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2022-09-30 10:51:47 AM  
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2022-09-30 11:29:33 AM  
I honestly think some sanctions should be extended to countries trading with Russian and countries with zero sanctions against Russia.  Countries like Serbia, Mexico and Brazil.

Perhaps not harsh sanctions but something that is felt and sends a message.
 
2022-09-30 11:36:53 AM  

mrshowrules: I honestly think some sanctions should be extended to countries trading with Russian and countries with zero sanctions against Russia.  Countries like Serbia, Mexico and Brazil.

Perhaps not harsh sanctions but something that is felt and sends a message.


Mexico's surprising, but I'm sure we're leaning on them behind closed doors. I wonder what Russia's trading with them to avoid caving.
 
2022-09-30 11:44:51 AM  
There was still stuff left to sanction?


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2022-09-30 11:53:51 AM  
Did Russian banks ever end up getting kicked off of the SWIFT network?
 
2022-09-30 12:07:02 PM  

mrshowrules: I honestly think some sanctions should be extended to countries trading with Russian and countries with zero sanctions against Russia.  Countries like Serbia, Mexico and Brazil.

Perhaps not harsh sanctions but something that is felt and sends a message.


I think we need to rescind visas and kick Russians out of western countries and back to Russia. Rather than let them hide they need to go topple their government.
 
2022-09-30 12:10:01 PM  
Let the "Biden's so senile he doesn't even know what day it is" conserva-snarking begin!
 
2022-09-30 12:11:36 PM  
Sep. 23.
 
2022-09-30 12:11:50 PM  
'phony claims'

uggh, I wish they used a different phrase than that.  They used fraudulent earlier, they could have stuck with that.  I feel like I could go a life time without hearing the term 'phony' again.
 
2022-09-30 12:14:10 PM  

Original: There was still stuff left to sanction?


New strawmen/women to funnel Russian oligarch money through the West, subby.
 
2022-09-30 12:15:38 PM  

MrSplifferton: 'phony claims'

uggh, I wish they used a different phrase than that.  They used fraudulent earlier, they could have stuck with that.  I feel like I could go a life time without hearing the term 'phony' again.


Donald Trump - What it would have been like having Holden Caulfield as POTUS?
 
2022-09-30 12:17:27 PM  

MrSplifferton: 'phony claims'

uggh, I wish they used a different phrase than that.  They used fraudulent earlier, they could have stuck with that.  I feel like I could go a life time without hearing the term 'phony' again.


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2022-09-30 12:17:38 PM  
At this point, it's only a matter of time before people start attacking conscription officers and police en masse and then we're at open revolution.
 
2022-09-30 12:21:45 PM  

Bootleg: mrshowrules: I honestly think some sanctions should be extended to countries trading with Russian and countries with zero sanctions against Russia.  Countries like Serbia, Mexico and Brazil.

Perhaps not harsh sanctions but something that is felt and sends a message.

Mexico's surprising, but I'm sure we're leaning on them behind closed doors. I wonder what Russia's trading with them to avoid caving.


Top Mexican exports: Cars ($41.6B), Computers ($31.5B), Motor vehicles; parts and accessories (8701 to 8705) ($27.1B), Delivery Trucks ($23.8B), and Crude Petroleum ($17.8B),

So maybe the top 5 but maybe also a premium vacation destination.   The Mayan Riviera is absolutely spectacular.
 
2022-09-30 12:25:04 PM  

HerptheDerp: At this point, it's only a matter of time before people start attacking conscription officers and police en masse and then we're at open revolution.


They already started on the conscription officers: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/we-arent-going-war-draft-officer-shot-amid-russian-anger-over-conscription
 
2022-09-30 12:27:06 PM  

Bootleg: mrshowrules: I honestly think some sanctions should be extended to countries trading with Russian and countries with zero sanctions against Russia.  Countries like Serbia, Mexico and Brazil.

Perhaps not harsh sanctions but something that is felt and sends a message.

Mexico's surprising, but I'm sure we're leaning on them behind closed doors. I wonder what Russia's trading with them to avoid caving.


