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2022-09-30 10:48:40 PM  
Submitter - Please use the LIVE tag in the future.


Thanks!
 
2022-09-30 11:34:20 PM  
I liked it. Eager for more.
 
2022-09-30 11:40:21 PM  

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: I liked it. Eager for more.


This.

Thank you Jeff Bezos.
 
2022-09-30 11:43:45 PM  
"Orc" is not the preferred nomenclature.
 
2022-09-30 11:46:53 PM  

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: I liked it. Eager for more.


This episode was super dope. I even like the Nampat chant.
 
2022-10-01 12:02:08 AM  
I really like this show.  I'm very excited to see everything they can fit in to this very open to interpretation (due to lack of source material), age of middle earth.
 
2022-10-01 12:12:01 AM  
Best episode so far - although the other episodes haven't been "omg what" like this one was.

From the tower fake out to the defense of the village to the reason for the tunnels the whole episode had me glued to it.

Maybe two things I didn't like about it -
1) the slow-mo shot of the Numeorean host gave it away that they would make it in time, and I thought that was a little lame - when nurse mom Brownwyr got hit through with the arrow I thought that would be bold to kill a likeable character... but, plot armor I guess.

And

2) when both Arondir and Theo have the wrapped up not-sword key, both having previously held it before - couldn't tell the weight of it was different? Ok Theo seems a little dumb but Arondir wouldn't let that slip.
 
2022-10-01 12:27:03 AM  

The_EliteOne: Best episode so far - although the other episodes haven't been "omg what" like this one was.

From the tower fake out to the defense of the village to the reason for the tunnels the whole episode had me glued to it.

Maybe two things I didn't like about it -
1) the slow-mo shot of the Numeorean host gave it away that they would make it in time, and I thought that was a little lame - when nurse mom Brownwyr got hit through with the arrow I thought that would be bold to kill a likeable character... but, plot armor I guess.

And

2) when both Arondir and Theo have the wrapped up not-sword key, both having previously held it before - couldn't tell the weight of it was different? Ok Theo seems a little dumb but Arondir wouldn't let that slip.


I think that Adar (proto-orc) told Waldren (Sauron-cultst) to take the blade and activate the dam; he did tell Waldren 'I have an important task for you...' before the Numenorians arrived. The switch was made off screen after Arondir (Handsome & Successful Elf) had hidden the blade. Adar just turned himself into a decoy to keep the focus on him, rather than who actually had the blade.
 
2022-10-01 12:42:54 AM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: "Orc" is not the preferred nomenclature.


Yeah, the word turned into a slur once people started associating it with Putin's troops. Even Sauron finds it too offensive to use now.
 
2022-10-01 12:43:58 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: The_EliteOne: Best episode so far - although the other episodes haven't been "omg what" like this one was.

From the tower fake out to the defense of the village to the reason for the tunnels the whole episode had me glued to it.

Maybe two things I didn't like about it -
1) the slow-mo shot of the Numeorean host gave it away that they would make it in time, and I thought that was a little lame - when nurse mom Brownwyr got hit through with the arrow I thought that would be bold to kill a likeable character... but, plot armor I guess.

And

2) when both Arondir and Theo have the wrapped up not-sword key, both having previously held it before - couldn't tell the weight of it was different? Ok Theo seems a little dumb but Arondir wouldn't let that slip.

I think that Adar (proto-orc) told Waldren (Sauron-cultst) to take the blade and activate the dam; he did tell Waldren 'I have an important task for you...' before the Numenorians arrived. The switch was made off screen after Arondir (Handsome & Successful Elf) had hidden the blade. Adar just turned himself into a decoy to keep the focus on him, rather than who actually had the blade.


Oh most def - and it was brilliant and so subtle that by the time they captured Adar I forgot all about the little "I have a task for you"

But I mean after - when Arondir is holding the wrapped up package that they all believe is the weapon... I guess in all fairness after you just slaughtered 100 or a and almost died several times the feel of that sword key is not going to be a priority.
 
2022-10-01 1:05:09 AM  
I like this show more than House of Dragon because it has things like green, blue, yellow, and red. And sunlight. shiat, sunlight is a plot point!  How crazy is it to have a world with color and sunlight?
 
2022-10-01 1:06:34 AM  
When the hell did Waldren get the sword??
 
2022-10-01 1:09:05 AM  

Corn_Fed: When the hell did Waldren get the sword??


