fine...but claiming their lyrics are proof of a conspiracy? Because they rap about violence that means...something something gangsters? Even crime organizations have to do something, like, you know, deal drugs or fix concrete contracts or buy votes from corrupt politicians. Singing to disaffected youth doesn't qualify.

Never understood it myself, barring "Well this guy made a specific song about this specific crime about exactly how he did it, and it matches scene evidence that there's no way someone that wasn't there would know..."  If it's like that ok well, that's a reasonable time to be asking questions.  Not charging them with a crime, but investigating that shiat yes.  If you're going to insist art is corroborating evidence, it's better be some damn specific art dovetailing with some damn specific crime particulars including the bits that aren't common knowledge

/AKA the musical equivalent of "Videotaping this crime spree is the best idea ever!"


Or writing a murder mystery about your murders or a fire investigation book about your arsons etc.
 
2022-10-01 8:03:08 AM  
Skimming VERY briefly, it appears the restriction applies only to artists and not to known family violence perpetrators who want to beg off claiming "it's only song lyrics" after sending a former spouse or lover a message that reads "gonna bust a cap in that jelly, in that jelly, in that jelly." So, I feel, meh, so long as it doesn't let DV perps walk, I'm okay with it.
 
2022-10-01 8:20:51 AM  
Man, Johnny Cash really got away with some shiat.
 
2022-10-01 8:31:37 AM  

puffy999: thorpe: This is actually a big deal. It's a practice aimed at predominantly black hip hop  artists.

"According to the BBC, hip-hop lyrics have been leveraged as evidence in 500-plus criminal cases in the U.S. over the past 20 years ."

https://deadline.com/2022/09/california-newsom-law-rap-lyrics-evidence-1235132590/?ICID=ref_fark

Only because OJ waited to write his book AFTER thr criminal trial.


not predominately black

Predominately too lazy to write their own lyrics
 
2022-10-01 8:45:35 AM  

khatores: puffy999: HedlessChickn: puffy999: So these biatches ain't shiat, is what Gavin Newsome is trying to say?

was that really necessary?

seems an odd direction to go...

Eh, if authorities are saying "don't take these words at face value," then it would imply that these individuals are not what they are cracked up to be, if their art were to be representative of their person.

So I stand by my statement.

A lot of people want to have it both ways.  They're trying to use rap as a platform to promote their own ego and street reputation so they can sell more music and merchandise, but then when the police seem interested in why they're admitting to specific murders, suddenly they're artists who never had anything to do with it. Right.

This all sounds very Trumpian - words have no meaning or they're always "misinterpreted" or "taken out of context" or some other such bullshiat.


So when the horror movie says it's a true story, it is, even if end credits say it's not?
 
2022-10-01 8:48:01 AM  

FormlessOne: Huh. Imagine taking a song by ICP, or Dark Lotus, or The Offspring, or The Doors, or... seriously enough to claim that, if they didn't back up their lyrics through similar or identical action in real life, they're just not real artists, but if they did, then they're prosecutable criminals?

And if you can do that for song lyrics, why not other word-based constructs? Imagine holding folks who write horror movies, or adventure novels, or poetry, or whatever, to the same standard?

That's just... bizarre. Yet folks in this thread appear to be making that argument.

Stop confusing art with reality. Nothing "Trumpian" about it unless you're unable to separate fact from fantasy.


This.
 
2022-10-01 8:49:48 AM  

khatores: Ed Willy: Eh... White music execs wield great power is serving a certain image that sells and reinforces certain stereotypes, while blocking hip-hop that challenges the status quo.

Affluent white youth living a "gangsta" lifestyle will almost always get off from any crimes they commit, and the poor white and black performers who feel they need to live the lifestyle to be authentic are a worthy sacrifice to Capitalism. Meanwhile, huge swaths of potential for the genre are suppressed because it's too real, honest, or not as easily marketable.
Well, we're in agreement there.

But sure, equate it to the admitted sexual abuser who got to play president and at best will face jail time on some tax charges, not his crimes against humanity.
Yes - they have similar methods of passing misinformation to the public. Currently, Jacksonville is experiencing this freedom of expression in the form of a string of violent gang-related murders between Yungeen Ace and Julio Foolio. They've released a series of dueling music videos.


Wait. Let's back here. If rap lyrics are an issue.  Why can't hate speech be in issue?
 
2022-10-01 8:51:08 AM  

Thingster: thorpe: This is actually a big deal. It's a practice aimed at predominantly black hip hop  artists.

"According to the BBC, hip-hop lyrics have been leveraged as evidence in 500-plus criminal cases in the U.S. over the past 20 years ."

https://deadline.com/2022/09/california-newsom-law-rap-lyrics-evidence-1235132590/?ICID=ref_fark

Who else is regularly confessing to crimes via their lyrics?

"Targeted at" suggests this group is being singled out of a larger population, instead of self-selecting through their chosen actions.


By this logic hate speech should be getting people locked up
 
2022-10-01 8:52:05 AM  

Bruscar: Skimming VERY briefly, it appears the restriction applies only to artists and not to known family violence perpetrators who want to beg off claiming "it's only song lyrics" after sending a former spouse or lover a message that reads "gonna bust a cap in that jelly, in that jelly, in that jelly." So, I feel, meh, so long as it doesn't let DV perps walk, I'm okay with it.


Interesting
 
2022-10-01 8:53:39 AM  
So, if i want to threaten anyone legally, all I have to do is make it rhyme?
 
2022-10-01 8:56:41 AM  

thorpe: This is actually a big deal. It's a practice aimed at predominantly black hip hop  artists.

"According to the BBC, hip-hop lyrics have been leveraged as evidence in 500-plus criminal cases in the U.S. over the past 20 years ."

https://deadline.com/2022/09/california-newsom-law-rap-lyrics-evidence-1235132590/?ICID=ref_fark


Agreed. How many Hollywood types have had their filmographies cited as evidence of character? Bet that number lies somewhere around zero.
 
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