The Biden administration is leaning on the cartels?  That's who runs mexico.
 
2022-09-30 12:27:50 PM  

ace in your face: mrshowrules: I honestly think some sanctions should be extended to countries trading with Russian and countries with zero sanctions against Russia.  Countries like Serbia, Mexico and Brazil.

Perhaps not harsh sanctions but something that is felt and sends a message.

I think we need to rescind visas and kick Russians out of western countries and back to Russia. Rather than let them hide they need to go topple their government.


Also we can't take the chance they are here to sabotage the west.
 
2022-09-30 12:29:10 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Did Russian banks ever end up getting kicked off of the SWIFT network?


I think so. A coworker was upset that he couldn't send money to his "Russian girlfriend" and his bank closed his accounts.
 
2022-09-30 12:33:49 PM  
Given the annexation... I want even more sanctions... absolutely lock those f'ers out of everything.
 
2022-09-30 12:34:58 PM  
There's still plenty to sanction

We should cast a wide net on everything Russian.
 
2022-09-30 12:35:41 PM  

Bootleg: mrshowrules: I honestly think some sanctions should be extended to countries trading with Russian and countries with zero sanctions against Russia.  Countries like Serbia, Mexico and Brazil.

Perhaps not harsh sanctions but something that is felt and sends a message.

Mexico's surprising, but I'm sure we're leaning on them behind closed doors. I wonder what Russia's trading with them to avoid caving.


Mexico's not in a place where it can afford to turn away any trade regardless of where it comes from, so it's not really that surprising.
 
2022-09-30 12:38:36 PM  

kittyhas1000legs: fragMasterFlash: Did Russian banks ever end up getting kicked off of the SWIFT network?

I think so. A coworker was upset that he couldn't send money to his "Russian girlfriend" and his bank closed his accounts.


"In March, the US and the EU cut off seven Russian banks from SWIFT. They included state-controlled VTB, Bank Rossiya and Bank Otkritie. Russia's biggest bank, Sberbank PJSC, was allowed to stay on SWIFT, as was Gazprombank JSC, a key bank for Russia's energy conglomerates. On June 3, the EU added three more banks including Sberbank, which has twice as many assets as any other bank in Russia."

Source Why SWIFT Ban Is Such a Potent Sanction on Russia - The Washington Post
 
2022-09-30 12:42:19 PM  
Whether or not there's anything left to sanction, it puts the US in the position to oppose the phony annexation 'request' by the captured territory. Donnie must be fuming because he did exactly the opposite during the last land grab.
 
2022-09-30 12:47:47 PM  
Sure, butt stuff!
 
2022-09-30 12:53:06 PM  

Jojo_TheDogFacedBoy: kittyhas1000legs: fragMasterFlash: Did Russian banks ever end up getting kicked off of the SWIFT network?

I think so. A coworker was upset that he couldn't send money to his "Russian girlfriend" and his bank closed his accounts.

"In March, the US and the EU cut off seven Russian banks from SWIFT. They included state-controlled VTB, Bank Rossiya and Bank Otkritie. Russia's biggest bank, Sberbank PJSC, was allowed to stay on SWIFT, as was Gazprombank JSC, a key bank for Russia's energy conglomerates. On June 3, the EU added three more banks including Sberbank, which has twice as many assets as any other bank in Russia."

Source Why SWIFT Ban Is Such a Potent Sanction on Russia - The Washington Post


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2022-09-30 12:55:26 PM  

mrshowrules: I honestly think some sanctions should be extended to countries trading with Russian and countries with zero sanctions against Russia.  Countries like Serbia, Mexico and Brazil.

Perhaps not harsh sanctions but something that is felt and sends a message.


Expelling back to mother Russia any Russian citizen currently in a NATO country perhaps?

"It's hard to keep them down on the farm once they have seen Paree".
 
2022-09-30 1:04:18 PM  
Costs to providing support for the Russian annexation claim, inside and outside of Russia?

Oh, please be secondary sanctions on people who receive payment from Russia in the States.

I would love to shake that tree and see who falls out.
 