When Adar sees the Numenorians beating down and the battle being lost he tells him "I have a task for you" and then the scene cuts to something else...

It's handed to him from Adar off screen, is my guess but they did mention he gets it. Very subtlety done.
 
2022-10-01 1:11:58 AM  

The_EliteOne: Corn_Fed: When the hell did Waldren get the sword??

When Adar sees the Numenorians beating down and the battle being lost he tells him "I have a task for you" and then the scene cuts to something else...

It's handed to him from Adar off screen, is my guess but they did mention he gets it. Very subtlety done.


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2022-10-01 2:10:36 AM  
Alright, that was cool, and it made that weird trench they were digging make sense, but like...why not just use a lever to open the floodgate? why does it need a really fancy disguised key?

But yeah, I'm eager to see where the rest of this goes, as well as the next 4 seasons they apparently have planned.
 
2022-10-01 2:16:01 AM  
Orcs are just looking for a home!

This show is great.
 
2022-10-01 2:57:35 AM  

SirSigsegV: Alright, that was cool, and it made that weird trench they were digging make sense, but like...why not just use a lever to open the floodgate? why does it need a really fancy disguised key?

But yeah, I'm eager to see where the rest of this goes, as well as the next 4 seasons they apparently have planned.


You would never make a good evil underlords.
 
2022-10-01 3:04:13 AM  

SirSigsegV: Alright, that was cool, and it made that weird trench they were digging make sense, but like...why not just use a lever to open the floodgate? why does it need a really fancy disguised key?

But yeah, I'm eager to see where the rest of this goes, as well as the next 4 seasons they apparently have planned.


Because whomever (evil) originally built the reservoir lock was releasing water only after a human sacrifice.

The evil looking stone relief shows it. The sword goes throught the person and into the lock.
 
2022-10-01 3:38:30 AM  

Captain Shaky: SirSigsegV: Alright, that was cool, and it made that weird trench they were digging make sense, but like...why not just use a lever to open the floodgate? why does it need a really fancy disguised key?

But yeah, I'm eager to see where the rest of this goes, as well as the next 4 seasons they apparently have planned.

Because whomever (evil) originally built the reservoir lock was releasing water only after a human sacrifice.

The evil looking stone relief shows it. The sword goes throught the person and into the lock.


Ohhh, that makes...slightly more sense. Seems like it'd be hard to turn the key/sword while it's passing through a torso, though. Maybe you have someone grab each arm and leg and turn the whole sacrifice? Still seems overly convoluted to me.
 
2022-10-01 4:51:28 AM  

Captain Shaky: SirSigsegV: Alright, that was cool, and it made that weird trench they were digging make sense, but like...why not just use a lever to open the floodgate? why does it need a really fancy disguised key?

But yeah, I'm eager to see where the rest of this goes, as well as the next 4 seasons they apparently have planned.

Because whomever (evil) originally built the reservoir lock was releasing water only after a human sacrifice.

The evil looking stone relief shows it. The sword goes throught the person and into the lock.


You're overthinking it

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuleOfCool
 
2022-10-01 6:40:05 AM  

SirSigsegV: Alright, that was cool, and it made that weird trench they were digging make sense, but like...why not just use a lever to open the floodgate? why does it need a really fancy disguised key?


So that Ovor the orc janitor does not break the dam before the tunnels are finished by hanging his bucket on the lever?
 
2022-10-01 8:33:22 AM  
So maybe the King of the Southlands, who's pretty good at smithing, is actually Sauron.  It would just be way too obvious for the Stranger to turn out to be him.  I'm guessing that guy's a Blue Wizard since there's so much wiggle room for lore about them.  Just don't make the Stranger Gandalf.  The lore's pretty specific about him showing up much later.
 
2022-10-01 8:46:25 AM  

NeoCortex42: So maybe the King of the Southlands, who's pretty good at smithing, is actually Sauron.  It would just be way too obvious for the Stranger to turn out to be him.  I'm guessing that guy's a Blue Wizard since there's so much wiggle room for lore about them.  Just don't make the Stranger Gandalf.  The lore's pretty specific about him showing up much later.


Meteor Man is Sauron. Halbrand is the King who was cursed by Isildur for breaking his oath.
 
2022-10-01 8:56:58 AM  

Clash City Farker: NeoCortex42: So maybe the King of the Southlands, who's pretty good at smithing, is actually Sauron.  It would just be way too obvious for the Stranger to turn out to be him.  I'm guessing that guy's a Blue Wizard since there's so much wiggle room for lore about them.  Just don't make the Stranger Gandalf.  The lore's pretty specific about him showing up much later.

Meteor Man is Sauron. Halbrand is the King who was cursed by Isildur for breaking his oath.


Probably.  That's definitely the obvious direction to go.  The question is whether the show will attempt a twist or just play out straight-forward like that.
 
2022-10-01 9:15:40 AM  
I thought it was a fantastic episode. As soon as I saw that Adar's blood was black I was all "wha...?" The explanation of Morgoth corrupting Elves into the first Orcs was handled incredibly well.

NeoCortex42: It would just be way too obvious for the Stranger to turn out to be him.  I'm guessing that guy's a Blue Wizard since there's so much wiggle room for lore about them.


Valinor and Middle-earth are right across the ocean from each other. Allatar or Pallando wouldn't have to make such a cosmically dramatic entrance if they were sent to the mortal lands... they'd just hop on a boat and take a little cruise.

Plus the meteor was a portent in Miriel's dreams. There's no reason why the arrival of an Istari would be such a bad sign for Numenor.

Clash City Farker: NeoCortex42: So maybe the King of the Southlands, who's pretty good at smithing, is actually Sauron.  It would just be way too obvious for the Stranger to turn out to be him.  I'm guessing that guy's a Blue Wizard since there's so much wiggle room for lore about them.  Just don't make the Stranger Gandalf.  The lore's pretty specific about him showing up much later.

Meteor Man is Sauron. Halbrand is the King who was cursed by Isildur for breaking his oath.


That's a pretty cool option, actually. Or Halbrand becomes the Witch-King... my money was initially on Pharazon, but now I think it could go either way.

Adar has proven himself to be a pretty vile monster of a character, but he hasn't really been telling lies. There was no real reason for him to make up a story about "killing" Sauron to Galadriel. He probably believes he did. And Sauron's spirit returned back in a new body, with all of his muscle memory essentially being "rebooted" and having to relearn language and a lot of other skills.
 
2022-10-01 9:17:35 AM  
Holy shiat, they haven't cancelled this yet?
 
2022-10-01 9:26:30 AM  

clkeagle: Adar has proven himself to be a pretty vile monster of a character, but he hasn't really been telling lies. There was no real reason for him to make up a story about "killing" Sauron to Galadriel. He probably believes he did. And Sauron's spirit returned back in a new body, with all of his muscle memory essentially being "rebooted" and having to relearn language and a lot of other skills.


I could see the "Do you remember me?" being a form of "you thought you killed me, but I'm back" if they decide to go with Halbrand being Sauron. One of Sauron's skills was ingratiating himself to the elves and tagging along with Galadriel certainly would show that.

I won't be disappointed if he becomes the cursed king or a ringwraith, though. Still plenty of ways for it to go that could be satisfying.
 
2022-10-01 9:55:43 AM  
Sauron is said to be very fair looking (Elvish) during this time period. That was one of the ways in which he was able to deceive all the races with the rings of power. The only character that somewhat fits that description was that weird white wizard looking guy inspecting the meteor crash site.   However, my money is on not having seen him at all thus far.
 
2022-10-01 10:04:26 AM  
I'd venture to guess that meteor man  isn't a Blue wizard because there were two. It'd be a bold choice to go with a beloved character like Gandalf - but the Grey wizard isn't actually all that powerful. I'm going with the first iteration of Saruman the White.
 
2022-10-01 10:11:54 AM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: "Orc" is not the preferred nomenclature.


Go Uruk, go broke!
 
2022-10-01 10:21:04 AM  

WhippingBoi: Holy shiat, they haven't cancelled this yet?


It needs to get more popular first. Netflix likes their abrupt cancellations to really mean something.
 
2022-10-01 10:24:28 AM  

EdgeRunner: WhippingBoi: Holy shiat, they haven't cancelled this yet?

It needs to get more popular first. Netflix likes their abrupt cancellations to really mean something.


It's on Prime.  And I'm pretty sure they're committed to doing five years.  It's not like Amazon can't afford to sink the money into it.
 
2022-10-01 10:29:57 AM  
I've only skimmed the first episode of this, but I do want to mention that AMC's Interview with a Vampire got off to a good start.
 
2022-10-01 10:37:31 AM  

NeoCortex42: EdgeRunner: WhippingBoi: Holy shiat, they haven't cancelled this yet?