2022-09-30 1:06:03 PM  
I mean if you use all of your sanctions right away the enemy has nothing to lose, and you don't have any bargaining chips left do you subby
 
2022-09-30 1:12:47 PM  

ace in your face: .

I think we need to rescind visas and kick Russians out of western countries and back to Russia. Rather than let them hide they need to go topple their government.


they said the same thing about Syrian refugees  "tHeY sHuD fIx tHeRe oWn cOuNtRy".

Maybe we could keep them here, but maybe interned somewhere where they won't be a danger to themselves.  make it an adventure, like camping.

Maybe other countries should kick out Americans because we haven't done enough to fix *our* country.

fark is a cesspool, that's for certain but 11+ people smarting that statement is one of the most appalling things ive read in some time.
 
2022-09-30 1:16:46 PM  
Sorry, Joe. I am NOT giving up my Russian dashcam videos.
 
2022-09-30 1:19:08 PM  
Putin is pot committed at this point. He will not give up until he is "removed", which will likely start a civil war.
 
2022-09-30 1:32:05 PM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: ace in your face: .

I think we need to rescind visas and kick Russians out of western countries and back to Russia. Rather than let them hide they need to go topple their government.

they said the same thing about Syrian refugees  "tHeY sHuD fIx tHeRe oWn cOuNtRy".

Maybe we could keep them here, but maybe interned somewhere where they won't be a danger to themselves.  make it an adventure, like camping.

Maybe other countries should kick out Americans because we haven't done enough to fix *our* country.

fark is a cesspool, that's for certain but 11+ people smarting that statement is one of the most appalling things ive read in some time.


All countries should kick out foreign nationals.  "But what about the diplomats!OMG!". The diplomats can use encrypted text messages or zoom. Why do they have to actually touch each other?  Is the sensual touch of one diplomat upon another really what gets things done?

"But tourism!".  Same thing.  Use a VR headset.  Having people travel the world for fun expends carbon resources.  The people should stay home and grind resources for the elites.

"But commerce!". You got me there.  Have ports and airports be neutral zones.  But the crews stay on board.  The cargo bay doors are opened up and goods are take off or loaded on.  Ideally by robots.  So that nationals of one nation don't mix with others.

"But what about genetic diversity".  Ship frozen sperm around.  Have the chosen out breeders turkey baster the jizz into the baby maker.
 
2022-09-30 1:46:45 PM  
AmbassadorBooze: ...All countries should kick out foreign nationals.  "But what about the diplomats!OMG!". The diplomats can use encrypted text messages or zoom. Why do they have to actually touch each other?  Is the sensual touch of one diplomat upon another really what gets things done?

"But tourism!".  Same thing.  Use a VR headset.  Having people travel the world for fun expends carbon resources.  The people should stay home and grind resources for the elites.

"But commerce!". You got me there.  Have ports and airports be neutral zones.  But the crews stay on board.  The cargo bay doors are opened up and goods are take off or loaded on.  Ideally by robots.  So that nationals of one nation don't mix with others.

"But what about genetic diversity".  Ship frozen sperm around.  Have the chosen out breeders turkey baster the jizz into the baby maker.


And furthermore,
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2022-09-30 1:48:33 PM  

Murkanen: Bootleg: mrshowrules: I honestly think some sanctions should be extended to countries trading with Russian and countries with zero sanctions against Russia.  Countries like Serbia, Mexico and Brazil.

Perhaps not harsh sanctions but something that is felt and sends a message.

Mexico's surprising, but I'm sure we're leaning on them behind closed doors. I wonder what Russia's trading with them to avoid caving.

Mexico's not in a place where it can afford to turn away any trade regardless of where it comes from, so it's not really that surprising.


Use a carrot and stick approach.  Get Mexico to sanction Russia and in return (unofficially perhaps) introduce trade incentives (dropping of some tariffs) to US, Canada and Europe.  Seek approval of the latter before pushing for the former.  This is precisely the type of diplomacy Biden is very good at.
 
2022-09-30 1:50:10 PM  

kpaxoid: mrshowrules: I honestly think some sanctions should be extended to countries trading with Russian and countries with zero sanctions against Russia.  Countries like Serbia, Mexico and Brazil.