It needs to get more popular first. Netflix likes their abrupt cancellations to really mean something.

It's on Prime.  And I'm pretty sure they're committed to doing five years.  It's not like Amazon can't afford to sink the money into it.


Prime, eh?

The Good: The series is likely to finish iats full intended run, and the so-called purists can suck it.

The Bad: Extreme violence isn't off the table, but the chances of seeing pointy elf boobies are considerably less than if this was on Netflix or HBO Max.
 
2022-10-01 11:03:51 AM  

WhippingBoi: Holy shiat, they haven't cancelled this yet?


Why would they ?
 
2022-10-01 11:05:35 AM  

NeoCortex42: clkeagle: Adar has proven himself to be a pretty vile monster of a character, but he hasn't really been telling lies. There was no real reason for him to make up a story about "killing" Sauron to Galadriel. He probably believes he did. And Sauron's spirit returned back in a new body, with all of his muscle memory essentially being "rebooted" and having to relearn language and a lot of other skills.

I could see the "Do you remember me?" being a form of "you thought you killed me, but I'm back" if they decide to go with Halbrand being Sauron. One of Sauron's skills was ingratiating himself to the elves and tagging along with Galadriel certainly would show that.

I won't be disappointed if he becomes the cursed king or a ringwraith, though. Still plenty of ways for it to go that could be satisfying.


It's hard to say.

I like everything about this Galadriel character except her name. I really wish they had made her Celebrian instead, especially since they're already set up for a lot of interaction between her and Elrond.

It wasn't specified in the books that I recall, but I assume Galadriel would have been relatively immune to Annatar's charms (like Gil-galad and Cirdan were). Celebrimbor had just enough of Feanor's pride-for-his-works traits to be won over.

The other reason I don't think Sauron is Halbrand is that Halbrand had some success winning over Miriel, but Pharazon didn't want anything to do with him. It would have made more sense for Pharazon to immediately think "ooh, I can use this man for my own ambitions" while being used as Sauron's pawn.

Crankpot: Sauron is said to be very fair looking (Elvish) during this time period. That was one of the ways in which he was able to deceive all the races with the rings of power. The only character that somewhat fits that description was that weird white wizard looking guy inspecting the meteor crash site.   However, my money is on not having seen him at all thus far.


He was described as "fair," but I don't specifically remember him being described as Elvish (unless I'm missing a reference, which I certainly could be). It was very rare, but Tolkien did use the word "fair" once or twice to describe men (Prince Imrahil and his ancestors in particular).
 
2022-10-01 11:05:46 AM  

NeoCortex42: So maybe the King of the Southlands, who's pretty good at smithing, is actually Sauron.  It would just be way too obvious for the Stranger to turn out to be him.  I'm guessing that guy's a Blue Wizard since there's so much wiggle room for lore about them.  Just don't make the Stranger Gandalf.  The lore's pretty specific about him showing up much later.


I will be disappointed if the stranger is anyone other than Saruman.  I think that reveal will be the big shocker at the end of the season.   Sauron will somehow wake him from his stupor, and then spend the next 4000 years reeling him in.

Or something.

/ Anyway, it's Saruman.
 
2022-10-01 11:07:26 AM  

clkeagle: I thought it was a fantastic episode. As soon as I saw that Adar's blood was black I was all "wha...?" The explanation of Morgoth corrupting Elves into the first Orcs was handled incredibly well.


Uruk is the preferred nomenclature, dude.
 
2022-10-01 11:09:59 AM  
 
2022-10-01 11:13:44 AM  
Worst hatefiction ever.
One rope supports a whole farking tower?
Leave a perfectly defensible fortress for a thatch-built hamlet.
Guyladriel should not have survived a Pompeian-style pyroclastic explosion like that (roast duck, anyone?). She just stands there?!
Still Trash! The Rings of Power Review Episode 6 Rings of Power Reaction | Woke Rings of Power
Youtube OyJWOlYlQAs
 
2022-10-01 11:28:56 AM  
I'm enjoying it. It's nice to have a high fantasy show than a grim gritty reason.

Case I got that need filled with HoD
 
2022-10-01 11:42:17 AM  
Love it. Guys the slow burn of the earlier episodes is paying off now. All that world-building /character -building was necessary to set the stage for the events to come. Guys stop being such entitled consumers of this product. This instant gratification need hurts story-telling and the use of story dynamics to build tension/risk/care in the audience. 
I love how flawed Galadriel is. And driven. Same with Adar. His scene with her was great.
 