Perhaps not harsh sanctions but something that is felt and sends a message.

Expelling back to mother Russia any Russian citizen currently in a NATO country perhaps?

"It's hard to keep them down on the farm once they have seen Paree".


Maybe.  Also, maybe grandfather Russians who left before the Ukrainian invasion.
 
2022-09-30 1:59:13 PM  

mrshowrules: I honestly think some sanctions should be extended to countries trading with Russian and countries with zero sanctions against Russia.  Countries like Serbia, Mexico and Brazil.

Perhaps not harsh sanctions but something that is felt and sends a message.


We'd just look like bullies and it wouldn't go over well.

Russia's biggest trade partners are India and China.  We will not sanction either of those countries for obvious reasons, so if we start picking on those smaller countries we'd look bad and push those countries further into the sphere of influence of Russia.

It would totally not be worth the blowback as it wouldn't impact Russia all that much if they did stop trading with them as India and China contribute multitudes more than all those countries combined.

So the cost if sanctioning those countries isn't worth the benefit we'd get if it did force them to stop.
 
2022-09-30 2:18:09 PM  

dkulprit: mrshowrules: I honestly think some sanctions should be extended to countries trading with Russian and countries with zero sanctions against Russia.  Countries like Serbia, Mexico and Brazil.

Perhaps not harsh sanctions but something that is felt and sends a message.

We'd just look like bullies and it wouldn't go over well.

Russia's biggest trade partners are India and China.  We will not sanction either of those countries for obvious reasons, so if we start picking on those smaller countries we'd look bad and push those countries further into the sphere of influence of Russia.

It would totally not be worth the blowback as it wouldn't impact Russia all that much if they did stop trading with them as India and China contribute multitudes more than all those countries combined.

So the cost if sanctioning those countries isn't worth the benefit we'd get if it did force them to stop.


Probably true but easier to say that when Ukraine seems like they are doing well in the ware.  What if Russian was making gains and murdering Ukrainians at greater rates.

I don't like the idea of picking on Mexico either but if they are supporting Russia economically - you can't exactly ignore that either.
 
2022-09-30 2:25:07 PM  

Bootleg: mrshowrules: I honestly think some sanctions should be extended to countries trading with Russian and countries with zero sanctions against Russia.  Countries like Serbia, Mexico and Brazil.

Perhaps not harsh sanctions but something that is felt and sends a message.

Mexico's surprising, but I'm sure we're leaning on them behind closed doors. I wonder what Russia's trading with them to avoid caving.


I actually doubt we are leaning on Mexico.  All the countries trade with Russia pale in comparison to what India and Russia trade.  So overall it just isn't worth it.

There is a lot of talk about the impending food shortage, but the number 1 talking point is the Ukranian wheat shortage, but that's not what is/will cause the food shortage.  Russia is by far the largest exporter of nitrogen based and other types of fertilizer and it is one of the items that is in the top 5 things Mexico imports from Russia.

There is a global fertilizer shortage due to russia's bullshiat war and the sanctions, agriculture is gonna take a huge hit.  That is the heart of the impending food shortage.

Who is the largest exporter of agriculture products for human consumption to the United States?

Mexico.

2/3rds of our fruit is imported from 125 countries.

1/3rd of our vegetables are imported from those same 125 countries.

Mexico makes up 77% of our imported fruits and vegetables.

We'd have a major shortage of fresh produce in this country.  And for what?

A tiny fraction of russia's trade compared to China and India?

The cost benefit isn't there.  Russia would barely feel the pain if we were to force mexico to stop trade through sanctioning mexico while the US would feel a ton of pain.

Just isn't worth it
 
2022-09-30 2:38:16 PM  

jst3p: Putin is pot committed at this point. He will not give up until he is "removed", which will likely start a civil war.


I strongly doubt this. The citizens of the Russian Federation are too well cowed and controlled.

Maybe there may be some physical conflict between factions at the top of the power structure but it won't descend to the masses.

I also doubt any Russian republic or other Federal Subject will use the opportunity to declare independence from the Federation. Putin has worked hard to strip them of power and the ability to organize.
 
2022-09-30 3:38:46 PM  

mrshowrules: dkulprit: mrshowrules: I honestly think some sanctions should be extended to countries trading with Russian and countries with zero sanctions against Russia.  Countries like Serbia, Mexico and Brazil.

Perhaps not harsh sanctions but something that is felt and sends a message.

We'd just look like bullies and it wouldn't go over well.

Russia's biggest trade partners are India and China.  We will not sanction either of those countries for obvious reasons, so if we start picking on those smaller countries we'd look bad and push those countries further into the sphere of influence of Russia.

It would totally not be worth the blowback as it wouldn't impact Russia all that much if they did stop trading with them as India and China contribute multitudes more than all those countries combined.

So the cost if sanctioning those countries isn't worth the benefit we'd get if it did force them to stop.

Probably true but easier to say that when Ukraine seems like they are doing well in the ware.  What if Russian was making gains and murdering Ukrainians at greater rates.

I don't like the idea of picking on Mexico either but if they are supporting Russia economically - you can't exactly ignore that either.


Nothing mexico is sending to Mexico is sending to Russia, be it money or goods is enough to help the war effort.

And even if Mexico were to halt all trade with Russia tomorrow it would not only barely be a blip on Russia's war effort, it can and will be easily picked up by China and India in both directions.

Unlike oil and it's derivatives that will cost Russia billions to redirect because they will have to build new refineries and pipelines to get petroleum products to China and India, the stuff traded with Mexico are all easily shipped product and they just have to redirect shipments to Mexico to China and India.

In fact the only thing forcing Mexico to stop trade with Russia would do is severely hurt the US food industry (we'd be farked on fresh produce) and strengthen China.   China knows that Russia doesn't have any other options so China would renegotiate sweetheart deals and they'd be getting stuff they need like fertilizer and metals at a fraction of the cost, increasing their GDP and securing food stock while the US would be reeling from food shortages.

Russia is earning around 156 million USD per month from trade with mexico.  Let's pretend 100% of those profits went into the government coffers instead of only a fraction as the majority of it goes to private companies and the Russian government only collects the taxes on it.

But let's ignore that and pretend all 156 million per month is going straight to the russian government instead of a tiny fraction of that.

That's 5.2 million USD per day the Russian government is earning.

Which is .57777777% of the estimated 900 million Russia is spending on the war PER DAY.

in reality the Russian government is only getting a fraction of that money in collecting taxes, so it would be more like .005% of the daily war expenditures.

Now if mexico was trading with them vital stuff for the war effort directly I'd agree with you.  Stuff like Proccessors, precision machining equipment, high quality metals, stuff to make rocket fuel, armor, etc.

But they're not sending dual purpose goods, they're sending consumer goods that will have no direct impact on the war effort, the overall trade is a fraction of a percentage of their daily war costs, and even if they were to lose it outright the war effort would not be impacted because it would be like the bank taking a fraction if a penny out of your bank account.

And even if they did lose the trade with mexico the products mexico produces are things that both China and India produce or could spin up in a matter of days to fill the gaps.

And the stuff they export to mexico would just be picked up by those same countries as they're goods that are currently a global shortage of and Russia would actually make more on as cost of shipping would be less.

While the impact to Mexican agriculture would be catastrophic, and by extension US food supply/security.

Just not worth it.

If stopping trade with mexico would have the impact on Moscow like cutting off oil imports did (about 1 billion USD per day) I'd say it would be worth it, but we're going into a global food shortage because of the lack of fertilizer, Ukranian wheat, and droughts....  so basically destroying the Mexican agriculture production would be globally catastrophic that would make the energy shortage in Europe going into winter look like child's play.

There are way bigger fish to fry that would actually have an impact.  As it stands right now forcing Mexico to stop trading with Russia would have a negligible impact on the war effort, if any at all, and would cause more global issues than it is worth.

It might prevent a single platoon in the Russian military from being able to be fully supplied per day or make a handful of russian platoons be slightly short on supplies per day.
 