2022-10-01 12:05:33 PM  
I want the producers of this show to produce some prequels to Star Wars.   Maybe they could do the Anakin Skywalker fall into darkness, and the birth of Darth Vader.

That would be cool, and this kind of storytelling is exactly how I would want it to be done.
 
2022-10-01 12:06:26 PM  

RoLleRKoaSTeR: Worst hatefiction ever.
One rope supports a whole farking tower?
Leave a perfectly defensible fortress for a thatch-built hamlet.
Guyladriel should not have survived a Pompeian-style pyroclastic explosion like that (roast duck, anyone?). She just stands there?!
[YouTube video: Still Trashia the Rings of Power Review Episode 6 Rings of Power Reaction | Woke Rings of Power]


Dude, you link to video review that has "woke" in the title.

You instantly lost all credibility.
 
2022-10-01 12:16:13 PM  

clkeagle: NeoCortex42: clkeagle: Adar has proven himself to be a pretty vile monster of a character, but he hasn't really been telling lies. There was no real reason for him to make up a story about "killing" Sauron to Galadriel. He probably believes he did. And Sauron's spirit returned back in a new body, with all of his muscle memory essentially being "rebooted" and having to relearn language and a lot of other skills.

I could see the "Do you remember me?" being a form of "you thought you killed me, but I'm back" if they decide to go with Halbrand being Sauron. One of Sauron's skills was ingratiating himself to the elves and tagging along with Galadriel certainly would show that.

I won't be disappointed if he becomes the cursed king or a ringwraith, though. Still plenty of ways for it to go that could be satisfying.

It's hard to say.

I like everything about this Galadriel character except her name. I really wish they had made her Celebrian instead, especially since they're already set up for a lot of interaction between her and Elrond.

It wasn't specified in the books that I recall, but I assume Galadriel would have been relatively immune to Annatar's charms (like Gil-galad and Cirdan were). Celebrimbor had just enough of Feanor's pride-for-his-works traits to be won over.

The other reason I don't think Sauron is Halbrand is that Halbrand had some success winning over Miriel, but Pharazon didn't want anything to do with him. It would have made more sense for Pharazon to immediately think "ooh, I can use this man for my own ambitions" while being used as Sauron's pawn.

Crankpot: Sauron is said to be very fair looking (Elvish) during this time period. That was one of the ways in which he was able to deceive all the races with the rings of power. The only character that somewhat fits that description was that weird white wizard looking guy inspecting the meteor crash site.   However, my money is on not having seen him at all thus far.

He was described as "fair," but I don't specifically remember him being described as Elvish (unless I'm missing a reference, which I certainly could be). It was very rare, but Tolkien did use the word "fair" once or twice to describe men (Prince Imrahil and his ancestors in particular).


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2022-10-01 12:31:50 PM  

Crankpot: clkeagle: NeoCortex42: clkeagle: Adar has proven himself to be a pretty vile monster of a character, but he hasn't really been telling lies. There was no real reason for him to make up a story about "killing" Sauron to Galadriel. He probably believes he did. And Sauron's spirit returned back in a new body, with all of his muscle memory essentially being "rebooted" and having to relearn language and a lot of other skills.

I could see the "Do you remember me?" being a form of "you thought you killed me, but I'm back" if they decide to go with Halbrand being Sauron. One of Sauron's skills was ingratiating himself to the elves and tagging along with Galadriel certainly would show that.

I won't be disappointed if he becomes the cursed king or a ringwraith, though. Still plenty of ways for it to go that could be satisfying.

It's hard to say.

I like everything about this Galadriel character except her name. I really wish they had made her Celebrian instead, especially since they're already set up for a lot of interaction between her and Elrond.

It wasn't specified in the books that I recall, but I assume Galadriel would have been relatively immune to Annatar's charms (like Gil-galad and Cirdan were). Celebrimbor had just enough of Feanor's pride-for-his-works traits to be won over.

The other reason I don't think Sauron is Halbrand is that Halbrand had some success winning over Miriel, but Pharazon didn't want anything to do with him. It would have made more sense for Pharazon to immediately think "ooh, I can use this man for my own ambitions" while being used as Sauron's pawn.