2022-09-30 3:56:41 PM  

dkulprit: Bootleg: mrshowrules: I honestly think some sanctions should be extended to countries trading with Russian and countries with zero sanctions against Russia.  Countries like Serbia, Mexico and Brazil.

Perhaps not harsh sanctions but something that is felt and sends a message.

Mexico's surprising, but I'm sure we're leaning on them behind closed doors. I wonder what Russia's trading with them to avoid caving.

I actually doubt we are leaning on Mexico.  All the countries trade with Russia pale in comparison to what India and Russia trade.  So overall it just isn't worth it.

There is a lot of talk about the impending food shortage, but the number 1 talking point is the Ukranian wheat shortage, but that's not what is/will cause the food shortage.  Russia is by far the largest exporter of nitrogen based and other types of fertilizer and it is one of the items that is in the top 5 things Mexico imports from Russia.

There is a global fertilizer shortage due to russia's bullshiat war and the sanctions, agriculture is gonna take a huge hit.  That is the heart of the impending food shortage.

Who is the largest exporter of agriculture products for human consumption to the United States?

Mexico.

2/3rds of our fruit is imported from 125 countries.

1/3rd of our vegetables are imported from those same 125 countries.

Mexico makes up 77% of our imported fruits and vegetables.

We'd have a major shortage of fresh produce in this country.  And for what?

A tiny fraction of russia's trade compared to China and India?

The cost benefit isn't there.  Russia would barely feel the pain if we were to force mexico to stop trade through sanctioning mexico while the US would feel a ton of pain.

Just isn't worth it


The US is extremely food secure. The US is the world's largest food exporter, exporting twice as much food as any other country. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-american-food-giant-the-largest-exporter-of-food-in-the-world.html

This is why The United States has the cheapest food on the planet.
https://www.vox.com/2014/7/6/5874499/map-heres-how-much-every-country-spends-on-food
 
2022-09-30 4:10:14 PM  

CCNP: The US is extremely food secure. The US is the world's largest food exporter, exporting twice as much food as any other country. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-american-food-giant-the-largest-exporter-of-food-in-the-world.html


Nominally true but relative to population, Canada exports 4 times as much food as the US (exports per capita) which is surprising considering how f$cking cold it is here half the year.

Perhaps that makes us 4 times as food secure as the US.
 
2022-09-30 5:19:26 PM  

CCNP: dkulprit: Bootleg: mrshowrules: I honestly think some sanctions should be extended to countries trading with Russian and countries with zero sanctions against Russia.  Countries like Serbia, Mexico and Brazil.

Perhaps not harsh sanctions but something that is felt and sends a message.

Mexico's surprising, but I'm sure we're leaning on them behind closed doors. I wonder what Russia's trading with them to avoid caving.

I actually doubt we are leaning on Mexico.  All the countries trade with Russia pale in comparison to what India and Russia trade.  So overall it just isn't worth it.

There is a lot of talk about the impending food shortage, but the number 1 talking point is the Ukranian wheat shortage, but that's not what is/will cause the food shortage.  Russia is by far the largest exporter of nitrogen based and other types of fertilizer and it is one of the items that is in the top 5 things Mexico imports from Russia.

There is a global fertilizer shortage due to russia's bullshiat war and the sanctions, agriculture is gonna take a huge hit.  That is the heart of the impending food shortage.

Who is the largest exporter of agriculture products for human consumption to the United States?

Mexico.

2/3rds of our fruit is imported from 125 countries.

1/3rd of our vegetables are imported from those same 125 countries.

Mexico makes up 77% of our imported fruits and vegetables.

We'd have a major shortage of fresh produce in this country.  And for what?

A tiny fraction of russia's trade compared to China and India?

The cost benefit isn't there.  Russia would barely feel the pain if we were to force mexico to stop trade through sanctioning mexico while the US would feel a ton of pain.

Just isn't worth it

The US is extremely food secure. The US is the world's largest food exporter, exporting twice as much food as any other country. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-american-food-giant-the-largest-exporter-of-food-in-the-world.html

This is why The United States has the cheapest food on the planet.
https://www.vox.com/2014/7/6/5874499/map-heres-how-much-every-country-spends-on-food


Yes, we can be sustained by and wheat, corn, alfalfa, and soy beans.  That'll sure fulfill our dietary needs.

Only 27% of produce grown in the US is for human consumption.

Sure we can repurpose land and grow different vegetables to help diversify the food production, but is the US government going to buy the different equipment needed to change out crops and do crop rotations?

We going to allow (more like GOP) more central and south Americans to emigrate here legally to help work the fields for the more labor intensive crops that we currently import because the profits are in less labor intensive produce?

Or will we nationalize the farms to make them grow more labor intensive farms that bring in lower profits?

Maybe subsidize them even further?

Because the major reason food costs are so low is because we subsidize farms to an insane amount.


Tomatoes: $1.22 billion, down 3%;

Other vegetables $938.9 million, up 14%;

Peppers: $956.9 million, up 11%;

Cucumbers: $467.7 million, up 9%;

Asparagus: $327.2 million, up 10%;

Squash: $212.6 million, down 28%;

Onions: $221.1 million, up 14%;

Lettuce: $188.2 million, up 19%;

Cauliflower and broccoli: $167.1 million, up 10%;

Potatoes: $127.5 million, down 10%;

Garlic: $100.5 million, down 2%;

Beans: $87.6 million, up 14%;

Carrots: $49.6 million, up 18%;

Cabbage: $34.7 million, up 52%;

Peas: $50 million, up 13%;

Eggplant: $44.48 million, down 6%;

Celery: $42.59 million, up 9%;

Okra: $19.08 million, up 2%;

Radishes: $16.7 million, up 26%; and

Endive: $1.47 million, down 9%.

The vast majority of fresh food that fulfill our dietary needs are imported.

The vast majority of crops the US grows:

-Corn and other feed Grain

-Cotton and Wool

-Fruit and Tree Nuts

-Rice

-Soybean and other oil crops

-sugar and sweetners

-wheat

That sure would sustain us if we were to cut off our largest supplier of fruits and vegetables.

And it sure wouldn't have any sort of impact on our GDP... and how would we go about making privately owned farms grow food to eat when it would make them less profitable?

Are we going to go all Mao and Stalin on farms in the US and tell them what to produce?

Because as it stands 3/4s of agricultural land use in the US produces 2 products: oil and grain production.

And the majority of grain we grow is used for feedstock.

But I guess we can just have the farms grow human consumable grain at lower profit and the US can get the majority of our caloric I take from corn, barley, oats, and sorghum.  It's not like we have an obesity epidemic in our country or anything, let's sustain ourselves on meat, oats, and corn.  That won't have any sort of impact on our health at all.

Who needs other vitamins and minerals from fruits and vegetables?  As the vast majority of fruits consumed in US are grown out of country and Mexico just happens to be the supplier of 77% of those.

But what about vegetables you say?  2/3rds vegetables consumed in US are grown here!

These are the top vegetables that grow in the US and are consumed in the US.

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Mmmm delicious for sure, but not exactly the most nutrient dense food for consumption.

The rest of the vegetables people in the US eat on a daily basis are grown outside the country.

So we can eat: meats and what you see above.

Or we can put it another way:

There are over 895 million acres of agricultural land in the United States, less than 5 million of those are used for vegetables.  The vegetables that we do grow and eat are the least healthy of the vegetables we can eat and the healthy vegetables we do eat are mostly all imported.  The fruits we do eat are mostly all imported.

So sure, we can sustain ourselves and be food "secure" but not healthy and to make ourselves food secure and healthy we'd need to somehow convince privately owned farms to switch to more labor intensive crop, thereby less profitable, crops so we can have a variety of vegetables.  Fruits we'd still habe to import.

but not from mexico!

Yay for eating soybeans, potatoes, corn, and meat only.

I guess we can just take vitamin supplements to offset what we'd be missing by swapping to an all American grown diet....

shiat.  China and India produce the bulk of those.

Thanks Orin Hatch.
 
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