Crankpot: Sauron is said to be very fair looking (Elvish) during this time period. That was one of the ways in which he was able to deceive all the races with the rings of power. The only character that somewhat fits that description was that weird white wizard looking guy inspecting the meteor crash site.   However, my money is on not having seen him at all thus far.

He was described as "fai ...


Sadly, they cant use any of that in the show right?.

The Internet is scrubbed pretty hard about Meteor Man's true identity, but this link is still out there.

https://www.justjared.com/2022/08/30/daniel-weyman-opens-up-about-his-very-important-character-the-stranger-in-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power/
 
2022-10-01 12:55:08 PM  

Clash City Farker: NeoCortex42: So maybe the King of the Southlands, who's pretty good at smithing, is actually Sauron.  It would just be way too obvious for the Stranger to turn out to be him.  I'm guessing that guy's a Blue Wizard since there's so much wiggle room for lore about them.  Just don't make the Stranger Gandalf.  The lore's pretty specific about him showing up much later.

Meteor Man is Sauron. Halbrand is the King who was cursed by Isildur for breaking his oath.


Exactly what I've been saying the whole time.
 
2022-10-01 12:57:14 PM  

Vulpecula: Clash City Farker: NeoCortex42: So maybe the King of the Southlands, who's pretty good at smithing, is actually Sauron.  It would just be way too obvious for the Stranger to turn out to be him.  I'm guessing that guy's a Blue Wizard since there's so much wiggle room for lore about them.  Just don't make the Stranger Gandalf.  The lore's pretty specific about him showing up much later.

Meteor Man is Sauron. Halbrand is the King who was cursed by Isildur for breaking his oath.

Exactly what I've been saying the whole time.


So....   Halbrand?

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/ Hmmmm.....
 
2022-10-01 1:28:59 PM  

Clash City Farker: Crankpot: clkeagle: NeoCortex42: clkeagle: Adar has proven himself to be a pretty vile monster of a character, but he hasn't really been telling lies. There was no real reason for him to make up a story about "killing" Sauron to Galadriel. He probably believes he did. And Sauron's spirit returned back in a new body, with all of his muscle memory essentially being "rebooted" and having to relearn language and a lot of other skills.

I could see the "Do you remember me?" being a form of "you thought you killed me, but I'm back" if they decide to go with Halbrand being Sauron. One of Sauron's skills was ingratiating himself to the elves and tagging along with Galadriel certainly would show that.

I won't be disappointed if he becomes the cursed king or a ringwraith, though. Still plenty of ways for it to go that could be satisfying.

It's hard to say.

I like everything about this Galadriel character except her name. I really wish they had made her Celebrian instead, especially since they're already set up for a lot of interaction between her and Elrond.

It wasn't specified in the books that I recall, but I assume Galadriel would have been relatively immune to Annatar's charms (like Gil-galad and Cirdan were). Celebrimbor had just enough of Feanor's pride-for-his-works traits to be won over.

The other reason I don't think Sauron is Halbrand is that Halbrand had some success winning over Miriel, but Pharazon didn't want anything to do with him. It would have made more sense for Pharazon to immediately think "ooh, I can use this man for my own ambitions" while being used as Sauron's pawn.

Crankpot: Sauron is said to be very fair looking (Elvish) during this time period. That was one of the ways in which he was able to deceive all the races with the rings of power. The only character that somewhat fits that description was that weird white wizard looking guy inspecting the meteor crash site.   However, my money is on not having seen him at all thus far.

He was described as "fai ...

Sadly, they cant use any of that in the show right?.

The Internet is scrubbed pretty hard about Meteor Man's true identity, but this link is still out there.

https://www.justjared.com/2022/08/30/daniel-weyman-opens-up-about-his-very-important-character-the-stranger-in-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power/


Should've cited - the second screen grab was from Unfinished Tales which might be fair game? I heard they were restricted to the appendices
 
2022-10-01 2:35:04 PM  
It's pretty clear that meteor guy is Sauron. One is his size. Look at Sauron in the opening to the Fellowship of the Ring movie. He's like 9 feet tall. They made him big in the show to mesh with his look at the start of the films.

It also wouldn't make sense to give us wizards now. They didn't get there until later and if it was one of the wizards why would he show up huge then shrink himself? Gandalf showed up looking like an old man.

The real interesting question about the show is how they're going to handle giving out the rings. And which of the Numenoreans end up as right wriaithes.  Because Tolien never specified, just that 3 were given to numenorean lords and one to an Easterling king.
 
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